*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

Here is my progress so far. 
 

I’m working today, so I can’t do much. 
 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Here is my progress so far. 
 

I’m working today, so I can’t do much. 
 

 

So, SP124 on P-cores, SP117 overall. What is the E-cores SP rating? What about the MC SP rating?

 

[tps3443]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, SP124 on P-cores, SP117 overall. What is the E-cores SP rating? What about the MC SP rating?

 

Not sure, I’ll ask the owner of the chip. If I had to guess based on the global SP, probably like SP95-SP103 E-Cores. 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I had this KS in my favorite basket a long time (the used market here home). But the $1,125 price tag wasn't very appealing. And I knew Intel would may make an 3rd binning of and make an Raptor lake refresh. But P-SP127 was quite good. If this was on the used market when I bought the 13900K last year I may have jumped on it, but not now so late in the Cpu cycle and close to a final refresh. 

 

 

You need custom cooling.

Custom cooling might  help,  but given the huge core deltas and the fact that the heatsink fit is confirmed to be pretty good, with the coolant being pretty.. cool, my working hypothesis is I need to delid this and possibly lap/replace the IHS first. Rmemeber I don't care about OC. If I can just get stock ratios to run at 100% under 90C I will be very happy.

 

Prior to the degradation I was able to run CB23 at 320-330W.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Not sure, I’ll ask the owner of the chip. If I had to guess based on the global SP, probably like SP95-SP103 E-Cores. 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, SP124 on P-cores, SP117 overall. What is the E-cores SP rating? What about the MC SP rating?

 

(P-sp * 2 + E-sp) / 3 ~= Global SP. So I expect E-SP score is closer to 104.

 

Bro Fox. Each tray cost $25.000 USD. And the benchers have access to at least 10 tray of them or $250.000 USD for the binning to find the Cpu they want for points on the bot. 

 

28 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Custom cooling might  help,  but given the huge core deltas and the fact that the heatsink fit is confirmed to be pretty good, with the coolant being pretty.. cool, my working hypothesis is I need to delid this and possibly lap/replace the battery he IHS first. Rmemeber I don't care about OC. If I can just get stock ratios to run at 100% under 90C I will be very happy.

I only mentioned custom cooling because thats what you need with the Supercool direct-die cold plate🙂 Aka replacment for the Intel IHS. But this cold-plate is not a real IHS replacement as the Rockitcool copper IHS.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

I had this KS in my favorite basket a long time (the used market here home). But the $1,125 price tag wasn't very appealing. And I knew Intel would may make an 3rd binning of and make an Raptor lake refresh. But P-SP127 was quite good. If this was on the used market when I bought the 13900K last year I may have jumped on it, but not now so late in the Cpu cycle and close to a final refresh. 

 

 

Basically this. I'm still riding my original 12900k plus another to play around with from a destroyed system I received (PSU, motherboard, storage and memory were fried from a surge. 3080ti GPU was thankfully saved. CPU survived) and the one in my NH55. I skipped 13900k as for my needs it just didn't offer enough to upgrade but I will probably pick up one of the last RPL refreshes in the fall assuming it is still on Socket 1700 if it can offer a bigger uplift on the P-cores overall. I suspect the IMC will be better too.

 

Or the 7800X3D drops next month and crushes in WoW and FO76 where the 12900k even locked at 5.3 P-cores only is holding back my 4090 even on this 43" 4k Samsung. There's a good chance I will pick up a 7800X3D and motherboard to give it a whirl. I still have these heat sinked DDR5 M-die sticks sitting in my drawer twiddling their thumbs...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

24 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Basically this. I'm still riding my original 12900k plus another to play around with from a destroyed system I received (PSU, motherboard, storage and memory were fried from a surge. 3080ti GPU was thankfully saved. CPU survived) and the one in my NH55. I skipped 13900k as for my needs it just didn't offer enough to upgrade but I will probably pick up one of the last RPL refreshes in the fall assuming it is still on Socket 1700 if it can offer a bigger uplift on the P-cores overall. I suspect the IMC will be better too.

 

Or the 7800X3D drops next month and crushes in WoW and FO76 where the 12900k even locked at 5.3 P-cores only is holding back my 4090 even on this 43" 4k Samsung. There's a good chance I will pick up a 7800X3D and motherboard to give it a whirl. I still have these heat sinked DDR5 M-die sticks sitting in my drawer twiddling their thumbs...

I only bought the 13900K for my hobby. But not needed. My 12900K was a nice sample. But my son enjoy it , so...

 

Be careful with the voltage on the X3D Ryzen chips if you want to thinkering with the chips. They seems quite fragile. And once again a sloopy job done by AMD. They never stop amaze me. Their QC and QM is awful.

 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

(P-sp * 2 + E-sp) / 3 ~= Global SP. So I expect E-SP score is closer to 104.

 

Bro Fox. Each tray cost $25.000 USD. And the benchers have access to at least 10 tray of them or $250.000 USD for the binning to find the Cpu they want for points on the bot. 

 

I only mentioned custom cooling because thats what you need with the Supercool direct-die cold plate🙂 Aka replacment for the Intel IHS. But this cold-plate is not a real IHS replacement as the Rockitcool copper IHS.

 

Understood. Hearing/reading some mixed opinions about direct die cooling, seems tricky to get to work. Anyway, not an option for me for now. Ordered the Rockit kit, goodness knows when it will arrive from the States, but I will be ready, heat gun in hand lol

 

 

[Papusan]

27 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Understood. Hearing/reading some mixed opinions about direct die cooling, seems tricky to get to work. Anyway, not an option for me for now. Ordered the Rockit kit, goodness knows when it will arrive from the States, but I will be ready, heat gun in hand lol

 

 

From what I have seen, there are different opinions about pre-heating before delidding. Have seen people said that the pre-heating can worsen the delidding job. I would do as I normally do. No use of heat. Just let the tool do the job

 

Remeber what I said about the Rockitcool copper IHS size... More info here. And if you can... Use the stock intel lid

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/13900k-delid-results-any-tips-on-dealing-with-a-single-rogue-core™.1804927/

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

From what I have seen, there are different opinions about pre-heating before delidding. Have seen people said that the pre-heating can worsen the delidding job. I would do as I normally do. No use of heat. Just let the tool do the job

 

Remeber what I said about the Rockitcool copper IHS size... More info here. And if you can... Use the stock intel lid

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/13900k-delid-results-any-tips-on-dealing-with-a-single-rogue-core™.1804927/

 

This is nuts. I was just reading the same thread! Basically I am dealing with a variant of this with 3 rogue cores. Pretty good guess it's the cracked solder problem I've found some references to on other threads.

 

If you read through, ultimately he fixed his rogue core issue with the Rockitcool IHS (he lapped it a little on the die side after a prior test LM application). People are also saying the latest iteration is shrunk (a little bit smaller than Intel IHS), but fits the Thermalright contact frame, which would be convenient.

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

I only bought the 13900K for my hobby. But not needed. My 12900K was a nice sample. But my son enjoy it , so...

 

Be careful with the voltage on the X3D Ryzen chips if you want to thinkering with the chips. They seems quite fragile. And once again a sloopy job done by AMD. They never stop amaze me. Their QC and QM is awful.

 

 

I expect AMD to tighten the holes to avoid increased RMA costs. This loophole is nice to use if you want try the silicon lottery for the X3D chips. Well baked AMD. Use it for all it's worth bro @electrosoftif you later want a new X3D chips😎

Ryzen 7000X3D May Be Limited to 1.35V After Der8auer's CPU Catastrophe

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The first nail in the farewell coffin for Intel ARC graphics cards for gamers. Raja Koduri jump the ship. Or better say kicked out by Gelsinger (the best or easiest way without much fuzz/fuss or speculations).

 

Raja Koduri Leaves Intel to Found AI Software Start-UpRaja moves on after five years.

 

Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger announced on Twitter today that Raja Koduri, the company's current Chief Architect, is leaving the company to found a generative AI gaming software startup.

 

Edit.

 

 

 

[Tenoroon]

14 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The first nail in the farewell coffin for Intel graphics cards for gamers. Raja Koduri jump the ship. Or kicked out by Gelsinger (the best way).

 

Raja Koduri Leaves Intel to Found AI Software Start-UpRaja moves on after five years.

 

Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger announced on Twitter today that Raja Koduri, the company's current Chief Architect, is leaving the company to found a generative AI gaming software startup.

 

 

 

That's a shame 😞

I guess I have the unpopular opinion, but I saw potential in Raja. I was kind of rooting for him and Intel when I first heard of the rumors of Intel making GPUs. I see him as a man with a good mind, but bad execution (or just a man who has been played bad cards, I don't really know.)

It's a shame he's switching to AI. I personally despise AI in the current environment. It just sounds like "the next big thing" that's been picked up by just about every corporate entity and stripped down to its most barebones form, a big fat buzzword for marketing. Hopefully AI doesn't go too far down that hellish-hole, but only time will tell. With my current, (and most likely flawed) understanding of AI right now, we need to figure out the bigger picture first before we can dive in and work towards extreme efficiency. I believe the methods for AI we utilize are working okay for right now, but could be a lot better if we re-approached them with a different perspective.

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

Bro Fox. Each tray cost $25.000 USD. And the benchers have access to at least 10 tray of them or $250.000 USD for the binning to find the Cpu they want for points on the bot. 

😠

[Papusan]

58 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

😠

Fanboys is weird. Damn weird😎

 

 

Todays Joke Nr. 1... Realistically, we expect the next $500 GPU to be only slightly faster than the RTX 3070.

 

2nd Joke for the day.... Inno3D GeForce RTX 4070 graphics card to feature one wimpy 8-pin power connector

[tps3443]

So, a little more information. This 13900KS chip belonged to Suzuki and someone bought it from him, then they sent it to me for delid and re-seal. This thing is a monster. Better than my 13900K even. 
 

I ran 5.8P/4.8E/5.1R with 1.195V in the bios and it laughed at me. 😭

[Papusan]

14 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

So, a little more information. This 13900KS chip belonged to Suzuki and someone bought it from him, then they sent it to me for delid and re-seal. This thing is a monster. Better than my 13900K even. 
 

I ran 5.8P/4.8E/5.1R with 1.195V in the bios and it laughed at me. 😭

Same up again as the older 12900KS. The question is how far you can go with it. 

 

"This is exactly the reason why comparing the CPU types based on the SP metric alone is only of limited use"

[tps3443]

17 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Same up again as the older 12900KS. The question is how far you can go with it. 

 

"This is exactly the reason why comparing the CPU types based on the SP metric alone is only of limited use"

5.8P/4.7E/5.1R with 1.150V load 🤯🤯🤯

 

Video.

 

This chip is STRONG. 

 

 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

The first nail in the farewell coffin for Intel ARC graphics cards for gamers. Raja Koduri jump the ship. Or better say kicked out by Gelsinger (the best or easiest way without much fuzz/fuss or speculations).

 

Raja Koduri Leaves Intel to Found AI Software Start-UpRaja moves on after five years.

 

Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger announced on Twitter today that Raja Koduri, the company's current Chief Architect, is leaving the company to found a generative AI gaming software startup.

 

Edit.

 

 

Kicked out or pushed out. That's the same in my world😎

 

AXG is dead, Raja Koduri has been pushed out of Intel, and I have info on further cancellations… Time to put a Fork in ARC?
https://youtu.be/HzV1RS5Oc6I

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Kicked out or pushed out. That's the same in my world😎

 

AXG is dead, Raja Koduri has been pushed out of Intel, and I have info on further cancellations… Time to put a Fork in ARC?
https://youtu.be/HzV1RS5Oc6I

I hope not. Maybe he is just a loser and needed to go for things to progress to a higher level.

[Etern4l]

7 hours ago, tps3443 said:

5.8P/4.7E/5.1R with 1.150V load 🤯🤯🤯

 

Video.

 

This chip is STRONG. 

 

 

 

Crazy. At 1.17V my 13900K runs at 5.2/4.3 lol Have you filmed the deliding by any chance? Would be a cool video.

 

BTW Why don't you set the voltage for the L2 cache?

What's the default ring ratio for the 13900K?

 

  

7 hours ago, Papusan said:

Kicked out or pushed out. That's the same in my world😎

 

  

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I hope not. Maybe he is just a loser and needed to go for things to progress to a higher level.

 

I know you guys love intel and want to defend it, and so do I, but let's be realistic. Just by the very fact that he was Intel's chief architect, he is a pretty smart guy, not a looser. Looking very briefly, he had a vision and tried to push the envelope by expanding/diversifying, which is technically impressive but unfortunately mistimed from the business perspective. Intel's CPU business is at risk and the CEO should have (probably) said 'no'. 

 

They need a reality check on where they are at the moment. In addition, we ought to avoid underestimating the power of the finance people in a corporation, especially in a crunch, and boy are we in a crunch (doesn't apply to bro @Papusan, Norway is raking it in on oil and gas), and tech crunch specifically. In this kind of situation, non-core R&D the guy bet on is the first to suffer cuts, and TBH fair enough. 

 

IMHO they just need to focus pretty much all resources on the CPU business, as this has been declining due to competition from AMD and ARM/RISC.

 

On a personal level, I'm quite disappointed with the engineering quality of their flagship consumer product: failed ILM, failed IHS, failed process/too much heat. All this YT influencer talk about Intel not being able to afford to engineer a robust ILM and IHS, because they do it at scale. LOL, more like they have been cutting corners to fund peripheral research. 

 

They just really need to put in some hardcore work over there, if it's even about hardcore work - could be a TSMC patent thing and they just need to write off their legacy fabs (ouch!) and join the queue at the master chip maker, which would be very bad as obviously TSMC needs competition.

 

Good luck dear Intel, you will need it.

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, Etern4l said:

Good luck dear Intel, you will need it.

I don't get to see a business or Enterprise side of CPU world and cannot speak intelligently on that subject. The PC tech industry on the consumer side of things is a mess for sure.

 

On the consumer side there's no legit competition for Intel and NVIDIA unless you are married to the idea of pretending things are good for AMD because hating Intel and NVIDIA makes you extra happy. AMD brings nothing special or good to the table as far as I'm concerned. The flaws we see with the 13900K are little more than annoying compared to the alternative option. It remains the better option by all measurements. It seems you have one of the worse examples. That would be upsetting to me, too. However, I can honestly say that every new Intel CPU I have owned has been better than the generation before it, and that has been true nearly 100% of the time, with Haswell being an exception and a nasty hiccup for Intel.

 

The thing I hate most about my 13900K and KF is that someone I know (like Brother @tps3443 for example) has a better sample than mine. I hated the same thing about my 12th Gen and 10th Gen processors. That sucks only because my primary focus is overclocking. Owning average silicon samples would be a non-issue if my focus was gaming or productivity. Other than the bad luck of being an overclocker stuck with an average silicon sample, I struggle to find something legitimate to complain about other than everything is overpriced and QC for the industry as a whole is at an unprecedented level of horrible.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't get to see a business or Enterprise side of CPU world and cannot speak intelligently on that subject. The PC tech industry on the consumer side of things is a mess for sure.

 

On the consumer side there's no legit competition for Intel and NVIDIA unless you are married to the idea of pretending things are good for AMD because hating Intel and NVIDIA makes you extra happy. AMD brings nothing special or good to the table as far as I'm concerned. The flaws we see with the 13900K are little more than annoying compared to the alternative option. It remains the better option by all measurements. It seems you have one of the worse examples. That would be upsetting to me, too. However, I can honestly say that every new Intel CPU I have owned has been better than the generation before it, and that has been true nearly 100% of the time, with Haswell being an exception and a nasty hiccup for Intel.

 

The thing I hate most about my 13900K and KF is that someone I know (like Brother @tps3443 for example) has a better sample than mine. I hated the same thing about my 12th Gen and 10th Gen processors. That sucks primarily because my primary focus is overclocking. Owning average silicon samples would be a non-issue if my focus was gaming or productivity. Other than the bad luck of being an overclocker stuck with an average silicon sample, I struggle to find something legitimate to complain about other than everything is overpriced and QC for the industry as a whole is at an unprecedently level of horrible.

These recent Intel chips are beastly, and refresh is gonna be interesting as well! Bad sample or good they are still really great. Especially for the money. But yeah I will usually buy what’s fast or makes sense. 4090 is super fast, but it doesn’t make sense lol.
 

I wish this 13900KS was mine though, then I’d let you get my really really good 13900K. Either of these chips are just threw the roof amazing examples of 13th gen Intel. 
 

I’m with you though on silicon quality, I wish I didn’t care about it. But since that 11900K I got from you, I’ve made it a necessity to have a good chip. It’s really fun, and it’s nice have something that overclocks really well with low temps and efficiency so easily compared to others. But, to be honest if I could go back and not care about chip quality I’d do that in a minute.

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The Intel chips are beastly, and refresh is gonna be interesting as well! Bad sample or good. Especially for the money. But yeah I will usually buy what’s fast or makes sense. 4090 is super fast, but it doesn’t make sense lol.
 

I wish this 13900KS was mine though, then I’d let you get my really really good 13900K. Either of these chips are just threw the roof amazing examples of 13th gen Intel. 

What is not known is whether the 13900KS you have in you possession right now is an extra special freak sample like your 13900K or close to average. I am tired of paying retail for average. Not because average is bad, but because average isn't good enough to serve the purpose for me buying the CPU. My luck is such that I usually end up with something average, and that is disappointing to me since what I enjoy doing requires something better than average to do it well enough to be pleasing to me.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

What is not known is whether the 13900KS you have in you possession right now is an extra special freak sample like your 13900K or close to average. I am tired of paying retail for average. Not because average is bad, but because average isn't good enough to serve the purpose for me buying the CPU. My luck is such that I usually end up with something average, and that is disappointing to me since what I enjoy doing requires something better than average to do it well enough to be pleasing to me.

This chip is absolutely killer for sure. 
 

It does 6.0P/4.7E/5.2R with 1.250V in bios easily. Maybe can do less than that. 

[electrosoft]

Nice take on cheaper vs more expensive 4090s: