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[electrosoft]

Someone accusing Iunlock for scamming him out of $6k:

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/scam-alert-iunlock-liquidhz-liquidhz-studios.1805107/

 

[Papusan]

14 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Someone accusing Iunlock for scamming him out of $6k:

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/scam-alert-iunlock-liquidhz-liquidhz-studios.1805107/

 

Not the first time. 3 or 4 cases popped up in my PM box in older NBR forum. And it's real. A few was on the hook to take him (Mobius and a few others was after iunlock), but I never got more info.He even skammed Dell and ebay. I was in contact with the screwed ones and they was crying in sadness. They was also very afraid to talk about it and about iunlock in the NBR forum and threads. Remember iunlock was the so called TRIPOD fix King on NBR. And in the later time he only come back to NBR forum for fishing after new customers Hi could screw/scam. 

 

A very nasty business...

 

And when the TRIPOD fixes failed and they have paid.... He avoided talk with them. Hi had already taken their money....

 

This was when the TRIPOD mess was as worst with the Alienwares. He sold so called fixed "new" and even used machines.  Some of the machines Hi sold was never paid for. And we all know how that went. The buyers was screwed with no working laptops and without warranty. Damn sad case.

[Raiderman]

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Not the first time. 3 or 4 cases popped up in my PM box in older NBR forum. And it's real. A few was on the hook to take him (Mobius and a few others was after iunlock), but I never got more info.He even skammed Dell and ebay. I was in contact with the screwed ones and they was crying in sadness. They was also very afraid to talk about it and about iunlock in the NBR forum and threads. Remeber iunlock was the so called TRIPOD fix king on NBR. And in the later time he only come back to NBR forum for fishing after new customers Hi could screw. 

 

 

A very nasty business...

 

And when the TRIPOD fixes failed and they have paid.... He avoided talk with them. Hi had already taken their money....

 

This was when the TRIPOD mess was as worst with the Alienwares. He sold so called fixed "new" and even used machines.  Some of the machines Hi sold was never paid for. And we all know how that went. The buyers was screwed with no working laptops and without warranty. Damn sad case.

Oh, that's not good. I did not know about any of this. You can't treat people this way and expect to last very long in the community. I am always leary of those that like to change their username. I've had the same username for 20 years.

[Reciever]

Same person posted here as well I gather

 

 

I didnt know he was doing system integration work

[Mr. Fox]

31 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Oh, that's not good. I did not know about any of this. You can't treat people this way and expect to last very long in the community. I am always leary of those that like to change their username. I've had the same username for 20 years.

I do not think he changed user name. Mobius was a different person that was upset and "after him" as in "pursuing" in a bad way.

[Rage Set]

This is crazy. Unfortunately, and I hope I am wrong, getting actual justice on fraudulent peer to peer transactions online is difficult and time consuming. As some of you may know, I am a very giving person. That has gotten me scammed multiple times and outside of showing up at the scammers door, there wasn't much I could do. The payment processors always took the "buyers" side and ignored all of my evidence. I never let it change who I am but I am a bit more careful now. 

 

Again, I hope he does get justice and a real resolution but seeing how much time he had stated has pass, it is going to be a rough road ahead. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

This is crazy. Unfortunately, and I hope I am wrong, getting actual justice on fraudulent peer to peer transactions online is difficult and time consuming. As some of you may know, I am a very giving person. That has gotten me scammed multiple times and outside of showing up at the scammers door, there wasn't much I could do. The payment processors always took the "buyers" side and ignored all of my evidence. I never let it change who I am but I am a bit more careful now. 

 

Again, I hope he does get justice and a real resolution but seeing how much time he had stated has pass, it is going to be a rough road ahead. 

I know exactly what you are talking about. As a very giving, and forgiving person, I am sometimes taken advantage of by shady characters. Some of them belong in prison or something worse than that. That is not due to lack of wisdom as much as some very dishonest people are very good at being deceptive and dishonest. They are professional thieves and some are career criminals. Unless you have a crystal ball or simply treat all people as if they are dishonest and unworthy of your trust or respect, guilty until proven innocent, it is going to happen once in a while in spite of diligence and prudence.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

This is crazy. Unfortunately, and I hope I am wrong, getting actual justice on fraudulent peer to peer transactions online is difficult and time consuming. As some of you may know, I am a very giving person. That has gotten me scammed multiple times and outside of showing up at the scammers door, there wasn't much I could do. The payment processors always took the "buyers" side and ignored all of my evidence. I never let it change who I am but I am a bit more careful now. 

 

Again, I hope he does get justice and a real resolution but seeing how much time he had stated has pass, it is going to be a rough road ahead. 

 

This is my approach.

 

I've been scammed before or taken advantage of even by "friends" and family. First time I was scammed (to date myself) was someone wanted to swap a I had 20MB HD for their 9.6k modem. Cross shipped mine and never got theirs. Last one was a FnF to a "friend" in Australia for a couple of old CPUs to upgrade some Think Servers. I don't get people sometimes. Some were rectified, others not so much. But in the end it is just paper and I've been given what I think is a pretty blessed life overall and I'm thankful for where I am so I can shrug it off most times as the cost of doing business.

 

I've had this same name for almost 25yrs now since my ebay account creation (July 1998). I routinely tell people I'm not hard to find. 🙂

 

 

[Rengsey R. H. Jr.]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Someone accusing Iunlock for scamming him out of $6k:

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/scam-alert-iunlock-liquidhz-liquidhz-studios.1805107/

 

Someone accused him during our NBR Era too. De ja vu. Lol 

[Etern4l]

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

What about a reservoir and pump combo designed to fit into a 5.25 inch drive bay? These use a standard D5 pump.

 

https://modmymods.com/reservoirs/bay-reservoirs.html

 

This one even includes the pump. Price is actually really good... $87 USD.

 

https://modmymods.com/alphacool-eisfach-single-laing-d5-incl-alphacool-eispumpe-vpp755-dual-5-25-bay-station-reservoir-13304.html

 

 

Pretty cool, thanks bro. The thing though is that to fully leverage this, would need some additional/external rads anyway. The D5 pump is great though. 4500rpm.

 

At the moment battling new I/O-related  instability. Standars benchmarks are fine, temps are fine, however, heavy I/O results in the SSD disappearing from the system. Could be the paste, could be the contact frame (it's a tight fit this time), or could be that I damaged the CPU. Will know soon. 

[Reciever]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know exactly what you are talking about. As a very giving, and forgiving person, I am sometimes taken advantage of by shady characters. Some of them belong in prison or something worse than that. That is not due to lack of wisdom as much as some very dishonest people are very good at being deceptive and dishonest. They are professional thieves and some are career criminals. Unless you have a crystal ball or simply treat all people as if they are dishonest and unworthy of your trust or respect, guilty until proven innocent, it is going to happen once in a while in spite of diligence and prudence.

I believe iunlock is still a part of the Prema HWBOT team. Perhaps that may need reconsideration?

 

 

[johnksss]

6 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I believe iunlock is still a part of the Prema HWBOT team. Perhaps that may need reconsideration?

 

 

Not any more.

[Reciever]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Not any more.

 

I really dislike steering things into that genre of discussion but when part of a group you have to consider your actions and how that may reflect. Tough needle for me to thread. 

 

If he gets everything sorted I'd imagine he may be welcome again, but that's hypothetical and dependent on circumstances. 

[Rage Set]

5 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Pretty cool, thanks bro. The thing though is that to fully leverage this, would need some additional/external rads anyway. The D5 pump is great though. 4500rpm.

 

At the moment battling new I/O-related  instability. Standars benchmarks are fine, temps are fine, however, heavy I/O results in the SSD disappearing from the system. Could be the paste, could be the contact frame (it's a tight fit this time), or could be that I damaged the CPU. Will know soon. 

 

Now that is new. I have troubleshot aplenty of server/desktop CPUs with missing DRAM banks, but not an SSD disappearing during I/O due to heat expansion with the CPU. Is the SSD connected directly to the CPU or through the chipset?

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Pretty cool, thanks bro. The thing though is that to fully leverage this, would need some additional/external rads anyway. The D5 pump is great though. 4500rpm.

 

At the moment battling new I/O-related  instability. Standars benchmarks are fine, temps are fine, however, heavy I/O results in the SSD disappearing from the system. Could be the paste, could be the contact frame (it's a tight fit this time), or could be that I damaged the CPU. Will know soon. 

Does it only affect I/O involving the drive(s) that are disappearing?

30 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

Now that is new. I have troubleshot aplenty of server/desktop CPUs with missing DRAM banks, but not an SSD disappearing during I/O due to heat expansion with the CPU. Is the SSD connected directly to the CPU or through the chipset?

I was about to say that did not sound right to me either. Especially not if the SSD is SATA or PCH connected. It is very unlikely the CPU is damaged or there would be other more significant signs. I would be leaning more toward the issue being something wrong with the operating system (or buggy storage driver) and the most likely culprit being actual drive itself having issues.

  

On 3/24/2023 at 6:34 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Update on the MSO text issue. That Micro$lop thread is getting a lot of attention.

 

This is a known issue that is now popping up frequently on the AMD support forums (a couple examples below).  There doesn't seem to be a fix yet, but with AMD catching a lot of crap for it, one will probably be coming soon.

 

Text Issues with the Latest Drivers - AMD Community

 

Outlook365 Problems - AMD Community

On 3/24/2023 at 8:04 PM, Mr. Fox said:

OK, so I went to Micro$lop Catalog and download the October driver. Ran DDU to clean up the leftovers and extracted the cab file. I right-clicked on the INF to install the driver, then opened the subfolder and manually installed CCC. The text rendering problem is about 98% fixed now and very tolerable. Typing in Word or Outlook I have seen about once every 15 seconds of non-stop typing there will be maybe a one second delay in a character that I type appearing on the screen, but I am happy to report that no more artifacts and no disappearing and randomly transposed text, etc. A slow typist would probably not even notice what I see a tiny bit now.  If this holds true over the next couple of days, some very  fortunate person will have an opportunity to buy a 3090 Kingpin for a very good price. Crossing my fingers because I don't like swappping out parts for benching and would like to avoid that.

Well, dog-gonnit, that sure didn't last long. The problem returned with a fury today. Trying to work and responding to emails between meetings became quite difficult because of disappearing text and artifacts/gibberish while typing. I confirmed the driver did not get a cancer update from the Redmond Reprobates. Same driver that helped 4 days ago is working as crummy as the latest. Very goofy. Several days of totally normal behavior, then suddenly the problem returns. 

 

One thing that I did observe immediately prior to the problem returning, and probably related, is that all of my desktop icons became black squares. I fixed that by deleting the files in the icon cache and restarting Windows Explorer.  All of the icons immediately returned to normal, but the old issue returned. Weird.

 

I've going to try doing a clean re-install of the AMD display driver to see if that re-fixes this font rendering glitch. Or, maybe I will try an even older driver based on this person's comments. I am on 22.20.27.07.

 

[Talon]

 

This chip is terrible. Frame Chasers was right. As much as the guy can be abrasive, many times he is right. Nobody is paying him off, he buys his own hardware (mostly funded by his "consults"). 

[Rage Set]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, dog-gonnit, that sure didn't last long. The problem returned with a fury today. Trying to work and responding to emails between meetings became quite difficult because of disappearing text and artifacts/gibberish while typing. I confirmed the driver did not get a cancer update from the Redmond Reprobates. Same driver that helped 4 days ago is working as crummy as the latest. Very goofy. Several days of totally normal behavior, then suddenly the problem returns. 

 

One thing that I did observe immediately prior to the problem returning, and probably related, is that all of my desktop icons became black squares. I fixed that by deleting the files in the icon cache and restarting Windows Explorer.  All of the icons immediately returned to normal, but the old issue returned. Weird.

 

I've going to try doing a clean re-install of the AMD display driver to see if that re-fixes this font rendering glitch.

 

You're going to make me want to join you on this hunt and install Office on my all AMD rig. It is strange that it only affects MS Office. You don't have AMD Anti-Lag enabled or the AMD sharpening (forgot the name of it). 

 

One thing I learned with having AMD GPU's for the past several years, they are very picky with it comes to cables. While my 3090's are more forgiving with it comes to PC monitors, my 6800 XT barks at any lower grade HDMI 2.1/DP 1.4a cables over two feet. 

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

You're going to make me want to join you on this hunt and install Office on my all AMD rig. It is strange that it only affects MS Office. You don't have AMD Anti-Lag enabled or the AMD sharpening (forgot the name of it). 

 

One thing I learned with having AMD GPU's for the past several years, they are very picky with it comes to cables. While my 3090's are more forgiving with it comes to PC monitors, my 6800 XT barks at any lower grade HDMI 2.1/DP 1.4a cables over two feet. 

No, as a matter of fact, I disable all "features" with AMD and NVIDIA because they offer me nothing of value and generally hurt benchmark scores. Everything I can find to disable is disabled. I just downgraded to their June 2022 driver (was on October 2022) and if that does not fix the problem, I may nuke everything with DDU, reinstall and omit CCC/Adrenaline all together and just install using the INF for barebones. The OS where this matters is the one I use for work and I do not need to adjust anything  the control panel makes function. All I need is display output with no nonsense.

 

I do not remember which GPU, I think the 2080 Ti, had lots of weird bugs with cheap DP cables and I had to buy expensive 8K high bandwidth CableMatters DP cables for my triple display setup. That fixed the problems I was having back then. I cannot use a 24-inch or shorter cable because it is not long enough to reach the monitor the furthest away from the GPU. I need at least 4 or 5 feet long.

[Rage Set]

11 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

This chip is terrible. Frame Chasers was right. As much as the guy can be abrasive, many times he is right. Nobody is paying him off, he buys his own hardware (mostly funded by his "consults"). 

 

AMD shot themselves in the foot by listening to "customers" that wanted a 16 and 12 core X3D variant. I am not sure what Lisa was thinking outside of some early adopter money? They are gimped 16/12 processors that don't do gaming or productivity as well as the Non-X/X CPUs.

 

The true king of gaming is going to be the 7800X3D and Intel won't have a competitor at its price point. AMD knows most of the X3D's potential customer demographic are going to wait for the 7800X3D but they got some people to bite on the "higher end" X3D parts. 

[Etern4l]

@Rage Set @Mr. Fox I'm not sure if that's the root cause for sure, since I don't have the LGA1700 pin map, but upon repasting and reinstalling the CPU as a sanity check, I started getting code 55 RAM not installed, which seems to be a telltale sign of a socket contact issue. Cleanup of the CPU with acetone didn't help, and then I looked closely at the socket itself and spotted a bent pin, then proceeded to develop a new valuable Intel enthusiast skill involving a magnifying glass and a needle lol. It's nuts when you look at how tiny those pins are, but it seems I may have figured out how to fix this.

 

I'm not sure when and why this problem developed, you kind of have to look closely at the right area to spot it, but if the board survives I will sure be more gentle with the contact frame, and take extra care to centre the CPU (of course, Intel couldn't have possibly designed the socket so there is less play!). Kind of regret installing the contact frame in the first place, and if I need to treat myself to a replacement board, I won't do it again. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

@Rage Set @Mr. Fox I'm not sure if that's the root cause for sure, since I don't have the LGA1700 pin map, but upon repasting and reinstalling the CPU as a sanity chmeck, I started getting code 55 RAM not installed, which seems to be a telltale sign of a socket contact issue. Cleanup with acetone didn't help, and then I looked closely and spotted a bent pin, then proceeded to develop a new valuable Intel enthusiast skill involving a magnifying glass and a needle lol. It's nuts when you look at how tiny those pins are, but it seems I may have figured out how to fix this.

 

I'm not sure when and why this problem developed, you kind of have to look closely in the right area to spot it, but if the board survives I will sure be more gentle with the contact frame, and take extra care to centre the CPU (of course, Intel couldn't have possibly designed the socket so there is less play!). Kind of regret installing the contact frame in the first place, and if I need to treat myself to a replacement board, I won't do it again. 

Don't cinch down the screws with the contact frame. It doesn't need to be tight. I've had to straighten bent CPU socket pins before. Both times were on the same motherboard and I could not identify a reason for the pins getting bent. This was on 10th Gen and no CPU frame. I think what happens is sometimes the pins can randomly not compress at exactly the same rate and may collide with one another while battening down the hatches. The speed at which the ILM arm is lowered (if too fast) might contribute to it happening.

 

The bent pins can be hard to spot and only visible with light shining at an angle to help you see a difference in reflection. In the example I mentioned above, both times the bent pin was on the outer edge row, which might also have been caused by setting the CPU into the socket starting from an edge and "hinging" it down into place rather that setting it into the socket flat. I never had the problem before and never after. Being on the outer edge made the bent pin even harder to identify, There was less to contrast the light reflection against since it was not surrounded by other pins, but being on the outer edge row made it super easy to correct, pushing it back into alignment using a sewing needle. I did not have to worry about disturbing pins surrounding it on four sides.

[Talon]

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

The true king of gaming is going to be the 7800X3D and Intel won't have a competitor at its price point.

 

This I agree with. The 7800X3D will be a great fire and forget CPU like the 5800X3D. The "16" core part is trying to do too much and ends up sorta being a jack of no trades. 

 

But price wise I don't totally agree. A $449 8 core part that will have margin of error gaming performance benefit over a tuned 13900K isn't exactly a slam dunk. You can grab a 13900K for $560 right now. While it is certainly more expensive, the 13900K comes with almost double the multicore performance. 

 

So $110 difference for almost identical gaming perf and DOUBLE multicore. 

 

Still if all you want to do is game, you can grab the 7800X3D, pair it with some 6000 CL30 XMP DDR5, set it and forget it. That on the cheapest B series board you can get lol. For some this is all that will matter and it will sell like crazy IMO. 

[Papusan]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5238013_papusan_3dmark11___entry_geforce_gtx_980_38014_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5238012_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_980_24915_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5238011_papusan_3dmark11___extreme_geforce_gtx_980_8971_marks

[ssj92]

Question on RAM...

 

Will DDR5 5600Mhz CL40 make a nice difference over 4800Mhz CL40 on 13th gen?

 

Looking at timespy/fire strike cpu score, cinebench r23, etc. 

 

I mean I already ordered the RAM LOL just was curious 

 

 

BTW how is everyone getting windows 7 working on 13th gen? Is it just turning on CSM? I would assume drivers aren't easily available. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, ssj92 said:

Question on RAM...

 

Will DDR5 5600Mhz CL40 make a nice difference over 4800Mhz CL40 on 13th gen?

 

Looking at timespy/fire strike cpu score, cinebench r23, etc. 

 

I mean I already ordered the RAM LOL just was curious 

It should as long as the latency doesn't get extra sloppy. Are these SO-DIMM modules in a laptop without an opportunity for memory tuning? If so, no idea how it might turn out, or if you can do anything to improve the outcome.