*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

That’s awesome. Much better cpu that KS is. Once they are all delidded and on direct die, no matter the SP they all are in a similar range with one another.
 

I would push the ring and see where it goes. Some odd ball KS can run 5.4 ring perfectly fine. Several of my 13900K could do 5.3 ring even. May as well max it out lol. 
 

My KS can only run 5.1 tops stable. But yours can probably go 5.2 or even 5.3.

Maybe it is only an odd coincidence... Don't know since this is the only 13900KS sample I have seen, but it seemed like the rubberized adhesive and solder were much thinner and a lot easier to remove on this one. The delid itself was easier (required what seemed like less force) and the cleaning and prep seemed easier.

[cylix]

😂😂

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-drops-e20-below-msrp-in-germany-just-four-hours-after-launch

[electrosoft]

20 minutes ago, cylix said:

😂😂

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-drops-e20-below-msrp-in-germany-just-four-hours-after-launch

 

😁🤣

 

I don't know what Nvidia and to a lesser extent AMD were expecting....

 

For the average gamer who at least even somewhat keeps up on market conditions and does a smidge of comparative performance analysis, they know this is garbage offerings from both companies. Nvidia just smells a bit more.

 

AMD at least changed course right at launch and lowered the price of the RX 7600. 7900xt and 7900xtx have all come down in price plus a free TLOU game code (even the RX 7600!).

 

Some 4080's are down to 1099 AND free Diablo IV ($70 value). Free game offer extends to the 4070 but not the 4060ti (boo!)

 

Of course where able (IE unverified purchasers) it is getting review bombed everywhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Papusan said:

I wonder what cable/adapter was used. But posted on CableMod/reddit. What is a day without new black screens due the 12VHPWR 🙂 It was the CableMod E-series 12VHPWR cable.

 

 

12vhpwr adapter just broke my 4080 Suprim.

 

A couple of days before and he talked about 8 adapters. Suddenly 20 failures, Hmmm

 

I wonder how many they are with the real numbers.

 

Here is another one. But this one have nice and equally round bubbles, and fully molded/welded to the GPU connector. How many have nice plastic bubbles in their PC box they don't know about yet? Yep.... CableMod say they use plastic is of high quality. Can whitstand 110C bro @electrosoft You know the drilll.... Why pay extra if you don't get much in return. Thats wasted money. And pretty or aesthetics cable management will never replace piece of mind. Just stay with the PSU manufacurers native 12VHPWR cables. Mostly cheaper than the custom adapters/cables from well known vendors. Seasonics have even started offer 90 degrees adapters.

 

Bling bling and pretty aesthetics often goes hand in hand. I can easly live without it😎

 

I was going to check for melting issues...

 

 

 

 

Maybe all the custom adapters should come with a a free box for fire fighting? Even Nvidia and their AIC partners could offer it for their expensive 4090s😆 Just put on their logo for promoting their brand.

 

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Greed and cost cutting comes with some sideeffects....... 🙂

And nice to see Nvidia won't get it the way they hoped for. Greed comes with some sideeffects. 

 

Just one person showed up to buy an RTX 4060 Ti for its late night Akihabara launch

 

Two stores opened late in Japan's

Akihabara district for the event, but it's become painfully clear they wasted their money.

 

Not sure if the seller or the buyer feels he are alone in the universe🙂

 

[Etern4l]

You know it's really bad when you get 2 stars from PCWorld lol
 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (8GB) review: Disappointing for $400

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

You know it's really bad when you get 2 stars from PCWorld lol
 

Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (8GB) review: Disappointing for $400

Fantastic. Not everyday Pcworlds editors shine like this. Lost generation, LOOL

 

And he was spot on when he didn't put 4090 into this Hall Of Shame.

 

Just lovely......

 

 

New one out. The praised 90 degree adapter is on the way kill/reduce CableMods reputation. They mostly also damage the GPU side connector in same fire. Not enough replace the melted adapter. You also need RMA the card itself.  Bro @electrosoft maybe use one of the small thermocouples with flat edge/end (come with MB and some chassis) and tape it on the 12VHPWR connector with kapton tape. Then monitor the temp with alarm. 

Melted STRIX RTX 4090 180 adapter

[Mr. Fox]

I think some people might be getting mixed messaging about the black screen issues that some of NVIDIA's newest drivers and DWM.exe are causing and thinking their cable is burning. Some of the latest and greatest DCH filth drivers can cause users to experience random black screen issues.

[Custom90gt]

Wondering what everyone's opinion would be here. I currently have my desktop and I've been thinking about selling it as a whole built thing (because of the water cooling and what not) just so I can try something new. I'd been thinking about building a mini-itx system mainly because I want a new smaller standing desk.  If I go this route I'd love to pick up a 4090 but that's not in the cards until I graduate from residency in a year. I can get a 3080ti for ~600 or a 3090 for ~700 and those sound like attractive routes to go.  Anyone have any thoughts about a "temporary" video card for my 3840x1600 resolution gaming monitor? 

 

 

Thoughts for the build:

Dan Case C4-SFX

Z790 itx motherboard

13700k

Ram (will need help selecting some reasonable sticks, or may keep my OLOY since I know they are decent)

3090/3080ti/???

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

I can get a 3080ti for ~600 or a 3090 for ~700 and those sound like attractive routes to go.  Anyone have any thoughts about a "temporary" video card for my 3840x1600 resolution gaming monitor? 

I would recommend going with a good 3090. You might find you have no compelling reason or need to upgrade. It will also be easier to sell if you decide to sell it later. I would recommend not going with a 3090 Ti because they use the 12VHPWR connector.

 

5 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

Thoughts for the build:

Dan Case C4-SFX - no idea/opinion based on form factor

Z790 itx motherboard - no idea/opinion based on form factor

13700k - I'd recommend 13900K/KF or used KS

Ram - one of the new 48GB A-die kits, 7200 or higher

3090/3080ti/??? - see above

See in-line comments inside of quote

[Custom90gt]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

I would recommend going with a good 3090. You might find you have no compelling reason or need to upgrade. It will also be easier to sell if you decide to sell it later. I would recommend not going with a 3090 Ti because they use the 12VHPWR connector.

 

See in-line comments inside of quote

 

Think it's worth the extra $100 for a 3090 over the 3080ti?  Also does the 3080ti use the stupid nvidiot connector?

Ram wise, I'd love to keep it to a reasonable price, unfortunately the reason I can't swing a 13900k either. I feel like I'd rather stay with the upper end but upgrade every new gen.

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

Think it's worth the extra $100 for a 3090 over the 3080ti? 

Yes... more powerful, more VRAM, easier to resell and holds its value better.

Might not "need" an upgrade to 4090 if the 3090 ticks all of your boxes.

4 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

Also does the 3080ti use the stupid nvidiot connector?

I'm not sure. Not that I am aware of, but I have never paid any attention to 3080/3080 Ti options.

[Papusan]

37 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

 

Think it's worth the extra $100 for a 3090 over the 3080ti?  Also does the 3080ti use the stupid nvidiot connector?

Ram wise, I'd love to keep it to a reasonable price, unfortunately the reason I can't swing a 13900k either. I feel like I'd rather stay with the upper end but upgrade every new gen.

Maybe go for the 3090. Nvidia will rather produce the better chips for AI than more of the 4090's. They prefer that people rather walk with the cut down 70% overpriced 4080'sor the more castrated 4070's. If this is correct then don't expect huge discounts on 4090's.

 

More fun for you and I don't think you'll loose more money vs 3080 Ti if you resale it later in the used market. The bigger 24GB vram buffer will still have it's value. 

The AI chip boom is propelling Nvidia to new heights, gamers be damned

This partly explains why Nvidia has moved some production of GeForce RTX 4090 GPUs to make more Hopper-based H100 enterprise GPUs.

 

To put things into perspective, the RTX 4090 sells for around $1,600, while used H100 cards sell for over $40,000 on eBay. 

 

40 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I would recommend going with a good 3090. You might find you have no compelling reason or need to upgrade. It will also be easier to sell if you decide to sell it later. I would recommend not going with a 3090 Ti because they use the 12VHPWR connector.

 

 

 

[Custom90gt]

Any thoughts on the 3090FE vs something like an EVGA XC3?

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Custom90gt said:

Wondering what everyone's opinion would be here. I currently have my desktop and I've been thinking about selling it as a whole built thing (because of the water cooling and what not) just so I can try something new. I'd been thinking about building a mini-itx system mainly because I want a new smaller standing desk.  If I go this route I'd love to pick up a 4090 but that's not in the cards until I graduate from residency in a year. I can get a 3080ti for ~600 or a 3090 for ~700 and those sound like attractive routes to go.  Anyone have any thoughts about a "temporary" video card for my 3840x1600 resolution gaming monitor? 

 

 

Thoughts for the build:

Dan Case C4-SFX

Z790 itx motherboard

13700k

Ram (will need help selecting some reasonable sticks, or may keep my OLOY since I know they are decent)

3090/3080ti/???

 

3090 is the best bet if only for the 24GB.

Dan C4 works with a lot of GPUs but really shines with Founders Editions so you could target a 3090 Founders. It can even accommodate 4000 series.

13700k is the best way to get a better 12900k (which you are already using)

2-slot Z790 itx = much better DDR5 performance. You will most likely be able to hit 7200+ depending on sticks.

 

 

 

 

[Tenoroon]

On the topic of new builds, does anyone have any unused D4 sticks? I'm going to help my brother build a budget SFF desktop to replace his terrible MSI GF65 that despite all measures taken, won't stop boiling... 

My goal is a cheap B660 board that doesn't entirely suck, an i3 12100f, some decent D4 sticks, my EVGA 750w PSU that I don't use very often and a used RX 6600 all inside of a SAMA IM01. While the i3 might be a bit weaker than his 10750h on paper, that thing is always at 100C and throttling to all hell. I think any high clocking quadcore would smother it in benchmarks and perform a bit better in games.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Tenoroon said:

On the topic of new builds, does anyone have any unused D4 sticks? I'm going to help my brother build a budget SFF desktop to replace his terrible MSI GF65 that despite all measures taken, won't stop boiling... 

My goal is a cheap B660 board that doesn't entirely suck, an i3 12100f, some decent D4 sticks, my EVGA 750w PSU that I don't use very often and a used RX 6600 all inside of a SAMA IM01. While the i3 might be a bit weaker than his 10750h on paper, that thing is always at 100C and throttling to all hell. I think any high clocking quadcore would smother it in benchmarks and perform a bit better in games.

 

D4 sticks are pretty cheap now just depends on what speed and capacity you seek.

 

 

[Etern4l]

3 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

Any thoughts on the 3090FE vs something like an EVGA XC3?

 

Based on my experience with the 3090Ti FE, 3090 FE is slimmer (<3 slot, 2.7 or so) than most gaming cards and has workstation-like blower-type design, so might work better in a space-constrained case. Temps are good.

If you can grab a 3090 Ti at a good price then go ahead as well. IMHO no worries about the 12VHPWR connector if you stick to the original adapter (not great for a small case though due to the clutter) or use a native 12VHPWR cable for your PSU.

[Raiderman]

2 hours ago, Tenoroon said:

On the topic of new builds, does anyone have any unused D4 sticks? I'm going to help my brother build a budget SFF desktop to replace his terrible MSI GF65 that despite all measures taken, won't stop boiling... 

My goal is a cheap B660 board that doesn't entirely suck, an i3 12100f, some decent D4 sticks, my EVGA 750w PSU that I don't use very often and a used RX 6600 all inside of a SAMA IM01. While the i3 might be a bit weaker than his 10750h on paper, that thing is always at 100C and throttling to all hell. I think any high clocking quadcore would smother it in benchmarks and perform a bit better in games.

I have a 6800XT sitting around in an anti static bag! I also have a Ryzen 3900x 12 core

[Papusan]

33 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Based on my experience with the 3090Ti FE, 3090 FE is slimmer (<3 slot, 2.7 or so) than most gaming cards and has workstation-like blower-type design, so might work better in a space-constrained case. Temps are good.

If you can grab a 3090 Ti at a good price then go ahead as well. IMHO no worries about the 12VHPWR connector if you stick to the original adapter (not great for a small case though due to the clutter) or use a native 12VHPWR cable for your PSU.

Yep, can't see the 12VHPWR connector is major problem for the 3000 series flagshisp. If he find a similar priced  3090Ti as 3090 I would jump on that (depending on the model of the card of course). Getting all vram under same heatsink is nice to have if you don't bother or have the time tear down the 3090 to replace the bottom vram pads with better pads. But you probably don't know the vram temps before you use the card. Nvidia solved the high bottom vram temps with the Ti card.

 

What I don't like with the older FE models is the locked down board power. Maybe not a problem for everyone but this type of limitations doesn't fits me. 

[tps3443]

Seeing all of these new and crazy expensive slower GPU’s is really why I have been happy with my 3090KP for so long. I’ve had it for almost 2 years now. I have never kept a GPU this long in my LIFE!! I usually dump them after 3-6 months. But what can I say? It’s been fast! Nvidia released some optimized drivers that improved performance in a lot of titles. And when you feed it 650 watts in games, all backed by a 13900KS and DDR5 8600 It’s really really quick in 1440P haha. Hard to believe people can pick these up for $600 ish throw a waterblock on, flash bios and gain another 18-20% in performance. That’s a bargain. Especially with DLSS and all.

 

Once I do upgrade my GPU, it will be exciting! Because I am bored to death with this thing 😂. 

 

This 3090 Kingpin Hydro Copper has sat on top of numerous builds. 
 

7980XE+X299 Dark 3090KP

10900K+Z490 Dark KP 3090KP

10850K+Z490 Dark KP 3090KP

11900K+Z590 Dark 3090KP

13900K+Z690 Unify-X 3090KP

13900KS+Z690 Apex 3090KP

13900KS+Z790 Apex 3090KP

 

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[Mr. Fox]

55 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, can't see the 12VHPWR connector is major problem for the 3000 series flagshisp. If he find a similar priced  3090Ti as 3090 I would jump on that (depending on the model of the card of course). Getting all vram under same heatsink is nice to have if you don't bother or have the time tear down the 3090 to replace the bottom vram pads with better pads. But you probably don't know the vram temps before you use the card. Nvidia solved the high bottom vram temps with the Ti card.

I never had any "problems" associated with memory temperatures with the 3090, but I never tried using it in a SFF hotbox that suffocated it. I suspect the 12VHPWR connection was never a problem (I do not remember ever hearing about one melting on a 3090 Ti) because everyone basically had the ugly stock pigtail as the only solution. The 40-series brought custom cables and a relevant aftermarket parts presence because it wasn't something applicable to only one overpriced and arguably overrated GPU model with very limited market share. The tacky-looking stock 12VHPWR pigtail has no flexibility issues. It's just a whole lot uglier than anything else available. And, that won't matter in a chassis where nobody can see how ugly it looks.

 

What I find most sad about the stubby eyesore stock adapter is nobody learned anything from the 3090 Ti, or they just didn't give a damn, because all they needed to do to make it less of an aesthetic atrocity was add another 8 to 10 inches to the length of the cable to facilitate a cleaner-looking build. If you could hide the nasty-looking "knots" where the stock 8-pin PSU connectors attach to it, the aesthetic value of the aftermarket cables would be dramatically diminished.

4 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

Any thoughts on the 3090FE vs something like an EVGA XC3?

I would say minimal difference unless you compare against something measurably better like a FTW3 or KPE or Galax HOF. It may be more important to focus on what fits in the limited space and how the cooler design works best with where you are going to install it. In a SFF scenario, the FE might be best suited to exhausting hot air through the I/O plate like the FE does, rather than blasting it sideways around the perimeter of the heatsink into the chassis like most other coolers.

  

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

2-slot Z790 itx = much better DDR5 performance. You will most likely be able to hit 7200+ depending on sticks.

As best I can tell from some limited-interest Google searching, there are no mini-ITX motherboards with respectable overclocking capabilities. They are 2-DIMM configuration (desirable) due to size, but they all seem to have limited overclocking potential and wimpy 10-phase power delivery designs. The focus seems to be on size reduction rather than performance.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I never had any "problems" associated with memory temperatures with the 3090, but I never tried using it in a SFF hotbox that suffocated it. I suspect the 12VHPWR connection was never a problem (I do not remember ever hearing about one melting on a 3090 Ti) because everyone basically had the ugly stock pigtail as the only solution.

It was a problem for many 3090 cards. MSI also used pads for the Suprim cards that bleed out. And I expect vram temps on used cards ain't equal good as they was when the card was new. At least not on the 3090 vs 3090Ti. 

 

GDDR6X in 3080 and 3090 Hits 110C While Mining ... 

 

Used cards whatever they are used for mining or gaming... You may need change the thermal pads. At least for the bottom row vram for 3090. The bottom vram ain't good enough cooled. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

  

As best I can tell from some limited-interest Google searching, there are no mini-ITX motherboards with respectable overclocking capabilities. They are 2-DIMM configuration (desirable) due to size, but they all seem to have limited overclocking potential and wimpy 10-phase power delivery designs. The focus seems to be on size reduction rather than performance.

 

Jufres was able to hit 8000 on an MSI Z790i Edge and 7800 on the Z690i Unify. I remember this because I was looking into a 2 slot board that was the cheapest that could hit better memory speeds to take it out of the equation when wanting to initially test DDR5 on Intel and possibly moving away from DDR4 at the time on the D4:

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Jufres was able to hit 8000 on an MSI Z790i Edge and 7800 on the Z690i Unify. I remember this because I was looking into a 2 slot board that was the cheapest that could hit better memory speeds to take it out of the equation when wanting to initially test DDR5 on Intel and possibly moving away from DDR4 at the time on the D4:

 

 

I mean the ITX boards have only single 8pin socket to feed the Cpu. Well on the brink with an oc'd 13900K. The cheaper atx boards come with 8+4. Maybe OK with an oc'd 12900K/KS but I would think twice going with an oc'd 13900K.

 

Edit. I think CableMod need sell 200 adapters to come break even paying for the customers 4090🙂 This if they can manage a nice 30% profits after all costs with the adaper/cable.

 

 Variant B Adapter Melted 2 hours ago

 

10 minutes into gaming tonight, my adapter began to melt. I started smelling burnt plastic and my PC began to fill up with smoke. I've played on this build for 5 months now with zero issues. I decided to get an angled adapter to avoid the possibility of having my GPU damaged due to a bent cable........

 

Bubbles Bubbles everywhere 🙂

 

On 5/25/2023 at 2:33 AM, Papusan said:

And this don't stop the fire. Stupid is the new normal. What good would a brand new ATX 3.0 PSU do better than my 1 year old Be Quiet! Dark Power Pro 12 - 1500W PSU with 2x native 12VHPWR adapter cables from the PSU manufacturer? They all use same 12VHPWR connector all over. The only difference is the connector on the PSU side. Single vs dual connector point. And to make it less appealing. You get the dreaded tiny fragile 12VHPWR connector instead for a real massive 8/12 pin power connector for the PSU connection🙂

 

So the best safeguard against the issue is probably to avoid using any adapter and simply "upgrade to an ATX 3.0 PSU". 

 

https://www.techspot.com/news/98819-users-report-melting-16-pin-rtx-4090-power.html

 

Regarding to Techspot editor's advice above... This wouldn't happen with an ATX 3.0 PSU, LOOL

[electrosoft]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

I mean the ITX boards have only single 8pin socket to feed the Cpu. Well on the brink with an oc'd 13900K. The cheaper atx boards come with 8+4. 

 

True but @Custom90gt wants to run a 13700k in a sff Dan C4.

 

Overclocking a 13th gen is not a priority on many levels when building out a sff. Quite the opposite.