*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Custom90gt said:

Well bummer, I snoozed and lost that 4090. My wallet (and wife) are thankful though...

 

Ordering the rest of the setup though which is exciting.

 

I snoozed over a memory purchase recently. Upon further reflection, I wasn't really sold on that model, I didn't actually need it at the time, and now the same memory is 10-15% cheaper... The human mind is fascinating isn't it? :) 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Custom90gt said:

 

Lol it is $1400 out the door (well shipped to my door). It's a great deal but may be a hard pill for my better half to swallow. I guess one bummer is I'll have to sell the 3080ti...

 

1 hour ago, Custom90gt said:

Well bummer, I snoozed and lost that 4090. My wallet (and wife) are thankful though...

 

Ordering the rest of the setup though which is exciting.

 

 

Yeah there was no way a FE 4090 was going to last at $1400 shipped.

 

So what is the total system build out look like now?

 

My FE 4090 is still sealed sitting on the shelf while I sort things out. The more I look at the NR200P, the more it seems I might be able to get my Suprim Liquid X to fit and mount the AIO up top so that one is on the list now too. If I could do that I'd just return the FE 4090. I might order one just to prototype some ideas. They are pretty inexpensive and readily available.

 

 

 

 

[tps3443]

Imagine if we died suddenly, our significant others would clear out/ sell all of our parts for “What we said we paid for them” 

 

“Hey honey! I got the new 4090 it was only $300 honey!!”

”I got it on sale, couldn’t pass it up” 

 

“Dies in a car crash”

 

“4 months later”

 

”4090 for sale only $200 was $300 new” 🤣

 

 

[Papusan]

In the end I won't save a single cent. The chance that I have to pay more is bigger than the opposite. What next? You get the PSU in parts and have to mount it yourself? 

 

 

 

 

[cylix]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

I snoozed over a memory purchase recently. Upon further reflection, I wasn't really sold on that model, I didn't actually need it at the time, and now the same memory is 10-15% cheaper... The human mind is fascinating isn't it? 🙂

 

Same, i am thinking from time to time to get new memory (48Gb kit or 64gb) and also to change the two 1 TB Samsung 970 SSDs with some new 2TB because they are so cheap now,, but i dont need them. Its just the itch to get something new to tinker with..

 

 

...AND in the end i just got 10 minutes ago Diablo IV Ultimate Edition to play early witch probably i wont have time to play. 😆
Brain works mysterious way..🙄

[Papusan]

More stupidity. Now the kids have to open the backside chassis panel to check the 12VHPWR power connector. And on top you most likely need to buy a new chassis.

 

 

[electrosoft]

20 minutes ago, cylix said:

 

Same, i am thinking from time to time to get new memory (48Gb kit or 64gb) and also to change the two 1 TB Samsung 970 SSDs with some new 2TB because they are so cheap now,, but i dont need them. Its just the itch to get something new to tinker with..

 

 

...AND in the end i just got 10 minutes ago Diablo IV Ultimate Edition to play early witch probably i wont have time to play. 😆
Brain works mysterious way..🙄

 

I will say moving from SR M-die 2x16GB 30-36-36 @ 6200 to DR A-die 2x32GB 28-35-35 @ 6000 has provided a 10-15% uplift in fps in Fallout 76. M-die's couldn't do any better at 6000 or 6200 FYI.

 

Last storage upgrade was picking up a 980 Pro 1TB w/ heatsink for my laptop since I looked around and didn't have a spare nvme sitting around for the first in forever....

 

I was going to get D4 anyhow but the free game offer with the FE 4090 was nice. I've played them all on launch. I also picked up D2R on launch too. I actually prefer D3 over it. I'm definitely looking forward to D4 and coincidentally I've pretty much have done everything there is to do in Fallout 76 now and maxed out everything so perfect timing.

 

 

 

[cylix]

Yes i would like some new 48gb or 96 GB A-die kits, but they are still expensive now.

Witch 2x32 kit did you get?

 

Just got on the hype train after i saw this video. The new Corsair System looks amazing and its a dream for cable management.  I will change my whole LianLi Fans with this. L-connect is still a broken  mess.

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@Mr. Fox

 

That is crazy about the G.Skill 7200’s. Everyone I know with those is running 8200-8600 fairly easily. But these people are on Apex Z790’s. I’m not sure how they would run on a Z690 Dark 
 

The Team Group (2x16GB) 7200’s I sold you could barely stabilize 7600-7800 on my Z790 Apex with this bios. Posting 8000-8200 was not even possible. However, the same sticks worked great on the Z690 Unify-X at DDR5 8000 and could bench 8400. Makes no sense sometimes. My bios is well optimized for the 2x24GB/2x48GB rams. Not sure if that makes a difference. But some rams won’t work well on some boards/bios.
 

Someone is sending me the V-Color 8200c38 2x24GB ram kit. I am guessing these will be a tiny smidge better than my 7200’s if at all. Anyways, if they show up I’ll send you mine and you can try these G.Skill 7200’s. I’m not 100% sure they are coming. 

Silicon lottery is what it is. Not all parts with the same SKU are created equal. Some are good, some are garbage. CPU, GPU, RAM, motherboard are all potential casualties in a world where QC is essentially non-existent. G.SKILL is the memory brand I have RMA'd more than any other. About one in five are excellent, with the rest ranging from mediocre to totally unusable garbage. Their XMP profiles are always the least stable, but their good silicon samples manually overclock nicely. Their lousy samples just need to go into the garbage.

 

So far, the DDR5 memory modules that have been hands-down the best at everything are the naked green generic SK Hynix M-die and A-die modules. They are more stable and perform better, and overclock higher, than any of the branded RGB junk wrapped in heating blankets that I have purchased and returned.

 

I'd be glad to test your 7200 G.SKILL 48GB kit in the Dark if the V-Color shows up. Thank you.

  

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

More stupidity. Now the kids have to open the backside chassis panel to check the 12VHPWR power connector. And on top you most likely need to buy a new chassis.

 

 

I saw another video showing that new gimmick form factor with connectors on the back. This make no sense at all. The idea is focused on aesthetics and another presentation of form over function.

 

Another example of unnecessary change for the sake of change rather than a bonafide improvement. I'd much prefer that they focus on being consistently excellent at what they already produce rather than looking for weird gimmicks that require unnecessary purchases of related products. This is as bad as, maybe even more idiotic than, the unnecessary introduction of the 12VHPWR connection.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

Yes i would like some new 48gb or 96 GB A-die kits, but they are still expensive now.

Witch 2x32 kit did you get?

 

Just got on the hype train after i saw this video. The new Corsair System looks amazing and its a dream for cable management.  I will change my whole LianLi Fans with this. L-connect is still a broken  mess.

 

 

I picked these up for $150 shipped over on the ocn forums from a member (Come to think of it, I've bought 3-4 memory kits from him now 2x DDR4, 2x DDR5). I'm completely satisfied with them on every level and they are definitely superior to all three M-die kits I've tested on the Carbon + 7800X3D.

 

Not sure how far they would go for Intel as they were never tested on a 2 Dimm / cert IMC silicon setup.

 

 

 

 

[Tenoroon]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

More stupidity. Now the kids have to open the backside chassis panel to check the 12VHPWR power connector. And on top you most likely need to buy a new chassis.

 

 

Yeah, as @Mr. Foxsaid, it's a perfect example of form over function. To add insult to injury, it uses liquid metal, which is usually a TERRIBLE idea for GPUs. God forbid even the smallest ball of LM spills under the substrate. If that ever happens, the core is usually done for and the GPU is essentially totaled.

[Mr. Fox]

Intel will be making NVIDIA GPUs???

 

[Etern4l]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Intel will be making NVIDIA GPUs???

 

 

Hard to believe. Intel first had to outsource manufacturing of its own GPUs is now going to be manufacturing NVidia GPUs? That'd be them the laying down their arms. Hope that's just fake news.

[Mr. Fox]

50 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Hard to believe. Intel first had to outsource manufacturing of its own GPUs is now going to be manufacturing NVidia GPUs? That'd be them the laying down their arms. Hope that's just fake news.

Maybe not... I'd actually like to see GPUs getting manufactured here in the US instead of Asia.

This was from 4 months ago, but nobody was talking about it until now...

 

[Etern4l]

17 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe not... I'd actually like to see GPUs getting manufactured here in the US instead of Asia.

This was from 4 months ago, but nobody was talking about it until now...

 

Talk about a deal with the devil...

[Mr. Fox]

14 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Talk about a deal with the devil...

Maybe more good jobs for Americans and I love the idea of defunding the CCP and cutting China out of business deals anywhere the opportunity presents itself. It would be great for the rest of the world hang them out to dry. I'm not really seeing any angels in the tech realm. They all seem like devils to me. It comes down to picking your poison. Nothing genuinely good comes from China. Relegating them into a state of abject poverty would be an effective way of preventing them from waging war with the free world. They have few natural resources and depriving them of the ability to cultivate financial resources or conduct business is an excellent idea. When your enemies have no resources, no money and no food, they're no longer a problem for you or anyone else.

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I'd much prefer that they focus on being consistently excellent at what they already produce rather than looking for weird gimmicks that require unnecessary purchases of related products.

I know you like avesome and focus on exelense. Would you like help to update your old firmware without you need to touch it? And wouldn't it be nice if Gigabyte also offered no roll-back option "same as Asus offer" so you don't risk roll back to older unsecure firmware by accident? I just love how the HW manufacturers always try to improve their current and new producs 

 

Eclypsium said it is working with Gigabyte to address the insecure implementation of the feature. For what it's worth, Eclypsium found the backdoor on over 260 Gigabyte boards. The full list of affected motherboards has been published for your convenience.

 

Gigabyte shipped hundreds of models of motherboards with a hidden firmware backdoor

Cause for concern, or no big deal?

 

 

Facepalm: Firmware security services provider Eclypsium recently detected what it described as suspected backdoor-like behavior on some Gigabyte systems in the wild. A follow-up analysis revealed Gigabyte is using code in motherboard firmware to quietly run an updater program that connects to the Internet to download and subsequently install firmware updates. I wouldn't be thrilled about a company updating my motherboard's firmware without my approval. What if the new firmware wasn't compatible with my hardware, or messed up my overclock?

 

In the meantime, concerned parties can block access to the following URLs that get pinged to check for updates:

• http://mb.download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Swhttp/LiveUpdate4
• https://mb.download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Swhttp/LiveUpdate4
• https://software-nas/Swhttp/LiveUpdate4

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe more good jobs for Americans and I love the idea of defunding the CCP and cutting China out of business deals anywhere the opportunity presents itself. It would be great for the rest of the world hang them out to dry. I'm not really seeing any angels in the tech realm. They all seem like devils to me. It comes down to picking your poison. Nothing genuinely good comes from China. Relegating them into a state of abject poverty would be an effective way of preventing them from waging war with the free world. They have few natural resources and depriving them of the ability to cultivate financial resources or conduct business is an excellent idea. When your enemies have no resources, no money and no food, they're no longer a problem for you or anyone else.

 

I don't quite get this. TSMC is Taiwanese, no? Nothing to do with CCP. They are also opening a new fab in Arizona.

Furthermore they offer 4nm and soon 3nm process, whereas Intel's best is 7nm. How is that useful to NVidia?

 

According to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC

Intel were recently looking to use TSMC...

"In July 2021, both Apple and Intel were reported to be testing their proprietary chip designs with TSMC's 3 nm production.^[109]". A bit confusing I guess.

 

As for the jobs, I'm not sure how labour-intensive fabs are, but if a fab is up and running then the jobs are there regardless of whether NVidia or Intel chips are being manufactured. 

 

If you are worried about good jobs for Americans then you should worry about NVidia's AI push first and foremost.

 

[Papusan]

6 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

I don't quite get this. TSMC is Taiwanese, no? Nothing to do with CCP. They are also opening a new fab in Arizona.

Furthermore they offer 4nm and soon 3nm process, whereas Intel's best is 7nm. 

 

According to this:

 

 

Intel need all customers they can get.... Subsidies are not enough. They need someone to pay the bills.

Intel CEO Announces 'IDM 2.0' Strategy for Manufacturing 

Intel's 'IDM 2.0' Strategy Defined in 60 Seconds

Intel could match TSMC for chip transistor density later this year 

[Etern4l]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Intel need all customers they can get.... They need someone to pay the bills.

Intel CEO Announces 'IDM 2.0' Strategy for Manufacturing 

Intel's 'IDM 2.0' Strategy Defined in 60 Seconds

 

Yes, that's what I'm saying - with the falling demand on the PC side, and shrinking DC market share, they are in trouble, and looking to somehow rent out their 7nm process. One would hope they would continue to compete with NVidia, not help it do business (somehow, still don't understand why NVidia would be interested). Looks like they are giving up on that, or fake news after all.

[Papusan]

8 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Yes, that's what I'm saying - with the falling demand on the PC side, and shrinking DC market share, they are in trouble, and looking to somehow rent out their 7nm process. One would hope they would continue to compete with NVidia, not help it do business (somehow, still don't understand why NVidia would be interested). Looks like they are giving up on that, or fake news after all.

What can Nvidia do to stop TSMC from double up and tripple the prices for new tech? Subsidies has to be todays word. You pay the difference with what you pay in taxes/fees.

 

If Intel can offer nvidia a good deal. Why should they say no?

[Etern4l]

12 minutes ago, Papusan said:

What can Nvidia do to stop TSMC from double up and tripple the prices for new tech? Subsidies has to be todays word. You pay the difference with what you pay in taxes/fees.

 

Well, not much, although TSMC are likely already charging the max amount they can in order to ootimise their revenue. 

 

What I can't see is how Intel's 7nm process would help. "Introducing the new 5090 7nm 1kW edition." 

 

This must have something to do with Uncle Joe's semiconductor manufacturing push. 

 

https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/intels-100b-ohio-megafab-could-become-worlds-largest-chip-plant/

 

Nvidia obviously has to play nice with the government and say "of course, we are evaluating, fantastic - we will manufacture many 2060s in there". 

[Papusan]

25 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Well, not much, although TSMC are already charging the max amount they can. 

 

What I can't see is how Intel's 7nm process would help. Introducing the new 500 7nm 1kW edition.

 

This must has something to do with Uncle Joe's semiconductor manufacturing push. 

 

https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/intels-100b-ohio-megafab-could-become-worlds-largest-chip-plant/

 

Nvidia obviously has to play nice with the government and say "of course, we are evaluating, fantastic - we will manufacture many 2060s in there". 

With the nice friendship with China over Taiwan I can see why Uncle Joe want chips fabs built fast other places (just look at what happened with oil/gas from Russia to Europe - Dams stupid Merkel). And what's better than nvidia pay some of the bills? But don't expect cheaper graphics cards... Nvidia won't sell their graphics cards cheaper if they get a better deal with Intel😎

 

The CableMod QC nightmare continue....

 

Is this normal for cablemod basic e series 12vhpwr connector?

[Custom90gt]

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

Yeah there was no way a FE 4090 was going to last at $1400 shipped.

 

So what is the total system build out look like now?

 

My FE 4090 is still sealed sitting on the shelf while I sort things out. The more I look at the NR200P, the more it seems I might be able to get my Suprim Liquid X to fit and mount the AIO up top so that one is on the list now too. If I could do that I'd just return the FE 4090. I might order one just to prototype some ideas. They are pretty inexpensive and readily available.

 

 

 

 

 

So far system build wise I'm at

Case: CM NR200

MB: ROG Strix Z790-i

CPU: 13700k

GPU: Evga 3080 Ti FTW3

Ram: Gskill G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series 48GB (2 x 24GB) 7200

SSD: 2TB Hynix Platinum P41 + Intel optane SSD for boot

Power supply: Silverstone SX1000 Platinum

AIO: Arctic Freezer II 280mm

Fans: Arctic P12

 

I'm kind of excited (well I'm always excited to build a new system), this will be my first SFF build

[cylix]

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I picked these up for $150 shipped over on the ocn forums from a member (Come to think of it, I've bought 3-4 memory kits from him now 2x DDR4, 2x DDR5). I'm completely satisfied with them on every level and they are definitely superior to all three M-die kits I've tested on the Carbon + 7800X3D.

 

Not sure how far they would go for Intel as they were never tested on a 2 Dimm / cert IMC silicon setup.

 

 

 

 

Thanks. I found these on Amazon. From the S/N and specs looks same only they have Neo in name for expo. Think are the same A dies?

G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5NR 64GB 2x32GB DDR5 6000MHz Memory Module https://amzn.eu/d/5TOgqfl