*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[ryan]

Iv'e heard a few people mention donations and are willing to pay for the efforts and expenses this forum incurs. I for one don't mind paying! nothings truly free

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If Cablemod did not exist and everyone was using the ugly stock pigtail adapter, it is possible the number of failures would be similar. We don't know what we don't know. All we can do is make assumptions and best guesses and do our best to connect securely and monitor the quality of the connection to be confident the cable is staying fully seated/inserted during normal use. I am using the stock 12VHPWR cable provided by Corsair with the PSU.

Not a single user post burned up vanilla cables in Nvidia reddit or PC build threads. And we know custom cables is done by many brands, OEMs and PSU manufacturers (me etc use BeQuiets own cables). Not even in PSU manufacuturers forum you find them. Thats very odd. Not normal if we can see all the adapters poping up melted from CM. Maybe 2 mill cards is sold from 4000 series the last 8 months. The amount adapers sold by CM is a drop in the ocean but they flood in as melted adapters. None of CableMods custom cables is in the Death statistic. Only their adapters. 

 

Dang. The users nickname match the CM adapters and GPU's sad end of life, LOOL

 

Not fun with hard-tubing when this happens. Yep, I prefer softubing. Have always done. I would be back with another GPU from my Gpu collection within minutes. Fancy is pretty but not always very smart.

 

 https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1675543372248006656

He should probably have checked the adaper properly already last week.

 

 

Edit. More points 🙂 5th with GTX 970 - 3DMark 03

https://hwbot.org/submission/5304406_papusan_3dmark03_geforce_gtx_970_252692_marks?recalculate=true

[Rage Set]

3 hours ago, Reciever said:

Yes but I think if people want to contribute we can arrange some kind of sub/contribution model that not only increases their own privileges but scales to other members to some degree. More engagement should be encouraged typically speaking under normal business models, but this forum is straight out of pocket for now which limits things.

 

Obviously many use the forum and that hasnt changed sicne we started this thing up, hasnt crashed and burned yet so I think its time to begin some investments of my own and open up those avenues.

 

I will likely add to the site suggestion threads, but I would love a "front page" where members can provide valuable tutorials, reviews and more. Add some areas where you can display ads and that could provide a small revenue stream. 

[Raiderman]

Wouldnt hurt to put up a donation link, would it? I routinely donate to a few sites that I enjoy. It may not be much, but I would think every little bit helps?

[Reciever]

34 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

I will likely add to the site suggestion threads, but I would love a "front page" where members can provide valuable tutorials, reviews and more. Add some areas where you can display ads and that could provide a small revenue stream. 

 

I have a semi functioning state for what I was thinking of trying for Reviews, we may give it a shot just a trial run and see how it goes, but im sure if people will be up for the idea.

 

Think similarly to how I handle the Internal Forum announcements, and then having a separate sub-forum for the discussions. This keeps the announcements themselves uncluttered, but also creates an avenue for discussion.

 

Here is what I was thinking, same vein as the above. However members will make their "review" and when ready submit it for approval by the Editor or Moderator. Editors would simply ensure that its not a troll/spam post and approve. Editors would also have no ties to vendors. Lastly Members can rate their own level of pedigree in terms of "review". It could be a casual review, much in the vein you see for things like Amazon, or it can be Amateur where you start to see more data. This is so that members can already know what to expect before going into the thread.

 

People can ask their questions in the relevant Official threads where we would want discussion to take place originally, and the hook can be the Reviews that people provide based on if they want to provide that here.

 

For the Front page, currently I am aiming for a curated news section that will update in real time, this forum software would call it a widget it seems. It was one of the defining attractions of one of the other forums I used to surf some time ago before they were bought and sold a few times.

 

@Raiderman This is mostly due to my approach to money, since this is a joint endeavor I want to make sure I do right by my good friend @Hiew. I already almost never talk to any of my family due to them ripping me off several times over, its not to say that Hiew is uncooperative, Im just quite hesitant on that front.

 

That all being said, he's been footing the bill for the forum since its inception, so I want to alleviate that as much as possible.

[Papusan]

GTX 970 - 3DMark 05 and once again right in front of mr Oviz😆

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5304416_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_970_108768_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5304435_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_970_584596_marks?recalculate=true

 

 

This totally blows, LOOL

 

Posted 1 hour ago (second one today). And all with CM angled adapters.

Mine fried...

[tps3443]

8 hours ago, ryan said:

this, hehe the best one IMHO. Its old but pretty damn fun to play. I was actually just playing it about 5 mins ago. I get 24fps average maxed no aa or dlss at 4k using the gpu benchmark tool. 

 

I am pretty sure if my memory serves me correctly, a 3080 gets about 30fps on average at 4k maxed no dlss. my 3060 shouldn't be getting 24fps but it definetly is. goes from 20-36fps not really playable but I think the culprit is the tweaks I applied, alot of people on youtube don't do much in the form of optimising their stuff to get the most from their computers. people here are kinda in the top 1 percent, Im a newb and on 3dmark im in the top 2 per cent with the 3060 benchmarks. I have alot to learn yet and im getting there. its fun learning new things everyday but im kinda wishing I bought a desktop vs this heat trap.

 

 

if you do test crysis, notice the lows and highs. I think if you get about 50fps average your doing good

I think it runs alright. Not as good as it should for such an old game with bad graphics lol.
 

Below is 4K resolution “Can it Run Crysis” graphic setting. No DLSS, no tweaks. 
 

If you are getting 24fps with your setup, then it’s safe to say if you had a RTX3080 right now you’d be getting a good decent bump I’m frame rate.
 

Sometimes we can’t really use older performance numbers though. Faster CPU’s, new drivers etc. I know the RTX30 series has gone through a vast improvement with driver improvement alone. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

https://hwbot.org/submission/5304418_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5304441_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/96574037

[Papusan]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

https://hwbot.org/submission/5304418_

https://hwbot.org/submission/5304441_ | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/96574037

Good results and very nice setup bro Fox 🙂

 

Climbed up in ranking. 73th on hwbot and passed buildzoid and slight behind der8auer. I also stole back my 1th place for the season ranking for Enthusiasts. So on schedule 🙂 Papusan @ HWBOT

 

[ryan]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I think it runs alright. Not as good as it should for such an old game with bad graphics lol.
 

Below is 4K resolution “Can it Run Crysis” graphic setting. No DLSS, no tweaks. 
 

If you are getting 24fps with your setup, then it’s safe to say if you had a RTX3080 right now you’d be getting a good decent bump I’m frame rate.
 

Sometimes we can’t really use older performance numbers though. Faster CPU’s, new drivers etc. I know the RTX30 series has gone through a vast improvement with driver improvement alone. 

 

 

thanks for that awesome video/ 🙂

 

I think your right about the drivers, drivers have had more of an impact on my performance then overclocking has. I think im where i should be because im overclocked and its right around 3060ti territory, maybe a few frames less I think if a person did not tweak and overclock their 3060ti system that would explain why a 3060 is matching its performance

[Raiderman]

Well, my 7900xtx will be going under water soon, as I ordered the bykski block for it. Now maybe I can get some of the same numbers as others on the bot. We shall see. 😎

[tps3443]

Someone buy this! RTX3090 24GB with EKWB block and backplate for $485 amazing deal. 
 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus-tuf-oc-rtx-3090-with-ek-water-block-installed-and-ek-backplate.1806878/#post-29209309

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Someone buy this! RTX3090 24GB with EKWB block and backplate for $485 amazing deal. 
 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus-tuf-oc-rtx-3090-with-ek-water-block-installed-and-ek-backplate.1806878/#post-29209309

Chispy often advertice his gear several places on the web. Probably gone within short time.... Item number 4. , Asus Tuf OC RTX 3090 *** Pending Payment *** 

 

For all my US friends : Enjoy your day. 

 

On 6/19/2023 at 1:11 AM, Papusan said:

What have happened to EVGA? They now offer their first gen ATX 3.0 PSU models and only 3 years warranty. Don't they trust their products anymore? A measly 3 years warranty only means they have went cheap on some of the components. Not what I expected when they said they should put full focus on their remaining products after they jumped of the ship as AIC partner for nvidia graphics cards.

 

This is disgusting!!! @electrosoft @Mr. Fox You can get cheaper PSUs from Corsair that offer same 80+ Gold, with a TEN YEAR warranty. If this is the direction EVGA want to go forwards they're digging their own grave. Who want to put their trust on new PSU the manufacurer only will give 3 years warranty? Why? And 200$ is still not cheap. It will be more like $265 here home if not closer to $275.

 

 

EVGA Introduces SuperNOVA 1000G/850G XC PSU Series

PRESS RELEASE 

 Friday, 19:48

 

Introducing the EVGA SuperNOVA 1000G/850G XC Series - The first ATX 3.0 compliant and PCIe Gen 5.0-ready power supply series from EVGA. With a half-bridge LLC resonant controller, DC-DC converter, and 100% Japanese capacitors, the EVGA SuperNOVA 1000G and 850G XC gives the power you need for a modern gaming system.

ATX 3.0 Compliant & PCIe 5.0 Ready
Designed to support current and future standards, the EVGA SuperNOVA XC series is fully-compliant with ATX12V V3.0 and PCIe Gen 5.0 standards. This means you can use these power supplies with your current system or the system you want to build. More to the point, these power supplies are built to respond significantly faster to transient spikes, ensuring your card and system stay safe and fully powered at all times.

EVGA want 200$ for their brand new ATX 3.0 1000W PSU with a small measly 3 years warranty. Why buy EVGA nowadays when you get better deals from other brands? EVGA have changeded course and prepare for a fast death. What an end/destiny for a well known and loved brand. The end of graphics cards era was just the beginning on the end of EVGA. 

 

Montech Titan Gold 1200W - 1200W ATX 3.0 PSU for same amount money and 10 years warranty.

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Chispy often advertice his gear several places on the web. Probably gone within short time.... Item number 4. , Asus Tuf OC RTX 3090 *** Pending Payment *** 

 

For all my US friends : Enjoy your day. 

 

EVGA want 200$ for their brand new ATX 3.0 1000W PSU with a small measly 3 years warranty. Why buy EVGA nowadays when you get better deals from other brands? EVGA have changeded course and prepare for a fast death. What an end/destiny for a well known and loved brand. The end of graphics cards era was just the beginning on the end of EVGA. 

 

Montech Titan Gold 1200W - 1200W ATX 3.0 PSU for same amount money and 10 years warranty.

I’m never buying another EVGA PSU. I bought a brand new EVGA 1300G+ which was a newer design from them. I bought it right off their website. It popped and smoked by flipping the rear switch off and on too quickly. My replacement was a 1300P+ (More expensive platinum model) both of these units were released in the middle of 2020, and bought new. So they are not very old units. The 1300G+ failed after a very short period, maybe a week or a month I cannot remember. Now, my 1300P+ screams at me if any load of 200+ watts is placed on my computer, it has done this since new. The higher the load the louder it screams 🙂. I really need to get a 3rd power supply I suppose.. How can they miss this screaming noise when they tested this unit? 
 

I will say my 1300P+ works fantastic and handles any load I throw at it for nearly 2 years now. But it just screams and squelches like a beast. 😂

 

I am tempted to give a 1,000 watt unit a try. But I’m not sure if it’s enough with all of my pumps and accessories. I think it can work though. So I may go for a higher quality 1,000 watt unit. 
 

I am open to suggestions, preferably a white PSU. 🙂

[Rage Set]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’m never buying another EVGA PSU. I bought a brand new EVGA 1300G+ which was a newer design from them. I bought it right off their website. It popped and smoked by flipping the rear switch off and on too quickly. My replacement was a 1300P+ (More expensive platinum model) both of these units were released in the middle of 2020, and bought new. So they are not very old units. The 1300G+ failed after a very short period, maybe a week or a month I cannot remember. Now, my 1300P+ screams at me if any load of 200+ watts is placed on my computer, it has done this since new. The higher the load the louder it screams 🙂. I really need to get a 3rd power supply I suppose.. How can they miss this screaming noise when they tested this unit? 
 

I will say my 1300P+ works fantastic and handles any load I throw at it for nearly 2 years now. But it just screams and squelches like a beast. 😂

 

I am tempted to give a 1,000 watt unit a try. But I’m not sure if it’s enough with all of my pumps and accessories. I think it can work though. So I may go for a higher quality 1,000 watt unit. 
 

I am open to suggestions, preferably a white PSU. 🙂

 

I still have my EVGA 1600W P2 that is going very strong. It has powered multiple builds with SLI and the only one that could truly push it was the 7980XE and KP 2080 TI SLI build. I was going to build a 3090 SLI rig to see if I could punish it, but that never materialize. It lays dormant now, as I have nothing to really push it. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

I still have my EVGA 1600W P2 that is going very strong. It has powered multiple builds with SLI and the only one that could truly push it was the 7980XE and KP 2080 TI SLI build. I was going to build a 3090 SLI rig to see if I could punish it, but that never materialize. It lays dormant now, as I have nothing to really push it. 

Same. No issues at all after years of torture. It's just horrible that EVGA is basically giving up on their niche. I am really disappointed about it beyond words.

 

While I am most satisfied with the Apex, I think there is a good chance I will end up sticking with the Dark K|NGP|N for overclocking. It seems better. The Apex takes more voltage and run hotter, and seems less stable at higher frequencies. They are very close, though. Luumi thinks so, too... @ 11:42

 

 

[Papusan]

On 7/2/2023 at 8:22 PM, Papusan said:

Finally some smart engineers. Sligh redesigned PSU compatible with ATX3.0 and PCIe5.0 standards.... But with real 8pins connectors on the PSU side of the 12VHPWR cable. So there is still hope in humanity bro @Mr. Fox

 

 

But Corsair should have offered two of the 12VHPWR cables and not only one. HX1500i isn't exactly a cheapo made products. It comes with 10 years warranty. Put in a second 12VHPWR cable, please.

 

CORSAIR HX1500i ATX 3.0: 1,500W Platinum Power Supply with ATX3.0/PCIe5.0 Support

By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 06/30/2023 08:59 AM 

Corsair announced the launch of their new power supply unit, the "X1500i ATX 3.0 (model number: CP-9020261). This power supply unit has obtained the 80PLUS PLATINUM certification and is capable of delivering 1,500W of power. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5304077_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_970_15115_marks

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I am tempted to give a 1,000 watt unit a try. But I’m not sure if it’s enough with all of my pumps and accessories. I think it can work though. So I may go for a higher quality 1,000 watt unit. 
 

I am open to suggestions, preferably a white PSU. 🙂

Not white but if you can find the new Corsair HX1500i ATX 3.0 PSU at a good price then you have a good unit. You may also have chance to find the older 2021 version of HX1500i (my son have one) but without the ATX 3.0 specs. The good thing... You'll avoid have the small flimsy 12VHPWR connector on the PSU side even if the PSU is speced with ATX 3.0 specs. See my older post above. Remember the new modern ATX 3.0 - 1000W PSUs have almost none of the 8 pin connectors. So avoid them. They are bad Jokes.

 

Galax have a new White 1300W ATX3.0 PSU with dual 12VHPWR connectors. But I prefer 8 pins on the PSU side of the 12VHPWR cable. You get the best from both worlds(loads of 8 pins for powering both 4090 and older gen cards). Can't beat that. 

 

I needed dual PSU setup to fulfill my needs. Imagine, if I bought the new modern who usually offer minimum of 8 pins connectors than the older PSUs... I would be damn angry. New is newer. Not better. 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I’m never buying another EVGA PSU. I bought a brand new EVGA 1300G+ which was a newer design from them. I bought it right off their website. It popped and smoked by flipping the rear switch off and on too quickly. My replacement was a 1300P+ (More expensive platinum model) both of these units were released in the middle of 2020, and bought new. So they are not very old units. The 1300G+ failed after a very short period, maybe a week or a month I cannot remember. Now, my 1300P+ screams at me if any load of 200+ watts is placed on my computer, it has done this since new. The higher the load the louder it screams 🙂. I really need to get a 3rd power supply I suppose.. How can they miss this screaming noise when they tested this unit? 
 

I will say my 1300P+ works fantastic and handles any load I throw at it for nearly 2 years now. But it just screams and squelches like a beast. 😂

 

I am tempted to give a 1,000 watt unit a try. But I’m not sure if it’s enough with all of my pumps and accessories. I think it can work though. So I may go for a higher quality 1,000 watt unit. 
 

I am open to suggestions, preferably a white PSU. 🙂

 

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I still have my EVGA 1600W P2 that is going very strong. It has powered multiple builds with SLI and the only one that could truly push it was the 7980XE and KP 2080 TI SLI build. I was going to build a 3090 SLI rig to see if I could punish it, but that never materialize. It lays dormant now, as I have nothing to really push it. 

 

42 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Same. No issues at all after years of torture. It's just horrible that EVGA is basically giving up on their niche. I am really disappointed about it beyond words.

 

While I am most satisfied with the Apex, I think there is a good chance I will end up sticking with the Dark K|NGP|N for overclocking. It seems better. The Apex takes more voltage and run hotter, and seems less stable at higher frequencies. They are very close, though. Luumi thinks so, too... @ 11:42

 

 

 

I've had over 10+ EVGA power supplies including a few 1300 and 1600 models and I've never had anyone of them fail on me.

 

I can't say the same for Corsair or Silverstone. It was a failed 2nd Silverstone out of the box that led me to EVGA years ago actually.

 

With their new direction and nerfed warranty I will not auto purchase from EVGA anymore but I will still consider them.

 

As for their motherboards, I've always loved them. If the Z790 series is their last (seeing as Vince and the BIOS team are leaving) it was a heck of a run.

 

Like I mentioned before, I've kinda shifted to MSI now with Asus a close second. MSI doesn't perform as well out of the box and tends to over juice their CPUs but with tuning it produces the same results as Asus for me.

 

[Papusan]

#we mostly switched to our own custom made terminals because of lead times but we need to confirm which products are affected# Hmmm.... We mostly switched and our own custom terminals... Yep, that may explain why so many CM Adapters frying the 4090 GPU power connectors the last couple of months.

 

 

[Talon]

 

Dear AMD

 

 

[Rage Set]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Dear AMD

 

 

 

It's ironic that Nvidia fans are attacking AMD about FSR exclusivity after all of the Nvidia exclusive features and programs that Nvidia tried to push on developers and their partners over the years (Nvidia's GPP and CUDA come to mind) that can't be used on AMD or Intel products freely and natively. Yet, FSR works on Nvidia and Intel GPUs...can't say the same about DLSS or XeSS. Tim from Hardware Unboxed has stated for some time now that FSR 2 and DLSS 2.X look nearly the same.

 

I really don't understand the uproar. Exclusivity has been a thing for a while now and there is still far more Nvidia DLSS titles than AMD FSR 2 titles. 

 

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Like I mentioned before, I've kinda shifted to MSI now with Asus a close second.

What with Colorful?😁 Will this be your next GPU for your SFF build when the prices drop? Even with a White variant. Maybe you'll get the cat also that you can put on top of your tiny small PC box😬

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/colorful-to-launch-geforce-rtx-4060-meow-gpu-featuring-ninja-cat

[Rage Set]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

I've had over 10+ EVGA power supplies including a few 1300 and 1600 models and I've never had anyone of them fail on me.

 

I can't say the same for Corsair or Silverstone. It was a failed 2nd Silverstone out of the box that led me to EVGA years ago actually.

 

With their new direction and nerfed warranty I will not auto purchase from EVGA anymore but I will still consider them.

 

As for their motherboards, I've always loved them. If the Z790 series is their last (seeing as Vince and the BIOS team are leaving) it was a heck of a run.

 

Like I mentioned before, I've kinda shifted to MSI now with Asus a close second. MSI doesn't perform as well out of the box and tends to over juice their CPUs but with tuning it produces the same results as Asus for me.

 

 

One of my colleagues traded me a 7600X, DDR5 32GB 5600MT kit and cash after he damaged his mobo trying to install the 7600X. I gave him a 11900K, 16GB of RAM and MSI Z590 Gaming Force mobo. 

 

After two weeks of research and a tiny bit of push by you, I purchased a MSI MEG 670E ACE. I know it is quite the overkill board for a 7600X but I do plan on buying a 7950X when they drop to $400 or AMD's next gen processors. I got the mobo for $512 from Amazon in "acceptable" condition (it was only missing the box, otherwise it was brand new). I need 10G built into the mobo.

 

I never used MSI before, so it is taking me some time to adjust. It's a good mobo though. No complains so far. I think I may go MSI in the future now as I won't touch Asus unless it is dirt cheap. 

[Raiderman]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

I've had over 10+ EVGA power supplies including a few 1300 and 1600 models and I've never had anyone of them fail on me.

 

I can't say the same for Corsair or Silverstone. It was a failed 2nd Silverstone out of the box that led me to EVGA years ago actually.

 

With their new direction and nerfed warranty I will not auto purchase from EVGA anymore but I will still consider them.

 

As for their motherboards, I've always loved them. If the Z790 series is their last (seeing as Vince and the BIOS team are leaving) it was a heck of a run.

 

Like I mentioned before, I've kinda shifted to MSI now with Asus a close second. MSI doesn't perform as well out of the box and tends to over juice their CPUs but with tuning it produces the same results as Asus for me.

 

I chose MSI originally for my x670 because of canonkongs suggestion on the win-raid forums for running windows 7. I'm a bit disappointed with the stupid A6 hang on restarts, so I may go back to AsRock in the future. The X570 I had was a great board for ocing.

[Talon]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

It's ironic that Nvidia fans are attacking AMD about FSR exclusivity after all of the Nvidia exclusive features and programs that Nvidia tried to push on developers and their partners over the years (Nvidia's GPP and CUDA come to mind) that can't be used on AMD or Intel products freely and natively. Yet, FSR works on Nvidia and Intel GPUs...can't say the same about DLSS or XeSS. Tim from Hardware Unboxed has stated for some time now that FSR 2 and DLSS 2.X look nearly the same.

 

I really don't understand the uproar. Exclusivity has been a thing for a while now and there is still far more Nvidia DLSS titles than AMD FSR 2 titles. 

 

 

 

Unfortunately no, FSR and DLSS do not look the same, FSR might look similar in still images, but when compared in motion, where it counts, FSR 2 quickly falls apart compared to DLSS. In fact HWU did a comparison recently where DLSS won out in EVERY single match up. There are instances where FSR doesn't look terrible, but it never looks better than DLSS. 

 

 

As someone that uses 4K, DLSS 2/3 has been amazing. DLAA in particular renders at native resolution and then uses the AI to apply vastly superior AA so the image looks far better than native + any AA could ever look. 4K DLAA and Frame Gen in Diablo 4 is amazing. 

 

You mention the GPP, but that was quickly slammed by tech media and just as quickly cancelled. So I'm not quite sure why were bringing that up, more importantly, just because one company has pulled shady dealings in the past, should we then give another company permission to also proceed with shady dealings? Or is that only OK for AMD? 

 

Bottom line, allegedly paying a developer to prevent use of a competitors technology is 100% wrong and goes against "being open" and the summer of love AMD preaches. AMD should learn to compete on through their own superior technology and innovation. Attempting to stifle innovation and progress because you don't have an answer is disgusting and not good for any consumer. 

 

Also Intel XESS is hardware agnostic, it works any on any GPU, but does work slightly better on Intel GPUs as they have hardware accelerators that it's GPU can take advantage of. Something AMD should have done from the beginning but never included on their consumer GPU line. That is AMDs fault, their downfall in this case, and why they are "open". They can't exactly beat DLSS so they attempted to go for an "open" approach. Problem is, that only works if your product is as good or better than the competitions which is isn't. And AMD has another problem, market share. Not only does Nvidia have the market share, they have the better product. 

 

Then there is the fanboy argument that DLSS only works on "certain GPUs". DLSS works on any GPU from a lowly laptop RTX 2050 all the way up to a RTX 4090. That is 5 years of GPUs as Nvidia has largely only released RTX cards in that time frame. That is a very large upgrade window and if you're gaming on a GPU older than 5 years, well I'm sorry and you're likely in a small pool. So this argument is stale and outdated in 2023 when looking at the Nvidia market share. With AMD having less than 20% of the market share, we can safely assume that a huge percentage of gamers would benefit from DLSS being included over FSR. Not that I am arguing for that though. Instead all 3 should be present as they are quickly becoming nothing more than a plugin to add once one is added.

 

A modder has added DLSS and Frame Generation to both The Last of Us and Star Wars Jedi recently in just a few days to a week of work through his limited tools and resources, and this is a single person. I've used both and they work flawlessly. Arguing that DEVs with huge teams and resources can't do this in a day or 2 is just silly and quickly proven wrong. 

 

Sorry there is no defending anti consumer, anti competitive behavior, no matter what team you root for.