*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Hung out with brother @Falkentyne and Amaire from OCN at MC this morning.

Here is mine which I wont be keeping.

Nice to see you, Brother John. I hope that everything is wonderful for you and your family. Yeah, that looks like a horrible sample. Especially the E-core and MC. Looks like the Cache is also a bit weak. Needs a bit more for voltage for 50x than ideal.

[johnksss]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nice to see you, Brother John. I hope what everything is wonderful for you and your family. Yeah, that looks like a horrible sample. Especially the E-core and MC.

Everything is good, just going in a million directions and can't seem to stay planted on just 1 thing.😆

 

On the first bios it showed up as SP84, then on the flash it showed up as 101, but that VF is horrible. And I almost turned in my 13900KS SP112, but thought better of it! Also this chip wont boot my stock 8400's while my 13900KS does it with no trouble.

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Everything is good, just going in a million directions and can't seem to stay planted on just 1 thing.😆

 

On the first bios it showed up as SP84, then on the flash it showed up as 101, but that VF is horrible. And I almost turned in my 13900KS SP112, but thought better of it! Also this chip wont boot my stock 8400's while my 13900KS does it with no trouble.

Sometimes the SP ratings are jacked up and I have to flash down a version and then back up before I can see what the actual SP ratings are. Reflashing the same version on top often doesn't correct the erroneous numbers. I recently had a P-core rating of over 1,000 due to the firmware being jacked up. 

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Edit. Hmmm. This one was new for me. @Mr. Fox Can you please tell me what is Thermal Paste for Gamers? Can this Asus paste be used for vanilla computer users as etc old me? Hmmm.... I don't think so. Asus premium... $53 for 3 gram and useless add ons. Yep, I saw it today. On top they don't want to show of any thermal conductivity numbers. Yup, it has to be for gamers... And not for me. Do anyone know the thermal conductivity rating? Any Asus fanboys or gamers out there that know?😁

 

 

 

ASUS Launches ROG RG-07 Performance Thermal Paste for Gamers

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2023/10/17/asus-launches-rog-rg-07-performance-thermal-paste-for-gamers/

 

Edit.... For those that don't know 2.5 W/m.k

 

The small barrel with 33.84g Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme I bought for $110 USD a few months ago looks like a huge bargain compared. And that was an already disgusting price. $55 usd for 3 gram gamer paste from Asus is a scam. 

Looks like just another scam from the dumb-dumbs at the ASUS Chinese Clown Possee. They've figured out the zombie sheeple will rush to waste their money for anything with RGB or "Gamer" on the label, no matter how crappy it is.

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yup. Hope for the best. Be prepared for the worst. Never expect goodness, but be pleased when good comes your way. (If we all got what we deserved, most of us would be dead already, LOL.)

 

I just got a text from UPS and the expected delivery is Saturday.

Well, that didn' take long. Changed to Monday already. Not sure what the deal is with UPS and USPS, but it seems like they've been failing hard with delivery delays lately. I think maybe one of the last half-dozen deliveries have happened on time.

[johnksss]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sometimes the SP ratings are jacked up and I have to flash down a version and then back up before I can see what the actual SP ratings are. Reflashing the same version on top often doesn't correct the erroneous numbers. I recently had a P-core rating of over 1,000 due to the firmware being jacked up.

 

Yes, the SP can be jacked up, but that voltage curve does not change though. lol

[Mr. Fox]

1 minute ago, johnksss said:

Yes, the SP can be jacked up, but that voltage curve does not change though. lol

Well, good that you've got the ability to buy from Micro Center and giving them the defective trash back is little more than a minor inconvenience. 

[johnksss]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, good that you've got the ability to buy from Micro Center and giving them the defective trash back is little more than a minor inconvenience. 

Yep! and @Falkentyne went a total of 3 times today if I'm not mistaken.

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Yep! and @Falkentyne went a total of 3 times today if I'm not mistaken.

At the very least I'll be doing my 1-minute silicon check on the one coming from Central with the sheet of indium and CPU frame so it will still look like a virgin sample if it has to go back. If the VF curve looks like that it will take about 10 seconds in the BIOS to find out if I am keeping it or sending it back to them.

 

But, now I am wondering if I shouldn't just cancel my order and refuse delivery from UPS. This is shaping up to look like a scam product launch. If these are what cherry-picked KS CPUs look like, the only way a person can get an acceptable sample is purely by accident and the chances of getting a 14900K that is actually worth keeping is close to zero percent.

[johnksss]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Now I am wondering if I shouldn't just cancel my order and refuse delivery. At the very least I'll be doing my 1-minute silicon check on the one coming from Central with the sheet of indium and CPU frame so it will still look like a virgin sample if it has to go back. If the VF curve looks like that it will take about 10 seconds in the BIOS to find out if I am keeping it or sending it back to them.

 

If these are what cherry-picked CPUs look like, the only way a person can get an acceptable sample is purely by accident and the chances of getting a 14900K worth keeping is close to zero percent.

I will  say this. It was able to run 6.0/4.7, but with really crappy results. I did not take the time to even record the scores. I was seriously temped to just take it back without opening, but curiosity got the better of me. As long as they have no issue taking it back, then checking should be ok. I would not even take the time to waste valuable paste though as temps are not going to change that curve. Once you see it's worth your time....then use the good stuff. Personal opinion only. Technically if you have a beefy heat sink sitting around you could hold that on it and boot to bios.

 

Edit: Sorry, that was with me turning on the chiller to see if it could do 4.8E cores and 6.0 P cores.

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I will  say this. It was able to run 6.0/4.7, but with really crappy results. I did not take the time to even record the scores. I was seriously temped to just take it back without opening, but curiosity got the better of me. As long as they have no issue taking it back, then checking should be ok. I would not even take the time to waste valuable paste though as temps are not going to change that curve. Once you see it's worth your time....then use the good stuff. Personal opinion only. Technically if you have a beefy heat sink sitting around you could hold that on it and boot to bios.

The three that I returned to NewEgg and Amazon last month were tested with a sheet of indium sandwiched between the waterblock and heatsink and were not tested beyond a view of the VF curve and an F12 screenshot saved as evidence of unacceptability. No cleanup whatsoever. The indium sheet leaves no visible traces of installation and keeps the CPU as cool as cheap thermal paste.

[johnksss]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The three that I returned to NewEgg and Amazon last month were tested with a sheet of indium sandwiched between the waterblock and heatsink and were not tested beyond a view of the VF curve and an F12 screenshot saved as evidence of unacceptability. No cleanup whatsoever. The indium sheet leaves no visible traces of installation and keeps the CPU as cool as cheap thermal paste.

Where did you get those from?

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Where did you get those from?

The indium sheets? I got them from a place in Mesa, AZ (through Amazon) that sells industrial thermal products. Totally reusable. I've only cut square from a 100x100mm sheet that I have used about a half-dozen times. It never gets hot enough to melt or stick to the IHS or waterblock. It works about as well as KPx or MX-6 does on a CPU that has not been delidded as long as you cinch down the waterblock good and tight. You'll still be pushing 100°C in Cinebench, but it's totally acceptable for just about anything else. Works better than TG Kryosheet and isn't a fragile single-use option.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B092Z8QDS8

 

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QUOTE RobertoSampaio said:

For those who think a voltage of 1.40V is high...

 

Here are the curves of the new 14900KS...

It seems that the limit is indeed 1.72V... LOLOL.

 

 

 

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QUOTE MrFox said:

Wow. That's pretty unacceptable. Charge more for something inferior isn't a good marketing strategy. That 5.9 VF curve is worse than my 6.0 VF curve on my 14900KF. Looks like the E-cores and Cache voltage requirements on that KS also kind of suck.

 

I guess now we know why so little has been said by Intel about the 14900KS release, apart from the recycled press releases a few weeks ago to confirm the leak was true, there has been next to nothing. 

Interesting observations in the conclusion. Things are looking kind of sucky on both sides of the fence.

Overclocking enthusiasts:
Intel: higher power draw with minimal performance gain over K CPU, higher price tag

Gaming enthusiasts:

AMD: half the power draw, equally high temperatures, lower gaming performance, poor overclocking, cheaper

 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is shaping up to look like a scam product launch. If these are what cherry-picked KS CPUs look like, the only way a person can get an acceptable sample is purely by accident and the chances of getting a 14900K that is actually worth keeping is close to zero percent.

 

Here's one more. SP103

 

 

With all these awful KS results you can start wonder how much trash Intel bin for the vanilla K.  

 

@johnksss Nice to see you around. Hope life have treating you good the last year. 

[Raiderman]

6 hours ago, johnksss said:

Hung out with brother @Falkentyne and Amaire from OCN at MC this morning.

Here is mine which I wont be keeping.

Well hello brother @johnksss. Nice to see you!

[johnksss]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The indium sheets? I got them from a place in Mesa, AZ (through Amazon) that sells industrial thermal products. Totally reusable. I've only cut square from a 100x100mm sheet that I have used about a half-dozen times. It never gets hot enough to melt or stick to the IHS or waterblock. It works about as well as KPx or MX-6 does on a CPU that has not been delidded as long as you cinch down the waterblock good and tight. You'll still be pushing 100°C in Cinebench, but it's totally acceptable for just about anything else. Works better than TG Kryosheet and isn't a fragile single-use option.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B092Z8QDS8

 

 

I guess now we know why so little has been said by Intel about the 14900KS release, apart from the recycled press releases a few weeks ago to confirm the leak was true, there has been next to nothing. 

Interesting observations in the conclusion. Things are looking kind of sucky on both sides of the fence.

Overclocking enthusiasts:
Intel: higher power draw with minimal performance gain over K CPU, higher price tag

Gaming enthusiasts:

AMD: half the power draw, equally high temperatures, lower gaming performance, poor overclocking, cheaper

 

The like is for the link to the foil. I take it that is 0.1MM?

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Here's one more. SP103

 

 

With all these awful KS results you can start wonder how much trash Intel bin for the vanilla K.  

 

@johnksss Nice to see you around. Hope life have treating you good the last year. 

 

All is well, just been a bit busy with work and life in general. Haven't had time to sit and concentrate on the forums in a while. Plus a little gaming on the side as well. 🙂

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Well hello brother @johnksss. Nice to see you!

Hey bro, good to see you as well. 

[Talon]

Apparently I got decently lucky in the lottery this time. Now I'm kinda curious to go back today and grab another sample and see if those 5 at my local MC are decent bins. Mine was "Manufactured in the United States with Global Content". Made in the US of A. 😀

[johnksss]

5 minutes ago, Talon said:

Apparently I got decently lucky in the lottery this time. Now I'm kinda curious to go back today and grab another sample and see if those 5 at my local MC are decent bins. Mine was "Manufactured in the United States with Global Content". Made in the US of A. 😀

Mine says we have 1 left, but I'm not sure I want to waste time testing it..... If it's the USA version, maybe. As this one is from Israel.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

The like is for the link to the foil. I take it that is 0.1MM?

Yes. I have 0.1mm and 0.2mm and the 0.2mm is too thick and doesn't work well, even for temporary testing. It can't transfeer the heat as well as the 0.1mm foil. I haven't tried 0.05mm but I think it would too thin and fragile to be reusable. The 0.1mm works fantastic for short term testing. I think I could use it permanently on my work computer and not have any issues with thermals. 

  

12 minutes ago, Talon said:

Apparently I got decently lucky in the lottery this time. Now I'm kinda curious to go back today and grab another sample and see if those 5 at my local MC are decent bins. Mine was "Manufactured in the United States with Global Content". Made in the US of A. 😀

Wow, that must be something new. I have not seen an Intel CPU before that was labeled as made in USA. Most have been Taiwan (better ones) and China (often the worst). I wonder if it came from the plant here in AZ?

[johnksss]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes. I have 0.1mm and 0.2mm and the 0.2mm is too thick and doesn't work well, even for temporary testing. It can't transfeer the heat as well as the 0.1mm foil. I haven't tried 0.05mm but I think it would too thin and fragile to be reusable. The 0.1mm works fantastic for short term testing. I think I could use it permanently on my work computer and not have any issues with thermals. 

  

Wow, that must be something new. I have not seen an Intel CPU before that was labeled as made in USA. Most have been Taiwan (better ones) and China (often the worst). I wonder if it came from the plant here in AZ?

We actual had some USA chips, but one person was saying the good ones were made in Israel so we got those ones.... I guess that was not the case.😄

 

Edit: Ordered the 100x100 0.1MM version

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

Apparently I got decently lucky in the lottery this time. Now I'm kinda curious to go back today and grab another sample and see if those 5 at my local MC are decent bins. Mine was "Manufactured in the United States with Global Content". Made in the US of A. 😀

 

Looking at all the duds trickling in, I was thinking the same thing with your SP 105. It is actually decent compared to the influx of duds.

 

Worst case scenario, the second is a dud and you return it and call it a wrap with the SP 105.

 

 

[johnksss]

37 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Looking at all the duds trickling in, I was thinking the same thing with your SP 105. It is actually decent compared to the influx of duds.

 

Worst case scenario, the second is a dud and you return it and call it a wrap with the SP 105.

 

 

Don't let the return police hear you....

[Mr. Fox]

49 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Looking at all the duds trickling in, I was thinking the same thing with your SP 105. It is actually decent compared to the influx of duds.

 

Worst case scenario, the second is a dud and you return it and call it a wrap with the SP 105.

 

 

I would be satisfied to have one like that SP105 @Talon got. It is almost the same as the SP102 14900KF I have with SP114 P-cores, but the E-cores are better. I mean, who would not like having a god-tier chip? But, I don't need one to be content. I just need it not to be a boiling hot piece of crap that takes an absurd amount of voltage for stock or modest overclock and I think that I'm seeing too many examples of defective trash that will overheat running stock clocks.

[johnksss]

Well mine wont even boot my stock 8400 ram, so that is an automatic no go, return to store.

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Don't let the return police hear you....

 

11 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Well mine wont even boot my stock 8400 ram, so that is an automatic no go, return to store.

Yeah that is unacceptable. And, the return police wouldn't have a job if they were not throwing turds at the wall to see how many stick. It's actually shameful to think that they would expect people to  say nothing and be content with defective samples. They should expect people smart enough to know better to demand something acceptable, send back the trash and ask for an exchange or a refund.

[johnksss]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Yeah that is unacceptable. And, the return police wouldn't have a job if they were not throwing turds at the wall to see how many stick. It's actually shameful to think that they would expect people to be just say nothing and be content with defective samples. They should expect people smart enough to know better to demand something acceptable, send back the trash and ask for an exchange or a refund.

All I know is, they crack me up. I bet a Million to one, not one of those people are turning themselves in for defrauding the system in other more serious ways. And the same people claiming stuff just magically broke and think they should get a refund.🤣

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Looking at all the duds trickling in, I was thinking the same thing with your SP 105. It is actually decent compared to the influx of duds.

 

Worst case scenario, the second is a dud and you return it and call it a wrap with the SP 105.

 

 

If this is printed on the box and an "S" is tacked on the end of the product name because it is "special" then it needs to be special. If it is a KS and it is not better than a K, then it's not true and you were sold a bill of goods. You deserve to get your money back. There will always be duds, and duds should be exchanged at no cost to the purchaser. But, the average KS should always (100% of the time, not randomly) be better than the average K or you're getting screwed. If that is not illegal, it should be.