*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have a couple of these cheap $32.50 4TB NVMe out for delivery today. It will be interesting to see if they are good or garbage. They look like counterfeit Samsung NVMe but I don't care what brand, fake or not, as long as they work as intended. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806361905543.html 

  

I have been rocking a high-end ASUS 4K 144Hz monitor for a good while now and while it produces gorgeous images and games look super nice on it, I am still having a very difficult time liking 4K for normal daily use. The scaling sucks with any setting other than 100% and the rendering of text leaves a lot to be desired. Applications like CPU-Z and GPU-Z with lots of text are especially ugly-looking. Productivity apps (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc.) and web browsing look like pure crap at any scaling other than 100% and some things are just too small to be a pleasant reading experience at 100% scaling. IMHO, 2560x1440 is still the all-around best resolution for everything. Just set it to 100% scaling and everything is perfect-looking all the time. I always hated 4K laptop screens (and still do) because they are pretty miserable products to use, but even a 27-inch 4K screen a couple of feet away from my face is less pleasant to look at than 1440p.

 

 

lulz damn, at that price point 110% fake. please run some benches and let us know how theyre doing. also be sure to check the actual capacity, i.e. via this nifty lil tool: https://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/h2testw-14-gold-standard-in-detecting-usb-counterfeit-drives/comment-page-3/

 

it basically keeps on writing to any selected drive until its full, thus determining its actual physical capacity, no matter what the firmware / OS is saying.

[Papusan]

8 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

lulz damn, at that price point 110% fake. please run some benches and let us know how theyre doing. also be sure to check the actual capacity, i.e. via this nifty lil tool: https://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/h2testw-14-gold-standard-in-detecting-usb-counterfeit-drives/comment-page-3/

 

it basically keeps on writing to any selected drive until its full, thus determining its actual physical capacity, no matter what the firmware / OS is saying.

 

Why kill the drive before you can use it?😀 At least bro Fox knew what he risked. 

 

 

[jaybee83]

1 minute ago, Papusan said:

 

Why kill the drive before you can use it?😀 At least bro Fox knew what he risked. 

 

 

 

welp if u kill it by just filling it up once with data then it aint worth ur actual data lulz

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Have read about those before. I wouldn't trust my important data in that drives if you don't have an ongoing backup schedule running in the background. Samsung’s Magician Software can confirms that it's a counterfeit drive or not. The software always validates whether a drive is fake or not.

 

Edit. 

Fake Samsung 980 Pro SSDs Are Spreading Around

Mar 18, 2023 — The merchant sold fake Samsung 980 Pro 2TB SSDs on Xianyu, Taobao's second-hand market, for 880 yuan or $127.77

 

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I'm still not in so very good shape. Hence I post less. I have barely touched an pc for soon 2 weeks. But managed to order 2x 14900KS. But with my luck and Intel's trash binning for the last unlocked chips for 1700 platform, I doub't I will see good chips. Maybe better than my SP94 14900K but not much more.

 

At least my money from previous 14900KS is on the way back. That's something.

 

17780 nok is $1660 USD. Hail to the Norwegian TaX system (greed). Or equal disgusting as Intels binning for this gen KS chips.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully one of those 14900ks's is at least decent.

 

Hope you feel better soon @Papusan

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I'm done binning on LGA1700. I almost ended up with a 14900KS. But just decided to just be happy with my R batch. It runs great at 6.1P/4.9E I have been running this speed for about a week now daily. And I have just forgotten all about it. 

Using a manual SVID of 1.395V with LLC5 in the bios. 

Still have not stepped on it with heavy voltages. I have no doubt that 6.2 can be done with 1.300+ load V-core. But, staying in the 1.200's load range is a little better long term. 



 

 

Well, buying an expensive binned chip definitely takes out the lottery lows that's for sure. Pay more but know *exactly* what you're getting has its pluses. I just flat out opted to skip 14th gen after selling my 13900KS SP115 and stick with AMD this go around.

 

Let me know down the road when you want to jettison it out the escape hatch. 🙂

 

 

[Raiderman]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have a couple of these cheap $32.50 4TB NVMe out for delivery today. It will be interesting to see if they are good or garbage. They look like counterfeit Samsung NVMe but I don't care what brand, fake or not, as long as they work as intended. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806361905543.html 

  

I have been rocking a high-end ASUS 4K 144Hz monitor for a good while now and while it produces gorgeous images and games look super nice on it, I am still having a very difficult time liking 4K for normal daily use. The scaling sucks with any setting other than 100% and the rendering of text leaves a lot to be desired. Applications like CPU-Z and GPU-Z with lots of text are especially ugly-looking. Productivity apps (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc.) and web browsing look like pure crap at any scaling other than 100% and some things are just too small to be a pleasant reading experience at 100% scaling. IMHO, 2560x1440 is still the all-around best resolution for everything. Just set it to 100% scaling and everything is perfect-looking all the time. I always hated 4K laptop screens (and still do) because they are pretty miserable products to use, but even a 27-inch 4K screen a couple of feet away from my face is less pleasant to look at than 1440p.

 

Seen a review on Ali about a guy that ordered a $250 Rtx 4090, and received a box of plastic hangers 🤣

[chew]

On 4/1/2024 at 12:41 PM, Papusan said:

 

 

Fantastic score. But nope.... This is not the CPU death. And if it was.... AMD don't scale very well with sky high mem clocks. Still damn good score 🙂

 

show me one intel cpu doing this kind of memory score....... even if on ln2 with cores disabled........stripped OS etc etc.....

 

Just show me 1. 😉

 

 

[ryan]

@chew I gotta admit, that is impressive, and I find it funny how a low end forum like NBT houses basically the top 10 percent of all benchmarkers. like just about everyone is scoring top scores with given hardware.

 

I broke 9925 in timespy with my omen 16 pretty happy about that, and after applying tweaks im at a stand still with tweaking, no idea what to do next maybe a LOD tweak but I consider that cheating.

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

lulz damn, at that price point 110% fake. please run some benches and let us know how theyre doing. also be sure to check the actual capacity, i.e. via this nifty lil tool: https://sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/h2testw-14-gold-standard-in-detecting-usb-counterfeit-drives/comment-page-3/

 

it basically keeps on writing to any selected drive until its full, thus determining its actual physical capacity, no matter what the firmware / OS is saying.

 

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Why kill the drive before you can use it?😀 At least bro Fox knew what he risked. 

 

 

Nothing on it says Samsung and the label is made to look very similar. I don't care about that. China will be China: The land of shady business and scammers. They cannot be trusted at anything.

 

They're both definitely 4TB. The speed is Gen 1 not Gen 4. But that may be a firmware issue because some reviewers posted screenshots showing advertised Gen 4 speeds. 

 

Honestly it's twice as fast as a SATA SSD so for cheap storage in a 4TB capacity I'm not going to complain about the speed. It doesn't need to be fast to hold files and twice as fast as SATA SSD is it good enough for $32.50 if it is durable. I plan to use it for installing a buttload of games not for important data. I'm going to test one of them inside of a USB 3.0 NVMe enclosure and I bet the read and write speeds are going to be the same as in a PCIe 4x slot.

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These are not something you would want to use for sensitive or important data, but for something like a large drive to install games or use in a USB enclosure it's OK. Much faster than SATA or normal USB flash memory for smaller file transfers. I can transfer a 30GB Macrium Reflect image to it with acceptable speed, but a 60GB file slows down about half way through. The cache probably is too small. But, honestly for $32.50 I can't complain as long as it doesn't die unexpectedly. Had I paid $100 for it that would be unacceptable. It does not perform at the advertised Gen 4 speed, but I do not need it to for how I plan to use it.

[Raiderman]

1 hour ago, chew said:

 

show me one intel cpu doing this kind of memory score....... even if on ln2 with cores disabled........stripped OS etc etc.....

 

Just show me 1. 😉

 

 

That's unfair, you are a ram wizard...those numbers are nuts bro.

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, chew said:

 

show me one intel cpu doing this kind of memory score....... even if on ln2 with cores disabled........stripped OS etc etc.....

 

Just show me 1. 😉

 

 

 

You stilll need fix that single core mem score🙂 Here's two from AMD. And the G. Skill competition for 2024 haven't really started.

 

https://browser.geekbench.com/v3/cpu/9057788

 

https://browser.geekbench.com/v3/cpu/9075746

 

AMD do it good in older Geekbench 3 but wish they could do it better in the other +50 2d and 3D benches on hwbot. But, huhhh. Better be good in one thing than nothing.

 

It's very difficult to be top one in all and everything. Even less so if some of the subtests favor the other brands hardware. But that's life. In the most 🙂

[johnksss]

Yeah, I did not want to rain on Chew's parade...😰🤣

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Yeah, I did not want to rain on Chew's parade...😰🤣

 

Yup, even if you are a very good mem tweaker you'll still struggle to reach him up to the legs with his nice Geek 3 memory results 🙂

 

Snapdragon X Elite is faster than Intel and AMD flagship CPUs in Geekbench

Laptops powered by the Snapdragon X Elite are coming later this year

 

Here's the next so called 2 dimm OC board. Once again in baby MB factor. It seems mini boards is the big now if you want mem oc'ing (same concept as MSI' latest mini MPower board). But this is not for me.

 

(PR) ASRock launches Z790I and B760I Mini-ITX motherboards with DDR5-8600 OC memory support

 

 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

They're both definitely 4TB. The speed is Gen 1 not Gen 4. But that may be a firmware issue because some reviewers posted screenshots showing advertised Gen 4 speeds. 

 

Hmm. God so long. Can you find any info on the components so you can search up the brand?

[Reciever]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Nothing on it says Samsung and the label is made to look very similar. I don't care about that. China will be China: The land of shady business and scammers. They cannot be trusted at anything.

 

They're both definitely 4TB. The speed is Gen 1 not Gen 4. But that may be a firmware issue because some reviewers posted screenshots showing advertised Gen 4 speeds. 

 

Honestly it's twice as fast as a SATA SSD so for cheap storage in a 4TB capacity I'm not going to complain about the speed. It doesn't need to be fast to hold files and twice as fast as SATA SSD is it good enough for $32.50 if it is durable. I plan to use it for installing a buttload of games not for important data. I'm going to test one of them inside of a USB 3.0 NVMe enclosure and I bet the read and write speeds are going to be the same as in a PCIe 4x slot.

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These are not something you would want to use for sensitive or important data, but for something like a large drive to install games or use in a USB enclosure it's OK. Much faster than SATA or normal USB flash memory for smaller file transfers. I can transfer a 30GB Macrium Reflect image to it with acceptable speed, but a 60GB file slows down about half way through. The cache probably is too small. But, honestly for $32.50 I can't complain as long as it doesn't die unexpectedly. Had I paid $100 for it that would be unacceptable. It does not perform at the advertised Gen 4 speed, but I do not need it to for how I plan to use it.

 

Would you mind testing with something like H2Testw? 

 

Unless you have already done something similar? It essentially will write dummy data to the drive to verify its capacity. From what I understand the software is free to use. (Haven't used it personally)

 

Otherwise the results are promising, obviously not blazing fast but still more than enough for what I would use it for (Games and VM's) Thanks for sharing what you have thus far! 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hmm. God so long. Can you find any info on the components so you can search up the brand?

Nothing. I spent a long time searching and even the brand is unidentifiable.

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Would you mind testing with something like H2Testw? 

 

Unless you have already done something similar? It essentially will write dummy data to the drive to verify its capacity. From what I understand the software is free to use. (Haven't used it personally)

 

Otherwise the results are promising, obviously not blazing fast but still more than enough for what I would use it for (Games and VM's) Thanks for sharing what you have thus far! 

As much as I thought it was going to be usable for the intended purpose it will not be. I'm going to have to RMA them. They were both working acceptably as noted, but after a significant round of strenuous workout the one I decided to punish is failing. Now it cannot be formatted and has unusable space on it. And, now Macrium cannot back up to it, so they're junk. Got to love China crap. Sometimes it works out OK and sometimes not.

After running a diskpart "clean all" command (writes zeroes to the entire drive) it has a 2MB area that is not accessible and it formatted as a "Basic Data Partition" and cannot be reformatted.

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Reliability would always be a concern. I ran another clean command on it and reclaimed the space and it reformatted properly and I could create a Macrium Image. I think it could live with the slowness for simple file storage and disposable data like game libraries, but I think reliability is too sketchy at this point. I would always be wondering when it would stop working.

 

 

[Reciever]

18 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nothing. I spent a long time searching and even the brand is unidentifiable.

As much as I thought it was going to be usable for the intended purpose it will not be. I'm going to have to RMA them. They were both working acceptably as noted, but after a significant round of strenuous workout the one I decided to punish is failing. Now it cannot be formatted and has unusable space on it. And, now Macrium cannot back up to it, so they're junk. Got to love China crap. Sometimes it works out OK and sometimes not.

After running a diskpart "clean all" command (writes zeroes to the entire drive) it has a 2MB area that is not accessible and it formatted as a "Basic Data Partition" (which I have never heard of) and cannot be reformatted.

 

While not good news I did still chuckle at "W11 Cancer" lol

 

Have you tried to set up the drive exclusively through cmd? I sometimes have issues with Disk Management albeit, fairly uncommon. 

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Reciever said:

While not good news I did still chuckle at "W11 Cancer" lol

 

Have you tried to set up the drive exclusively through cmd? I sometimes have issues with Disk Management albeit, fairly uncommon. 

Yes, that is my preferred way of doing it. I've done it both ways and it randomly succeeds and randomly fails.

 

I will go back to using my affordable and ever-reliable 2TB Silicon Power NVMe drives for my game libraries. I will just spend a little more and replace them with 4TB drives later on. 2TB is just too small if you install lots of modern AAA game space hogs. It's ridiculous how much space some of them gobble up.

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I plan to use it for installing a buttload of games not for important data.

 

Yup. Here you was spot on. Same as me below. But I expect quite a few people never think in the same way. 

 

And as I have mentioned before... Buy needed ssds now if you find them at a good price.

 

Edit. https://www.techspot.com/news/102473-ssd-price-hike-hits-buyers-hard-double-digit.html

 

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

I wouldn't trust my important data in that drives if you don't have an ongoing backup schedule running in the background.

 

 

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Got to love China crap. Sometimes it works out OK and sometimes not.

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup. Here you was spot on. Same as me below. But I expect quite a few people never think the same way. 

 

 

 

 

Some people are really snobby when it comes to storage and think they need to buy only the best and most expensive name-brand storage to hold files. I think that is true and super important to store crucial files that would be painful or even devastating to lose. You need that as well as backups. I don't have terabytes of files like that and none of those files are gigantic. And, because I make Macrium Reflect images, losing a cheap drive holding an OS isn't even something I care too about much.

 

But for disposable junk like games and benchmark screenshots and files that don't matter in the grand scheme of things I think it is kind of silly to waste lots of money on overpriced brand name drives. Kind of like paying extra for fancy toilet paper that you are going to use to wipe your bottom and flush. Nope... I don't think so. Cheap and big is the way to go. 

[Papusan]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Some people are really snobby when it comes to storage and think they need to best and most expensive to hold files. I think that is true and super important to store crucial files that would be painful or even devastating to lose. You need that as well as backups. But for disposable junk like games and benchmark screenshots and files that don't matter in the grand scheme of things I think it is kind of silly to waste lots of money on overpriced brand name drives. Kind of like paying extra for fancy toilet paper that you are going to use to wipe your bottom and flush. I don't think so. Cheap and big is the way to go.

 

Yes, sure that. But I would still buy ssd's that I need to be sure works. Cheap can it be but it need to work as intended. And even more important in an expensive place to live as here home. 

 

A know brand is better than a brand I don't know of. The price difference isn't very huge between them. I rather pay 10% extra for something I know work reliable. And I re-use ssds for backups so (going for bigger ssds I reuse the smaller ones). 

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yes, sure that. But I would still buy ssd's that I need to be sure works. Cheap can it be but it need to work as intended. And even more important in an expensive place to live as here home. 

Indeed. That is why I am going to RMA these. They were cheap enough that losing $32.50 x 2 wouldn't be the end of the world, but if I can't use them as intended then I want my money back. I would have been OK with them being slow and not performing at advertised speeds because they were so cheap. And, I would be OK with using them in USB enclosures. Not being sure they would continue working from one day to the next is the problem here. I am glad I decided to punish one of them to see if it would stand up to the abuse.

[Papusan]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Indeed. That is why I am going to RMA these. They were cheap enough that losing $32.50 x 2 wouldn't be the end of the world, but if I can't use them as intended then I want my money back. I would have been OK with them being slow and not performing at advertised speeds because they were so cheap. And, I would be OK with using them in USB enclosures. Not being sure they would continue working one day to the next is the problem here.

 

You bought M.2 ssd's so back they go. If it was with an enclosure I would keept them for cut up and see🙂

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

You bought M.2 ssd's so back they go. If it was with an enclosure I would keept them for cut up and see🙂

I have one 1TB SSDs in old Seagate SATA enclosures that had cheap and small HDDs in them that I took out and threw away and they work to my satisfaction. The Seagate enclosures are made better than the cheap garbage empty enclosures on Amazon. They have been very reliable even though the original drives were discarded. You can pick us old USB drives like that super cheap at garage sales and don't have to care about the drives inside being too small or even functional.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have one 1TB SSDs in old Seagate SATA enclosures that had cheap and small HDDs in them that I took out and threw away and they work to my satisfaction. The Seagate enclosures are made better than the cheap garbage empty enclosures on Amazon. They have been very reliable even though the original drives were discarded.

 

See my older post here. The ASUS ROG Strix Arion SSD Enclosure trash from Asus. A known brand doesn't mean you get fantastic. The whole box died and dragged with the ssd in the death. Lucky for him.... It was an old re-used ssd for game library 

 

 

Edit @electrosoft Thanks for the kind words. 

 

Interesting videos......

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

See my older post here. The ASUS ROG Strix Arion SSD Enclosure trash from Asus. A known brand doesn't mean you get fantastic. The whole box died and draged with the ssd in the death. Lucky for him.... It was an old re-used ssd for game library 

 

 

But, it had RGB so you know it had to be good.

 

ASUS is an excellent example of a brand that built a following of dedicated fanboys even though they no longer produce consistently good products. They will sell their overpriced garbage to their fanboys and the fanboys will excuse their mistakes again and again. Much in the same way as the irrational Dell/Alienware brand-worshippers that pay extra for it and swear that their poop doesn't stink. 

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Much in the same way as the irrational Dell/Alienware brand-worshippers that pay extra for it and swear that their poop doesn't stink. 

 

You forgot Apple😵 One thing for sure.... I would prefer my dog follow me anyday over this stupidity. But it's Apple. Their next gen HW will sell. And for massive premium. 

 

Apple is reportedly working on a little robot that can follow you around your home

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/97332/apple-is-reportedly-working-on-little-robot-that-can-follow-you-around-your-home/index.html