*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[TheQuentincc]

On 6/16/2022 at 3:12 AM, Reciever said:

@khenglish 980 DT modification with the desktop vram. Pretty outside of the scope of my skills though. Shame I haven't seen him make it over here. 

I should email him the "new" forum then haha

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Papusan said:

Maybe you rather want Intel's brand new Arc A-series GPUs? 😀 They should be a bit cheaper than the cards you'll get from Nvidia/AMD.

Scrap it bro @Mr. Fox. You should go for AMD😀 

 

AMD vs Nvidia: Who Makes the Best GPUs?

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Scrap it bro @Mr. Fox. You should go for AMD😀 

 

AMD vs Nvidia: Who Makes the Best GPUs?

 

LOL... uh... no...

Literally every product I have owned that was made by AMD was garbage. 

I have zero confidence in their ability to produce quality products.

 

Maybe I wouldn't be so dead set against them if I purchased low-end components and didn't care about overclocking.  I don't care that an RX 6600 crushes a 3050. I wouldn't waste my money on either of those products. But, that said, the Ryzen 9 5950X was also an abortion and one of the worst purchase decisions I have made in a decade.

 

[electrosoft]

Supply and Demand in full effect; Gigabyte 3090ti $500 off $1649:

 

[Mr. Fox]

18 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Supply and Demand in full effect; Gigabyte 3090ti $500 off $1649:

 

Dang, huge price drop. Nice to see it. Hopefully, we will see it drop by another $300-$500 in a desperate move to eliminate 30-series stock before 40-series releases. I probably wouldn't be overly excited about buying a Gigabutt brand GPU, but I probably would grab an EVGA or ASUS 3090 Ti for $1000-1200 even though I don't really have any compelling reason to want one.

 

It will also be interesting to see what kind of prices and availability we will see with 4090. I will be curious to see if supply is kept artificially lower than demand so they can make the prices fluffier than warranted.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Supply and Demand in full effect; Gigabyte 3090ti $500 off $1649:

 

3090 Ti should have been the 3090. Aka $1500 at release. Near two years old and soon replaced. $1600 is all too much for this #old# graphics card. Let Nvidia/and their partners learn how it feels to be screwed. No thanks! 

 

 

See from 6:50.

 

[electrosoft]

22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

3090 Ti should have been the 3090. Aka $1500 at release. Near two years old and soon replaced. $1600 is all too much for this #old# graphics card. Let Nvidia/and their partners learn how it feels to be screwed. No thanks! 

 

 

See from 6:50.

 

 

Absolutely and to watch the market disintegrate like this is rather satisfying.....

 

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Dang, huge price drop. Nice to see it. Hopefully, we will see it drop by another $300-$500 in a desperate move to eliminate 30-series stock before 40-series releases. I probably wouldn't be overly excited about buying a Gigabutt brand GPU, but I probably would grab an EVGA or ASUS 3090 Ti for $1000-1200 even though I don't really have any compelling reason to want one.

 

It will also be interesting to see what kind of prices and availability we will see with 4090. I will be curious to see if supply is kept artificially lower than demand so they can make the prices fluffier than warranted.

 

I definitely think they will keep tumbling down. We've reached the point where KPE 3090's are now in stock normally too but EVGA is still listing them at full $2119.99 MSRP. Even 3090ti hybrids are fully in stock at 2199.99 and I suspect they will be sitting there rotting IMHO.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Reviews like this are very meaningful and drive fanboys crazy. They get swept under the rug and ignored, and you don't see the YouTube reviewers that get stuff sent to them for free making comments like this. I haven't posted a negative review of the 5950X as a verified purchaser, but I probably should.

49 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Absolutely and to watch the market disintegrate like this is rather satisfying.....

It certainly is. Extremely satisfying. Second only to miners that have multiple thousands of dollar of GPUs that are worth less than half what they paid for them and not being able to cover the cost of them due to the loss of value of the cryptocurrency. Could not have happened to a more deserving industry. I hope it gets worse.

43 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I definitely think they will keep tumbling down. We've reached the point where KPE 3090's are now in stock normally too but EVGA is still listing them at full $2119.99 MSRP. Even 3090ti hybrids are fully in stock at 2199.99 and I suspect they will be sitting there rotting IMHO.

Yeah, still way too much money. I am glad my GPU has held its value, but it doesn't deserve to. I paid more for it than it was worth (stupid on my part). Unfortunately, I do not expect EVGA, ASUS or others may ever offer their components at a rock bottom price to customers that deserve to see those prices. They will probably sell whatever stock is left at a massive loss to a wholesaler rather than giving the benefit to customers. That is the messed up way that business works. Not just computer components, but other things as well, including cars. Dealers will auction off huge inventories of used cars and leftover new inventory at a loss representing a fraction of what they are worth to avoid giving an opportunity for the public to purchase them at or near the same price. That's really messed up.

[Papusan]

Ethereum Miners Spent $15 Billion on GPUs Alone During Latest Cryptocraze tomshardware.com

Based on data from JPR, desktop GPU sales totaled $51.8 billion for all of 2021. That was spread across the 49.021 million GPUs sold — a four-year high. As far as average pricing is concerned, we're talking about $1,056 per unit in 2021, which is about two times higher than the average price for a high-end graphics card in Q3 2019

 

Nonetheless, 14.2 million is significant given that we're talking about six quarters when Ethereum mining thrived. In fact, from Q4 2020 through Q1 2022, about 73.55 million desktop discrete GPUs shipped. Keeping in mind that nowadays the market of standalone GPUs splits roughly 50:50 between desktops and laptops, it looks like Ethereum might have consumed about 10% of the whole discrete GPU output from Q4 2020 to the end of Q1 2022. 

 

The 10% help from the miners helped Nvidia and its partners maxing out profits (double up the MSRP). And Nvidia got the needed help raise the price point so they can make better profits for coming gen cards. We will see 🙂 

 

[Reciever]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Reviews like this are very meaningful and drive fanboys crazy. They get swept under the rug and ignored, and you don't see the YouTube reviewers that get stuff sent to them for free making comments like this. I haven't posted a negative review of the 5950X as a verified purchaser, but I probably should.

It certainly is. Extremely satisfying. Second only to miners that have multiple thousands of dollar of GPUs that are worth less than half what they paid for them and not being able to cover the cost of them due to the loss of value of the cryptocurrency. Could not have happened to a more deserving industry. I hope it gets worse.

Yeah, still way too much money. I am glad my GPU has held its value, but it doesn't deserve to. I paid more for it than it was worth (stupid on my part). Unfortunately, I do not expect EVGA, ASUS or others may ever offer their components at a rock bottom price to customers that deserve to see those prices. They will probably sell whatever stock is left at a massive loss to a wholesaler rather than giving the benefit to customers. That is the messed up way that business works. Not just computer components, but other things as well, including cars. Dealers will auction off huge inventories of used cars and leftover new inventory at a loss representing a fraction of what they are worth to avoid giving an opportunity for the public to purchase them at or near the same price. That's really messed up.

Horizon: Zero Dawn is a notoriously picky title. I gave up keeping up with updates on that title since the title required AVX2 which means I had to listen to the x58 die hards howl into the moon until they got their way.

 

When I installed the "required" driver, I had screen flickering issues (was a hotfix driver). I just reverted back to what ever I was on with my 5700xt and played the game despite the warnings from the game that it was the wrong driver.

 

I take product reviews about as serious as reading politics on imgur. I go to the forums for actual feedback worth considering. Now if that review had some actual troubleshooting bullets it would give it more weight. Launching 1 title and raging about AMD software to which we would assume would mean AMD Drivers because details are just details, screams to me much like a spoiled child would when not getting a free car for their 17th birthday.

[Ashtrix]

Any advice is appreciated.

 

Basic Idea of build and parts...

I got my final build panned out, already built 3/4 of it & waiting for Corsair SATA sleeved cables because the motherboard has criss-cross arrangement of 8x SATA ports and the stock cables are too hard and the plug is also long causing a massive PITA. Now only final pieces are left. I'm still thinking on the AIO vs Noctua DH15 Chromax because of pump whine, noise etc vs full air with high static pressure fans.

 

AIO Choice - Arctic LF II 360mil

 

A) The Meshify 2XL won't fit top 420mil LF II in storage layout**

B) no RGB trash and no annoying garbage software needed to control AIO it goes to the header and Mobo controls it, irrespective of the OS machine is running. Plus the Radiator is thicker than usual crowd.

 

Case choice - Fractal Meshify 2XL

 

Phanteks Enthoo Evolv X - It looks all great but It cannot sustain 8-10 SATA Enterprise class HDD with 7200RPM and cool the rig due to it's front panel being completely closed off and top also with minimal vents.

 

Lian Li O11D XL is a big nope as it has poor design for HDDs as they will be running at hot temps in the side of case with ZERO ventilation. Esp when you consider with WD and Seagate Enterprise / NAS class drives which run at 7200RPM and need to be cooled properly.  Nobody even mentioned this at all because this case has 4x 3.5" option but 4 of them will die lol if I use their stupid cage.

 

Corsair 7000D is having good accommodation with venting option for 6x 3.5" drives but the biggest issue is Corsair's HDD Cage is shoddy as it will rattle (GamersNexus review mentioned it).

 

Moving on...

 

Case cooling**

So the Meshify 2XL is basically having Noctua NFA12x25 Chromax (120mil high static pressure top of the line fans), 4x in the front, 1x in the rear. Also have 4 of the NFA12x25 Noctuas left with me as I mentioned in the Storage layout I can fit either 480mil which is 120mmx4 fans of Noctua NFA12x25 OR 360mil AIO since we do not have 480mil AIO the 420mil LFII is again using 140mil fans which won't fit because the Storage pane obstructs the fan screw locations, so couldn't get the bigger AIO from Arctic.

 

And I'm using the storage layout because I plan to use all 8x SATA ports on the motherboard, with 1-2 being SATA SSDs and rest 6 drives being WD Red or Gold or Seagate Exos. Maybe add an HBA SAS expander to the PCIe3.0x4 (won't cut the CPU lanes) at a later point if possible to get more drives maybe 10-12 in the chassis which is the future plan and future proofing just in case as I do not have a NAS machine and do not intend to build one anytime soon want to have my data in my only machine and access at my fingertips. I do not use a phone to consume movies or such it's all my PC only.

 

 

Now the question....

 

So would you suggest going with the AIO which LF II 360mil over DH15 + 4x NFA12x25 fans on top ?

If yes I have one more thing, I read the LF II uses fan cabling in sleeving which is really a novel thing, and makes the machine look very neat.

 

But how do I replace the fans or should I even replace the 3x Arctic P12s with 3x Noctua NFA12x25 Chromax. (I like how Noctua fans have rubber anti vibration pads while P12s from Arctic do not and overall the Noctuas do not have any hum or other noises across the full fan RPM curve), and plug into the mobo,

 

Option A - Using the existing LF II 360s wiring from the fans to the AIO which goes to pump and that whole thing controls the entire AIO is that a good method ?

 

Option B - Or Should I route them separately ? but in this case I cannot even load all 3 because no splitters available for Noctua which can take 3x fans and more over only AIO header will take all 3 as loading more fans will cause overload on any other mobo fan header due to high wattage.

 

Thanks for your time.

 

P.S - Found this thread for some basic info, https://www.overclock.net/threads/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-is-it-possible-to-replace-the-fans.1751708/

[Mr. Fox]

56 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Horizon: Zero Dawn is a notoriously picky title. I gave up keeping up with updates on that title since the title required AVX2 which means I had to listen to the x58 die hards howl into the moon until they got their way.

 

When I installed the "required" driver, I had screen flickering issues (was a hotfix driver). I just reverted back to what ever I was on with my 5700xt and played the game despite the warnings from the game that it was the wrong driver.

 

I take product reviews about as serious as reading politics on imgur. I go to the forums for actual feedback worth considering. Now if that review had some actual troubleshooting bullets it would give it more weight. Launching 1 title and raging about AMD software to which we would assume would mean AMD Drivers because details are just details, screams to me much like a spoiled child would when not getting a free car for their 17th birthday.

I think a large percentage of the people buying laptops and desktop components are not very tech savvy. Most of them max out their skills installing drivers or running a Windows update. Many can't even manage that effectively. They need everything to be easy and extremely low skill, so in that respect I think reviews like these are demonstrative of their low skill as well as shortcomings of the products they purchased. They certainly aren't smart enough to identify the game they want to play is a buggy piece of trash. Suggesting they need to tune things or test a variety of drivers turns them inside-out. They just expect it to work. It's probably not an unrealistic expectation, notwithstanding the fact that their lack of knowledge and technical skill compounds the problem. In great part, I think this is one of the reasons why game consoles are so successful. Of course, another obvious reason is the cost of purchasing the console is a lot less than a competent gaming PC. (They don't count the high cost of console games and monthly subscription fees. They are apparently not very good at math either LOL.)

[Reciever]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think a large percentage of the people buying laptops and desktop components are not very tech savvy. Most of them max out their skills installing drivers or running a Windows update. Many can't even manage that effectively. They need everything to be easy and extremely low skill, so in that respect I think reviews like these are demonstrative of their low skill as well as shortcomings of the products they purchased. They certainly aren't smart enough to identify the game they want to play is a buggy piece of trash. Suggesting they need to tune things or test a variety of drivers turns them inside-out. They just expect it to work. It's probably not an unrealistic expectation, notwithstanding the fact that their lack of knowledge and technical skill compounds the problem. In great part, I think this is one of the reasons why game consoles are so successful. Of course, another obvious reason is the cost of purchasing the console is a lot less than a competent gaming PC. (They don't count the high cost of console games and monthly subscription fees. They are apparently not very good at math either LOL.)

True enough. 

 

When I read that review it sounds like they somehow found the one rock on this earth that didn't have a note about ddu, let alone mention if he bothered to uninstall the Nvidia drivers (unless I missed it?). If so then it's entirely a pebkac scenario, whining about a clutch without knowing what that mystical third pedal is for lol. 

 

This isn't exactly the 4870x2 days where if the game didn't see the 2 gpu's you were basically screwed. Though I do miss that era, I preferred buying an x60 and just adding another x60 later, still bothers me a bit. 

[Papusan]

21 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

Now the question....

 

So would you suggest going with the AIO which LF II 360mil over DH15 + 4x NFA12x25 fans on top ?

If yes I have one more thing, I read the LF II uses fan cabling in sleeving which is really a novel thing, and makes the machine look very neat.

 

But how do I replace the fans or should I even replace the 3x Arctic P12s with 3x Noctua NFA12x25 Chromax. (I like how Noctua fans have rubber anti vibration pads while P12s from Arctic do not and overall the Noctuas do not have any hum or other noises across the full fan RPM curve), and plug into the mobo,

 

Option A - Using the existing LF II 360s wiring from the fans to the AIO which goes to pump and that whole thing controls the entire AIO is that a good method ?

 

Option B - Or Should I route them separately ? but in this case I cannot even load all 3 because no splitters available for Noctua which can take 3x fans and more over only AIO header will take all 3 as loading more fans will cause overload on any other mobo fan header due to high wattage.

 

Thanks for your time.

 

P.S - Found this thread for some basic info, https://www.overclock.net/threads/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-is-it-possible-to-replace-the-fans.1751708/

Hi bro Ashtrix. Forget use an air cooler. 

 

Regarding the fans for the AIO. I have replaced them with better fans who is directly connected to the MB. I have the Corsair chassis aka have the Corsair commander center. But I don't use it. I prefer manual or tuned fans from the MB. And if you want the fans connected to the pump and you want to regulate the fans, the pump will be affected by this. Low fan speed means you'll force the pump to run at lower speed. Not adviced. The fan pump need to run at max rated speed (but there is no noise run it this way).

 

I have rolled up the original fan cable for the fans and stripped them / hidden them (having them still in there means I can sell this AIO complete kit with the original fans later). You could of course remove them totally if that is something you want/prefer. But don't connect much stronger fans on the same fan cable from the pump head if you want to swap out the weak fans for something better. 

 

A new baby. GTX 480. The famous first gen Fermi. A nice hot running card. Once I boot up into Windows the GPU run 41C, LOOL

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5021020_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_480_78798_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5020984_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_480_521326_marks

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5021280_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_480_47390_marks?recalculate=true

[ryan]

wow you guys have been busy chatting away....I just got back from my vacation....

 

Hopefully I can beat 12100 in cinebench r23 I really want to see talons r23.

 

also anyone else think i'd benefit from liquid metal pasting...I think to get 144fps locked ill need better cpu performance

 

and btw I love you guys, keeping me sane-ish

[ryan]

 

now i know i beat 12k a while back but with dust build up and other factors my new best is around 11k..im very close to repasting with ic diamond or liquid metal as with the settings in games i prefer im always cpu bottlenecked

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, ryan said:

wow you guys have been busy chatting away....I just got back from my vacation....

 

Hopefully I can beat 12100 in cinebench r23 I really want to see talons r23.

 

also anyone else think i'd benefit from liquid metal pasting...I think to get 144fps locked ill need better cpu performance

 

and btw I love you guys, keeping me sane-ish

haha whats making you risk going insane-ish? 🙂 good to have u back man! hope the vacay was good, mine is up next friday, wooo 😁

[Mr. Fox]

I really need a vacation, too. Real bad.

 

Maintenance of sanity does not apply to high performance computing. The opposite is preferrable. We want to be crazy, go nuts and see insanely high clock speeds, voltage, power consumption, and insanely low temperatures. The more insane those things become the happier we are (or should be).

 

I'd love to see something like 25GHz at 3.500V and 1300W in Cinebench.

 

Yes brother @ryan as long as contact between the CPU/GPU dies and heat sink cold plates is correct a liquid metal paste job should help.

[TheQuentincc]

On 6/17/2022 at 1:20 PM, TheQuentincc said:

I should email him the "new" forum then haha

So he responded me saying he was busy lately and didn't have time to play around with hardware mod so he don't have much to say 🙂

At least he knows that a "new" forum exist 😉 

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I really need a vacation, too. Real bad.

 

 

Ditto. The wife lets me know daily she's ready and has reached the point of when I ask her, "where to?" she said, "I don't care. Just....away."

 

First time ever after all these years, though, she wants to make sure I have a gaming laptop set up for her to take with us so she can play WoW and stay connected to work since the Pandemic they set up a whole remote network infrastructure.

 

 

[Reciever]

I just took a short vacation and ready to look for employment elsewhere lol. 

[jaybee83]

21 minutes ago, Reciever said:

I just took a short vacation and ready to look for employment elsewhere lol. 

lol that sounds like an epiphany struck 😄 

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, ryan said:

wow you guys have been busy chatting away....I just got back from my vacation....

You should have been on vaccation to bro Papusan and enjoyed the disgusting weather we have her near the North pole. Yep, sleet, snow, rain and hail. And nice warming 8.5C degrees (yep, no sun) and we are in the middle of summer and the sun turns in 3 four days. This spring and summer we have almost not seen the sun. Aka a full race back to the dreaded dark season (rain, snow, wind, the dark and cold) without seeing much sun in the summer part. I HATE IT!

 

 

 

Yep, no sun on my place...

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5021464_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_480_158425_marks?recalculate=true

 

[Ashtrix]

20 hours ago, Papusan said:

Hi bro Ashtrix. Forget use an air cooler. 

 

Regarding the fans for the AIO. I have replaced them with better fans who is directly connected to the MB. I have the Corsair chassis aka have the Corsair commander center. But I don't use it. I prefer manual or tuned fans from the MB. And if you want the fans connected to the pump and you want to regulate the fans, the pump will be affected by this. Low fan speed means you'll force the pump to run at lower speed. Not adviced. The fan need to run at max rated speed (but there is no noise run it this way).

 

I have rolled up the original fan cable for the fans and stripped them / hidden them (having them still in there means I can sell this AIO complete kit with the original fans later). You could of course remove them totally if that is something you want/prefer. But don't connect much stronger fans on the same fan cable from the pump head if you want to swap out the weak fans for something better.

 

 

 

Thank you bro Papu. I went with Arctic LF II AIO, mounted it with a lot of hassle because storage pane had to be installed first (not HDDs themselves yet & good that I went with XL version, the basic one would have been PITA with it's small size) and then AIO, and only a pair of hands. Removed those Arctic P12s and replaced with Noctua NFA12x25 Chromax and controlling them through CPU headers on mobo, 2x fans go to one header. Then rear one + one more on the radiator go into another header, so did not overload anything here. Should be pretty good and also every single fan can be controlled through BIOS / Mobo.

 

Also rolled that Arctic's fan cabling and tucked it to sideways to hide it. For thermal paste I'm going with Thermalright TFX. A few more finishing touches and soon I should it and running unfortunately I shattered the Tempered Glass by mistake now I have to pay $40-50 for the replacement.