*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

7 hours ago, Rage Set said:

Hey Gentlemen,

 

I know it has been awhile but I've been away trying to build my business...likely a bad move now that we are heading into a recession. My initial plan was to get a level 2 IT position at a local company that didn't require me to be on call or needed on the weekends while slowly building my business. That company put a freeze on hiring for the position I was going to get, however, they offered me a higher position which required a lot more hours and to be on call...I declined. LOL. That was very stupid on my part.

 

With that said, I have savings to hold me for a little while, as I contemplate my next move. In the meantime, I may offer my 3090's (Asus White 3090 and EVGA 3090 Hybrid) for dirt cheap up here for you guys. I will continue to lurk in the shadows on this forum and perhaps post a benchmark here and there. 

 

Sorry to hear bro but at least you're out there taking calculated swings and chances. I have at least 3 of those under my belt and one of them had me liquidating a large chunk of my collectables years ago to make ends meet while I recovered due to a bad business partner. You'll land on your feet.  Good luck!

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Amazon could not replace/exchange the CPU only because it was a bundle, but they agreed to send me another bundle so I can return the old CPU along with the new unopened motherboard that comes as a replacement, but return only the old CPU (not my mobo). Hopefully, the next one will be a little better. The issue is low SP rating on the E-cores. The P-cores are not as good as the CPUs that Papusan and I have (same basic SP rating for both of us) but still decent at 92. The E-cores are 65, dragging the overall down to SP 84. I'd be content with one similar to the one I already have.

 

The Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 is actually pretty decent. It's definitely not anything nearly as good as a Dark or Apex or Unify-X, but it's also no slouch. It is too bad that it is white (the only color available, apparently,) but it look silver. It does contrast nicely with the black 5000D.

 

Congrats on picking up another Z690 MB and an Asus no less. Yeah, an SP84 would be going right back.

 

Many (MANY) BIOS revisions later and the Z690 D4 is finally coming into its own. With the 1504 BIOS update those sticks I bought from you now actually boot at XMP along with two other sets of sticks that would bork out and required manual tuning from ground zero vs setting XMP and tuning from there.

 

I just started the process of re-tightening the timings and testing with the new BIOS to see if I can get closer to 40ns latency with them.

 

And Armory Crate may be the worst of the worst. It is beyond garbage. The fact GPU settings don't stick and as soon as you lose power they're gone is ridiculous. I wish more companies took EVGA's approach (everything sticks even GPUs and KB/Mice) or Asrock which puts a limited addition of their RGB controls right in the BIOS for controlling lighting.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Whats wrong with todays tech companies? 

When retarded is allowed to run wild and free... well... look around. Not just the tech world, but it is easy to spot there, too. The world around us is off the rails by any and all measurements due to incompetent leadership and stupid and/or evil leaders in business and government. Depravity at work... unable to discern between right and wrong, good and bad, truth and lies, beauty and ugliness, light and darkness, left and right, smart and stupid.

[Mr. Fox]

49 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Congrats on picking up another Z690 MB and an Asus no less. Yeah, an SP84 would be going right back.

 

Many (MANY) BIOS revisions later and the Z690 D4 is finally coming into its own. With the 1504 BIOS update those sticks I bought from you now actually boot at XMP along with two other sets of sticks that would bork out and required manual tuning from ground zero vs setting XMP and tuning from there.

 

I just started the process of re-tightening the timings and testing with the new BIOS to see if I can get closer to 40ns latency with them.

 

And Armory Crate may be the worst of the worst. It is beyond garbage. The fact GPU settings don't stick and as soon as you lose power they're gone is ridiculous. I wish more companies took EVGA's approach (everything sticks even GPUs and KB/Mice) or Asrock which puts a limited addition of their RGB controls right in the BIOS for controlling lighting.

 

 

Thank you. I can easily see why this Z690 DDR4 option is so well liked. It is even on the short list of "most popular" at HWBOT. Second on the list, in fact.

https://hwbot.org/hardware/motherboards

I haven't had time to do any memory tuning yet. I am running 1003 (1/19/2022) and it boots my custom 4000 CL15-16-16-36 1T XMP profile I burned on these Ripjaws sticks with Thaiphoon Burner just fine. I was running these sticks at 4500 CL16 with the Dark mobo, so it should do at least that well with the 12th Gen memory controller.

 

I already bricked it once while flashing the latest BIOS. After it finished writing to the chip, it turned off and never restarted, and I could not get it to power back on again. Very strange. Thankfully, the Crash Free BIOS 3 recovery worked. Using a mobo with only one BIOS chip is always kind of crappy. It's too bad it does not have a dual BIOS, power and reset buttons and Q-code LEDs. If it did it would be an absolutely perfect 12th Gen entry-level enthusiast board for DDR4.

 

I think all gaming and enthusiast mobos (including laptops) should have a dual (or triple) BIOS configuration, as well as a crisis flash feature. Not having the latter should be against the law. It absolutely should not be a feature only found on gaming desktop mobos. Just one more reason laptops suck.

 

I just spent more than an hour going through registry, Task Scheduler, ASUS folders and System32, Windows Services and temp folders manually taking ownership of and exorcising everything ASUS defecated or ejaculated (as in impregnated) into my OS. They are the masters of digital filth. I do not think they have any rival, which seems to be in direct emnity with the appeal their brand has with enthusiasts. 

 

If the replacement CPU from Amazon is also dud, I may keep the better of the two, buy a KS and sell the one I keep. Or, I may just blow it off and remind myself this is a work machine, not a benching rig. My plan was to put the best one in the benching beast and have the second best in the work rig, but I don't need a better binned CPU in the benching rig since I am starting to lose interest in the sport.

 

It is too bad the E-cores are such bad samples, otherwise I would be content with the P-core SP rating. The P-core run 52x all core with the same voltage my SP92 12900K uses for 54x all core.

[Mr. Fox]

I spent literally about 14 hours on Father's Day dismantling Banshee, taking everything apart and cleaning while I was waiting for the Strix and 12900K delivery. I had been running pure distilled water with some PrimoChill antimicrobial additive and the amount of filth that was in it was truly surprising. I disassembled the EKWB GPU block and gave that a good scrubbing down, scrubbed the film off the inside of the flexible tubing and cleaned the inside of both D5 pumps and the reservoir. It was quite nasty. Even though I was using the biocide, surprisingly it seemed most of it was algae. I used straight auto antifreeze this time, just like I am using in the benching rig. I expect to get a lot more mileage from it (pun intended). I used Asian vehicle blue coolant because of the color and because it is best suited to dissimilar metal electrolysis mitigation. I certainly won't have to worry about "creatures" with the antifreeze, because nothing can live in it (AFAIK).

[Custom90gt]

20 hours ago, Papusan said:

@Custom90gt

 

The history seen from this article from Computerbase confirms how AMD screwed their HEDT customers. The previous Threadripper socket mess (change only for a change) just confirms that AMD didn't bother offer similar as for their mainstream platform. 

 

Ryzen Threadripper 5000: AMD once again takes pity on Threadripper computerbase.de
3/8/2022 3:00 p.m

 
The last little loved child is now finally on the market: Threadripper 5000. But the thing has the famous catch, because it will not be available as a HEDT variant for the desktop, only workstations will be served with the Pro version. And here it is again just a converted Epyc processor.

 

AMD Ryzen Threadripper has changed

On November 5, 2020 AMD released the Zen 3 processors on the market, today, 488 days later, the Threadripper is finally available. Started in 2017 as a flagship project for the HEDT segment, nothing is left of it now. The initial driving forces behind the project have been gone for years, with Jim Anderson leaving in 2018 to become CEO at Lattice Semiconductor and James Prior joining SiFive . The remnants of the HEDT idea, which were already planned in advance, have remained, although in the last generation it is only a miserable one. High End Desktop (HEDT) is dead for the time being.

 

 

Yeah I really hate when AMD takes a page out of Intel's play book.  Sadly neither company really care what customers want. 

[Mr. Fox]

As part of my "spring cleaning" exercise, I replaced the Noctua fans (which I never liked much) with these.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CDL4TWK

 

I am pleased with them. They have decent static pressure and work well with my thick radiators. The wiring for the fans and RGB is flat and thin, and long. So, wiring management was very simple. I went with the 12V 4-pin option simply because they are less expensive for some reason. $28 USD for a 3-pack with free next day delivery is hard to beat. Included with each 3-pack is a 1-to-3 splitter for the fans and lighting (one of each) which adds further value to the already good price.

 

I really like the 5000D Airflow case except for the idiotic lack of ample space above the mobo. Granted, I am using thick radiators, but you can see how tight it is. It would have been so much better had they made the case 1 inch taller and put that inch between the mobo and top panel. 2 more inches would have made it even more awesome. You could then go with push/pull fans and not be cramped. And, that would make going with dual 360mm radiators feasible, instead of 240+360 radiators. Being cramped always sucks, which is one reason I loathe SFF products.

 

[Mr. Fox]

FINAL FANTASY XIV: Endwalker Benchmark
Tested on:  6/21/2022 9:23:32
Score: 30601
Average Frame Rate: 214.3941
Minimum Frame Rate: 95
Performance: Extremely High
-Easily capable of running the game on the highest settings.
Loading Times by Scene
  Scene #1    1.53 sec
  Scene #2    2.229 sec
  Scene #3    3.218 sec
  Scene #4    1.433 sec
  Scene #5    0.651 sec
 Total Loading Time    9.061 sec

DAT:s20220621092332.dat

Screen Size: 1920x1080
Screen Mode: Full Screen
DirectX Version: 11
Graphics Presets: Preset  1 
General
-Wet Surface Effects: Enabled
-Occlusion Culling: Enabled
-LOD on Distant Objects: Enabled
-Real-time Reflections: Maximum
-Edge Smoothing (Anti-aliasing): FXAA
-Transparent Lighting Quality: High
-Grass Quality: High
-Parallax Occlusion: High
-Tessellation: High
-Glare: Standard
Shadows
-Self: Display
-Other NPCs: Display
Shadow Quality
-LOD on Shadows: Enabled
-Shadow Resolution: High - 2048p
-Shadow Cascading: Best
-Shadow Softening: Strong
Texture Detail
-Texture Filtering: Anisotropic
-Anisotropic Filtering: x8
Movement Physics
-Self: Full
-Other NPCs: Full
Effects
-Limb Darkening: Enabled
-Radial Blur: Enabled
-Screen Space Ambient Occlusion: HBAO+: Standard
-Glare: Normal
-Water Refraction: Normal
Cinematic Cutscenes
-Depth of Field: Enabled

System
Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC (ver.10.0.19044 Build 19044)
12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900K
16193.781MB
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti(VRAM 11048 MB)

[jaybee83]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

As part of my "spring cleaning" exercise, I replaced the Noctua fans (which I never liked much) with these.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CDL4TWK

 

I am pleased with them. They have decent static pressure and work well with my thick radiators. The wiring for the fans and RGB is flat and thin, and long. So, wiring management was very simple. I went with the 12V 4-pin option simply because they are less expensive for some reason. $28 USD for a 3-pack with free next day delivery is hard to beat. Included with each 3-pack is a 1-to-3 splitter for the fans and lighting (one of each) with adds further value to the already good price.

 

I really like the 5000D Airflow case except for the idiotic lack of ample space above the mobo. Granted, I am using thick radiators, but you can see how tight it is. It would have been so much better had they made the case 1 inch taller and put that inch between the mobo and top panel. 2 more inches would have made it even more awesome. You could then go with push/pull fans and not be cramped. And, that would make going with dual 360mm radiators feasible, instead of 240+360 radiators. Being cramped always sucks, which is one reason I loathe SFF products.

 

 

i feel ya, im only considering big tower cases for my upcoming build to make sure ive got enough space for radiators and other bulky stuff (i.e. im also planning to include a small 7-10 inch display for sensor readouts inside the case).

[ryan]

oh the irony.....highest score without overclock....no clue as to why

[Mr. Fox]

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i feel ya, im only considering big tower cases for my upcoming build to make sure ive got enough space for radiators and other bulky stuff (i.e. im also planning to include a small 7-10 inch display for sensor readouts inside the case).

Yes, 100%. A case as big as you have space available to accommodate is ideal. Having a massive case that is larger than you need it to be makes life about a million times easier, and it gives you room to add whatever you want to add later on without having to worry about where you can put it. It really sucks when you do not have enough space to accommodate everything you want, and it is not fun having to figure out where to shoehorn things like a jigsaw puzzle. You end up having a suffocated mess that can't breathe properly because there is no airflow with every nook and cranny filled with something.

[Papusan]

21 hours ago, Papusan said:

Rx 6400/1650 ti performance for 600$. That's a steal. Who is this this cards really meant for? Office users that can't buy anything than Intel products/have to use up their budget for tech? What a huge Joke! Intel have gone bananas. No wonder they prefer offer this low entry card with the disgusting price tag first in China and not in U.S/EU. Yep, can't be a 1th April deal. We are already in end of June. 

 

China can't be much worse than here home (we have added 25% tax on top). But I wouldn't touch this crazy deal with a 10 feet pole. Those that buy this is either very messed up in their head or just plain stupid. Or both.

 

We have words for this here home... "Klin kokos". Damn it fits very well for Intel and the buyers of this new graphics card https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klin_kokos

 

Translated to English... KOKO

 

Intel’s first custom ARC A380 graphics card officially listed in China for 3999 RMB (595 USD)
https://videocardz.com/newz/intels-first-custom-arc-a380-graphics-card-officially-listed-in-china-for-3999-rmb-595-usd

 

Are you in a need for a new graphics card bro @Mr. Fox ?🙃 Whats wrong with todays tech companies? 

Miners have just started dumping their Ampere graphics cards in China. And Intel want $600 in same market for their new lovely low entry graphics cards with unfinished drivers, LOOL

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/crypt-miners-start-dumping-gpus

 

Twitter user I_Leak_VN(opens in new tab) spotted multiple listings of custom GeForce RTX 3080 graphics cards reportedly selling for 3,500 yuan, or $523.21. For reference, the GeForce RTX 3080 has a $699 MSRP

[ryan]

oh for tha luv of gawd... any cinebenchers willing to show 11800h scores cough talon...been waiting for like 4 months

[Mr. Fox]

44 minutes ago, ryan said:

oh for tha luv of gawd... any cinebenchers willing to show 11800h scores cough talon...been waiting for like 4 months

While you are waiting for our friend(s) to respond, here is a butt-load of 11800h results you can look at. 

 

All Results: https://hwbot.org/hardware/processors#key=core_i7_11800h

 

Cinebench R23

https://hwbot.org/submission/4866641_mylgjy_cinebench___r23_single_core_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_1597_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4863686_killerpole87_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_15229_cb

Cinebench R20

https://hwbot.org/submission/4863679_killerpole87_cinebench___r20_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_5877_cb

Cinebench R15

https://hwbot.org/submission/4899284_killerpole87_cinebench___r15_with_benchmate_core_i7_11800h_2382_cb

Cinebench R11.5

https://hwbot.org/submission/4866646_mylgjy_cinebench___r11.5_core_i7_11800h_25.01_cb

 

 

[ryan]

 

beaten by a g7.....sad

[electrosoft]

KPE 3090ti end of month release limited qty if anyone has queued up for it (anybody?)

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

KPE 3090ti end of month release limited qty if anyone has queued up for it (anybody?)

 

 

 

Nope. No need for it, but would not even considered if I needed it. They are not releasing a Hydro Copper block for it, and the 3090 KPE Hydro Copper won't fit per EVGA. So, there is no point in purchasing one. You'll be stuck with that worthless hybrid cooler abortion, which is totally unacceptable.

 

The replacement 12900K from Amazon is a little bit better.  87 SP, with 95 vs 94 on P-cores and 72 vs 65 on E-cores. So, not wonderful by any means but I am thankful it's better. I was able to drop the core voltage by 0.040V for 5.2GHz.

[electrosoft]

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nope. No need for it, but would not even considered if I needed it. They are not releasing a Hydro Copper block for it, and the 3090 KPE Hydro Copper won't fit per EVGA. So, there is no point in purchasing one. You'll be stuck with that worthless hybrid cooler abortion, which is totally unacceptable.

 

The replacement 12900K from Amazon is a little bit better.  87 SP, with 95 vs 94 on P-cores and 72 vs 65 on E-cores. So, not wonderful by any means but I am thankful it's better. I was able to drop the core voltage by 0.040V for 5.2GHz.

 

It could have went the other direction and been worse so that's good. Free minor performance bump!

 

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

It could have went the other direction and been worse so that's good. Free minor performance bump!

 

Yes, it certainly could have. While I am not particularly pleased with the better of the two, I am thankful it was not worse. I also appreciate that the Microcenter gave the green light for Amazon to send me a new bundle before shipping back the old bundle, and allowed me the liberty to keep the better CPU. I so wish we had a Microcenter here in the Phoenix Metro area. I'd gladly drive an hour each direction to do business with them versus ordering things online. 

 

The crappiness of the E-cores is actually more detrimental. If you can't overclock them to higher speeds with stability your all core (P+E) average clock speed is lower and performance declines. I am also not sure how much voltage the crummy Atom chips can handle. I don't mind running the big boy cores at 1.500V+ to push the clocks, but the scummy wuss baby sissy-girl Atom cores might die with that kind of voltage. It really sucks that they can't be pushed to at least 5.0GHz each.

[Mr. Fox]

On 6/21/2022 at 4:26 AM, Custom90gt said:

 

Yeah I really hate when AMD takes a page out of Intel's play book.  Sadly neither company really care what customers want. 

That is very accurate. I am not sure that they even care about what they themselves want, LOL. Both of them, along with NVIDIA and the rest of "Big Tech," are companies run by psychotic numbskulls, in an industry were honesty and integrity are not core values. The production of broken and buggy garbage is status quo. What little isn't broken and buggy is half-assed.

[K4sum1]

I delidded a 4790K and liquid metaled it, only to have it crash if I go over some sort of wattage limit. Not sure why, but I would assume it's just my board being junk. Haswell is kinda boring to me anyways.

I haven't saved any benchmarks, and I'm too lazy to install Windows just to get a CB number.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, K4sum1 said:

I delidded a 4790K and liquid metaled it, only to have it crash if I go over some sort of wattage limit. Not sure why, but I would assume it's just my board being junk. Haswell is kinda boring to me anyways.

I haven't saved any benchmarks, and I'm too lazy to install Windows just to get a CB number.

Could you be a little bit more specific maybe? It's probably something really simple like the voltage is set too low. But, hard enough for sure with no additional details about what kind of crash and when that happens. If it is a BSOD what is the code or message? What system? Clevo or a desktop?

[K4sum1]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Could you be a little bit more specific maybe? It's probably something really simple like the voltage is set too low. But, hard enough for sure with no additional details about what kind of crash and when that happens.

4.6 at 1.190v is stable, 4.6 at 1.250v causes system to power off, then back on.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/669416006799720469/983123834100129863/VID_20220605_163000.mp4

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, K4sum1 said:

4.6 at 1.190v is stable, 4.6 at 1.250v causes system to power off, then back on.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/669416006799720469/983123834100129863/VID_20220605_163000.mp4

What kind of PSU do you have? It almost seems like something is getting overloaded. The CPU temperatures are good. Do you have temperatures for the VRM? It could be something on the motherboard as well, but it's hard to say. But, I don't think it has anything to do with the operating system from what I could see in your video. It's like it's abruptly power cycling for some reason.

[K4sum1]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

What kind of PSU do you have? It almost seems like something is getting overloaded. The CPU temperatures are good. Do you have temperatures for the VRM? It could be something on the motherboard as well, but it's hard to say. But, I don't think it has anything to do with the operating system from what I could see in your video. It's like it's abruptly power cycling for some reason.

Well, in the system, I'm using an old xPower 1080, but I've also tested it with a Rosewill Hive 750w and got the same thing.