*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

@electrosoft and @Rage Set - what kind of memory clocks are you able to get with your Strix D4?
 

I cannot get anything higher than 4000 to boot with any timings and voltage. This 4000 CL15-15-15-30 1T configuration seems to be about the best it is capable of achieving. Kind of disappointing on the memory front. Maybe this is to be expected? Maybe SK Hynix preference is 12th Gen overall and not only DDR5?

Goofy enough, the same sticks run perfectly stable at this configuration, which refused to even make an effort to boot.

 

I also cannot run the cache higher than 43x or Windows fails to boot with a BSOD no matter how much cache voltage I give it. It runs 43x totally stable and 44x instantly has issues. 

 

@Talon am I remembering correctly that you had a CPU that wouldn't do over like 43x cache even though it had a decent SP rating?

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

@electrosoft and @Rage Set - what kind of memory clocks are you able to get with your Strix D4?
 

I cannot get anything higher than 4000 to boot with any timings and voltage. This 4000 CL15-15-15-30 1T configuration seems to be about the best it is capable of achieving. Kind of disappointing on the memory front. Maybe this is to be expected? Maybe SK Hynix preference is 12th Gen overall and not only DDR5?

Goofy enough, the same sticks run perfectly stable at this configuration, which refused to even make an effort to boot.

 

I also cannot run the cache higher than 43x or Windows fails to boot with a BSOD no matter how much cache voltage I give it. It runs 43x totally stable and 44x instantly has issues. 

 

@Talon am I remembering correctly that you had a CPU that wouldn't do over like 43x cache even though it had a decent SP rating?

 

4266 2x8, 4133 2x16 but that was on 1404 with the 12900ks. I'll test 1504 just to see how high I can boot later with the SP91 12900k

 

Since the IMCs are independent, there is no correlation between DDR4 and DDR5. It could be your MB or your IMC especially if your DDR4 sticks are known good to post higher gear 1. I know a few 12900k chips I was testing petered out at 3733 (SP81 and SP89 I believe). I initially thought it was the motherboard since I knew it wasn't the memory (8GB B-die sticks 4000 15-15-15 rated) but then my current chip handled 4000 no problem so it was actually the 12900k chips themselves.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

4266 2x8, 4133 2x16 but that was on 1404 with the 12900ks. I'll test 1504 just to see how high I can boot later with the SP91 12900k

 

Since the IMCs are independent, there is no correlation between DDR4 and DDR5. It could be your MB or your IMC especially if your DDR4 sticks are known good to post higher gear 1. I know a few 12900k chips I was testing petered out at 3733 (SP81 and SP89 I believe). I initially thought it was the motherboard since I knew it wasn't the memory (8GB B-die sticks 4000 15-15-15 rated) but then my current chip handled 4000 no problem so it was actually the 12900k chips themselves.

Thanks for the intel. Based on your experience, I suspect it is this mediocre 12900K. Probably also explains 43x cache being the limit. Cinebench also crashes with cache at 43x, but completes without error at 42x cache.

 

Maybe when I am feeling more ambitious I will try my cherry 12900K in the Strix mobo and see if it fares better. Those same memory sticks ran like a Swiss watch at 4500 CL16 as my daily driver RAM overclock on the Z490 Dark and 10900K. 

 

It is interesting that I can run them with such tight timings at 4000, even using 1T, but it will not even try to POST above 4000 with any loose timings and higher voltage. Yet the same RAM would only boot with 2T on the Z490 Dark. On the Strix Z690 it is like it instantly hits a brick wall if I try to go above 4000. I bet this also explains the negative reviews on the D4 where some people complained about it having memory issues with known good RAM. I bet those people also had a crappy 12th Gen sample. Most of the reviews are either excellent or horrible.

 

Just for shiggles, here is the review that I left for it.

 

Micro Center Intel Core i9-12900K Desktop Processor 16 (8P+8E) Cores up to 5.2 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 Desktop Processor with ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 Motherboard

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks for the intel. Based on your experience, I suspect it is this mediocre 12900K. Probably also explains 43x cache being the limit. Cinebench also crashes with cache at 43x, but completes without error at 42x cache.

 

Maybe when I am feeling more ambitious I will try my cherry 12900K in the Strix mobo and see if it fares better. Those same memory sticks ran like a Swiss watch at 4500 CL16 as my daily driver RAM overclock on the Z490 Dark and 10900K. 

 

It is interesting that I can run them with such tight timings at 4000, even using 1T, but it will not even try to POST above 4000 with any loose timings and higher voltage. Yet the same RAM would only boot with 2T on the Z490 Dark. On the Strix Z690 it is like it instantly hits a brick wall if I try to go above 4000. I bet this also explains the negative reviews on the D4 where some people complained about it having memory issues with known good RAM. I bet those people also had a crappy 12th Gen sample. Most of the reviews are either excellent or horrible.

 

Just for shiggles, here is the review that I left for it.

 

Micro Center Intel Core i9-12900K Desktop Processor 16 (8P+8E) Cores up to 5.2 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 Desktop Processor with ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 Motherboard

 

I went back and checked my data logs for those 12900k's I binned and confirmed the SP81 and SP89 couldn't do 4000 even but did manage 3866 tops not 3733 so it could be the CPU itself. Definitely check your better bin in there and see how it handles it.

 

Did you try setting XMP1 and let Asus "optimize" it for you then bump the frequency only manually up to 4133 just to see? I find when Asus "optimizes" it for you that you have a little more leeway in regards to some settings versus XMP II or manually tuning from the ground up.

 

I just went and did a Q&D settings check for frequency and I was able to boot and run Aida @ 4200. I'm getting much better results frequency wise on 1504 with my SP91 12900k than I did on 1404 as on 1404 these sticks wouldn't break 4000 and the 2x8gb sticks stuck at 4133. Now they're doing 4200 (so far). Which BIOS are you running?

 

 

I read the review  lol. I like the ending part where you dump all over Armory Fail. 😄

[Mr. Fox]

41 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I went back and checked my data logs for those 12900k's I binned and confirmed the SP81 and SP89 couldn't do 4000 even but did manage 3866 tops not 3733 so it could be the CPU itself. Definitely check your better bin in there and see how it handles it.

 

Did you try setting XMP1 and let Asus "optimize" it for you then bump the frequency only manually up to 4133 just to see? I find when Asus "optimizes" it for you that you have a little more leeway in regards to some settings versus XMP II or manually tuning from the ground up.

 

I just went and did a Q&D settings check for frequency and I was able to boot and run Aida @ 4200. I'm getting much better results frequency wise on 1504 with my SP91 12900k than I did on 1404 as on 1404 these sticks wouldn't break 4000 and the 2x8gb sticks stuck at 4133. Now they're doing 4200 (so far). Which BIOS are you running?

 

 

I read the review  lol. I like the ending part where you dump all over Armory Fail. 😄

Thank you for checking. I am running 1504. I am 99% sure it is the CPU silicon quality because it is consistent with your experience. Yes, I did try letting ASUS optimize the settings with XMP I and that did not make any difference other than the memory performance was slightly worse than my custom settings.

 

Edit: looking at your latency, it appears you can also boot with 1:1 (Gear 1) and this system will not boot unless I leave it set to Auto (which is 1:2 - Gear 2).

 

The E-cores are 2 points higher than my better 12900K, but the P-cores are 9 points lower, and the overall SP is 5 points lower than my better 12900K. I think the lower P-core SP rating is what is holding this one back on memory and cache clocks.

[Talon]

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@electrosoft and @Rage Set - what kind of memory clocks are you able to get with your Strix D4?
 

I cannot get anything higher than 4000 to boot with any timings and voltage. This 4000 CL15-15-15-30 1T configuration seems to be about the best it is capable of achieving. Kind of disappointing on the memory front. Maybe this is to be expected? Maybe SK Hynix preference is 12th Gen overall and not only DDR5?

Goofy enough, the same sticks run perfectly stable at this configuration, which refused to even make an effort to boot.

 

I also cannot run the cache higher than 43x or Windows fails to boot with a BSOD no matter how much cache voltage I give it. It runs 43x totally stable and 44x instantly has issues. 

 

@Talon am I remembering correctly that you had a CPU that wouldn't do over like 43x cache even though it had a decent SP rating?

 

Unfortunately I can't remember what I was able to push on that chip and not home to see if I have old screenshots. 

 

UncleWebb has provided us with another fix for crap software. I also recently noticed how many resources Windows Defender was tying up and thought it odd. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/295877/windows-defender-can-significantly-impact-intel-cpu-performance-we-have-the-fix

[electrosoft]

16 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you for checking. I am running 1504. I am 99% sure it is the CPU silicon quality because it is consistent with your experience. Yes, I did try letting ASUS optimize the settings with XMP I and that did not make any difference other than the memory performance was slightly worse than my custom settings.

 

Edit: looking at your latency, it appears you can also boot with 1:1 (Gear 1) and this system will not boot unless I leave it set to Auto (which is 1:2 - Gear 2).

 

The E-cores are 2 points higher than my better 12900K, but the P-cores are 9 points lower, and the overall SP is 5 points lower than my better 12900K. I think the lower P-core SP rating is what is holding this one back on memory and cache clocks.

 

 

I was 99.99% sure you ran the tables checking everything possible but I've found myself in the past and present letting Asus work its magic to get sticks to suddenly work but with the most horrific latency just to make sure it was possible before returning to manually dialing them in.

 

Yep, booting G1 4200. That's so odd it will only boot G2 for 4000. Where does the system tap out for G1? 3600? The 1504 update did improve stability and compatibility for the sticks I bought from you (those are the ones I ran 4200 G1) but some may still be problematic. What kit is it?

 

I think you'll get clarity as you mentioned before when you plug in your better binned 12900k. You will quickly find out if it is the motherboard or cpu.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Unfortunately I can't remember what I was able to push on that chip and not home to see if I have old screenshots. 

 

UncleWebb has provided us with another fix for crap software. I also recently noticed how many resources Windows Defender was tying up and thought it odd. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/295877/windows-defender-can-significantly-impact-intel-cpu-performance-we-have-the-fix

That's awesome. In the past I always used Defender Control to kill all Defender processes before benching because it would suck the life out of my CPU-related benchmark scores. It's great to have that added tool as an option. Uncle Webb is a genius. Thanks for sharing it.

 

I now just use a script to remove Windows Defender completely so I don't have to use anything. Of course, if there were a legitimate reason that I needed to rely on it, that would not be an option. Thankfully, I do not need to.

Remove Defender.zip

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

I was 99.99% sure you ran the tables checking everything possible but I've found myself in the past and present letting Asus work its magic to get sticks to suddenly work but with the most horrific latency just to make sure it was possible before returning to manually dialing them in.

 

Yep, booting G1 4200. That's so odd it will only boot G2 for 4000. Where does the system tap out for G1? 3600? The 1504 update did improve stability and compatibility for the sticks I bought from you (those are the ones I ran 4200 G1) but some may still be problematic. What kit is it?

 

I think you'll get clarity as you mentioned before when you plug in your better binned 12900k. You will quickly find out if it is the motherboard or cpu.

 

 

I haven't bothered checking where G1 caps out because I am not going to run anything lower than 4000. To me, 4000 is like entry-level gamerboy memory clocks and running something lower than 4000 just isn't an option as far as I am concerned. That's like accepting less than a 50x overclock on all cores as being OK. Homey don't play dat, LOL.

 

The kit is Ripjaws V F4-4000C15-8GVK. Interestingly, ASUS QVL for memory on this particular mobo only lists two validated DDR4-4000 memory configurations and both were validated using 4 stick kits with the same exact XMP timings as this kit, but with all 4 slots filled.

[Mr. Fox]

On 6/27/2022 at 1:56 PM, electrosoft said:

I think you'll get clarity as you mentioned before when you plug in your better binned 12900k. You will quickly find out if it is the motherboard or cpu.

Yeah, 100% the CPU. Same memory sticks boot fine at 4800 CL19 with a different CPU. I can also run the cache way higher. This is with BIOS defaults except for the RAM settings.

 

This one is going up for sale on eBay.

 

[electrosoft]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, 100% the CPU. Same memory sticks boot fine at 4800 CL19 with a different CPU. I can also run the cache way higher. This is with BIOS defaults except for the RAM settings.

 

This one is going up for sale on eBay.

 

 

Now we're talking! (Heath ledger Joker voice 😁)

 

That CPU is pure garbage. For joe average it will do just fine though. It also shows why 11th and especially 12th priorities for many have shifted to fishing for superior IMCs and ring fixed around 5.2 all core and go from there.

 

Just noticed you picked up a 12900ks, nice. new or used? What SP? P/E?

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

46 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Now we're talking! (Heath ledger Joker voice 😁)

 

That CPU is pure garbage. For joe average it will do just fine though. It also shows why 11th and especially 12th priorities for many have shifted to fishing for superior IMCs and ring fixed around 5.2 all core and go from there.

 

Just noticed you picked up a 12900ks, nice. new or used? What SP? P/E?

 

 

Yeah, crappy average gamerboy stuff. Sadly, better than the first one. The first one was  extra crappy.

 

I got it new on fleaBay for $650 sealed retail box. The guy had 6 of them and has a well-established store.

 

SP91 overall, P-99, E-76. I think that translates into a higher SP rating by 12900K standards.

 

Edit: I think this is going to work out just fine. Massive improvement and slightly better bin than my excellent 12900K. I will move it to the benching rig and delid it and move the 12900K to Banshee in a couple of days.

 

 

 

[ryan]

 

after 6 months of use and now the bottom is dust covered ect this is my new normal....8500 gpu 8890 cpu....not bad not good cpu wise.....thinking of getting someone to paste thermal paste of the metal variety

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, crappy average gamerboy stuff. Sadly, better than the first one. The first one was  extra crappy.

 

I got it new on fleaBay for $650 sealed retail box. The guy had 6 of them and has a well-established store.

 

SP91 overall, P-99, E-76. I think that translates into a higher SP rating by 12900K standards.

 

Edit: I think this is going to work out just fine. Massive improvement and slightly better bin than my excellent 12900K. I will move it to the benching rig and delid it and move the 12900K to Banshee in a couple of days.

 

 

 

 

Good price for a new 12900ks and that P-99 = ~P107-109 on a 12900k. The SP94 12900ks I had was rated exactly the same as my SP91 (P102) yet it was clearly superior both in IMC and pull/clocks but both hit a wall on my LF II 420 at 5.4 all core.

[electrosoft]

EVGA finally feeling the overstock glut and having barn burner prices on EVERYTHING (right now elite members only for a few days then everybody). Even their 1600w T2 is under $200 brand new for this sale.

 

 

[jaybee83]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

EVGA finally feeling the overstock glut and having barn burner prices on EVERYTHING (right now elite members only for a few days then everybody). Even their 1600w T2 is under $200 brand new for this sale.

 

 

about time! 😁👌🏼

[Mr. Fox]

Things don't feel right without Brother @Papusan posting stuff in our community. I really miss him, but he is on vacation right now. Hurry back, bud. 🙂

 

[electrosoft]

27 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Things don't feel right without Brother @Papusan posting stuff in our community. I really miss him, but he is on vacation right now. Hurry back, bud. 🙂

 

 

I was just thinking about him and his crocs wondering where he went. Good to know he is absent for a good reason!

 

 

[Ashtrix]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Things don't feel right without Brother @Papusan posting stuff in our community. I really miss him, but he is on vacation right now. Hurry back, bud. 🙂

 

 

Was about to reach out to him just now, good to hear you already did. Cheers !

[Mr. Fox]

I am definitely going to have to delid this bad boy. The temps are just way too high with the stock solder, even running on the chiller. The voltage needs are nice and low.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5029753_

 

 

Side note: My delidded golden 12900K is also working nicely in Banshee. I am using it for work, running stable and cool at 53x on P-cores, 42x on E-core, 43x cache with 4000 15-16-16-36 2T G1. The replacement CPU from Micro Center (Amazon Inland store) sold within about 3 hours on eBay.

[Papusan]

On 6/22/2022 at 10:03 PM, ryan said:

 

beaten by a g7.....sad

This is sad. I talk about M$ products

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/295877/windows-defender-can-significantly-impact-intel-cpu-performance-we-have-the-fix

[Papusan]

Thanks to yo all. I’m on vacation as bro Fox said. But I’m sick due my bad health. Can’t almost not hold an phone or look in the laptop. I will post when my health is better. God bless you all. 
 

Bro Papusan 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Thanks to yo all. I’m on vacation as bro Fox said. But I’m sick due my bad health. Can’t almost not hold an phone or look in the laptop. I will post when my health is better. God bless you all. 
 

Bro Papusan 

 

Speedy recovery brother! 🙏

[electrosoft]

KPE 3090ti's are dropping first wave to queue members and auto-notify is gone so Jacob was right when he said limited.

 

$2499.99 w/ 1600 PSU no exceptions. It's a bundle deal.

 

If you didn't queue up you're SOL (if you wanted one).

 

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=24G-P5-4998-KT

 

 

[Ashtrix]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Thanks to yo all. I’m on vacation as bro Fox said. But I’m sick due my bad health. Can’t almost not hold an phone or look in the laptop. I will post when my health is better. God bless you all. 
 

Bro Papusan 

 

Good to hear back !! Get well soon bro Papu.

[Mr. Fox]

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Thanks to yo all. I’m on vacation as bro Fox said. But I’m sick due my bad health. Can’t almost not hold an phone or look in the laptop. I will post when my health is better. God bless you all. 
 

Bro Papusan 

I did not want to tell everyone that you were not feeling well because that was something you shared with me in private. I am glad you shared it here so we can all be praying for you to have a speedy recovery. Blessings to you and your family.