*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

I would just delete the AMD and Intel MC files from Windows on any version of Windows unless it is a very old version. Totally unnecessary to have them. Just rely on whatever the BIOS has.

 

Locate mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll and take ownership, then delete. Or, a person can rename it with .old or .not after the .dll if they are weirded out about the idea of deleting system files.

[electrosoft]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If it is cold outside, put your laptop on the patio, turn it off and let it normalize with the ambient temps. Once it is stone cold and matching the outside air, then go out there, turn it on, max out the fans and run the benchmark again before it has a chance to heat itself up. You'll probably set a new record with that hardware config.

 

I usually run most of my priority benchmarks first thing in the morning as my computer room is pretty cold. If it is a dry, cold day I'll open the window and shut the door and let the room get frosty, set fans to max and let the rad and internals get nice and crisp on the desktop before running.

 

For some of my P870TM runs I put my laptop on the backseat floor of my car and left it outside for an hour before running.

 

Good stuff!

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I usually run most of my priority benchmarks first thing in the morning as my computer room is pretty cold. If it is a dry, cold day I'll open the window and shut the door and let the room get frosty, set fans to max and let the rad and internals get nice and crisp on the desktop before running.

 

For some of my P870TM runs I put my laptop on the backseat floor of my car and left it outside for an hour before running.

 

Good stuff!

Excellent. I do exactly the same thing, even with the chilled water. It rarely actually gets "cold" here (almost never below freezing) but having my office around 40-50°F then turning on the chiller for 20 minutes before powering the computer on works much better than trying to chill the water after the office is already full of warm air. It takes a lot longer for the water to get cold and it is more difficult to keep the water ice cold if I am pushing warm air through the condenser.

[Papusan]

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929545_papusan_3dmark___night_raid_geforce_gtx_750_ti_23034_marks?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929519_papusan_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_gtx_750_ti_1886_marks?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929501_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_750_ti_20779_marks

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929490_papusan_3dmark___cloud_gate_geforce_gtx_750_ti_36891_marks

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929532_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_extreme_geforce_gtx_750_ti_2697_marks?recalculate=true

[Papusan]

i should have run 3DM11 on Win 7 but no time for that now 🙂

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929577_papusan_3dmark11___entry_geforce_gtx_750_ti_13253_marks

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929567_papusan_3dmark11___extreme_geforce_gtx_750_ti_2498_marks

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929564_papusan_3dmark11___performance_geforce_gtx_750_ti_7870_marks

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929583_papusan_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_750_ti_32617_marks?recalculate=true

[ryan]

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

Can you check out this HP Omen 16 model? Same cooling and design? And compare with  the uCoce (MC in Hwinfo). Did you jump on Win 11?

 

Notebookcheck never tune HW to get most out from it. This HP OMEN 16 oush out scores above 12400 points without any tweaks. Win 10.

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4929431_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_750_ti_5512_marks/

 

 

For example in fire strike I often get cpu scores around 22000-23000 but with an overclock I had it manage 25000. not sure whats going on but my cpu is heating up faster. not sure why and im not really interested in LM

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

i should have run 3DM11 on Win 7 but no time for that now 🙂

That will make it easier for your to beat your own scores later. If you do it now there will be nothing to look forward to later.

 

5 hours ago, ryan said:

For example in fire strike I often get cpu scores around 22000-23000 but with an overclock I had it manage 25000. not sure whats going on but my cpu is heating up faster. not sure why and im not really interested in LM

If the GPU is getting hotter so will the CPU on a system with a unified heat sink. That is what happens when the CPU and GPU are constantly puking on one another. Flawed engineering is very popular. Virtually all craptops and notepoots are made this way now. Monkey see, monkey do. The only ones not made that way are no longer made. Stupid is as stupid does.

[ryan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If the GPU is getting hotter so will the CPU on a system with a unified heat sink. That is what happens when the CPU and GPU are constantly puking on one another. Flawed engineering is very popular. Virtually all craptops and notepoots are made this way now. Monkey see, monkey do. The only ones not made that way are no longer made. Stupid is as stupid does.

yeah maybe i just need to shut off my laptop for a few hours. both my s21 ultra and omen 16 are running hot and performing poorly, like stock im where im supposed to be but any tweaking nets next to nothing. cb23 im doing poorly. as i thought this laptop was the best. and too most it is all around but mine nah i get a turkey every time im looking for a hawk

 

like i realize the 3060 goes to 130w and this laptop is on the thinner side. but before buying reviews said it had powerful quote performance and ran under 70c both cpu and gou. so i thought instant buy just what im looking for and ill be able to tweak and overclock the heck outta it. nah bro nah bro. now with underclocks and tweaking programs im getting less at crazy hot temps except for gaming as most games dont push the cpu past 12 percent usage.... i bought a hawk that has a turkey brain

 

and to prove a point here is the 4ghz locked that just just avoids thermal throttling and 4.6ghz stock or overclocked performance depending on how you look at it. this is just a cpu run so no gpu heating interference

 

[Papusan]

On 2/8/2022 at 6:01 PM, Papusan said:

I just downloaded the CORSAIR iCUE software. I'm in shock. A huge 811MB package for only changing fan speed and the colors is darn disgusting. This software is equal an big package as a bloated full Nvidia driver. Whats wrong with todays software engineers? Are they paid on hours basis as freelancers and more time they spend on the package make it more complicated than needed, the more they earn? @Mr. Fox

 

On 2/8/2022 at 6:04 PM, Talon said:

It's a really bloated software for sure. It will also hurt your benchmarks. If you need it, make sure you close that crap out completely when trying to bench. 

I just can't stand have Corsair ICUE installed. I have bought some 1-to-4 splitters. They had 3 packs of this one below in the web stores here home. Connect the PWM signal to MB fan headers and try make an fan profile in bios. Is there another software that can easly change fan speed on the go? I have Speed fan in top of my head but is there better options? Software that is click and run. Open the software, max out the fans and then disable the software again. Same for putting an fan profile, then disable the software. Click and go. 

On 2/8/2022 at 10:57 PM, Mr. Fox said:

iCUE seems like a lightweight portable app compared to the extreme over-the-top and utterly absurd level of bloatware garbage called Armory Crate. Filth on that order of magnitude should be illegal. The fact that it is UWP feces distributed through the Micro$lop Store makes it even more diabolical.

I have the Armory Crate digital dumpster installed on my work OS on Banshee. It has no less than 22 processes running in the background and it squanders gobs of memory and CPU cycles to support a butt-load of silly crap.

ICUE is still damn disgusting. I don't have RGB so I don't need any of the Corsairs software to clutter up my pc. I don't want any software that I don't have any use for installed. Portable apps is what I always prefer. Turn on what you want then off and out of sight. Whats the best options for fan control? 

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, ryan said:

i bought a hawk that has a turkey brain

+ rep☺️

[ryan]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

+ rep☺️

lol its operator is missing the ignition key

 

any ideas? its like you guys have to do baby steps with me. i cant seem to improve gpu performance much.....ideas papusan? share a secret or two

 

also new nvidia drivers are out

 

mod edit: please take advantage of the multi-quote and/or edit functions.

 

 

ok sorry 🙂

 

new drivers results

 

new drivers crysis 3

 

and NO im not sure why its got such a high framerate, its possible these new drivers are doing it or perhaps that I forgot how powerful the 3060 was

 

for comparison

 

 

 

hes averaging 56fps with the same setup brb

 

 

he got 52fps here/ i got 

 

he got 56fps here/ i got while running

 

and over 70 where he got 64fps

 

 

 

conclusion is after waiting 3 month finally we have great drivers

 

 

even GTA V is running better see below

 

settings;

 

THIS IS AT 4K

 

 

 

DRUM ROLL:

 

that was the lowest fps I could get overall it averaged 52fps on max settings 4k

 

also I just noticed I got 46th in vrmark which is amazing considering I dont have the highest tdp 115w

 

https://www.3dmark.com/vrpcr/77860

[Mr. Fox]

16 hours ago, Papusan said:

Whats the best options for fan control? 

A manual fan controller with knobs. You don't have to worry about damaging the cheap fan headers on the motherboard or buggy software garbage. You can run more fans than you would ever need with power to spare.  I run 18 fans and three D5 pumps on mine. 

 

This is what I use:

 

Lamptron CF525 Fan Controller

PRODUCT INFORMATION:

The Lamptron CF525 is the spiritual succesor to the classic and powerfull FC2. The CF525 provides a whooping 60w per channel through its 5 channels providing a total of 300w for the power hungry. To put it in perspective, this controller is able to control 10x of the infamous Delta AFB1212GHE-CF00 fans at full speed at the same time (2 per channel). These fans require 29.5W/4.5A each, that’s 24.5A/295W of draw in total! With the CF525 we can safely say you will only ever need one controller in your system regardless of how many cooling solutions you choose to use in terms of power needs. For your consideration, The Lamptron CF525. No Frills, Just Power.

Features:
- Most powerfull controller in the market
- 60w per channel
- Very high quality materials
- 5 completely independant 60w/5A channels
- Other Great Features!
- CNC milled aluminium face-plate
- Sleeved cables
- Black PCB
- No frills, just power

 

This would work well in a case with no 5.25-inch drive bays. Probably powerful enough for most uses.

 

Lamptron PCI Bracket 4-Way High Power Fan Controller

Product Highlights
- Black frosted aluminum panel
- Knob control
- 4 channel - 36w each
- 4-pin terminals compatible with 4pin and 3pin fans
- 2-12VDC, fans can be turned off

[Papusan]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

A manual fan controller with knobs. You don't have to worry about damaging the cheap fan headers on the motherboard or buggy software garbage. You can run more fans than you would ever need with power to spare.  I run 18 fans and three D5 pumps on mine. 

 

This is what I use:

 

Lamptron CF525 Fan Controller

PRODUCT INFORMATION:

The Lamptron CF525 is the spiritual succesor to the classic and powerfull FC2. The CF525 provides a whooping 60w per channel through its 5 channels providing a total of 300w for the power hungry. To put it in perspective, this controller is able to control 10x of the infamous Delta AFB1212GHE-CF00 fans at full speed at the same time (2 per channel). These fans require 29.5W/4.5A each, that’s 24.5A/295W of draw in total! With the CF525 we can safely say you will only ever need one controller in your system regardless of how many cooling solutions you choose to use in terms of power needs. For your consideration, The Lamptron CF525. No Frills, Just Power.

Features:
- Most powerfull controller in the market
- 60w per channel
- Very high quality materials
- 5 completely independant 60w/5A channels
- Other Great Features!
- CNC milled aluminium face-plate
- Sleeved cables
- Black PCB
- No frills, just power

 

This would work well in a case with no 5.25-inch drive bays. Probably powerful enough for most uses.

 

Lamptron PCI Bracket 4-Way High Power Fan Controller

Product Highlights
- Black frosted aluminum panel
- Knob control
- 4 channel - 36w each
- 4-pin terminals compatible with 4pin and 3pin fans
- 2-12VDC, fans can be turned off

Thanks. I used a custom made fan controller in the older days with my modded Lian Li chassis connected with an Phase change. But in the older days you had lots of drive bays in the front. Not so much nowadays. I will check out if I can buy something like the Lamptron PCI Bracket 4-Way High Power Fan Controller here home. Everything today is more and more based on software bloatware. 

 

Intel have saved up some chips to charge premium. Exactly in the same as Nvidia did for 3090 Ti. Maybe not as nasty, but still disgusting. Nvidia want heafty premium for 2.5%. Intel a bit better with 4% performance increase. 

 

Why not release it as next gen chips? They did that for older gen chips. 4% performance increase yearly. But this won't be as profitable as a new SKU on same old model line.

 

Intel's Core i9-12900KS CPU Surfaces for Close to $800 tomshardware.com Feb 15, 2021

 

A hefty premium for a minimum clock speed uplift. 

[Mr. Fox]

9 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Thanks. I used a custom made fan controller in the older days with my modded Lian Li chassis connected with an Phase change. But in the older days you had lots of drive bays in the front. Not so much nowadays. I will check out if I can buy something like the Lamptron PCI Bracket 4-Way High Power Fan Controller here home. Everything today is more and more based on software bloatware. 

 

Intel have saved up some chips to charge premium. Exactly in the same as Nvidia did for 3090 Ti. Maybe not as nasty, but still disgusting. Nvidia want heafty premium for 2.5%. Intel a bit better with 4% performance increase. 

 

Intel's Core i9-12900KS CPU Surfaces for Close to $800 tomshardware.com Feb 15, 2021

 

A hefty premium for a minimum clock speed uplift. 

I would love to see a tower case with external 5.25 inch drive bays underneath the bottom floor with the bays facing the same direction as the left side panel. That way it would not waste internal capacity for radiators, fans, pumps and reservoirs. It would need to be slightly elevated, but not a big deal in my mind.

 

For example, positioned like this, but with slightly more elevation... enough space for a full-height 5.25 inch drive bay, or fan controller, etc. The case could have an optional removable bezel on the left side to give a finished look and a removable skirt or sight shield on the opposite side of the chassis to hide the extra cables.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Thanks. I used a custom made fan controller in the older days with my modded Lian Li chassis connected with an Phase change. But in the older days you had lots of drive bays in the front. Not so much nowadays. I will check out if I can buy something like the Lamptron PCI Bracket 4-Way High Power Fan Controller here home. Everything today is more and more based on software bloatware. 

 

Intel have saved up some chips to charge premium. Exactly in the same as Nvidia did for 3090 Ti. Maybe not as nasty, but still disgusting. Nvidia want heafty premium for 2.5%. Intel a bit better with 4% performance increase. 

 

Why not release it as next gen chips? They did that for older gen chips. 4% performance increase yearly. But this won't be as profitable as a new SKU on same old model line.

 

Intel's Core i9-12900KS CPU Surfaces for Close to $800 tomshardware.com Feb 15, 2021

 

A hefty premium for a minimum clock speed uplift. 

 

Sheesh, $800 but it is an almost sure way to not get shanked by a bad chip but the overhead to stock may be much ado about nothing. My p0 9900k beat down my 9900ks on the top end easily but it did run hotter and heavier on the bottom end.

 

If you don't overclock and you have decent cooling (>=280mm AIO), the KS is a big waste of money. You aren't guaranteed to get a cooler running stock chip and I'll be curious to see what they consider the baseline for binned silicon.

 

If I was building a new system with the KS on the market at the time I could see where you might pony up a few extra beans for a bit of certainty.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

Sold and shipped the Z590 Dark today.

 

Started this thread: EVGA Z590 Dark BIOS Mod with PPD and VMax Stress Menu Options

[Custom90gt]

I sent my G.Skill DDR5 back and received my Oloy 6200-32-38-38-76 @ 1.35v.  So far it's up and running on XMP and 5 hours AIDA64 stable.  Hopefully these won't suck like the G.Skills...

 

*on edit* I initially paid $559 for these, but today they are $519 on NewEgg, they price matched it and gave me a refund.  I was a little worried given their shady practices recently... 

 

Still can't believe in 2022 I'm paying $500 for memory, but all in the name of fun.

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, Custom90gt said:

I sent my G.Skill DDR5 back and received my Oloy 6200-32-38-38-76 @ 1.35v.  So far it's up and running on XMP and 5 hours AIDA64 stable.  Hopefully these won't suck like the G.Skills...

 

*on edit* I initially paid $559 for these, but today they are $519 on NewEgg, they price matched it and gave me a refund.  I was a little worried given their shady practices recently... 

 

Still can't believe in 2022 I'm paying $500 for memory, but all in the name of fun.

Maybe after Steve Burke's GamersNexus videos they figured it was time to get their act together again, pronto. I hope so anyway. Now, if they will knock it off with the $200 membership racketeering thing to be eligible to purchase GPUs we will be making some headway.

 

Good that they price-matched.  Congrats on that.

[Reciever]

38 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe after Steve Burke's GamersNexus videos they figured it was time to get their act together again, pronto. I hope so anyway. Now, if they will knock it off with the $200 membership racketeering thing to be eligible to purchase GPUs we will be making some headway.

 

Good that they price-matched.  Congrats on that.

Good Lord, Newegg too? 

I only buy off the second hand market so I dont tend to see much of the retail practices these days. Used to buy from Newegg exclusively but stepped away around the time I used laptops full time.

 

EDIT: 

Just wanted to ask as I know the Desktop / Benchmarks thread was picture heavy but have things been working well here? I believe the methodology we used was to load as you scroll so that it becomes more performance agnostic for individual members.

Edited February 15, 2022 by Reciever

[Rage Set]

My 12900K is still rated SP82 on the Z690 Extreme! Yay! At least Asus is consistent. 

[Rage Set]

15 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Good Lord, Newegg too? 

I only buy off the second hand market so I dont tend to see much of the retail practices these days. Used to buy from Newegg exclusively but stepped away around the time I used laptops full time.

 

EDIT: 

Just wanted to ask as I know the Desktop / Benchmarks thread was picture heavy but have things been working well here? I believe the methodology we used was to load as you scroll so that it becomes more performance agnostic for individual members.

 

The loading as you scroll makes the page jerk for me. The images POP. I thought it was my browser. I kept my Inspector on, trying to figure it out myself. Now I know. 

[Mr. Fox]

39 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Good Lord, Newegg too? 

I only buy off the second hand market so I dont tend to see much of the retail practices these days. Used to buy from Newegg exclusively but stepped away around the time I used laptops full time.

 

EDIT: 

Just wanted to ask as I know the Desktop / Benchmarks thread was picture heavy but have things been working well here? I believe the methodology we used was to load as you scroll so that it becomes more performance agnostic for individual members.

Seems to be working well. Using an image host and using links works best to preserve image quality on larger images, but the forum seems to be working great for me.

[Mr. Fox]

39 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

My 12900K is still rated SP82 on the Z690 Extreme! Yay! At least Asus is consistent. 

Sorry, bro. That is not good.

[Rage Set]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sorry, bro. That is not good.

 

I am fine with it but what I am trying to figure out is why my 12900K is short about 1100 points in CB20 against my 5950X. I got a lot to explore. The P-Cores are at 5.0 and the E-Cores are at 4.0. The 5950X was 4.650. Very interesting first runs. 

[Reciever]

56 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

The loading as you scroll makes the page jerk for me. The images POP. I thought it was my browser. I kept my Inspector on, trying to figure it out myself. Now I know. 

Yes I observed this behavior as well particularly when you scroll quickly. It does retain the pictures after the first instance, but of course refreshing the page makes it "the first instance" all over again.

32 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Seems to be working well. Using an image host and using links works best to preserve image quality on larger images, but the forum seems to be working great for me.

Yes I did get a little feedback elsewhere on that particular topic. I'll look into how we can host larger pictures longer term.

I will do some research to see if this behavior can be altered on a user level or if there are means to mitigate the page jerk, it allows for smoother initial load times but especially in this thread, it can lead to less than desirable experience.