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Microsoft, please stop advertising on my start menu.

Love it :classic_laugh:

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That is a very bad video to show why Windows 11 should suck. There is not a single reason mentioned, that has relevance for daily use. It's just dumb configuration stuff or regarding personalization/customization. Even for DOS 2.0 you had to do this, although then in a very different way and for different reasons.
I find those videos amusing, superficial Windows bashing is sort of a tech sport since the the first beta of Windows 10.

I can understand, why people don't like Windows 10 or 11 and find Win 7 better, but then it should be explained for daily use reasons and not retarded mimimi like the guy above. The "studio" looks hilarious as well.

For the most part i am still using the same software with Windows 11 as i had for 7+10 before. Not a single one runs slower or less stable than before. Even on 5 year old "BGA crap". 🤭

So just maybe, sometimes it's not th OS, but the user. 😉

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If they did a video on what doesn't suck about Windows 11 it would be shorter than a YouTube commercial, LOL. For Windows 10 it would be maybe 10 seconds longer. They both suck, but Window 11 sucks more. 

Aesthetic atrocities aside, the people that like it are only looking on the surface. The payload of utter trash and worthless bloat these digital abortions carry is nothing short of phenomenal. Roughly half of the 120+ services running in the background by default are unnecessary. May of them are present to support the Redmond Retards' stupid sheeple gimmicks, data collection, spying and control freak fetishes.

Debloating newer versions of Winduhz 10/11 helps to minimize the feces, but still isn't enough because the trash is too deeply embedded.

Both of these are debloated and optimized, but look at the payload of filth that remains on the newer trash OS.

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LTSC 2019 - well over 100 running services if not debloated.

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LTSC 21H2 - over 200 services without debloating and still more than 100 after taking out the trash.

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On 2/7/2022 at 6:45 AM, defcon42 said:

That is a very bad video to show why Windows 11 should suck. There is not a single reason mentioned, that has relevance for daily use.

 

Windows 11 is "good enough"... most people who use it will be just fine.  There aren't really any issues with backwards compatibility so apps and devices that work with Windows 10 should by and large also work fine with Windows 11.  It's actually quite good on the stability front as well, despite some snafus early on.

 

I have very real issues with it that have prevented me from moving over.  It's less an issue with "Windows 11 is unsuitable for daily use", and more an issue with how Microsoft is just handling the release — by rushing it out with bugs, power user feature regressions, unnecessary system requirements hike, their desperation to get users on Edge, working to monetize Windows end users through data collection tied up in their Start Menu "recommendations system" and Edge eCommerce "features", and failing to deliver on promised features which has them now introducing post-launch behavior/UI changes in the required monthly patches (a "no-no" for the business environment).  I'm not bashing for sport.  I wanted to like it.  I've been among the first to hop up to each new version of Windows since XP, and have helped many other users with upgrades as well over the years, but this just goes too far for me.  Maybe my "ideals" of what an OS should be (and not be) are too high for the way that the PC ecosystem has shifted.

 

Anyway.  I'm working on an in-depth post/article further expanding on my "short version" linked above in which I will explain my position more clearly, and which I will share here in a few days.  (I've been getting a lot of "should I upgrade to Windows 11?" questions over the last days/weeks, from people both online and IRL, and I need something to point to without having to explain myself over and over 😀.)

 

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1 hour ago, defcon42 said:

That is a very bad video to show why Windows 11 should suck. There is not a single reason mentioned, that has relevance for daily use. It's just dumb configuration stuff or regarding personalization/customization. Even for DOS 2.0 you had to do this, although then in a very different way and for different reasons.
I find those videos amusing, superficial Windows bashing is sort of a tech sport since the the first beta of Windows 10.

Personalization, customization, and the like (related to configuring the usable part of the OS) are a big part of what can make an OS feel great, to a lot of users.  It definitely matters to me!  I'm betting that it matters to a lot of other people as well.  We can't really see or appreciate any advanced security stuff that is programmed into the OS, or appreciate a more optimized bit of code that makes Windows Update run a bit smoother while downloading in the background.  What matters (to me, at least) is if I can set it up to feel familiar and functional, not the Thread Director designed for Intel's Alder Lake P/E core setup.

The measurable performance regression on some systems are another reason.  Sure, it might not be a big hit, but if a user upgrades and spends 7-8 days doing stuff to see that their OS feels less snappy than it did with a years-old install of Windows 10, it's gonna feel like a mistake to have upgraded and they are more than likely downgrade if inside the window.  Just my thoughts!

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45 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

I'm not bashing for sport.  I wanted to like it. 

Same here. I was quick to adopt it, and gave it plenty of time to show me it was the right choice. It wasn't, so I kicked it to the curb. I view it as trash, but it certainly wasn't for a lack of hope that it would not be.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

LTSC 21H2 - over 200 services without debloating and still more than 100 after taking out the trash.

And that's on LTSC... :classic_angry: Imagine number of services on 'Home' or 'Pro' edition.

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1 minute ago, serpro69 said:

And that's on LTSC... :classic_angry: Imagine number of services on 'Home' or 'Pro' edition.

Oh, yeah... it is way lots worse on Home and Pro version. Bloat City. Unacceptable.

Hey Brother @Reciever can we do away with this limitation? It is pretty annoying to not be able to give a reaction after using up a daily quota.

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Just now, Mr. Fox said:

Oh, yeah... it is way lots worse on Home and Pro version. Bloat City. Unacceptable.

Hey Brother @Reciever can we do away with this limitation? It is pretty annoying to not be able to give a reaction after using up a daily quota.

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I plan to do exactly that, we just need to decouple Likes/Emoji's from the REP system (which is why the limitation is in place by default)

Let me touch base with @Hiewand make sure we are on the same page first.

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Just now, Reciever said:

I plan to do exactly that, we just need to decouple Likes/Emoji's from the REP system (which is why the limitation is in place by default)

Let me touch base with @Hiewand make sure we are on the same page first.

Thanks. I can't give you a rep for the prompt reply for the reason I asked the question, LOL. 
But, it's the thought that counts. I would have if I could have. 👍

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks. I can't give you a rep for the prompt reply for the reason I asked the question, LOL. 
But, it's the thought that counts. I would have if I could have. 👍

Its all good :) I appreciate you giving this platform a chance.

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4 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Its all good 🙂 I appreciate you giving this platform a chance.

Certainly. My pleasure. It's not hard to want to hang out with people you have enjoyed being around for more than a decade... some have been friends for about 15 years.

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2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Oh, yeah... it is way lots worse on Home and Pro version. Bloat City. Unacceptable.

Add to that the fact that most of the "debloat tweaks" won't even work on Home and a bunch of things that did work on Pro once have been also disabled in later builds... What a nightmare.

On a more positive note, here's what just popped up in my github feed https://github.com/hellzerg/optimizer. Coincidence? I don't think so :classic_laugh: 
Haven't use it yet, but it looks promising and in active development, so most stuff hopefully works.

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10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

If they did a video on what doesn't suck about Windows 11 it would be shorter than a YouTube commercial, LOL. For Windows 10 it would be maybe 10 seconds longer. They both suck, but Window 11 sucks more. 

Aesthetic atrocities aside, the people that like it are only looking on the surface. The payload of utter trash and worthless bloat these digital abortions carry is nothing short of phenomenal. Roughly half of the 120+ services running in the background by default are unnecessary. May of them are present to support the Redmond Retards' stupid sheeple gimmicks, data collection, spying and control freak fetishes.

Debloating newer versions of Winduhz 10/11 helps to minimize the feces, but still isn't enough because the trash is too deeply embedded.

Both of these are debloated and optimized, but look at the payload of filth that remains on the newer trash OS.

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LTSC 2019 - well over 100 running services if not debloated.

Services.thumb.JPG.4384ffa6ec9ec1764db66f837f61a14b.JPG

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LTSC 21H2 - over 200 services without debloating and still more than 100 after taking out the trash.

Debloated_Still_Bloated.thumb.JPG.88de5590e2115cb9ee0c3d246c487045.JPG

 

Seeing the LTSC 2019 vs 2021 things makes me wish the games I play didn't require newer Win10 builds. I have an Arch Linux install on a separate partition on my system, but there's just some things that won't run due to anticheat compatibility (*cough cough nProtect GameGuard) so I gotta deal with it for the time being.

Oh, how far Windows has fallen. I mean, hell, I actually liked 8.1 with Classic/Open Shell on it, and it was definitely faster overall. Just so much crapware and disappointment to me ruins it.

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If they did a video on what doesn't suck about Windows 11 it would be shorter than a YouTube commercial, LOL. For Windows 10 it would be maybe 10 seconds longer. They both suck, but Window 11 sucks more. 

Aesthetic atrocities aside, the people that like it are only looking on the surface. The payload of utter trash and worthless bloat these digital abortions carry is nothing short of phenomenal. Roughly half of the 120+ services running in the background by default are unnecessary. May of them are present to support the Redmond Retards' stupid sheeple gimmicks, data collection, spying and control freak fetishes.

Debloating newer versions of Winduhz 10/11 helps to minimize the feces, but still isn't enough because the trash is too deeply embedded.

Both of these are debloated and optimized, but look at the payload of filth that remains on the newer trash OS.

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LTSC 2019 - well over 100 running services if not debloated.

Services.thumb.JPG.4384ffa6ec9ec1764db66f837f61a14b.JPG

  Reveal hidden contents

LTSC 21H2 - over 200 services without debloating and still more than 100 after taking out the trash.

Debloated_Still_Bloated.thumb.JPG.88de5590e2115cb9ee0c3d246c487045.JPG

 

I turns out they did do such a video. I agree that the "Settings" app is better. But, that is the only improvement IMHO. Certainly not enough in light of all of the drawbacks to make downgrading to Windows 11 something I would consider worth doing. The disadvantages eclipse the one or two benefits.

1 minute ago, Katja said:

Seeing the LTSC 2019 vs 2021 things makes me wish the games I play didn't require newer Win10 builds. I have an Arch Linux install on a separate partition on my system, but there's just some things that won't run due to anticheat compatibility (*cough cough nProtect GameGuard) so I gotta deal with it for the time being.

Oh, how far Windows has fallen. I mean, hell, I actually liked 8.1 with Classic/Open Shell on it, and it was definitely faster overall. Just so much crapware and disappointment to me ruins it.

Yeah, I hear you, bro. I made the decision that any games that I want to play that require a version of Windows I am not interested in are games that I will skip over. I am not willing to compromise what I want in an OS for the sake of playing a game. But, that's me. I do not expect everyone to feel the same way about it.

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On 2/7/2022 at 6:22 PM, Katja said:

Seeing the LTSC 2019 vs 2021 things makes me wish the games I play didn't require newer Win10 builds.

On 2/7/2022 at 6:27 PM, Mr. Fox said:

I made the decision that any games that I want to play that require a version of Windows I am not interested in are games that I will skip over. I am not willing to compromise what I want in an OS for the sake of playing a game.

 

I came to the same conclusion as @Mr. Fox, but more recently...  I hopped on the LTSC train about three months ago.  At least LTSC 2021 is current so you can play any game on there (for now).  And the situation might be better for this cycle as there will be a lot of people sticking with Windows 10 — Microsoft saw to that by only allowing PCs from 2018 and up to upgrade to 11.

 

Anyway, if there is a game that requires a newer version than the current LTSC that I am particularly interested in then it will just go to my backlog and I'll get to it after the next upgrade is out.  Really, it was a small number of games that couldn't run on LTSC 2019 so I'm not expecting this to be much of an issue.

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Multiple reports over the past day or two about new features coming to Windows 11, discovered in preview builds (but not actually announced by Microsoft), including:

(Again, I don't want to "bash for sport", but I'd like to see them address things that people are actually complaining about first...)

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On 2/7/2022 at 11:18 AM, Hertzian56 said:

I hope we get some of those debloated custom iso's like we got on the nbr win10 ltsc thread, can't remember the guy who did that but it was awesome resource to have.

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News —

Multiple reports over the past day or two about new features coming to Windows 11, discovered in preview builds (but not actually announced by Microsoft), including:

(Again, I don't want to "bash for sport", but I'd like to see them address things that people are actually complaining about first...)

Yep, as I have expected a long time. Win 11 will be the new Win 8. And this time... <They> won't change as they did from Win 8 to Win 8.1 when they killed their Windows phones. 

A possible return of some Tablet Mode features that were removed in the migration from Windows 10 to Windows 11.

Run and buy a Surfacebook (2 in 1) and enjoy Microsoft's new Tablet/Phone OS. Or just jump on a Chrome OS. If you have the money... Maybe an Applebook or tablet and enjoy the real deal. Yep, its a Joke, but here we are. Microsoft kill their own and only desktop OS.

There is no reasons for Microsoft make a desktop OS anymore. Hybrid Junk is good enough. 

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saw this a few days ago from ghacks.net

https://www.ghacks.net/2022/02/10/windows-11-will-soon-remind-you-if-your-pc-does-not-meet-the-requirements/

 

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yea good luck trying to run Win11 on "unsupported" systems

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I just can't understand why some people want Win 11 for whatever costs. Expect more trash will come from Redmond HQ. Do you want this on your computer? @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox 

 

Windows 11: how to bypass TPM checks during dynamic updates ghacks.net

 

Windows 11 users who have installed Microsoft's operating system on devices that don't meet the minimum system requirements may have run into troubles installing recent updates. Updates may fail to install on these devices and users may be puzzled as to why that is happening.

windows 11 skip tpm check updates

Microsoft did announce previously that it would not guarantee that any kind of updates would install on devices that would not meet Windows 11's minimum system requirements. It appears that some updates check for requirements, and if these are not met, won't install on devices.

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On 2/20/2022 at 8:26 PM, Aaron44126 said:

Yep, expect the development team will put in more work into make it even better for phones and tablets. A real hybrid beast. Want it bro @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix? Can it be even worse than Win 11 ? This smells as the real death for real desktop OS as we know it. 

 

I wonder what Cpu requirements Microsoft will land on for their next touch friendly OS disaster. Maybe 9th gen Intel and 5000 series Ryzen chips from AMD?

 

Windows 11 successor could already be in the works
 

Windows 12 development is expected to kick-off next month
https://www.techradar.com/news/windows-11-successor-could-already-be-in-the-works

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