Official Clevo NH55JNNQ / NH5xJNxx 12th gen Socket 1700 LGA laptop thread

[-batab-]

Can the current cooling of the NH55 handle a sustained 100-125W cpu load decently? If yes, this would make it a very good workstation considering how efficient the 12900K becomes.

 

I have to replace my current 7820hk clevo but it's hard to find a considerable upgrade while retaining a good comprimise in terms of portability and power.

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, -batab- said:

Can the current cooling of the NH55 handle a sustained 100-125W cpu load decently? If yes, this would make it a very good workstation considering how efficient the 12900K becomes.

 

I have to replace my current 7820hk clevo but it's hard to find a considerable upgrade while retaining a good comprimise in terms of portability and power.

thats what we are currently trying to figure out 😃 in my case CB23 averages 90W cpu load but it goes all the way up to 145W (thats after throttlestop tweaks). but i think theres still some headroom left.

 

btw @win32asmguy are you having any touchpad issues? i sometimes notice something funky: on the desk the touchpad is super laggy, almost non-responsive. but when i put the machine on my lap (both cases connected to AC), the touchpad suddenly works just fine. like, wtf? 😂 will look into the touchpad settings, i have a feeling this is some kinda "accidental input prevention" thingy i need to switch off somewhere....

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, -batab- said:

Can the current cooling of the NH55 handle a sustained 100-125W cpu load decently? If yes, this would make it a very good workstation considering how efficient the 12900K becomes.

 

I have to replace my current 7820hk clevo but it's hard to find a considerable upgrade while retaining a good comprimise in terms of portability and power.

 

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

thats what we are currently trying to figure out 😃 in my case CB23 averages 90W cpu load but it goes all the way up to 145W (thats after throttlestop tweaks). but i think theres still some headroom left.

 

True, physically inspecting the Heatsink doesn't inspire reaching massive heights of cooling excellence but we haven't even reached the stage of modding the heatsink to help improve cooling yet. We'll look back a few months (or more) from now and be amazed at the improvements that were able to be implemented. It's the standard "Clevo Cha Cha" Taking to a crowbar to the BIOS will help too.

 

 

[-batab-]

To be fair, I think that modding heatsink etc. can lead to massive improvements, however I wouldn't mod this bad boy as it would be my working rig 😄 .

 

I was curious to see how well it does just out of the box (or with "small" improvements like repasting / adding pads).

 

My 7820HK is still amazing, especially when undervolted and fixed a 3.1 GHz as it delivers good performances without ever exceeding 70-75°C under 100% sustained load. This also allows fans to be moderaly quiet even during intense workloads.

 

I'm basically looking for the most flexible and yet powerful solution and I feel like a K-version Alder-Lake with four nicely tuned ThrottleStop profiles would just do the trick. However, I never toyed around with LGA laptops as they all were too bulky for me.

 

This new Clevo is instead as bulky as my p650hp6 so I wouldn't mind having an LGA cpu. Really interested in this beast!

[win32asmguy]

On 5/29/2022 at 11:55 AM, electrosoft said:

You can definitely see the uv definitely giving some head room. When you run the same range of uv's on your other 12900k's what range of scores do you achieve? Do the other 12900k's also make it through a run without thermal throttling at -100mv?

 

You're reaching that point where your next step is a delid with a milled, flat (and probably ever so slightly taller) copper IHS. Delids on 12th (especially 12900k) have consistently shown. The idea now is to separate (even if only by the tiniest amount) the best of your group of 12900k's and delid that one and install a proper IHS.

 

I can't recall if you did a spread test (dollop of compound, center application, install heatsink, run a few CB23 runs to heat it up and then remove heatsink to see how it naturally spread)?

The Newegg 12900k is still better at the same UV:

 

23892 -100mv VID 0.951 at 42x 131.1W (from Throttlestop logs)

 

This may sound odd but I also ordered one of those new Asus Strix Scar 17 SE's, with the BGA 12950HX. The Asus rep said PL1 is 160W and PL2 is 175W on CPU-only loads. I like the idea of the vapor chamber because even if the 3080Ti is inactive, it should be able to evenly distribute load from the CPU to all available fin stacks.

 

I don't really have deep pockets, most of what I buy just gets resold at a loss a few months later. Luckily I bought property in Colorado back in 2010 when the market was still recovering so my housing expenses are not bad. I tend to do handyman work myself too which I think saves a bit. I never really cared much for new cars / boats / big campers. I also pack lunches and brew coffee myself which saves money too!

[Clamibot]

19 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

The Newegg 12900k is still better at the same UV:

 

23892 -100mv VID 0.951 at 42x 131.1W (from Throttlestop logs)

 

This may sound odd but I also ordered one of those new Asus Strix Scar 17 SE's, with the BGA 12950HX. The Asus rep said PL1 is 160W and PL2 is 175W on CPU-only loads. I like the idea of the vapor chamber because even if the 3080Ti is inactive, it should be able to evenly distribute load from the CPU to all available fin stacks.

 

I don't really have deep pockets, most of what I buy just gets resold at a loss a few months later. Luckily I bought property in Colorado back in 2010 when the market was still recovering so my housing expenses are not bad. I tend to do handyman work myself too which I think saves a bit. I never really cared much for new cars / boats / big campers. I also pack lunches and brew coffee myself which saves money too!

 

So basically you spend most of your disposable income on computers then? If that's the case, then you sound just like me heh heh 🤣.

 

Some of my friends think I'm rich because I have a lot of computers in my room. I'm not rich, not even close! It's just that I only have one hobby that isn't completely related to computers, and that hobby pretty much costs nothing, so I end up spending most of my disposable income on computers or parts.

 

My hobbies in order of priority and the enjoyment I derive from them are:

1. Playing video games

2. Developing video games / programming in general

3. Overclocking and tinkering with computers

4. Playing guitar

 

As you can see, my top 3 all have something to do with computers, so that's where my disposable income goes to. I'm very patient when it comes to buying video games, so I typically get them multiple years after release, and during a Steam sale at that, so I don't spend much on games. Playing guitar costs me nothing since I already have one. Developing games costs me nothing. Software development is my source of income as well as doubling as a hobby. Combine everything I mentioned before with frugal living and that affords me a large allowance for computer parts 🤣. I'm super glad I can really enjoy the few hobbies I have.

 

Well that was a giant sidetrack from the conversation. Any word on Clevo releasing a 17 inch Alder Lake or Raptor Lake based DTR soon?

[jaybee83]

ha! what a shocker, sounds like NBT just like NBR before it attracts a ton of very like minded ppl 😂 i also consider myself a pretty frugal person, the only stuff i spent a lot of money on regularly is travels and computer parts / tech. everything else, including clothing, food, cars, etc i just spend whatever is absolutely necessary to get the job done 😋

 

nothing im aware of in the rumor mill regarding 17 incher DTR with socketed hardware. could be that well only see smth new once nextgen cpus and gpus are out (Zen 4, Raptor Lake, RDNA3, Lovelace....)

[electrosoft]

5 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

The Newegg 12900k is still better at the same UV:

 

23892 -100mv VID 0.951 at 42x 131.1W (from Throttlestop logs)

 

This may sound odd but I also ordered one of those new Asus Strix Scar 17 SE's, with the BGA 12950HX. The Asus rep said PL1 is 160W and PL2 is 175W on CPU-only loads. I like the idea of the vapor chamber because even if the 3080Ti is inactive, it should be able to evenly distribute load from the CPU to all available fin stacks.

 

I don't really have deep pockets, most of what I buy just gets resold at a loss a few months later. Luckily I bought property in Colorado back in 2010 when the market was still recovering so my housing expenses are not bad. I tend to do handyman work myself too which I think saves a bit. I never really cared much for new cars / boats / big campers. I also pack lunches and brew coffee myself which saves money too!

 

23892 is really good all things considered and shows even in a sea of 12900k and one 12900ks) it rises to the top. If I threw all your 12900k's and 12900ks on my Asus board I suspect the one good newegg one would be SP90+, the others in the mid SP80s or lower and the 12900k would probably be high SP80s.

 

Based on the reviews, the Strix Scar 17 SE w/ 12950HX is a monster system with proper cooling to back up the CPU performance. I think it will, at worst, perform as well as the X15 does now and at best will beat it flat out once fine tuned because the cooling is just better even if the silicon might be average plus it is a 17.3" display. The 3080ti is the icing on the cake. I expect it to be as beastly as a BGA laptop can be in every aspect.

 

You could be in my predicament: I'm testing and reviewing an MSI GL66 Pulse 12700H atm and right now right out of the box it is pure garbage getting ~10.5k on CB23 on multi and 1771 on single. The 3070 is the 105w neutered version clocking in around a decent 3060 laptop GPU (TS = 8800). To top it off, it is overheating on both single and multi. Gear 2 memory = 91ns latency. If I paid out of pocket for something like this in its right out of the box state, I'd be pretty upset. I'll end up posting in the MSI thread down the road about the trials and tribulations of this thing.

 

You and I (and @Clamibot and @jaybee83) all sound alike. I don't care much about other leisurely spending but I do like tech. A car to me is a means to and end and I am not into big houses, RVs, etc... We all have our vices. Tech just happens to be mine. 🙂

 

 

 

 

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

23892 is really good all things considered and shows even in a sea of 12900k and one 12900ks) it rises to the top. If I threw all your 12900k's and 12900ks on my Asus board I suspect the one good newegg one would be SP90+, the others in the mid SP80s or lower and the 12900k would probably be high SP80s.

 

Based on the reviews, the Strix Scar 17 SE w/ 12950HX is a monster system with proper cooling to back up the CPU performance. I think it will, at worst, perform as well as the X15 does now and at best will beat it flat out once fine tuned because the cooling is just better even if the silicon might be average plus it is a 17.3" display. The 3080ti is the icing on the cake. I expect it to be as beastly as a BGA laptop can be in every aspect.

 

You could be in my predicament: I'm testing and reviewing an MSI GL66 Pulse 12700H atm and right now right out of the box it is pure garbage getting ~10.5k on CB23 on multi and 1771 on single. The 3070 is the 105w neutered version clocking in around a decent 3060 laptop GPU (TS = 8800). To top it off, it is overheating on both single and multi. Gear 2 memory = 91ns latency. If I paid out of pocket for something like this in its right out of the box state, I'd be pretty upset. I'll end up posting in the MSI thread down the road about the trials and tribulations of this thing.

 

You and I (and @Clamibot and @jaybee83) all sound alike. I don't care much about other leisurely spending but I do like tech. A car to me is a means to and end and I am not into big houses, RVs, etc... We all have our vices. Tech just happens to be mine. 🙂

Yeah that Newegg one seems to be the best. It can also make it through a single CBR23 run without thermal throttling, even without an undervolt. If I have it delidded I would probably just send it off to rockitcool and have them do it.

 

As far as the Strix Scar 17 SE goes, this video I found was far more informative than the Dave2D video:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gfwhm7SJ4&t=400s

 

MSI has made some of the best and worst laptops I have used. The WT75 was amazing. MXM GPU and LGA CPU. Ran on a single 330W brick but could also take dual bricks for more power draw. Unlocked bios via the hidden key combo. It had a MUX and could get 5 hours of battery life with tuning even as a 17 inch DTR.

 

Now, MSI is too concerned about competing with other manufacturers and the type of machines they make. Every single one of them also has had obnoxious high pitched fan whistle under any kind of load. They have also decided to invent bizarre keyboard layouts that makes switching between a desktop keyboard and their laptop very painful.

 

[Nico3110]

Hello,

 

I'm Nico from Germany and I've signed up because I've bought the same laptop in Germany from Clevo-Computer dot com. I have an i9-12900T (because I thought it would be more power efficient...). I've already done some tweaks with ThrottleStop to get six hours battery time and managed to disable dGPU with UEFI shell. I could dump my BIOS (it's version 1.07.04) and upload it. But I have one question: I've modded my dumped BIOS. How can I flash it? Insyde H2OFFT doesn't flash it and the Intel firmware flash tool doesn't flash it too and I get an error (something with locked registers)...

 

Best regards and thanks for this awesome thread!

 

P.S. this laptop has definitively a MUX too!

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Nico3110 said:

Hello,

 

I'm Nico from Germany and I've signed up because I've bought the same laptop in Germany from Clevo-Computer dot com. I have an i9-12900T (because I thought it would be more power efficient...). I've already done some tweaks with ThrottleStop to get six hours battery time and managed to disable dGPU with UEFI shell. I could dump my BIOS (it's version 1.07.04) and upload it. But I have one question: I've modded my dumped BIOS. How can I flash it? Insyde H2OFFT doesn't flash it and the Intel firmware flash tool doesn't flash it too and I get an error (something with locked registers)...

 

Best regards and thanks for this awesome thread!

 

P.S. this laptop has definitively a MUX too!

Willkommen bei NBT Nico! 😁 Good to have another owner on board, the more the merrier!

 

thats pretty sweet with six hours, how did you disable the dgpu exactly?

 

yep, those bios flash locks are exactly what were currently trying to figure out to enable the unicorn magic. i dont want to do a forced flash since that would risk bricking the system.

 

do you have a bios option available for the supposed MUX? i figure if youre indeed able to disable the dgpu, the mux would somehow have to be involved? more deets on that please! 🤠

 

oh and dont forget to post benchmark results, temps, clocks, wattages etc 😉

 

@win32asmguy and @Nico3110 would u guys mind uploading your stock bios / vbios versions? i think we should start a depository here 🙂

 

[Nico3110]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

how did you disable the dgpu exactly?

Let's do some magic:

1. Dump your BIOS:

Follow the instructions from point one of this link: Click.

2. Download UEFITool 0.28.0 (why 0.28.0? Because newer versions can't modify BIOS roms).

3. Open your dump with UEFITool, press CTRL + F to start a search, select 'Text' and type 'MSHybrid'. Then in the message-box there should be some results. Double click one of them. Now right click the selected entry and choose 'extract as is'. Save it to a location you want (the name doesn't matter).

4. Use the tutorial of the link above and use IRFExtractor to create a human readable file of your extract.

NOTE: Windows 11 doesn't have msvcp120.dll and msvcr120.dll. You can use 32bit versions from internet.

5. Open your newly generated .txt file and search for 'MSHybrid' again.

NOTE: I've attached a screenshot: Red is the offset of the variable, green is the VarStore and blue are the possible values. You have to note the underlined values and the offset to a piece of paper and remember the VarStore value for the next point.

6. Find the name of your VarStore: search for 'VarStoreEFI' (if you search backwards it should find it immediately). It should look like the second screenshot. Compare the first blue mark of the entries with your VarStore value. If it is the same value, you can look for the name in the same line (second blue mark). Write it down on your paper.

7. Now follow step 5 of the link given above (you could also download this EFI shell to the root of your C:\ partition and boot it from file)

This section will describe the process for MY BIOS!

8. Once the shell is booted, type 'setup-var [NameOfVarStore]  [offset] [value]'

For example:

setup-var SaSetup 0xB1 0x0

for iGPU only and

setup-var SaSetup 0xB1 0x4

for MSHybrid.

9. Restart using 'restart' or 'reboot' (I don't know which one works 😉).

 

WARNING:

Don't set it to discrete GPU only! It is not tested and it's possible that the screen of your laptop doesn't work in this mode!

 

 

The MUX switch should be there if you can set these values. Or does a MUX switch do something else?

[Nico3110]

My BIOS:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HiQZN0LQUMU5Et7hde-hUGIhn0erigQS/view?usp=sharing

 

I don't know how to dump the vBIOS...

 

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

do you have a bios option available for the supposed MUX?

No, there is no entry in my setup menu. But I can change it by hand 🙂

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Nico3110 said:

My BIOS:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HiQZN0LQUMU5Et7hde-hUGIhn0erigQS/view?usp=sharing

 

I don't know how to dump the vBIOS...

 

No, there is no entry in my setup menu. But I can change it by hand 🙂

you can try dumping the vbios with gpu-z, although its a hit and miss depending on the hardware.

 

@win32asmguy also found entries for a mux switch in the bios but there way nothing to be done, unfortunately. maybe it was abandoned during early development or will only come up in a future bios revision?

[Nico3110]

14 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

you can try dumping the vbios with gpu-z

Ok. I will try it at home...

I tried to unlock everything in advanced screen of BIOS, but with UEFI shell it doesn't work. Everything that would be interesting doesn't work. All these show xxx entries are made in the Setup VarStore (Id 0x1), but the UEFI shell does not recognize the size of this varstore correctly and therefore there are offset out of range errors. Are there other possibilities?

[win32asmguy]

3 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

you can try dumping the vbios with gpu-z, although its a hit and miss depending on the hardware.

 

@win32asmguy also found entries for a mux switch in the bios but there way nothing to be done, unfortunately. maybe it was abandoned during early development or will only come up in a future bios revision?

I tried setting the MUX switch to dedicated only mode but it disabled the internal screen.

 

Either the hardware switch is only present on certain NH5x models, or the custom code in the bios to configure the hardware switch is disabled or not present. If the same hardware switch is used in the BGA Alder Lake laptops Clevo launched, the code to configure the switch may be backported into the NH5x bios in a new release as well.

 

@Nico3110 How is the 12900T? Have you ran any benchmarks to determine max performance and power draw, with Throttlestop overriding power limits? I had a thought that maybe these chips were binned by Intel as low leak, low pull given the lower target TDP and turbo limits.

[Nico3110]

59 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

How is the 12900T?

It performs well. I've done geekbench benchmarks but with Windows 10. Single core was exactly the same as i9-12900 and multicore nearly the same. Something between 13000 and 14000. I will run some CineBench benchmarks with Windows 11 soon. I can't tell much about power consumption. And ThrottleStop isn't able to do much. You can disable Turbo Boost, C1E, Speed shift and some other minor things. I will report back tomorrow I guess.

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Yeah that Newegg one seems to be the best. It can also make it through a single CBR23 run without thermal throttling, even without an undervolt. If I have it delidded I would probably just send it off to rockitcool and have them do it.

 

As far as the Strix Scar 17 SE goes, this video I found was far more informative than the Dave2D video:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15gfwhm7SJ4&t=400s

 

MSI has made some of the best and worst laptops I have used. The WT75 was amazing. MXM GPU and LGA CPU. Ran on a single 330W brick but could also take dual bricks for more power draw. Unlocked bios via the hidden key combo. It had a MUX and could get 5 hours of battery life with tuning even as a 17 inch DTR.

 

Now, MSI is too concerned about competing with other manufacturers and the type of machines they make. Every single one of them also has had obnoxious high pitched fan whistle under any kind of load. They have also decided to invent bizarre keyboard layouts that makes switching between a desktop keyboard and their laptop very painful.

 

 

I'm glad you were able to identify the diamond in the rough. When you test enough one will rise to the top. For your criteria, it even bests the 12900ks. Definitely the next step would be a delid and copper IHS relid as it has shown consistently with 12th gen to not only lower temps meaningfully (up to 10c) but help tighten core temp differentials. You also get a properly milled, flat IHS with a touch more height since most laptop heatsinks are flat for a better pairing.

 

Even with that being a hard shill/sell video it really did present a better look inside and the approach they're taking. They even made sure to coat the heatsink contact plates with nickel to avoid any soak issues. That looks really nice! Looking forward to seeing your results. You might as well start a thread for it in the Asus forums so we can all follow the magic. Any ETA?

 

And yeah, I just finished up my preliminary analysis and review of the GL66. Overheating everywhere it even overheated playing wow within 30min at 100c on the CPU. GPU isn't too bad. 73c tops and 85c hot spot. I'm going to crack it open soon and take a look since the surface / unboxing portion of the program is finished. 105w GPU rated but it is pulling 140w when gaming and that PSU is toasty.

 

 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Nico3110 said:

Hello,

 

I'm Nico from Germany and I've signed up because I've bought the same laptop in Germany from Clevo-Computer dot com. I have an i9-12900T (because I thought it would be more power efficient...). I've already done some tweaks with ThrottleStop to get six hours battery time and managed to disable dGPU with UEFI shell. I could dump my BIOS (it's version 1.07.04) and upload it. But I have one question: I've modded my dumped BIOS. How can I flash it? Insyde H2OFFT doesn't flash it and the Intel firmware flash tool doesn't flash it too and I get an error (something with locked registers)...

 

Best regards and thanks for this awesome thread!

 

P.S. this laptop has definitively a MUX too!

 

Welcome Nico and thank you so much for adding more data and BIOS to the "maximize this mini beast" party! It is greatly appreciated.

 

8 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

@win32asmguy and @Nico3110 would u guys mind uploading your stock bios / vbios versions? i think we should start a depository here 🙂

 

 

Agreed. So far, we have your PCS version and now Nico's Clevo-Computer version. Still need Eurocom's.

 

Hopefully you and Prema can figure out how to get the Unicorn running free in the field!

 

I keep loading up Eurocom's configurator page fighting the urge to order one. I wish they would offer a barebones version. I'll wait for a used model to hopefully pop up at a good price on eBay or similar. 🙂

 

 

[jaybee83]

45 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Welcome Nico and thank you so much for adding more data and BIOS to the "maximize this mini beast" party! It is greatly appreciated.

 

 

Agreed. So far, we have your PCS version and now Nico's Clevo-Computer version. Still need Eurocom's.

 

Hopefully you and Prema can figure out how to get the Unicorn running free in the field!

 

I keep loading up Eurocom's configurator page fighting the urge to order one. I wish they would offer a barebones version. I'll wait for a used model to hopefully pop up at a good price on eBay or similar. 🙂

 

 

test version no. 3 just arrived today, lets see if this one is the flashable one 😉 

[Nico3110]

What is the point of testing different devices if they are flashable? Do you think it's possible that some BIOSes doesn't have a flash protection? In fact I found out that my BIOS doesn't block flashing by configuration. Every known UEFI variable which could prevent flashing is set to the proper value to flash the BIOS. But in some laptop BIOSes there is something hard coded to prevent flashing, but that would be a no go because I guess there will be updates to our BIOs versions which can be made by normal users... Maybe there are already updates for one of the reseller BIOSes? Somebody here knows where to get BIOS for Hasee products. They sell the same device (I think it's the same. Could be another chassis tho)

[jaybee83]

flashing galore! 🤠 been at it with the unicorn master for like 3.5 hours now, lots of stepping stones. black screens, BSODs, flash blocks, secure boot shenanigans, its got it all 😄

[Nico3110]

One question: is Prema the unicorn master? And that's interesting! What have you tested? Which BIOS version did you try to flash or mod? At work I could look around if we have a hardware flasher. I would try it if we have one that fits. Does anybody know what hardware flasher work for this BIOS chip? Or did you already test it?

[Nico3110]

Does 3800MHz RAM work in this laptop? Is it really at 3800MHz? I saw that @jaybee83 has that in his signature...

[Nico3110]

I've made some benchmarks... see this screenshot...

 

I've managed to set power limits with Throttlestop and it seems that my CPU has a package power of nearly 140W (139.4) when starting a multithreading benchmark. Then immediately it gets down to 105W and stuck at this level. After PROCHOT the temperature is between 90°C and 95°C slowly increasing.

 

Test conditions:

- Cinebench is configured to run on the NVIDIA GPU (via control panel)

- The process priority is one step above normal

- The fans are manually set to 100%

- AC is connected