clevo p870tm/tm1-g Official Clevo P870TM-G Thread

[Csupati]

On 6/22/2023 at 2:55 AM, ViktorV said:

rtx2080super mxm 16g gddr) 200w tgp

Lol the 2080 super is only ~10% stronger then the 2080? It was tested without intel turbo boost!

[Developer79]

21 hours ago, Eurocom Support Team said:

You may consider switching your current AC Adapters to single 780W specially when running dual GPUs and/or RTX 3080.

 

The 780W AC adapter brings an unprecedented level of convenience and power to owners of high performance professional and gaming laptops that would normally require two 280W or two 330W AC adapters. It weights only 2.95lbs (1.34kg) and measures 12.8x4.3x1.5in (325x110x40mm)

The power supply does a good job. My last big test was a P870TM with 2x RTX3080(SLI) and original Vapourchamber...Unfortunately it is hardly possible to modify the new drivers regarding SLI anymore!!!

Edited July 20, 2023 by katalin_2003

[FTW_260]

7 minutes ago, Csupati said:

Lol the 2080 super is only ~10% stronger then the 2080?

Nope:

[cmgver]

these are the results I got with the 3090 ti and the 8700k

 

[DreDre2022]

21 hours ago, Eurocom Support Team said:

You may consider switching your current AC Adapters to single 780W specially when running dual GPUs and/or RTX 3080.

 

The 780W AC adapter brings an unprecedented level of convenience and power to owners of high performance professional and gaming laptops that would normally require two 280W or two 330W AC adapters. It weights only 2.95lbs (1.34kg) and measures 12.8x4.3x1.5in (325x110x40mm)

 

I just bought one of these for my x170kmG. I saw y'all have put these on sale. 

Edited July 20, 2023 by katalin_2003

[Developer79]

Here my last Experiment with P870TM / 2x RTX3080 / 9900KS and the big Power supply(780W):

And all this with the original Vapourchamber with adapters. The temperatures are very good with the vapour chamber. This is the best heatsink ever built for the P870!!!

[Tenoroon]

On 7/18/2023 at 6:59 PM, cmgver said:

During that path @Tenoroon (1 million thanks) shared with me this link where you can get the latest Dsanke bios, the one using an external programmer as well as the one where you only need a flash drive and several steps described inside. https://files.catbox.moe/b9081g.zip

Thanks for the mention. I should probably mention that the link will only last 30 days. I've gotten many requests for the Dsanke BIOSes so I might talk to a buddy of mine and see if he'll let me host a small sharex server with all of the BIOS files for ease of access for the people on here.

On the other hand, I finally sent in my dead 2080S in for repair. I really hope it's not a dead core. If it's not the phase controller or the VRAM that went out, I'm afraid there's a good chance it's the core, especially due to the artifacting it created right before death.

Alongside the repair, I might be able to provide some information about that MXM to PCIE adapter I got. I'm letting the guy who is repairing the card keep the adapter, but we might be able to figure out how it works depending on what he says. The adapter was always really goofy, so I hope it doesn't cause any roadblocks for the repair.

[jluo1336]

On 7/17/2023 at 3:02 AM, Developer79 said:

You don't have to have the copper heatsink. There are also adapters to continue using the original heatsink. The temperatures are at full load with me between 55-60 degrees with the air cooling and RTX3080. See pictures in the thread. I think this cooling performance can be seen:-)

Do you know where to buy the adapters and the copper heatsink? I do want to take a look for myself!

[runix18]

5 hours ago, Developer79 said:

Here my last Experiment with P870TM / 2x RTX3080 / 9900KS and the big Power supply(780W):

And all this with the original Vapourchamber with adapters. The temperatures are very good with the vapour chamber. This is the best heatsink ever built for the P870!!!

Of course it is, that vapor chamber was designed for 2x 200w cards. It will go without sweat on 2x 150w.

[Developer79]

5 hours ago, runix18 said:

Of course it is, that vapor chamber was designed for 2x 200w cards. It will go without sweat on 2x 150w.

I know! I think this heat sink is excellent:-) Only a really good water cooling is better. Even today's standard watercooling are worse than the Vapour...

[Csupati]

On 7/20/2023 at 2:19 AM, Tenoroon said:

Thanks for the mention. I should probably mention that the link will only last 30 days. I've gotten many requests for the Dsanke BIOSes so I might talk to a buddy of mine and see if he'll let me host a small sharex server with all of the BIOS files for ease of access for the people on here.

On the other hand, I finally sent in my dead 2080S in for repair. I really hope it's not a dead core. If it's not the phase controller or the VRAM that went out, I'm afraid there's a good chance it's the core, especially due to the artifacting it created right before death.

Alongside the repair, I might be able to provide some information about that MXM to PCIE adapter I got. I'm letting the guy who is repairing the card keep the adapter, but we might be able to figure out how it works depending on what he says. The adapter was always really goofy, so I hope it doesn't cause any roadblocks for the repair.

If you need dsanke bios dm me, ive installed it yesterday , have all dekstop cpu capable 9th gen bios . Heres the compatibility list : 9TH unlocked bios list for clevo

 

 

On 7/19/2023 at 3:02 PM, FTW_260 said:

Nope:

Thats an X170SM, what i have reflected was a 9gen cpu Clevo. In the X170 there is a way better heatsink then the prev gen Clevo laptops.

 

On 7/18/2023 at 6:59 PM, cmgver said:

Guys,

 

I will try to share as much experience gained as possible. Finally I managed to connect the 3090 ti to my p870tm-g using a m.2 to pcie converter. I connected the converter to the only m.2 that I had available, it is the one used for optane disks. I am using my screen connected directly to the 3090 ti. I got this adapter but I am planning to change it for the k43sg because is newer and it supports pcie 4 https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803093134104.html?aff_fcid=eb2bd4815b5e447d8e8ae81dbaa86663-1689688648425-04964-_DDbI7T

 

I didn't have to unlock the bios, but I had to disable the ACPI. I would have never found that if it wasn't for @MR007RM thank you man, you are the best 🙂

 

During that path @Tenoroon (1 million thanks) shared with me this link where you can get the latest Dsanke bios, the one using an external programmer as well as the one where you only need a flash drive and several steps described inside. https://files.catbox.moe/b9081g.zip

 

I even tried to get some help from Eurocom to get the unlocked bios, which they clearly have, but they wanted to charge me around $100 for that. Please buy used gear from Eurocom, they don't deserve to have good customers from this community.

 

Thank you @MR007RM and @Tenoroon for your invaluable help guys!!! You rock!!! Also thank you @ViktorV, @Developer79, @Scruffy, and @runix18 for so many advices to solve so many mysteries 🙂

 

I have a question that maybe you might help me solving: Do you know how can I make to enable both the 3090 ti using the converter, as well as the 1080 mxm installed in the laptop simultaneously? I know that in desktops you can do it, and our board is so similar that maybe that could work. It would be great to have both cards enabled, so I can plug more displays to work. Right now only the one connected to the 3090 ti is working, but I'd love to have also the one connected to the mini displayport.

 

Thank you guys!!!!!!!!

Good to see a fellow Clevo user from the same Country 🙂

The only drawback with the m2 adapter is that its only using an Pcie X4 so theres is a huge bottleneck in the connection, and you get more performance loss with stronger cards, I have tried Alienware Graphics Amplifier that uses a dedicated Pcie X8 connection  first with an 5700XT , then an RTX 3060Ti card. The 5700XT worked well but in performance there wasnt much plus with the 3060Ti, in desktop it would be a resionable upgrade, but with the connection bottleneck it dosnt give that much boost in performance that i was expected(neither with internal or external lcd).

[Developer79]

14 hours ago, Csupati said:

Good to see a fellow Clevo user from the same Country 🙂

The only drawback with the m2 adapter is that its only using an Pcie X4 so theres is a huge bottleneck in the connection, and you get more performance loss with stronger cards, I have tried Alienware Graphics Amplifier that uses a dedicated Pcie X8 connection  first with an 5700XT , then an RTX 3060Ti card. The 5700XT worked well but in performance there wasnt much plus with the 3060Ti, in desktop it would be a resionable upgrade, but with the connection bottleneck it dosnt give that much boost in performance that i was expected(neither with internal or external lcd).

Yes, this is a big disadvantage of the usual adapters! I will soon test an adapter with real 16x connection in the P870TM. Let's see how that works.

[runix18]

7 minutes ago, Developer79 said:

Yes, this is a big disadvantage of the usual adapters! I will soon test an adapter with real 16x connection in the P870TM. Let's see how that works.

The only way to have a direct 16x conection with an external gpu you will need an adaptor wich connects to both of the mxm slots in the P870TM. I do not think you have an 2x MXM to PciE adaptor, it has not been done - aso it will actualy need a controler for the MXM spliting and bios support. You could also go on the Thunderbolt route (but I do not think that works corectly)

Curios of your progres...keep us posted.

[Developer79]

15 minutes ago, runix18 said:

The only way to have a direct 16x conection with an external gpu you will need an adaptor wich connects to both of the mxm slots in the P870TM. I do not think you have an 2x MXM to PciE adaptor, it has not been done - aso it will actualy need a controler for the MXM spliting and bios support. You could also go on the Thunderbolt route (but I do not think that works corectly)

Curios of your progres...keep us posted.

Exactly, you need a direct connection to the MXM ports. For this you need an extra development. But you don't need a controller, because a direct connection is the connection itself! All other possibilities are not worthwhile from a physics point of view. A Thunderbolt port still takes time to allocate the PCIe lanes. Every controller needs time to switch and that would then always be a bottleneck from the PCIexpress point of view.

[runix18]

48 minutes ago, Developer79 said:

Exactly, you need a direct connection to the MXM ports. For this you need an extra development. But you don't need a controller, because a direct connection is the connection itself! All other possibilities are not worthwhile from a physics point of view. A Thunderbolt port still takes time to allocate the PCIe lanes. Every controller needs time to switch and that would then always be a bottleneck from the PCIexpress point of view.

But how do one tricks the slave port to work toghether on the same lanes with the main port? Thats why I think a controler is mandatory.

[Csupati]

On 7/21/2023 at 9:38 AM, runix18 said:

The only way to have a direct 16x conection with an external gpu you will need an adaptor wich connects to both of the mxm slots in the P870TM. I do not think you have an 2x MXM to PciE adaptor, it has not been done - aso it will actualy need a controler for the MXM spliting and bios support. You could also go on the Thunderbolt route (but I do not think that works corectly)

Curios of your progres...keep us posted.

The Thunderbolt  3 egpu adapter is way worst then the m2 method. 

For the older laptops, the communication chain is: CPU-->PCH-->Laptop TB controller--> EGPU TB controller --> GPU and if u use internal diplay  the data has to go back.  With Tiger and Ice lake (TB4) generation theres some upgrade : CPU--> EGPU TB controller--> GPU .

But its still limited to 32gps , and theres a reserve in the communication. 

Im waiting for the TB5 to released or leaked,  for now theres some information that it has 120gbps speed.

 

On 7/21/2023 at 9:49 AM, Developer79 said:

Exactly, you need a direct connection to the MXM ports. For this you need an extra development. But you don't need a controller, because a direct connection is the connection itself! All other possibilities are not worthwhile from a physics point of view. A Thunderbolt port still takes time to allocate the PCIe lanes. Every controller needs time to switch and that would then always be a bottleneck from the PCIexpress point of view.

Its directly connected to the CPU no other devices using that connection and thus the Clevo laptop has a dekstop cpu and chipset its considered as a dekstop PC , the only drawback is that the desktop gpu dosnt have lvds or edp  output signal and the intel gpu is disabled  (in the motherboard theres is no  mux switch and circuit for the intel hd ). I was thinked about that the P870 series has 2 mxm port , so in the main slot u can use an mxm card to get internal screen,  and the second slot u may use an mxm to Pcie adapter , with the windows and nvidia settings its possible to make the desktop gpu to do the graphical work , and possible to get the mxmcard to do the physX work.

In a P370sm3 i was able to put  a 1060+ a Firepro S7100x in the slave mxm slot .

[Developer79]

On 7/21/2023 at 10:39 AM, runix18 said:

But how do one tricks the slave port to work toghether on the same lanes with the main port? Thats why I think a controler is mandatory.

You would have to go deeper into the different hardware specifications. In any case, I can say that no controller is necessary. When I've done my tests, I'll show a few things.

 

On 7/21/2023 at 10:58 AM, Csupati said:

Its directly connected to the CPU no other devices using that connection and thus the Clevo laptop has a dekstop cpu and chipset its considered as a dekstop PC , the only drawback is that the desktop gpu dosnt have lvds or edp  output signal and the intel gpu is disabled  (in the motherboard theres is no  mux switch and circuit for the intel hd ). I was thinked about that the P870 series has 2 mxm port , so in the main slot u can use an mxm card to get internal screen,  and the second slot u may use an mxm to Pcie adapter , with the windows and nvidia settings its possible to make the desktop gpu to do the graphical work , and possible to get the mxmcard to do the physX work.

In a P370sm3 i was able to put  a 1060+ a Firepro S7100x in the slave mxm slot .

I have already made a first test with an AMD card in the thread!

Here is the photo....

 

[Csupati]

1 hour ago, Developer79 said:

I have already made a first test with an AMD card in the thread!

Here is the photo....

 

Nice,  the card its self is using 2.0 X16 , but its good to see its using all the X16 interface,  i think with the 3.0 X16 will work without any issue,  but with 4.0 X16 will work only at 3.0 X16 due to the laptop port ( it will show i think: PCIe 4.0 X16@ 3.0 X16)

[Developer79]

1 hour ago, Csupati said:

Nice,  the card its self is using 2.0 X16 , but its good to see its using all the X16 interface,  i think with the 3.0 X16 will work without any issue,  but with 4.0 X16 will work only at 3.0 X16 due to the laptop port ( it will show i think: PCIe 4.0 X16@ 3.0 X16)

Exactly, if you have a PCIe 4.0 card then the display would be PCIe 3.0 on older systems. Of course, the CPU and chipset reflect the current generation. The backward compatibility is always there!

[Csupati]

On 7/21/2023 at 10:39 AM, runix18 said:

But how do one tricks the slave port to work toghether on the same lanes with the main port? Thats why I think a controler is mandatory.

If you go with mxm sli in the P870 series , you wire up  the 2 cards with an sli bridge as normal  desktop  gpu,  the cards and the driver will do the rest of the job in communication. 

For this type of setup,  windows and Nvidia driver tells  the cpu witch card has to  do  the graphical math and the cpu send the data for that card,  same as i used in the p370sm amd and nvidia card , just simply select the card that i want to use and the system do the rest. 

[Developer79]

1 hour ago, Csupati said:

If you go with mxm sli in the P870 series , you wire up  the 2 cards with an sli bridge as normal  desktop  gpu,  the cards and the driver will do the rest of the job in communication. 

For this type of setup,  windows and Nvidia driver tells  the cpu witch card has to  do  the graphical math and the cpu send the data for that card,  same as i used in the p370sm amd and nvidia card , just simply select the card that i want to use and the system do the rest. 

My concept is not like your proposed one. For me it's about full integration!:-) So one GPU for everything, no division of performance resources.....

[Csupati]

4 minutes ago, Developer79 said:

My concept is not like your proposed one. For me it's about full integration!:-) So one GPU for everything, no division of performance resources.....

Im just thinking about that:

-Does the desktop gpu have the technology to rerute the display to the MB 

-If it does,its capable to provide EDP signal?

Cuz these Clevo laptop dont have mux and igpu , yeah i know mux and igpu is holding back around 5-10% permormance that is not acceptable.

[Developer79]

25 minutes ago, Csupati said:

Im just thinking about that:

-Does the desktop gpu have the technology to rerute the display to the MB 

-If it does,its capable to provide EDP signal?

Cuz these Clevo laptop dont have mux and igpu , yeah i know mux and igpu is holding back around 5-10% permormance that is not acceptable.

In this respect, the technologies mentioned cannot be relied upon. Here you have to look for solutions yourself. This requires in-depth knowledge of physics, electrical engineering, electronics and CAD, and you have to know the relevant hardware specifications and standards.

[Developer79]

Here is my last test with HD6790-Desktop in P870TM:

You can see x16 Lanes!

 

[Csupati]

4 hours ago, Developer79 said:

Here is my last test with HD6790-Desktop in P870TM:

You can see x16 Lanes!

 

Its looking good! If you can get for a test a PCIe 3.0 card than it will be a 100% it will be working, PCIe 2.0 X16 = PCIe 3.0 X8 as transfer speed