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Hahaha, the PRO 7995wx is good even Overkill for what is needed it but it was an offer i cannot refuse😆😆. Was in holiday and didnt have time for it. Still need to optimize and rearange Cables inside, got a 9100 Pro2 TB for that Pcie gen 5. Need more ram and also gpus. Ignore the gtx1050 , it's only for tests. I will need to get an riser 90 degree to fit the gpu inside. But I love the mainboard, Asrock wrx90 ws evo, went with it because the other wrx90 is from Asus and I despise them. More expensive as the asrock and full of problems .Reddit and forums are full of them. STUPID Asus wants over 1k euro for that mainboard and still cannot make it work. The Asrock is incredible, so many options, bulid like a tank, a lot of connectivity, bmc remote management is superb. And it booted and did the whole diagnostic and memory training in under 3 minutes. That's good for a complicated platform like the threadripper.I love it. Use case it will be my homelab brain. Will run a gazillion VMs because Cores are plenty and I will also start Local AI training. Still need to decide on gpus..maybe I will get some Rtx A series ore Rtx Ada for it.

Mission accomplished. 100% working. My UPS is screaming bloody murder now and a quick MSI Kombustor run is now showing nearly 1200W getting pulled from the wall, whereas before it was between 850-900W doing the same thing. It was not possible to do the Jufes incognito shunt mod because this new style of resistor has the solder points lower than the black plastic part of the resistor. Older resistors were the opposite, with the solder points on each end being flush or taller than the plastic. The resistors don't make contact as the solder points unless you use solder to bridge the air gap with this newer design. The dimensions are also smaller, so even if I had the right resistors in terms of resistance they would have been too long to work. So, she is soldered. I figured out on the second resistor that it worked easier to flip it over with the labeled side facing the original resistor. It was easier to hold in place for soldering with them face-to-face instead of labeled side up due to the shape of them. I have to leave for a doctor's appointment in a few minutes but I will do more testing tonight and this weekend. Will most likely hook up the chiller tomorrow. Here are the PCB photos. Very well-made GPU. Shunted resistors... Looks like Kombustor was drawing around 800-900W. @tps3443

Some tests, still need to activate expo. Also the 9100 Pro 2Tb. The AIO fans are blowing exact on the SSD port so with the default mainboard heatsink didnt exceed 34 Celsius. The layout of a Rack 2u Case has it advantages 😁. But the sound is not one of them. The 40mm fan from the 1U PSU is like a jet engine 🤣

Happy birthday brother @Papusan!!! May today be the first day of the best year of your life, filled with blessings and happiness

Read through and let me know if you think I should even bother picking up the MSI Vanguard I have on hold at Microcenter atm for $40 more than the Ventus..... So status of the MSI 5090 Ventus..... First, my local MC also put out a Vanguard 5090 that was on the back shelf, same situation marked as clearance for $2074.99 = $2101.83 out the door after MCC 5% off + tax. I snagged that one to hold for pickup as I can get that one for $40 more when all is said and done than the Ventus, but my dilemma is this Ventus is rocking my socks well enough atm and making it hard for me to ever pay more for an upper end model ever again. Another pet peeve, why do they put a proper, full wide body three slot bracket on the Ventus but not their other models including the Suprim and Vanguard? This thing is locked in right now feeling like EVGA's 3090ti (still put a GPU sag stand under it though). Zero RGB is nice and I like the black and silver look of the GPU plus zero RGB electrical budget. Quieter than the Astral both fans and coil whine and that's saying something on the coil whine front as the Astral I had to stand next to my case, panel off and then I could hear something >200fps. This quiet storm I had over 300fps and even in Timespy it shrugged it off. I had to put my ear almost on the card to hear basically anything. The quietest card so far I've had is the 5080FE but this one is a close second followed by the Shadow 5080 followed I think with the Liquid 4090 then Astral. All top 5 were crazy quiet. Cost Rant: --------------------------------------- So let me pre-empt this that after flying that close to the sun paying $3600 for an Astral 5090 that my goal for the cheapest 5090 was basically no coil whine and doesn't overheat. I don't care how or where it clocks. That was it. A bad 5090 is still a 5090 and using air cooling only your options are limited anyhow. Just be at or under $2k and don't be super noisy and we're good. If I overclock and you can't break 3ghz it is what it is..... With that being said, and speaking of Asus, it just irritates me a bit that this $2k Ventus is performing on par or better than my former $3600 Astral. There needs to be some proper binning done at some point to truly make paying 40%+ more worth it. If I had picked this card up and still had the Astral, I would have been foaming at the mouth. Of course if you're going to block/chill/LN2 or something past standard cooling, this doesn't apply to you as that is outside of my use case. I'm sure some of this is driver differentials at play. Ventus vs Astral (Ventus on stock MSI vBIOS / Astral on stock vBIOS): 1.090 vs 1.090 stock voltage boost 1.110 vs 1.110 +100 voltage boost 2947mhz vs 2977mhz stock clocks max voltage boost lock 3382 vs 3465 cap idle Deus Ex and World of Warcraft Oribos benchmark comparison: ---------------------------------------------------------------- World of Warcraft Oribos: Ventus vs Astral --------------------------- 192fps vs 186fps stock 212fps vs 210fps +375/+350 core / +3000 mem / +100 voltage Deus Ex: Astral vs Ventus --------------------------- Stock: OC (+3000 / +350 / +100 voltage): PX1 Boost Lock:

I do the same thing, I do not entertain people wasting my time. In other news, I have been promoted a couple of times at work and its smack dab in the middle of the busy season for my line of work which is why I haven't been able to post. It certainly seems the forum needs some work again and we are entertaining moving the host to another platform. I'll be bugging Hiew about that maybe to happen this holiday weekend. As for actual tech related topics... I have been considering the alphacool 1080mm radiator and stand. 200 USD seems acceptable. If I go this route, are the Nidec Servo's still heralded as one the better fans to go with? I have been partial to the 2150RPM variant as I used it for probably 6-7 years at this point. Taking 3rd place kind of bugs me for the 7900 XTX, so I have been mulling it over for some time but water + liquid metal are likely the only way to hit higher overclocks whilst taming the hotspot.

It was difficult and stressful to resolve. Thank goodness there are always a few good people that care enough to help, but sometimes finding the right button to push is difficult. Sometimes you never do. I think I got lucky this time. I called her out by name in the survey that wasn't positive other than her involvement.

Be careful to not believe anything you hear or read from mainstream media sources. They are dishonest and most of what they publish is a deliberate creation of distortions, fabrications and inappropriate extrapolations. Crafted for the sole purpose of deception and division, perpetrated by a dying cluster of woke America-hating lunatics and criminals trying to resuscitate a nefarious agenda that is being dismantled brick-by-brick. Light destroys darkness. The part nobody that suffers from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) wants to talk about is that the current administration has already delivered in spades on their promises and the nation is already raking in a fortune in tariffs and rebalanced trade arrangements. Things are going exactly as they should be and how patriotic smart people want them to be going, with unprecedented federal revenue flowing in from foreign sources (reciprocal tariffs) and on pace to eclipse what has ever been collected through domestic taxation of American citizens. Combined with the successful seek and destroy mission on internal government-backed fraud and misuse of tax dollars for unworthy and inappropriate purposes, wrongs are being righted in more ways than what can be counted. In a few short months this has been successful to such an extent that income taxes on social security benefits (which could be viewed as double taxation), tips and overtime are no longer necessary, federal income tax obligations for most private citizens and small businesses has been dramatically reduced, with potential to be abolished if they do not get too much insurrection activity from the leftist lunatic fringe. In spite of the insane shrieking and whining about it by a tiny group of traitors and plain old weirdos, our borders are secure for the first time ever. Illegal immigration is moving rapidly in the direction of zero and has already decreased 93% compared with February 2024. South American drug, weapons and human trafficking cartels are being systematically exterminated (literally) by our amazing armed forces. The city with our nation's highest murder rate (our Capital, Washington DC) and out of control crime sanctuary is being reigned in. In a matter of days, the murder rate has been cut from unprecedented levels to single digits in DC, carjacking has decreased by 83%, robberies by 46%, car thefts by 21%, and overall violent crime is down 22%. More good and right things have been achieved in 6 months than the past 60 years, and there is more to come. Thank God. UPDATE! Good news! The effort paid off. A person at UPS cared and listened and looked into it. Based on things mentioned in my emails she realized it was erroneously calculated by UPS. The duty was reduced from around $461 to $81. I thanked her and let her know that I sincerely appreciate her caring enough to re-evaluate it. Hopefully the UPS delivery driver will return with the package tomorrow or Monday and collect the $81. I also emailed Aquatuning to let them know. See attached redacted info. Revised Invoice | UPS

Yeah, the scalpers were all over those still trying to hold onto the last gasp of scalping..... I hope they get caught with a metric ton of stock but alas the holidays are right around the corner and I expect prices to soar right back up..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Finished collecting some OC Deus Ex Mankind Divided runs. I like Deux Ex and the Dawn Engine. DX12, no RT and can cap out the 5090 to 100 right from the jump to the end with all the eye candy and setting jacked to max (aka, every setting clicked/slid to the right) Astral vs Ventus vs Vanguard.

Thank you. I will report back if it has any effect on voltage or performance. If nothing else the +4% power limit should help. Many of the vBIOS do not go past 100% TGP. The Gigabyte vBIOS I am using and the stock Zotac are 100%. It does not seem to have done anything with the voltage for me. With the MSI vBIOS max is 0.005V less for some reason. I matched offsets (not clocks) and the Gigabyte AORUS Master produces the best overall results with the highest power draw. It also has the highest default boost limit maximum without any offset. That is interesting because the AORUS Master power limit shows 600W and max is 100%, but it seems to pull substantially (110.5%) more power in spite of the 100%/600W max the firmware reports in GPU-Z. The stock vBIOS and Master vBIOS do not have any positive power limit offset... 600W at 100% or less. MSI must have done something different at a hardware level to uncap the voltage at a higher maximum because the vBIOS itself does not seem to alter the core max voltage. If a shunt mod doesn't bump it up I may have to do more soldering when the time comes. That is assuming I decide that it is worth the hassle. First things first though. Waterblock must come before power and voltage mods. https://imgur.com/a/SV7jyFv

Well, I'm glad I went ahead and scooped up the Vanguard. The Ventus will be going back. I was worried when I opened it up and all the accessories were still sealed and the card looks basically brand new. This had "no GPU/Memory" written all over it but I know MC tests all their GPU returns on the high end (or they say they do lol). This thing is a legit chonker heading closer to the Astral size behemoth. It is a true 4 slot big boy. Again near zero coil whine. I'd rank this one right around the Astral. 5080FE and Ventus 5090 are just on another level in the noise department coil whine wise. The Ventus is the overall winner in coil whine and fan noise combo gaming. Louder fans. Right in between the Astral and the Ventus in noise levels. In a quiet room they stand out. With any type of audio going they disappear. It just makes the Ventus seem like it runs near silent in comparison. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stock boost max = 1.105v / 2962mhz (vs Ventus 1.090 / 2947mhz) Locked boost +100 voltage = 1.125v / 3000mhz (vs Ventus 1.110 / 2977mhz) Idle clock max = 3420 (vs Ventus 3382) TimeSpy +3000 / +350 / +100 voltage: Ventus: Vanguard: An hour or so of WoW 4k Ultra RT Max settings:

The only thing I'd use it for is to display 💩 emoji. Why must everything need a display panel?

The case is slightly Wider than my son’s Lian Li 011 Dynamic, so space behind the motherboard tray is enough to fit a 2 slot GPU flat behind the MB tray, more than enough space, since this case is dual system capable I saw someone do this. But mainly since the case has a basement that can fit everything like two 480’s or a single 480mm with no limits on thickness, PSU’s, Pumps, or even a ITX build in the basement. It’s not setup like 011 cases which place the PSU behind the motherboard tray, your PSU would go in the basement. So most of the useable depth is going to be in the main compartment, or in the basement. But I haven’t had any issues behind the motherboard tray my self. As far as depth goes or long ways of the case. It’s a long case. It’s as long as it is tall. It’s over 26” tall and 26” long. The biggest issue is weight concerns. My PC is so heavy you just can’t move it around. But fortunately since it has these suicide doors and because it’s so long it makes working on it easier. The motherboard is 14.0x14.0 larger than practically any motherboard we can buy today for any mainstream sockets so it does make the case look smaller than it is in pictures merely because this motherboard makes something like a Asus Extreme or Godlike look like a baby board. I think It looks abnormally long as well because some photos I’m not showing the bottom chamber which demonstrates how long it really is. Kinda like the photo below. You can choo choo train some 5090’s and still have room lol. 😂

Guys I was doing some testing after rearranging fans in my Lian Li V3000+ Plus, and with the door closed under a 1200w load my internal case temp is 27c with water temp of 31.3C, if I take the side door off the internal case temp drops to only 26c. I thought this was ridiculously impressive. I have never seen a case run this cool inside with this type of power being dumped. I’ve never been a guy to run my doors on my cases, even my son’s PC has no door on it in his Lian Li 011 packed with fans. But in this case for the past 6 months I’ve kept it sealed up. I don’t know why it runs so cool in there all closed up. Either the design? Or maybe just the internal volume?

Time to dance!

RIP Rick Davies

Started testing out the AW 18. It came with Sunon fans that are not whiny which is nice. I agree the pitch is improved and the noise levels in general. I can also have this setting on my laptop stand without it causing whine or a pitch change which is much better than M18 R1. Its definitely a better air cooling solution than the Hydroc G2. The RGB was Aurora by default and overriding to teal still does not set it as a boot effect. Ideally I want no RGB on any subzone by default (may have to unplug the mobo connectors) and white only on the keyboard. I could even live with solid teal everywhere but it seems like the RGB controllers don't have the few KB needed to store a profile to memory... Installed the Kingston Fury XMP 6400 kit. It booted at 4800 but after enabling XMP it was not booting at all. I have heard that SREP still works on these so maybe manual tuning is possible. It will be painful though as not even a RTC reset is recovering from these memory brick scenarios. There is supposed to be a validated ADATA 7200MT 2x16GB XMP kit coming for these but I cannot find any info about it other than a part number in a support document. Its a shame these still ship with E31. This is a perfect example why I think they should ditch it and use PTM7958SP, just too much risk of it leaking through the barrier. I would certainly be fully removing the board and carefully replacing it before it became an issue. I still hear reports of wide temperature variance on these new models which likely is from poor QC with E31 application.

We are surrounded by stupid. Here is some new well-deserved Razer hate... https://youtu.be/8w8m1UuLsEQ I received the shunt resistors yesterday so I will probably do the mod tomorroww.

Too bad for the dumb-dumbs that already wasted money on the latest GPUs with only 8GB. Sucks to them, but also not cool on NVIDIA's part to screw them over like that. For anyone that believes NVIDIA actually wants to futureproof (i.e. sell fewer) GPUs, I have some ocean beach property in Phoenix that I am selling very cheap.

Alcohol was my drug of choice when young...a couple beers and this at full volume after some stressful event. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells

No she would not be. But, she is in WA visiting relatives and friends. I have 2 more weeks of having free reign of the house and then I will have to retreat to my hot little laboratory. The dining table seems to be a universal taboo with the ladies. If I scratch it that is the end of the world. If the grandkids scratch it, that is adding "character" to the table, LoL. 🤣

So strange a few days ago to see 5090FE's available on Best Buy almost all day with the, "See Details" button blue before they eventually sold out. I didn't want one (explained below), but still good to see. Makes sense considering in the EU they are actually being discounted now a bit in certain regions. ------ I'm definitely locked onto the Jonsbo Z20 MATX portable case now after seeing it can fit even an Astral 5090 in it: Check out the temps which are great too. Astral has almost the exact same dimensions as a Vanguard 5090. This case was in my top 3 before but after seeing it can fit a Vanguard 5090 sized card and actually seeing it in action here at Quake Con from a gent in the BYOB line, I'm sold on it. It seems damn near perfect and checks all the boxes..... plus it's only $99.99 now. I especially like the no riser design. Timestamped with gent in line..... It can handle monster quad slot behemoths like the Astral, Vanguard and more. Looks like a fun case to play around with too. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chiller mode ACTIVATED... The Mrs. was ok with a living room benching session? 😁 My wife gives me deliberate side eye when I start to use the dining room table for projects..... Looking real good! Once that shunt is in place that Zotac is going to really start to sing full volume.... lol, me and shunting.... 🤣 Right after @Papusan and @Talon shunt theirs first. 🙂 Well, he clearly is talking the general (m)asses that didn't take the time to properly tune it. It is 13th vs 7800X3D all over again. Everybody screaming X3D superiority among the general end users and channels, and when I decided to tune them both up, guess what? 13900KS made massive performance improvements and the 7800X3D marginally so since its main strength lies in that cache. I'm not saying an Ultra 285k is going to slay a 9800X3D, but it can definitely gain a lot of ground when properly tuned. I'm just fighting the urge to do it all over again like before because that itch is picking up.....

OK I think I am done now Fire Strike - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/33747306 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_fire_strike/submissions/5888849 Fire Strike Extreme - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/33747317 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_fire_strike_extreme/submissions/5888851 Fire Strike Ultra - https://www.3dmark.com/fs/33747324 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_fire_strike_ultra/submissions/5888853

@electrosoft Got the little Claw 8 setup with WoW on the stock install, performance is pretty impressive so far! It holds around 108fps at your testing spot near the Tazavesh entrance. That is unplugged with 20W/19W PL1/PL2. ConsolePort (the addon to streamline using the game with a controller) needs a bit of setup so I just hooked up a keyboard/mouse to test. Also have Amazon delivering a screen protector and case for it today and will swap to a 2TB WD SN770m along with a clean install of W11. For fun I ran AIDA64 on it and memory latency was 96ns, better than most Arrow Lake HX I have seen! So maybe the LPDDR5X is doing ok here. In this case the device has 32GB soldered which is sufficient and the form factor does not have space for SODIMM or CAMM. Eluktronics has also posted their 9955HX3D laptops for sale, but only in pre-built configurations due to memory compatibility issues: https://www.eluktronics.com/HYDROC-16-9955HX3D-MLED-5090-32G-2T Hopefully once Premamod is available they can do a proper Intel vs. AMD comparison with both systems tuned. My guess is the HX3D will do better than Intel in performance but have worse battery life. I wonder if it would consistently have better performance than the 275HX during world bosses / raids / busy Dornogal. From your positive testing with the 9800X3D it seems like it very well could. I even get a lot of stuttering upon initial login while switching between alts for profession activities and it would be nice if it handled that better as well.

This is my first test with the P870TM and eDP and an MXM card other than Clevo's! The P870TM works without any problems with the MXM card from X-Vision! Here's the configuration again: P870TM / 9900KF / RTX 4070 MXM (X-Vision and BiosUpdate) and eDP display UHD 60Hz display. All other data can be found in the image. Here is a picture:

Lets steer this back towards just sharing music for a while eh Gents?

ha ha ha. what a Joke. theres only one clown and he wears orange makeup.

Also still working on that Pro Max 18 Plus order as I still think its closer to what I want in an 18 inch laptop. The sales rep said they had an internal SKU issue so a new quoted order would have to be placed. The RTX 5000 Blackwell mobile can draw up to 175W this year just like the 5090 mobile.

Nice! I'll be looking forward to the results to draw some comparisons especially that 5090 stomping on the 5070ti in mine. I wouldn't mind either going back up to MC to play with that Raider a bit more at $2999.99 or picking one up to test drive. I think you'll be pleased with the thermals and noise especially compared to the Raider. And yeah, Tazevesh takes NO prisoners including the 5090. It hits harder than any other area overall in the game. Makes for good static testing without player data muddying the results. I still stand by Deus Ex Mankind Divided DX12 Max everything 4k runs also give some good, old fashion raster only results and caps out a 5090 too. Whew, all's well that ends well. It still boggles my mind when you're trying to get something solved and have to keep going through CSRs who should all know how to fix it and you finally stumble upon one who is competent doing their job. In the past, I would get their extensions or ask for a way to contact them directly to help resolve future problems too. Now the real fun begins! Bring on the results. 🙂

Above my budget right now. Maybe I can snatch one from work 😅😂

lol that 1050 looks more like a sound card or SSD expansion card in this context 😄 completely dwarfed! sounds like a nice use case for such a monster setup. please tell me ull get urself an RTX 6000 Pro, block it and overclock it to the max 😄

For the best audio experience use full screen Eric Prydz - Call on Me https://notebooktalk.net/topic/364-improve-your-laptop-speakers-with-equalizer-apo-windows/#comment-55584

Yeah it was odd. I scoured the entire store. Played with the Raider, soaked in tons of hardware and still couldn't find anything of note. I have a pile of hardware here now to fully build out another AM5 PC. I might just build it out and sell it locally on TheBookOfFaces. I just upgraded our wifi situation earlier last year so we're good to go for awhile but it is fun when a legit problem presents itself allowing you to go shop and install new tech. 🤣 That is crazy they can't fix the simple error they can all readily identify..... And that 9070xt elite is a banger of a card especially with the upgraded cooling. Now if only UPS could get their act together so we can get that 5090 shunted and blocked.....

its a weird feeling, isnt it? being content with the hardware u currently own. almost feels numbing after the constant "itch" 😄 soooo wife just caused a new itch cuz shes having wifi dropout issues with both her phone and work laptop at home. currently looking at upgrading our home network from wifi 5 to wifi 7, new router and m.2 adapters 🙂

Returned the Ventus today to MC and as others have reported, as soon as I walked up to the return counter the sales associated said, "oh! that's a 5090, those have to be returned and checked at the service and repair counter." Walked over to the S&R counter and after a small wait, service dude (real cool dude) asked why I was returning it. I explained the Vanguard situation and he was like, "I would have done the same. I did the same thing except with a 7900XT. 7900XTX open box popped up for $50 more and I returned the 7900XT for the 7900XTX" and then he said, "ok, just have to pop it in real quick to validate it's in working condition" They have a few rigs set up just to test certain high cost returns to verify their status (Begs the question, what happens if I return it for not working / black screen?) I also saw a few people bringing in their non working PCs to have them checked/repaired. One dude brought in a B450 + 2600x PC.....dude.....just get a new one..... After that, easy peasy. Then the wife took the car and went to the ginormous TJ Maxx in the same complex and off to really look at everything commenced. Much smaller and tightly packed than the Microcenter other Microcenter in MD. Crazy small case selection. This was the biggest disappointment after seeing videos of the Tustin MC. I'm thinking of moving my components into a slightly smaller or better designed case that supports 3-4x 140mm fans top, bottom and front. I think they had maybe 3 ITX cases on display. Tons of open box motherboards along with "MC refurbished" models. Open box / clearance items everywhere. They clearly have a wonderful relationship with der8auer and TG because I've never seen such a high concentration of his stuff anywhere like this in my life. Awesome DIY robotics/raspberry area. I had a chance to try out the Raider A18 285HX + 5090 laptop. I don't know if it is a combination of AMD chips boosting too much and/or a change in the fans on the newer version, but it was whisper quiet and when I ran a few benchmarks the fans didn't kick up anywhere near the older AMD Raider. While the Raider is now listed at $3699.99 online, it is $2999.99 in store and $2849.99 after Microcenter Credit Card discount. Saw an open box EVGA 3080ti waterblocked edition in the case in generic wrapping still marked down to $469.99. I've made the 70 min trip now three times in the last 8 days. I'm good for awhile. I scored the Vanguard for a good price and scoured the entire store to my hearts content and found nothing I wanted/needed with my current collection of hardware on my shelves.

the bare copper cold plate was mentioned by Roman, but he wasnt sure if this was also the way they did it in the production version, might have just been for demonstration purposes only / prototype stuff. the rest for sure, amen to that 😄 and yes, too much to ask for, cuz then the "select few" dont have a big advantage anymore and everyone will bitch n moan about increased RMAs eating into their 2000+% profit margins 😄

these numbers are crazy. just goes to show that its all about SL these days, custom AIB cards are only worth it from a price stability and stock cooling / design perspective. very good call on the vanguard! +6% on avg fps is insane! haha in the end is was a neck on neck race between the GB Master and GB Master ICE vBioses. the ICE beat the regular Master in several instances but had 1-2 larger losses to the Master, but the Master was overall more balanced without any larger losses. in your case i would test those two in the apps ure most focused on (i.e. WoW 😉 ) naturally, i can only talk for the specific vbios versions i tried, i have no idea if this holds true across all Master vs. all Master ICE vbios versions available on TPU. if you want i can go back and check which specific versions i tested. edit: kool, i had previously attached the exact vbioses i was testing, here you go: https://notebooktalk.net/topic/109-official-benchmark-thread-post-it-here-or-it-didnt-happen-d/?do=findComment&comment=58364&_rid=465

You learn something everyday..... I did not know Newegg would do an in store credit within the window if the price drops outside of their "price protection" pre Prime Day / Black Friday price protection (which is them basically saying this item is definitely going on sale). I know Amazon just throws you the birds and says to return it. --------------- Glad you were able to sort it all out and we can get that blocked up and ready to go. Luckily it's a good sample so that adds weight to wanting to hold onto it too. ---------------- @jaybee83 before I start to potentially vBIOS hop around again on the Vanguard, what vBIOS did you settle on for your Suprim as the "one to rule them all?"

I know lol. Can’t run a 5090 on air 💀! Anyways, your clocks are low before 3160ish under load due to power limits for certain, not temp limits just yet. Most 5090’s should hold 3300 at 45c temps maybe even more, maybe a tiny bit less. Voltage is all over the place on these cards but so far high/low it doesn’t even matter, I think cooling and tuning skill is critical for max benches with 5090. I have seen a few 1.100v+ 5090FE’s which can beat my lower voltage 5090FE, but they are on 8c water or something crazy like that. Which would make sense. The voltage really didn’t provide anything meaningful, it’s just based on how the card actually performs overall. And block+shunt is the only way to know.

You know when A$$zeus lowers prices to reasonable levels that sales must be totally in the toilet. I bet the overpriced 5090 GPU sales have become worse than stagnant, and rightfully so with how completely absurd prices have been. I hope they all learn a lesson from this and stop making screwing their customers a primary business objective. Brother @electrosoft needs one of these.

Well, I mean if you're gonna burn, go full tilt! I have always thought the burning connector issue (outside of CM's fiasco) was blown a bit out of proportion. What I don't like is the inconsistency and overall non optimal nature of the connector leaving everyone open for a potential burn. It just needs to be redesigned from the ground up and eliminate the need for real time active pin monitoring. I am also of the mind that if it does burn, it is MSI from connector to GPU so it's on them and their 3yr warranty. We've routinely seen GPU makers deny warranty claims because you weren't using their supplied connector either out of the box or their PSU with the effected card. When I say I didn't care about performance or bin and just wanted no coil whine and $2k or less pricing, I meant it but this was a pleasant surprise....again. Yeah, the trio lacks the vapor chamber and has slightly smaller caps but overall I think it is a wash especially if you ever end up blocking it. I fully expected the Ventus to beat it seeing some of the results from other cards so I was shocked and happy to see it pretty much blasted past my Astral and my Ventus. I hate to admit it, but I like the RGB on it too (sorry @Mr. Fox! 🤣) I'd really be interested in that swap over and test. I forget which Z690 board you're running. DDR4 or DDR5? I know swapping from my former 8400 DDR5 testing Z790i lightning into my wife's Z690 DDR4 4000 CL15 rig with the 14900KS, the DDR5 rig was definitely giving me better results in testing both at 1440p and 4k. 59x/45x/50x ran and runs fine on both. Attached to this post.... let me know how it goes especially compared to your stock Zotac and if you flashed another for testing along the way. All I know also is some in progress Deus Ex testing on extreme and this Vanguard is clearly outpacing the Astral and Ventus at stock and OC with the same settings..... Here is the stock results so far.... It difference gets even wider with an OC..... Vanguard5090.rom

Interesting. Could you please dump your vBIOS with NVFLASH and share it to see if that will allow me to get similar voltage if I flash it?

9955HX3D vs Ultra 9 275HX "Oh and spoiler, if you care about gaming, AMD's 9955HX3D destroys Intel" If Laptop makers would make BIOSes as close to their desktop counterparts and let users adjust settings as they see fit as STANDARD PRACTICE, I truly do think the 275HX could gain a decent amount of ground on the 9955HX3D. But with all the lockdowns in place and chips basically being stuck outside of slapping in XMP/EXPO modules, you really can't tell what could have been. I'd love to see a Raider A18 shootout 9955HX3D vs 285HX with both having a higher degree of adjustable features and granular control via the hidden open BIOSes on both and see where we land.... I do wish the Intel had 6400 memory vs 5600 as most I've seen most others come equipped with that instead, but still.... Took the 70min trip back up to Microcenter (even though I threw my back out benching yesterday) to setup the MSI vs MSI shootout for later..... I've already collected all the #s I need from the punching way above its weight Ventus the last 2-3 days, so I'll pop it out and pop the "Suprim in Disguise" Vanguard in.... MSI RTX 5090 Vanguard price = $1971.21 + tax MSI RTX 5090 Ventus price = $1932.26 + tax MSI went through a few burned connectors and what makes it worse is they're yellow so they look even more horrific to the eye..... If somehow you get it properly running WoW for a decent gaming experience, I'd be interested in picking one up too. I know a YT'er I follow Trent the Traveler in one of his videos was playing WoW on his handheld..... He Vanlife's all over the place and has a gaming rig set up in his Van and is pretty hardcore into WoW. He is in the process of building out his new rig from top to bottom and Asus sponsored a whole Asus list of gear for him to use. If you ever dreamed of van life and gaming, this is it:

Yeah I'm noticing this one isn't heating up my room as badly as the Astral too. It runs MUCH quieter when gaming. It is the quietest card I've tested since the Liquid 4090. I still have the Vanguard held till closing Monday but I'm not seeing a scenario where it is better but it's an itch I'm probably gonna have to scratch at this price. "Worst" case scenario I hold onto the Ventus that has already checked all my boxes. Why? Because the Vanguard is basically a Suprim. Same PCB and everything except a cooler with one less heat pipe and touch more "gamer" lighting and design. I might as well scoop it up at that price Vanguard ($1971 + tax = $2101.58) vs Ventus ($1932.29 + tax = $2060.30) and at least give it a whirl. Only outlier "issue" is the ~1hr ride to and back from the store. My plan is to scoop this one up, come back, test it with the same standards (30 day return policy on both) then when I return either of them settle in for 2-3hrs of shopping/browsing because the sheer amount of tech and more importantly the vast amount of open box / clearance items was staggering. There was zero chance I could do the store justice and escape intact with they wife on her birthday. 5090 prices overall are definitely heading in the right direction though.....I'll stick with my original assessment and say end of August they will be at their lowest and may dock there for the future or creep back up especially as we head into the holiday quarter. I'm hesitantly recommending if you want a 5090 get one by early to mid September-ish but we'll see.... For reference, here are MSI launch pricing (via reddit): MSI Ventus 3x OC Plus (Black)- $2199.99 MSI GAMING TRIO OC (Black) - $2349.99 MSI VANGUARD SOC (Black) - $2379.99 MSI SUPRIM SOC (Black) - $2399.99 MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC (Black) - $2499.99 Current pricing: MSI Ventus 3x OC Plus (Black)- $2299.99 (+100 over MSRP) MSI GAMING TRIO OC (Black) - $2399.99 (+50 over MSRP) MSI VANGUARD SOC (Black) - $2499.99 (+120 over MSRP) MSI SUPRIM SOC (Black) - $2699.99 (+300 over MSRP) MSI SUPRIM LIQUID SOC (Black) - $3279.99 (+780 over MSRP) Soak it up old man! 😁 Shady, but seeing as I have a 14900KS and 275HX in house as my only Intel CPUs now.......speaking of which Ill need to install it back on both my Intel systems for WoW and test it out especially my laptop to see if it can help close the gap in WoW to make the 5070ti proportionally slower to the 4090 in the Raider on the same level as Timespy. I'm going to ride the MSI connector as intended! (DANGER ELECTROSOFT!) 🤣 Microcenter is getting the Dhahab OC 5080 edition too..... All for the low low price of $1900 aka just about what I paid for my Ventus and incoming Vanguard 5090s..... Let me know how many to put on order for ya @Papusan! 🤑 Same, 2166 without touching anything but I had to bump up the juice a little to stabilize 2200. I run it at 2200/6400 with tuned TG 8200 2x24GB sticks. @Prema checks in from time to time to give a hearty hello! I'll be interested to take a look at the Strix Halo mini PC and some benchmarks and results! Not as far as I've seen. Same Adrenalin (or to a degree MSI AB usage now with the newest version) methodology atm. 😞

Nice one! @Mr. Fox Von Hootin Max

Morning all. Lot's has happened over the past 4 years. To put this in perspective, the 9000 AMD cards are the polaris cards. That year, they did not bring the high end. And Moore's law is dead already mentioned and commented on leaks of a giant card in the next round of RDNA cards. Which is sorely needed. The real deal is we need MORE RAM. But I'm getting into local AI, so I am biased. Yes, part of the enemy. lol.

Hilarious movie trailer parody...

Happy birthday to her. But the birthday present is for you?

Mission accomplished! 🤣 (Out to dinner with the wifey tonight for her birthday)....... 5090 for $2054 total in my hand secured...... Foxtrot Tango Whiskey.... (That look when you refused to pay the stupid high prices, returned your Astral, and calmly waited and watch the market to drop and hoping to snag an Open box sub $2k).....