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Well I guess I have to admit defeat. I gave in and pre-ordered a 5090 from MSI for $2350. There site was pretty buggy so I had to keep resetting page elements every time it timed out so I could keep resubmitting. PHP and jQuery... I both agree that it is overpriced, but also think that in a way it is not.. The die size is 750mm^2 which is almost as big as the w7-2495x Sapphire Rapids MCC die - 770mm^2.

As I typically do, I have been lurking here, and many of you don't seem too happy with the state of technology right now, which I agree with very much. While it will be a LONG ways out, mark my words when I say I will eventually cobble together some motherboard(s) that gives complete control over the pre-BGA mobile chips, so everyone here can do their magic and dominate the HWbot leaderboards. I'm already a third of the way done getting my undergrad as a EE with the intent to get a masters degree. I will try as hard as possible to make this happen, and if it doesn't then I will know that my education has failed me or I have failed myself. Thought I would share this with all of you to give a little bit of hope during a time where things seem so bleak. It might be a while, but I'll eventually figure it out 🙂

The X670E Gene is easy to get used to. Other than its mATX size handicap, it is a great AM5 motherboard. Probably the best one made to date. This makes me eager to snag an X870E Apex.

Welcome to the dark side my friend. It's absolutely ridiculous to have to pay that kind of money for a gpu. For that kind of money it should s*** gold bricks, and serve breakfast in bed.

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Was never, ever going to buy one anyhow cause TEAM RED!! 🤣 @Raiderman Holding out: @Mr. Fox @Papusan Going with the flow: @electrosoft Definitely buying: @johnksss @jaybee83 @tps3443 @Talon Did I miss anyone? 🤣

12 P-cores (if they overclock well) with hyperthreading might be a 14900KS upgrade. But, 14 or 16 hyperthreaded P-cores would have been even better. https://www.techpowerup.com/331041/intel-bartlett-lake-appears-as-a-p-e-core-hybrid-p-core-only-cpus-could-soon-follow The X870E Carbon is all boxed up and label affixed to head back for refund. X670E Gene mysteriously went from today originally, to Friday with no tracking updates or movement of the package for 4 days, to sudddenly at my local post office and out for delivery today. Weird.

I may sell one of my 4090s and buy fifteen RX 590 at $100 each. (Yes, I am being facetious.) I haven't decided if I am going to consider a 5090. The idea of having something more powerful than a 4090 is compelling because of my fetish. Saying no to it will require a degree of restraint and level-headed thought. I am starting to feel like this hobby is no longer worth pursuing. I often feel like all I am doing is being complicit with (and bamboozled by) part manufacturers and their ludicrous over-the-top cash grabs for overpriced enthusiast-focused products that actually suck at overclocking. If my primary goal is overclocked benching and these new parts don't have any mojo to spare then the joke is on me. At least it is starting to feel that way. The idea that a 4090, much less a 5090, is "needed" for gaming is kind of asinine. The fact that much weaker and far less expensive GPUs comprise the vast majority of what is being sold for gaming will ensure that "need" for $2,000 video cards among gamers does not, and will not, exist for the foreseeable future. As much as NVIDIA might like the idea, game developers are not going to burn a lot of calories producing games that require that their customers spend $2,000 on a GPU capable of running it smoothly with respectable framerates. The game developers are going to focus on producing games that are playable and enjoyable on affordable computer systems since that is what most of their customers own. I threw out the sarcasm about the RX 590 only because I bought a brand new one to upgrade the legacy build I gave to my son-in-law with the X79 Gene and GTX Titan Black. Both of my teenage grand daughters are gamers and that antique Titan isn't getting the job done for them. I tested the $99 RX 590 8GB GPU in my Z90i Edge system (still in it at the moment) and it is a substantial upgrade over the generationally insanely expensive and supreme Titan for a measley $99. As I played some BF2042 and Crysis 3 Remastered at 1080p and medium settings with 75-100 FPS I was impressed with what a cost-effective entry point it is for a gamerboy (or gamergirl in their case). Nothing to write home about. But, insanely easy on the wallet that will give them a lot more enjoyment than the comparatively slow Titan that is on its last leg for driver support. $99 for a ~35% performance uplift feels like a nice gift. If they want something better they can buy their own GPU, LOL. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/32045608/fs/32754644 https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sd/6476802/sd/6502319 https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/16365577/3dm11/16525382

I had a very length reply at the ready, but the TL;DR is I concur. lol, that works too! At least during the Pandemic/Cryptoboom, plenty of bots were monitoring sites and camaraderie of fellow GPU seekers sitting in chat and shooting the breeze while waiting for drops using suspect math to calculate drop times was good times! I'd like to say I'm going to pass on the 5090, but the FE (SFF), MSI Suprims (My current fave company) and (looks sheepishly down at the ground in shame 🤪) the Asus Astral 5090 has me intrigued. I'm trying to stay "go with the flow," and seriously considering a 9070XT or 5070 but testing a 5090 with the 9800X3D and 14900KS has me jonsin' for a 4k shootout with WoW and FO76. 🤣 The idea of a mega powerful SFF desktop that I can take with me for travel and has the ultimate power just has me fired up. Part of me wants to go AIO 5090 again, but swapping between platforms for testing was such a PITA with the 4090 MSI Liquid vs when I was swapping the various 7900XTX's I had during the last few years. And yup, like I said earlier, I'm glad (as glad as one could be to pony up $2k for a gpu for play) Nvidia stuck to a $2k price point and even moreso the rest of the stack either stayed the same (5070) or even got cheaper (5080, 5070ti). ------ Launch is on the 30th and that gives me over three weeks to sort and and tune the hardware that just arrived today aka "Weapons Primed" Agreed. Some things stand out from the article: 5070: "This would place the RTX 5070 slightly ahead of the RTX 4070 Super for about $50 less, or alternatively, 20 – 30% faster than the RTX 4070 for the same price. Depending on how it performs relative to the RTX 4070 Super, this could offer reasonable, though slightly underwhelming, value. A 10% performance improvement over the 4070 Super and a 9% price cut would result in roughly a 20% improvement in cost per frame." If you already have a 4070 or 4070 Super, unclutch your pearls and enjoy your card. On the other hand, if you're within a return window, return it and get a 5070 regardless of either model. Great thing is you are getting a 20-30% uplift for the same price. 5070ti: See above + great thing is you are getting a 20-30% uplift at $50USD cheaper 5080: Same uplift, but reflects the cheaper 4080 Super pricing and not the "we hit a wall" with the $1199 4080 cash grab. 5090: Pushing more towards (fingers crossed) a ~40% uplift in raw performance over the 4090 but the increased cost cancels out a large chunk (if not all) of the gained value generation over generation depending on the final uplift (25% increased cost). Overall, it seems Nvidia realizes outside of their halo 5090, they seem to have hit a wall in pricing vs competition and what will sell and move to meet their volume expectations. Even with the 5080 most likely being much better than the 7900xtx and even moreso the 9070xt, it comes down to pricing and what consumers will pay for an 080 class card. Pricing it at half the cost of a 5090 removes a lot of the "well it is already so close to the 090, might as well get the 090" club and increases its viability and desirability. As for the 5090? All bets are off in this AI madness driven market along with the fact the 5090 will be so far ahead performance wise of ANYTHING on the market that you WILL pay if you want to play. The gap is going to be pretty brutal especially compared to AMD. It just reinforces my own personal "go big or go home" approach and it will be either a 9070xt/5070 or a 5090 for me this generation (4070 Super obviously going back to Best Buy at the end of January).

I think techspot's article about Blackwell is quite good. One of the better. Many of the points above is well discussed. They talk about all SKUs and what is bad and what people won't know. Nvidia launches RTX 50 Blackwell GPUs: From the $2,000 RTX 5090 to the $549 RTX 5070 Here's one of the unknown... The other issue is using multi-frame rendering to hack our way to high-frame-rate gaming. Nvidia showed a demo where, without DLSS 4, a game was running at 30 FPS, but then over 240 FPS with DLSS 4 enabled. Now, of course, not even DLSS upscaling was enabled in the 30 FPS example, but we really don't want to see any situations where generating 3 frames is used to get a 30 FPS game up to 120 FPS – that would be absolutely horrific in terms of input latency. Edit.

The reason why Newegg has all of these 3090's and 4090's is because they are heavily pushing the Newegg Trade-in program. Offering people $1,350 dollars for any working RTX4090 is not a bad deal. Newegg then turns around and sells these as "Refurbished" for $1,599-$1,799 range depending on the model. This is a way to feel the void for those that never had a 4090, and after nearly 3 years they can own one for MSRP! 🤣 It really feels like the 5090 was not ready at all to launch. Nvidia should have just waited until March. I do not know why they are so desperate to release a product that is not even real. I thought it was funny that they posted on Reddit asking gamers "How their DLSS4 gaming experience was?" when no one actually had a GPU 🤣 AMD waited on the 9070XT, and I think I can see why now. Maybe they are making a ton of them so everyone can buy one.

@Mr. Fox Check this really cool spread sheet out comparing the 4090 and 5080 performance. The 4090 gaps this thing. Take a look at the Minecraft DXR performance. now the 5080 is really power efficient. But, the 4090 can be as well. It is surprising what the 4090 can do when we gimp it to 350 watts with less voltage. Practically no loss in performance. This reduced power consumption already occurred on some models limited to 1.070v. RTX 4090 RTX 5080

Plus, Nvidia made two million 5080's and only fifty thousand 5090's so your chances of getting a 5080 are really good!

Nevermind, they are over 50 deep, holy ****. Unreal lol. Ya I'll just be sitting home and trying my luck against the bots.

The closest I can come... SUPER OC'd. I mean modern PC user don't know what system-on-chip mean. S = Super expensive. Edit. the OC and SOC (super overclock) Do you trust this man? Frank.... Please...

see? thats how it goes> get 5090 = CPU bottleneck = get X3D = RAM bottleneck = get faster RAM = SSD botleneck....etc keeps the industry going baby! 😄

That is why I built a sapphire rapids desktop. Pure P-core chip without artificial limitations. The RDIMM requirement does increase memory latency but it is not enough to make gaming less enjoyable. I guess 9950X is much less expensive from a cost per P-core stance but then you have to deal with issues created by a non-monolithic die and the fact that it is sold with different varying bin CCDs.

My wife would be like "So, you want to spend $3000 on a GPU? What do you think I should buy with my half of the $6000?"

It seems pretty loud, but the performance is there on average 35% faster than the 4090 and in some other reviews depending on game, up to 50% faster. It's a certified beast. I don't know if I can do 40dBA for a desktop card. That is approaching loud gaming laptop levels quickly. Even scarier it is 75% faster than a 7900xtx on average (but 100%+ more expensive). It is a flat out beast 4k card. ------ I was talking to the wife about tapping out because of cost (more like ranting). And she just looked at me incredulously and said: Her: "So you have no problems dropping 5k+ on vacations for us but balk at a 2.5k video card you will use for at least two years and most likely recoup most of the cost? Does that sum it up?" Me: "It's the principle" Her: "Uh huh" Me: "What does that mean?" Her: "Oh nothing...I just know I wouldn't take the odds of you NOT having this 5090 thing within a couple of months but I could be wrong." Me: "You're wrong" Her: "Right.....ok....sure. Can you hand me the ketchup?" 🤣

Asrock 8.02 Bios (January 2025) w/ Intel enforced "limits" still a flaming ball of sun fire to the face.... and this is on a good sample 14900KS: Stock 8.02 w/ Intel limits (notice the 253w limits are in place): After a little enforced tune up for gaming 5.9 all core:

It's probably difficult to get an accurate SP rating because of how much more erratic the behavior is with Ryzen CPUs. Temperature does not affect SP rating on Intel, but the prediction in the lower right corner is 100% tied to temperature. The higher the cooler rating is the lower the voltage is. If you allow the ASUS AI to automatically monitor and adjust the cooler rating it can become a mess. To stop that you need to manually override and assign your own cooler rating. Looks like 5090 prices will be for wealthy fools that like to waste lots of money on grossly overpriced enthusiast parts that suck at overclocking. I bet that 5080 will end up being sold for 4090 scalper prices as well. It rises to the level of extreme dishonesty and demonstrates a lack of integrity, if not outright immorality, in my opinion. This is like getting screwed on steroids. They are cordially invited to dine on my feces. Hopefully they are OK with using a paper plate and disposable plastic spoon. One thing that could help stop the scalping is for AMD and NVIDIA to re-write their warranty terms so that there is no warranty whatsoever if a new GPU is purchased from a seller or retailer that is not pre-approved by AMD and NVIDIA and on their list of authorized distributors. It could be sold used and still have warranty, but only if the original purchase invoice is available to prove it was purchased from an authorized seller when new. Then all of the scalpers would have nothing to sell but parts with no warranty. They would be worth less and nobody would want them. The scalper would have to provide the original invoice showing it was purchased from an authorized seller, which would then draw attention to how badly they are screwing the people dumb enough to purchase their products. It would be instant death to scalping. (Next best thing to instant death of the scalpers.) I am glad I have two 4090s and a 3090 Ti I can ride until they die because they are still great GPUs and those new prices are unacceptable. If AMD doesn't jump on the "let's screw our customers" bandwagon, I can see a lot of people shopping for GPUs being fiscally responsible and settling for AMD even if they dislike Radeon cards. Better to settle for something inferior that is priced to value than getting sodomized on the price of a GeFarts card. Yup... it's what I call nuckingfutz. Appropriate imagery in Paul's intro. LOL.

I know I am late to the game, but with the 5090 being 2000 and the 5080 being as gimped as it is, I am probably going to buy a 4090 for CAD/3D modeling purposes if I can get one under $1000. Nvidia gave themselves away, with a 5080 TI being a sure thing.

Jay building ITX w/ the 5090 FE in the SSUPD Meshroom 😧 Same length and height as the 4090 but much smaller width. 4090 = 4.8lbs (2178g) 5090 = 4.0lbs (1816g) Which means that 5090 is DENSE

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Something must have been up with 7.02 BIOS for the Asrock Z790i Lightning when no matter what I did, TM5 was failing even on 6400 sticks (those same sticks running rock solid on the Hero right now at 2133/6400). I went back to 6.02 and the problems disappeared. 8.02 just dropped so as a test I went BACK to 7.02 and TM5 was failing again. Went to 8.02 and now TM5 passes no problem again. Yeah, hopefully the reviews will be a bit better but actual real benchmarks out in the wild aren't exactly showing that 30-35% uplift both in OpenCL and Vulkan along with those game tests but the deluge of reviews next week will provide clarity. Translation: "Hope I score a 5090, but if not I'm good with my 4090....but I really would like to score a 5090!" 🙂 4090 is still a monster....

In typical ASUS style, the Astral name will likely be an accurate reflection of the price. Performance will be a secondary consideration as it has been with most Strix products.

Smoke and mirrors... AI generated fake multi-frames is not "performance" LOL. It's a software snowjob. NVIDIA has never looked more sneaky and dishonest than they do now. They need to compare next gen to current gen with no frame generation, just bare metal without any stupid AI crap or silly software manipulation.

I'll end up with one eventually for my MSI 1300AI_SuperDuper_Terminator_Matrix edition (we all know the naming is headed that way), but I'll run the tentacles for a bit at first.

Yes, I really enjoy guns as well. I only own two guns though I have a Glock 30 in 45 ACP, and a AR15 in 6MM ARC with 1-8 scope. Guns are a lot Of fun! I also enjoy motor and cars as well. But they really are way too expensive for me to play with other than owning a used something cheap for basic transportation. After lots of debating and thinking I have decided my direction with the Lian Li V3000+ Plus. This is one serious case, and I was getting overwhelmed with all the stuff I needed to feel like I’m actually doing it some justice. I’m going to order (2) German Watercool brand 480mm stainless rads, and (1) cheaper 480mm rad for the basement that isn’t seen, then I’m putting in a dual D5 distro plate made by Singularity Computers. And I’ll do push/ pull with some white Lian Li fans. I don’t think I realized the budget I’d need to blow on just building in this case and doing it properly Honestly lol. I’m trying to be cheap with it which is proving to be a real challenge lol. But I’m going to pull it off and make it look cool. I’m probably gonna keep my 4090 and put a waterblock on it. It’s not feasibly realistic to buy a 5090 right now. I may grab one in 6 months or 1 year though as an upgrade to incorporate in this exact same case/build/loop.

I still can't tell whether I'm more fascinated or intimidated by this Lian Li V3000+ case. Its proportions and weight are just absurd... Literally just looks like someone took a normal full tower case and then just photoshopped it or stuck it in a gigantification machine and blew it up to 200% scale. I am finding my self really lost in the build process just a little lol. I’m shopping for some 480’s as we speak. The next thing is I’m torn on using a generic universal distribution plate, or am I gonna use a case specific distribution plate. Singularity makes a really good dual two part distribution plate, that I will probably use. Then moving on to fans is a whole other subject. I’ll probably get these Lian li fans that are solid white and non-RGB for simplicity throughout the whole case. And then there’s the 5090! The distraction of this upcoming release alone is making me want to “back burner” my “build in a case” and just buy a 5090 🤣 🥴 Nvidia, just send me one already for free. I have been a GeForce customer for over 20 years now lol.

I will more than likely stick to what ever Microcenter has between January 30 to March 30 or so. Hopefully they will carry the K|ngP|n model as well at some point. Going to talk with people in the know to see if that can become a reality. (Should he release one)

Ir seems Asus prefer not to change the way the 12+4 pin connector is soldered on top of the PCB. Why? And what do you gain from this? I tell you... Slightly easier to remove the connector from the card because the hook is on top. Asus is the only one that do it this way. And they are also alone on top with melted connectors. Jup, even with the refreshed 12V-2x6. Hmmm. Even Gigabyte also offer 5000 series Nvidia cards for Meltgate Part 2 now. They do as Asus and solder the 12V-2x6 connector uppside down. Aka the opposite from previous gen. Yup, the gamers really need help with the tiny Nvidia power connector. What brand will be the next with stupid engineering? Looking forwards to Meltgate Part 2 as Nvidia increased the TDP for 5090😁 https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N5090GAMING-OC-32GD/gallery#gallery

Fair enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping we will beat the odds and somehow make it, warts and all, but given the direction of travel it looks it will take a battle the humanity hasn't seen before. In theory we could grow a super-intelligent hive mind and shut this shit down right now (we haven't so far, but perhaps an impending catastrophe would help focus the minds), it's just extremely hard given who controls both the traditional and social media, never mind numerous other (even more serious) human challenges. Maybe not the best place to discuss this, but all definitely related to NVidia's CES keynote unfortunately. "Damn it, it's him again"

Memory speed is definitely a weakness of the last gen 4 slot memory design employed by MSI. I hope that next gen we will have affordable CAMM memory and up to 256G to have the best of both worlds. This gen there may still be a new Creator from MSI with up to 192GB but that will probably be late and expensive as always. Possibly more interesting is a new entry with up to 192 GB from Acer that could also have 3 drive slots with 3x2GB being a possible explanation for its announced up to 6TB of storage but it may also mean 4TB + 2TB. It also has a 5070/5080/5090 GPU selection which would make it well suited as a lower priced big screen workstation alternative with a higher than 200W combined CPU and GPU TDP (looking at you Dell). https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/6/24337047/acer-predator-helios-18-16-ai-gaming-laptops-4k-mini-led-price https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-Helios-18-AI-and-Predator-Helios-16-AI-announced-with-Thunderbolt-5-0-and-top-shelf-hardware-from-Intel-and-Nvidia.942129.0.html Then there is of course the Clevo X580 but it again seems the be based on the not so great chassis of the previous two generations. As @win32asmguy can confirm the predecessor had a couple of issues with the most important being not so great cooling so this would have to be addressed even if they do not change that rather disappointing chassis design. So far no news from Lenovo and HP regarding offerings of 18" workstation or gaming options, probably not. In other news the top of the line Asus unit does not look any more like a cheap transparent plastic plaything from 20 years ago and they have improved accessibility. Might be interesting if 2 memory slots and two drive slots are enough. Edit: Just saw this: WTF! All of this would have to be turned off and personally I would want to get some kind of skin for the lid - obviously I am not the target audience 😄

The 5070 is the new 4090 from what Jensen states....

It's official, Asus ROG Apex x870e: AMD 9950X3D will boost as high as the normal variant (yay!) but we all know damn well the X3D will be on the slower CCD (boo!) AMD 9070xt looking to shape up as expected, but FSR4 only on 9000 is a big fail: I will be looking at the Taichi, Nitro+ and AMD reference models: MSI failing with the Titan and only offering 2xDDR5 memory slots but 1x gen5 and 3x gen4 NVME support (versus their Raider one of each), but besides that and some custom fancy design choices, Raider might be the better buy depending on cooling performance

I did go an check the line of course, but i think I could have gotten a 5080 because they still had one listed. The next morning (3am) it said 3 left, but I am not a Gigabyte GPU fan. Of course i'll keep checking MC website and then drive by the parking lot, but if it's to many people then I'll just keep driving. They usually announce if they have cards around 7 am to 9 am to keep people from just waiting. And will usually say how many they have. so people in line past that amount can just go about their business. Which I thought was decent of them.

MSI GeForce RTX 5080 Suprim Liquid SOC 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card available in England. Only £1,799.99 or $2,235.84 USD. Have been available all day and the gamers still don't want it, LOOL Dang.... Thats +100% above MSRP. Yup, incl tax but still.

I laughed out loud over this one. 🤣 In all honesty, we were all Sheeple the moment we ponied up $1500 for a 3090 and $2k for a KPE...... Or when we ponied up $1600+ for a 4090..... Cards moved for Ampere and Ada priced at $2k so Nvidia and AIBs keep pushing upward till they feel a noticeable loss in sales like the 4080 and retreated back down to $999 with the 5080 and have stayed there even this cycle along with lowering prices on the 5070ti and keeping the 5070 the same price. It shows Nvidia bean counters respond to market forces like consumer spending limits and AMD. 5090? Zero competition. Zero need to compete price wise. AIBs? Getting in on the money grab. 40% markup for Asus this time with the Astral vs 25% before with the Strix. MSI? 25% markup vs less than 10% before with the Suprim.

The vram temp will most likely be damn high in a baby sized pc chassis. NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition Review - The New Flagship Review Graphics Cards NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 is the fastest graphics card ever released. It comes with a whopping 32 GB VRAM, and support for multi-frame generation, which achieves hundreds of FPS easily. We also managed to disassemble the card, and our review includes performance testing without upscaling or frame generation, too. Hmmm... With Blackwell, NVIDIA has removed the "Hot Spot" sensor, you still have access to "GPU Temperature" and "Memory Temperature". While there was always some drama around Hot Spot, it was useful to diagnose a misaligned cooler or waterblock. For creators and AI, this capability is useful though, as it lets them run larger problems, but that also means that these people, with deep pockets, will snatch away cards from gamers. Yup, 32GB is mostly useful for AI (not for gamers) so a perfect card for creators with deep pockets. When will we see the flagship cards for 4K gamers? Aka 5080Ti with +20GB vram. FYI. If nvidia will make a 800W Titan card.... The cooler neeed to be much bigger. And that will destroy for those that want/need more than one Titan card in their PC. Hence better with 2x5090 FE (dual-slot form factor) if the need is there for AI computing. The card reached a maximum temperature of 77°C, which is cool enough. vram in the mid 90's. Noise levels are pretty high though with 40 dBA. While I'd like to applaud NVIDIA for being brave enough to make their flagship a dual-slot card, I think the vast majority of the market would have been better served with a larger volume design similar to the RTX 4090. Not so sure bro @electrosoft will be happy with the FE temps. But this should be the cheapest 5090. The temps/noise will be quite high in a small mini ITX box. These temps is with the darkFlash DY470. Not Exactly a small form factor PC box.

I do that quite frequently lol. 🙂 @tps3443 Looking at the MSI markup, it is actually over a **200%** markup over the 4090 ($150->$500) for the Liquid 4090 on top of an already $400 price increase between the 4090 and 5090. Absolutely bonkers.

I had reflashed my board today to 8.02 after double confirming 7.02 was wonking out on TM5 and Timespy CPU clocks were dipping bad on CPU portion. 8.02 clean 5.9 down the pike with tuned Intel enforced limits. I need it to present its best self when it goes up against the 9800X3D. 🙂 Don't mind the red exclamation mark. I had the fps locked to 120fps for some Fallout testing. ----- Jedec 4800 vs XMP 8200 in Fallout nets about a 10% gain in avg fps and a 15% gain in 1% lows before re-tune (coming up). It will come down to maybe again superior PCB (Suprim) vs 2.1b support and other factors. Also if you're going to block it. I'm not sure what the play is going to be for those who want to block the FE and have to have a block that either provides a built in PCIe slot connector or a way to mount the daughterboard onto the block and still connect to the FE board after you clean up the LM and see if the LM dam gets in the way. I think of the FE as the "thin and light laptop" version of the 5090 desktop cards. Luckily we'll find out in a few days.

Nice! Especially considering the degradation shown in the Suprim cards last time around with the stock thermal paste. This really won't matter much to gamers. Card will work as advertised and probably pull around 500w on average while gaming. ------ 9070 series not dropping till March....grrrrr. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-radeon-rx-9070-series-launching-in-march Well, that takes them out of the running for now with me. 7900xtx/4080 Super used / 5070 or 5090......

Some of the old modular laptop crew may like this: It is an interesting concept to say the least and probably what he had hinted at in a previous video. Of course it is a bit of a bad joke that this unique watercooled more modular laptop that also sports a good keyboard layout is limited to 16" and rather basic memory and drive options.

From 6:40 5090 above double the performance vs 4090. If it wasn't for the new fake frame feature the performance uplift would be very boring. Yep, software developement is very profitably. Edit. The new 3 pieces pcb. Cracked PCB aka dead card should be post history if you can find and replace the finger card.

Hmmm. Remember Lightning was their flagship. Same is Matrix for Asus. Why you think MSI put on the Lightning logo? Btw. We will see the real vram silicon lottery first for RTX5080 series cards... https://wccftech.com/msi-geforce-rtx-50-gpus-are-exciting-exhilarating-extremely-powerful-suprim-vanguard-gaming-ventus/

I moved mine right back to MC for 1885.61 and already have it back on my MC card. That has already been done. Your choices are buy or don't buy. 🙂

If the 5070 truly shifted performance up by 2 performance classes vs the previous generation, then the pricing seems a bit better to swallow, but I'm still not going to allow them to condition me to higher prices. A 70 class card should still not be that expensive, but I digress. I'm conditioned to Pascal era prices.