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I just wanted to keep the group together, I enjoy the chats and even sometimes (though I'll never admit it) the arguments that take place. Sometimes they get heated and require a timeout to let people cool off but otherwise I despise the heavy handedness / on the nose bias some other forums or reddit have in terms of moderation. Also have to thank @Aaron44126 for leading the charge on archiving the posts from NBR. It may come time to have that information internet facing into the Forum. I am a heavy proponent of "The more authority you exert, the less you have" and I try to keep that in the back pocket for moderating here also and in leading my teams at work. You are henceforth BANNED FOR LIFE. No good deed and all that lol Honestly ALL infrastructure, planning, software deployment was all built by @Hiew. I may handle how we moderate and deal with escalations but without Hiew this forum would not exist. He's FINALLY starting to get motivated to build donations and/or subs to assist with forum expenses also so we just have to figure out a good time for both of us to pull away from work. Im hoping we get something locked in this year maybe around the holidays. In other news, a friend of a friend got a miship from Amazon for some 9070 XT's, I bought 3 for 575/each and sold one to a colleague. Also ordered another 64GB of sRAM and 512GB of Persistent Memory for my server totalling 1.1TB of useable RAM. Going to try my hand at some larger local models with the 2-3 9070 XT's Same colleague is trading his R5 3600 + 6700 XT for my 5800X3D that I no longer use so that makes it 3x 9070 XT's for the local AI server. I hate what AI has done to my hobby but I still want to get a working understanding of how to use it. Adapt or Die and all that

Posts like this make my day. I was never part of the NBR crowd myself, but when Reciever asked me to help NBR find a new home, I was happy to jump in. I’m honored you guys have kept NBT as your home all these years. Thanks for the kind words!

hey guys, just wanted to say THANKS for all the years in this community, i know were living in our own small hardware nerd bubble here, but i also know that for most of us its a little release valve, a safe space to just drop out of the often exhausting real ilfe for a moment and be among likeminded absolutely over-the-top insane but in the end harmless and well-meaning peers. no worries, this is not a suicide note or goodbye or anything like that. just a bit of appreciation for y'all and a perspective check for me. dont be sad or angry or frustrated on what uve missed / dont have / uve lost / any pain youve went through. be thankful for what and especially who you have, cherish those little moments, stay curious, allow yourself the chance to just be wrong and learn something new, keep that basic childish wonder as long as you can. cheers guys! PS: and FFS take good care of your 5090s, now especially more than ever! WVPII FTW! 😄 PS2: lemme tag @Reciever and @Hiew to make sure our NBT stars also get this 😛

This way Nvidia gets to keep all the profit so it's fine, just ask Jensen's girlfriend 😄

Well, tomorrow (Sunday) Mrs. Fox and I celebrate 40 years of marital bliss. That does not even seem possible. Where did all of the time go? God blessed me with a good one... better than I deserve.

She has expensive taste. It all makes sense now.

I’m doing great! I hope you and your family are all good as well! Im still out of work, sleeping until 11am some days and hustling junk cars, hard to believe it’s been about 6 months now. Life is good! I started playing with Mvolt+ tonight, although I already had it, I haven’t really dug in to it. I just got the new one though, amazing app. My 5090 Astral has a pretty low Xbar like 2,490Mhz, so I focused my tuning there to try and gain some performance. I kept the card all stock for now 600w pwr, 0% voltage slider, auto fans, default memory +0 and default core clocks +0. I started adding voltage to my Xbar and saw performance degradation and Xbar even went down even lower lol. So then I started taking away Xbar voltage, I reached -20mv and the score improved slowly in Steel Nomad DX12, then I began adding Xbar clock frequency and reached +164. So I settled on a 15,500 Steel Nomad score on my 5090 Astral which is amazing. All stock power limit of 100%, and 0% voltage slider, no memory or core overclocking, or undervolting at all. So just with Xbar clocks going up. Then I undervolted the card to 900mv, OCed the memory +3,000, and it hit its 16,001 and even idling at 10 watts on the desktop. Not even really pushing the card at all. Great daily setup for air card.

Probably did one of the most idiotic things I've done in a long time lol. I went to Microcenter the other day and took the last 5090 Astral 20th Edition they had on hand. The catch was you had to buy the entire ridiculous bundle. I'm not even kidding when I say I was shocked at the size of the boxes and it looked ridiculous packing it into my SUV. The price was just stupid. But I figured I could sell of the extra parts. I also sold my 5090 D HOF XOC locally for $6500 and it took a lot of the sting out of it. I sold off the motherboard and PSU and am likely going to keep the case because you can use it as a open air test bench which I've always wanted. This thing looks quality and I can use it as a vertical open air case too. So while I have no use yet, I plan to eventually build a nice test bench setup and this case will fit the bill. My biggest concern was I wanted a warranty on my 5090, and given the "D" model, I thought it might be hard to sell in the future locally. The reason I wanted this card was the dual power input. I bought the adapter and the adapter cable from China, so I can use the card with dual 12v2x6 inputs and no need to use a stupid BTF board. It also locked in my warranty for another 3 years and at the crazy price Asus charged. I passed on the Microcenter warranty, but I'm now wondering if I shouldn't go back and add it. I might even take the 3 year warranty, especially since things like mvolt exist now. Downside, the card is kinda meh. Like it's barely better than my 5090 D HOF which was already a terrible bin. Still need to really test it once I get dual power input on it and can push the amps. Upside is that it seems to undervolt like fairly well. I am able to run +350 at .9v for around 2850mhz. It shaved off around 100w for almost identical perf. Microcenter did have an already built unit, so there is a card in there technically I could swap for. But honestly, I don't just benchmark all day long, my time that I have I mostly hit up the games so I'm not upset the silicon is mid at best. The card is just ridiculous sized too. The cooler is insane. It has the 800w vBIOS by default, but of course you can't use that until you use the adapter/cable or BTF connector. Of course mvolt takes care of that too.

Congrats Mr. and Mrs. Fox! I just celebrated 13 years last month.

I can understand it. This is what they are doing to all of us. Financial rape. Simple as that. They should watch out though. You know what they say about pay-back. (It starts with a "b" and ends with "itch" if you were not sure.) Companies that lie together die together. First EVGA. Now Galax. Wonder who comes next? Who will be left and who dumb enough to sell NVIDIA chips after the AI bubble breaks? Edit: https://community.hwbot.org/topic/248718-cpu-z-version-usage-limited-to-version-301-and-newer/#findComment-720971

Yes, it does. Just remember that it's better to look good than to feel good.

Herro all. Long time no see. I came here today for a couple of reasons. First, a question: Does anybody know if the latest BIOS update for my motherboard (Z690 Strix-F gaming wifi DDR5 version) has any issues I should avoid or is it safe to bump the BIOS up to it? Figured I might as well at some point since a bunch of features of this board quite simply do not work and some others are telling me they should function. Secondly, as you all know I'm not a benchmarker, but somebody today convinced me to run Steel Nomad DX12 with my system, so I clocked my card to hell and decided to crash it for funsies. It didn't crash. So uhh, here? Have my first run? It managed to get me all the way to 7th place worldwide for my hardware combination so that was surprising. So naturally, the next course of action was to run Port Royal and see if THAT crashed. It did not. This one also got me nicely on the leaderboards, 8th for my setup. So that was fun. I can still hang with the crowd I guess hehehehe Hope everyone's doing well! I'll be 37 in a couple weeks I'm becoming an old man. Need a cane and everything soon I swear.

We've seen the "barely off the line and onto the pallets for direct sale," song and dance before with both Cryptodemics we went through....no middle man just pure profit for the AIBs. I never thought the 5090 was discontinued. They've just redirected them to the AI market prioritizing that profit sector especially considering 5090s were being ripped apart and sent to China for AI deployment and I am sure elsewhere too. We just tend to narrow focus on China considering its economic and technological importance in the world. I posted earlier about not being a discontinuation and poking fun at Jensen: ---------------------------------------------------------------- New 7500X3D back from RMA working exactly like it should on the $237.50 after MC CC use 7500X3D + Asrock B850m bundle deal from Microcenter tested with the TG 2x8200 24GB sticks..... Refund already issued for the returned Noctua 420mm. I have the H9 Flow 2025 Edition here but right now all the components are installed still in the Phanteks but it will have to move seeing as I have no room to install the RAM cooling in the Phanteks due to its design with the Lian Li Lite 360 installed up top.... This is with the aRGB of the Lian Li not even connected...lots of default I'll need to address with OpenRGB or something similar to rein in the "Carebear Stare!" status once moved but hardware wise this is final boss form for the H9 Flow 2025 case change incoming....

I was looking at PS5 and PS5 Pro specs as we near closer to GTA6 launch! Yeah lol. Console is locked in at 30fps with no performance modes available for 60fps even being an option. Apparently this limitation is due to the games CPU intensive scenarios. And since the PS5 Pro is running something similar to a Ryzen 3700x desktop 8/16 CPU but it’s clocked about 400-500Mhz slower, and only has 1/4 the L3 cache size of a standard Ryzen 3700X. This is why the 30fps cap is required on even the PS5 Pro. Anyways, I just found that interesting how weak-ish the PS5 Pro’s CPU really is.

Man I would embrace that so hard. Go outside with the rig and do some OC fun. Covered of course. Then light a fire inside and chill sipping some coffee.

I mean, there are multiple RTX 5090 GPUs available shipped and sold by Newegg right now. But the price is over $6000. But shockingly, they've remained in stock for over a day. If stock builds back up, we might actually see prices finally start to drop as well. https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-astral-rog-astral-rtx5090-o32g-gaming-geforce-rtx-5090-32gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814126751 https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-n5090aorus-m-32gd-geforce-rtx-5090-32gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814932760 https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-n5090aorusm-ice-32gd-geforce-rtx-5090-32gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814932765 https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-n5090aorusst-ice-32gd-geforce-rtx-5090-32gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814932810 https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gv-n5090gaming-oc-32gd-geforce-rtx-5090-32gb-graphics-card-triple-fans/p/N82E16814932761 Don't everyone buy at once! Stand back people! LOL. At least the Gigabyte cards come with a motherboard?

Reddit FTW....

Well this was wrong. I foolishly thought the riser card was needed to connect to the BTF port but completely not needed. 🤣 It's for using to connect to a BTF board. The BTF to 12v2x6 cable works flawlessly. Near perfect 12v under 800w load with great per pin distribution.

Hey everyone! It’s been a while. Still rocking the same rig. One useful thing about the test bench is, we can move it to the living room! Ryzen 9950X3D2 (2200fclk) (2x16GB) Gskill DDR5 6000c26 kit @6400c26 with 1.500v VDD. X870 Strix motherboard 5090 astral. I run a Curve Optimizer per core on my 9950X3D2 which is tuned perfectly on each core. Some cores handle a -18 undervolt, and others can do a -33 undervolt. I found this worked best rather than setting a per CCD. I have considered water cooling my 5090 for the long haul since GPU’s have changed so much, but with the way they seem to be very limited inside the USA and even RMA issues being reported, I figured I probably won’t mess with any modifications at all. I’m not going to shunt mod it or even run the higher TGP bios. Probably not worth the risk with prices being what they are and at all. If it were a 5090FE that would be hard personally because they really need more power to compensate for the much softer “FE” bios. Anyways, 5090 Astral gets it done very well. I’m pretty sure it’s about 7 to 9% faster than a FE stock VS. stock.

The old X79 Gene Rampage IV setup was not working great for the grand daughter that was using it as a gaming rig, so I bought a cheap AM4 CPU/mobo/RAM combo from Micro Center to upgrade her tired system. Knowing I would essentially get nothing selling the old parts I decided to build something useful that I have absolutely I no use for. The old Xeon octacore, 32GB of HyperX Beast DDR3-2400 and Titan Black still has plenty of mojo for a home server. FygoOS (Linux server OS) works really great. Just using spare parts that also have almost no value. Tired old 2TB HDDs in RAID1 with a 128GB SSD used as a cache to speed things up.

Did I post this before ? Anyway. Damn, that (non-existing 🥴) guitarist is beyond good...

Kept my 5090D HOF XOC because I love the dual power input and I may as well keep a 5090. I also picked up a 5080 Astral before the price hike, thank god. Now that same GPU is $2700 at Microcenter which is just absolutely insanely stupid. I actually still have not opened it yet, been way too busy with work and picking up extra time. Now I hear a 24gb 5080 is coming and considering returning the 5080 and waiting for that as my secondary card. I'm still planning on grabbing that Nova Lake day 1 as is tradition lol.

This one is dedicated to......

So, I got another 8800 CUDIMM kit (Corsair Vengeance) to use in the Unify-X with the CPU I was given by Brother @Talon. I started studying Intel DDR5 memory tuning and learned something new using AI (with links to the points of reference authored by humans). tRTP and tWR should be left on "Auto" because the timings get jacked up. Instead, set tRDPRE instead of tRTP and tWRPRE instead of tWR. (This may apply to AMD as well, but I have not tested it.) As you can see in the screenshot, setting tWRPRE to 48 instead of tWR is actually a tighter timing and tWR reads as -2 (left on Auto) and tRDPRE set to 20 reflects tRTP as 20 (left on Auto). This also lowered my latency on L3 Cache. To get tWR to equal 48 you set tWRPRE to 98 if tCWL is 40. You should increase tWRPRE if you want to achieve a target true tWR of 48. The formula Intel use for calculating tWR on DDR5 is: tWR=tWRPRE-tCWL-8 When you set tWRPRE directly to 48, the motherboard's BIOS calculates tWR by subtracting your Write Latency (tCWL) and the DDR5 burst length of 8. Because tCWL is typically equal to or slightly lower than your tCL (which is likely between 30 and 40 on a Z890 setup), subtracting it drops the real tWR value to essentially nothing (hence the -2 rendering or glitching out in your BIOS. What to set for tWR using tWPRE instead: To get a target tWR of 48, you need to work backward using your tCWL value: Formula: tWRPRE = 48 + tCWL + 8 Example 1: If your tCWL is 38, you would set tWRPRE to 94 (48 + 38 + 8). Example 2: If your tCWL is 40, you would set tWRPRE to 96 (48 + 40 + 8). (Leave tWR set to Auto for this to work.) Leave tWR on Auto, adjust tWRPRE upwards based on this formula, and verify in a tool like AsRock Timing Configurator or MemTweakIt that your effective tWR reports at your desired target. (I used Dragon Ball, obviously.)

Ahh, you will miss it in a couple months when the 24 core 48 thread 10950x drops 🤣

😁

Nice to see both of you again. Glad you are still kicking. @D2ultima my oldest son is 37. He will be 38 in January. I will be 64 in January. Being old is a relative phenomenon.

Hey brothers! Just when I was going to start pivoting my YT channel to talk more about PC hardware and software, the industry continues to worsen for DIY buyers, buyers in general. Matter of fact, it seems more and more of the YT tech crowd are moving towards creation tools like 3D printers, desktop CNC machines and etc (and these have their own incoming perils). I guess it is a good thing that I was a tech hoarder and have kept a lot of mobos. Right now I am looking to pick up a 10850K/10900K and a 10980XE for some overclocking fun. I still have my X299 Dark (and X570) that I want to bring out of retirement. For the 10900K, I have several z590 mobos in my inventory that I forgot I had. LOL, I am now happy I picked up the 9070XT Red Devil and 5070 TI Prime when I did. Gosh, things are bad. I wish I picked up a 5090 when it was around 2300 last Sept. Anyway brothers, I'll update you all when I've secured some of these CPUs

Well said. Thank you for helping build this place for us.

I've often said, and ended posts here, with being thankful to even be in the position to have the ability to purchase and play with some of these toys and high tech items. I have a nice pile of hardware amassed. Only thing I'm on the lookout for atm is a decently priced set of the G.Skill 6000 CL26 1.40 sticks. I could use a few more NVME drives too but overall I'm good. After the shutdown and demise of NBR, @Reciever and @Hiew picking up the reins and running with it with NBT really let us carve out our corner again and just let it flow. I always like it when a long time member from yore discovers NBT and pokes their head in to say hi! And yeah, the WVPII is definitely a blessing on my 5090 which some say could rise to $10k in the new year as supply dries up. I have yet to have my cable deviate or yell at me yet (I'm running the MSI yellow cable included with the MEG 1600T), but I've got it locked down. 🙂

F***ing ay, been playing electric guitar for xx years, parts of this is (again scaringly) from another dimension or planet. Maybe it is, planet AI :O) & no doubt, they are feeding LSD to the AI.

Microcenter officially no longer carries the 5090 as every card with no remaining stock still lingering is now marked as, "No Longer carried." Only card left in stock anywhere for 5090 in Microcenters is the Asus $11k+ after tax bundle and only two of my five localish (~45-100mi away) have 1 in stock each. Why are they still there? Most likely because third party sellers have other models for sale for $4k cheaper.....I'm sure they will eventually move..... Just about every model of 5080 in stock but cheapest price is the $1699 (on sale for $1669) GB WF SFF 5080. Same for the 5070ti but the cheapest model is the Ventus for $1199 on sale for $1149... Newegg is completely wiped out of 5090s as is Amazon and Best Buy. All we have are third party sellers with the lowest price being ~$7k for a Windforce 5090. Only 7 models of 5080s in stock on Newegg with the cheapest being the PNY for $1699.99. Cheapest 5070ti is the $1179 Eagle.... Ugh -------------- I received an email from BHPhoto today informing me the Gigabyte 9070xt Gaming is discontinued. I forgot I had it on my "inform me when in stock," from eons ago. We'll see where that goes.... Cheapest 9070xt is the $800 Reaper and prices are rumored to be going up again.... Certain cards can't be found stateside (GB Aorus Elite and PowerColor 9070xt Red Devil are two examples) as most likely AIBs are going to start consolidating which cards to carry based on profitability. Smart move is to offer lower tier cards at inflated prices to weather the price storm rather than have more expensive models get too close to 5070ti pricing and potentially rot in this PC gaming market downturn, but again, we will see.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I said it before and I'll say it again... 270k is an absolute banger and price:performance it is a monster. Toss in Microcenter bundle deals and it gets crazy.... ----------------------------------------------------------- No thanks. Picked up my on hold at Best Buy H9 Flow 2025 Edition yesterday for $109.99 that checks all my boxes especially with my army of P14 Arctic 140mm fans. I think I have at least 12 of them strewn about for my build out..... I had $90 in rewards sitting in my account from when our TV decided to fail earlier this year and we needed a new one so final price was $21.38 He was mostly disappointed in the assembly frustration and MSI trying to be "fancy" and causing access issues and usability. Beautiful to look at but pricey, frustrating to build in and hard to access features once built. I can't imagine dropping $800 on a case. Then again I never imagined dropping $2k on a GPU so who knows in the future?! 🤑

Dept. of non-humanity. It's all getting scaringly good. When Heavy Metal Ruled the 70s

No end yet :O) w8 & old Dell Latitude doing fine, zero problems. Browsing, light photo editing, streaming, bt music. Browsing, some website errors here and there but almost ok using Firefox Extended Support, still getting updates. Not bothered by security concerns, w8 surely of minimal interest as a target, in view of the 4 people still using it. Nice behaviour (!) from MS, Defender support continues.

I discovered something else that improves CPU performance. There is an option found on the CPU Power Management Control page that needs to be disabled for maximum CPU performance on Windoze and especially so for Linux. On older BIOS (like I use) it is named "Resource Priority Feature" (sounds like something good, but the "priority" is wrong) and on newer BIOS it will be listed as "HWP Autonomous EPP Grouping" (or something similar to that). It is in the same screen where you disable C-states, SpeedShit and Intel Dynamic Platform Framework crap. This setting allows Windoze to control CPU behavior to conserve energy at the expense of maximizing overclocked performance. Linux is even more aggressive at doing that and the power management crap requires more effort to manipulate in Linux. (Maybe because European countries are more Nazi-like in their quest to reduce power consumption and Linux is far more common in Europe than the US. Just a guess on my part.) Anyhoo... disabling this setting increases my Cinebench scores by about 600 points and also see higher CPU-Z single and mult-core benchmark numbers. Using the same CPU overclock settings, the Cinebench score is consistently in the 48.2-48.3K range enable versus 48.8-48.9K disabled. With the setting enabled, CPU-Z multi-thread is in the high 20K range (always under 21K) and single thread in the 950 range. Disabled, it jumps up to these values.

@tps3443 - try the above to see if it works for Ryzen the same. Leave tWR on Auto and use the formula above to control tWR using tWRPRE. With tWR set to Auto you should see the actual value displayed (48 in the above example) in ZenTimings. Tweaked a couple more settings to drop latency a bit more. I think I might be looking for another 8800 or 9000 CUDIMM kit in a few months. (I am seeing some indications that DDR5 prices might start to go down soon. Hope so.) For the interim, I think I am going to strip the chrome heatsinks off my new Corsair Vengeance 8800 CUDIMMs and put them in the second Apex on water and put these 8400 G.SKILL UDIMMs in the Unify-X (also on water) since it is not quite as good at memory overclocking as the Apex boards are.

@Bullit I LOVE saxaphone

Shout out again to Microcenter..... When I saw you picked up the 20th edition bundle I did giggle a bit and thought to myself, "My Day One source strikes again!" 🤣 Our local MC still has a single Asus 20th edition package in stock. I tried to talk a buddy into picking it up to upgrade his aging 2080ti + 5800X3D rig and his exact words were, "are you daft? YOU pick it up!" 🤣 Glad the replacement is a much better sample and in the end it looks slick AF. It is easily the best looking 5090 on the market IMHO.

Went into Microcenter to add the warranty. Brought the card with me and talked with the tech and manager about the artifacts. Had the video on my phone showing it happening on the desktop and in games. They said not normal and wanted to swap the card. They only had the demo unit they had on display behind glass left but offered that card. They took the card, put it into it's retail box and swapped the GPU and added the 2 year warranty. Just got the card in and it's significantly better and no artifacts yet. 57.6% ASIC, not a lottery winner but not a dud at all. My previous card would crash at 3300Mhz in GPUZ. This card does 3400Mhz and uses 1085Mv max. I'm just happy to have a card that isn't artifacting out of box. Got my adapter delivered and unfortunately, my Apex board blocks the cable. The heatsink gets in the way. Ugh. So now I'll have to use a small offset or go vertical or something. Not my favorite but it seems no choice.

I have seen weird glitches like that with some of the 621.XX drivers and I have seen it when undervolting GPUs. I am assuming it is with the GPU running stock with no tweaks like undervolting or overclocking. If it is bone stock, have you tried an earlier driver branch, like 610.XX or 596.XX to see if the behavior is the same? If it is the same across several driver braches, test with a different monitor and different HDMI/DP cable. (I have an ASUS 4K 120 HZ IPS display that has all sorts of weird issues with various GPUs to the point that I only use it as an office TV now.) If it still persists after all of those things then something has to be wrong with the GPU.

Nice to see you, brother. Hope all is well with the family. With mVolt+ there is no longer any need to cross-flash BIOS, shunt-mod or use EVC2 for voltage control. You can change all of those things with software now... just a portable exe file does it all. And, now you can also run the latest DLSS and frame gen on GPUs NVIDIA said "do not support" DLSS and MFG. Yup, on something like a 3060 that would barely manage 30 FPS at 4K now you can do 100+ FPS, thanks to talented modders finding ways to beat and defeat the Green Goblin's lies and shenanigans. DLSS Enabler or DLSS5 Manager even let's you run DLSS on some AMD and Intel GPUs now.

@Eban thank you for pointing that out. I have checked and is not bloated, it is fine. There is a shadow of the white wire that it is covering it, makes it look oddly. Almost 2 weeks and the AC ADAPTER is still working well after the repair.

CPU-Z fixed their messed up v3 validation garbage. https://valid.cpuid.com/s3apu5dq Glad I complained. Using XOC mode helped and they changed the drive recognition error in CPU-Z from WARN to INFO. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/247206-sneak-peek-at-cpu-z-300-validator-v3/page/3/#findComment-721287 Their detection on other things is still broken. Both of these are disabled on my systems. Code Integrity:Enabled| Fast Startup:Enabled

Probably so. Unless it is priced like a 9950X3D2 (or worse). The thing I like a lot about the 270K Plus is that it performs better than 9950X at half the cost, and overclocks much better (both CPU and memory).

Good news for ASUS Z890 mobo owners. The latest version of Dragon Ball reads memory timings correctly, unlike the crappy new versions of ASRock Timing Configurator and ASUS MemTweakIt. There is also a new version for AMD available. I downloaded it for the Unify-X and was happy to see it worked for the Z890 Apex. The only thing I have missed from AMD ownership is ZenTimings and now that is a non-issue. https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?threads/msi-dragon-ball-and-dragon-power-for-z890.405338/post-2390679

Nvida and China is best pals. And if they want something from Jensen's company, they will get it. Meanwhile, export-restricted Nvidia AI chips continue to reach China despite the restrictions, bypassing the Trump administration's efforts in the process. China’s tech giants drop $35 billion on export-compliant Nvidia RTX Pro 5500 workstation GPU orders to power AI ambitions, according to reports — ByteDance, Alibaba and Tencent order 3 million cards despite warnings that only 10% of orders are fulfillable Surging demand for Nvidia's chips in China isn't stopping... Chinese technology giants ByteDance, Alibaba and Tencent have reportedly spent over $35 billion on orders for more than 3 million Nvidia RTX Pro 5500 workstation GPUs. The huge order for the RTX Pro 5500, fully compliant with U.S. restrictions on exports of AI-capable GPUs to China Hmmm. My oldest son is born early Feb 1989. Does that mean I'm old too?😀

No, DP is the same on both platforms. The only difference is in the DP generation: DP, DP+ and DP++.

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