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I just wanted to keep the group together, I enjoy the chats and even sometimes (though I'll never admit it) the arguments that take place. Sometimes they get heated and require a timeout to let people cool off but otherwise I despise the heavy handedness / on the nose bias some other forums or reddit have in terms of moderation. Also have to thank @Aaron44126 for leading the charge on archiving the posts from NBR. It may come time to have that information internet facing into the Forum. I am a heavy proponent of "The more authority you exert, the less you have" and I try to keep that in the back pocket for moderating here also and in leading my teams at work. You are henceforth BANNED FOR LIFE. No good deed and all that lol Honestly ALL infrastructure, planning, software deployment was all built by @Hiew. I may handle how we moderate and deal with escalations but without Hiew this forum would not exist. He's FINALLY starting to get motivated to build donations and/or subs to assist with forum expenses also so we just have to figure out a good time for both of us to pull away from work. Im hoping we get something locked in this year maybe around the holidays. In other news, a friend of a friend got a miship from Amazon for some 9070 XT's, I bought 3 for 575/each and sold one to a colleague. Also ordered another 64GB of sRAM and 512GB of Persistent Memory for my server totalling 1.1TB of useable RAM. Going to try my hand at some larger local models with the 2-3 9070 XT's Same colleague is trading his R5 3600 + 6700 XT for my 5800X3D that I no longer use so that makes it 3x 9070 XT's for the local AI server. I hate what AI has done to my hobby but I still want to get a working understanding of how to use it. Adapt or Die and all that

Posts like this make my day. I was never part of the NBR crowd myself, but when Reciever asked me to help NBR find a new home, I was happy to jump in. I’m honored you guys have kept NBT as your home all these years. Thanks for the kind words!

hey guys, just wanted to say THANKS for all the years in this community, i know were living in our own small hardware nerd bubble here, but i also know that for most of us its a little release valve, a safe space to just drop out of the often exhausting real ilfe for a moment and be among likeminded absolutely over-the-top insane but in the end harmless and well-meaning peers. no worries, this is not a suicide note or goodbye or anything like that. just a bit of appreciation for y'all and a perspective check for me. dont be sad or angry or frustrated on what uve missed / dont have / uve lost / any pain youve went through. be thankful for what and especially who you have, cherish those little moments, stay curious, allow yourself the chance to just be wrong and learn something new, keep that basic childish wonder as long as you can. cheers guys! PS: and FFS take good care of your 5090s, now especially more than ever! WVPII FTW! 😄 PS2: lemme tag @Reciever and @Hiew to make sure our NBT stars also get this 😛

Well, tomorrow (Sunday) Mrs. Fox and I celebrate 40 years of marital bliss. That does not even seem possible. Where did all of the time go? God blessed me with a good one... better than I deserve.

This way Nvidia gets to keep all the profit so it's fine, just ask Jensen's girlfriend 😄

I’m doing great! I hope you and your family are all good as well! Im still out of work, sleeping until 11am some days and hustling junk cars, hard to believe it’s been about 6 months now. Life is good! I started playing with Mvolt+ tonight, although I already had it, I haven’t really dug in to it. I just got the new one though, amazing app. My 5090 Astral has a pretty low Xbar like 2,490Mhz, so I focused my tuning there to try and gain some performance. I kept the card all stock for now 600w pwr, 0% voltage slider, auto fans, default memory +0 and default core clocks +0. I started adding voltage to my Xbar and saw performance degradation and Xbar even went down even lower lol. So then I started taking away Xbar voltage, I reached -20mv and the score improved slowly in Steel Nomad DX12, then I began adding Xbar clock frequency and reached +164. So I settled on a 15,500 Steel Nomad score on my 5090 Astral which is amazing. All stock power limit of 100%, and 0% voltage slider, no memory or core overclocking, or undervolting at all. So just with Xbar clocks going up. Then I undervolted the card to 900mv, OCed the memory +3,000, and it hit its 16,001 and even idling at 10 watts on the desktop. Not even really pushing the card at all. Great daily setup for air card.

Probably did one of the most idiotic things I've done in a long time lol. I went to Microcenter the other day and took the last 5090 Astral 20th Edition they had on hand. The catch was you had to buy the entire ridiculous bundle. I'm not even kidding when I say I was shocked at the size of the boxes and it looked ridiculous packing it into my SUV. The price was just stupid. But I figured I could sell of the extra parts. I also sold my 5090 D HOF XOC locally for $6500 and it took a lot of the sting out of it. I sold off the motherboard and PSU and am likely going to keep the case because you can use it as a open air test bench which I've always wanted. This thing looks quality and I can use it as a vertical open air case too. So while I have no use yet, I plan to eventually build a nice test bench setup and this case will fit the bill. My biggest concern was I wanted a warranty on my 5090, and given the "D" model, I thought it might be hard to sell in the future locally. The reason I wanted this card was the dual power input. I bought the adapter and the adapter cable from China, so I can use the card with dual 12v2x6 inputs and no need to use a stupid BTF board. It also locked in my warranty for another 3 years and at the crazy price Asus charged. I passed on the Microcenter warranty, but I'm now wondering if I shouldn't go back and add it. I might even take the 3 year warranty, especially since things like mvolt exist now. Downside, the card is kinda meh. Like it's barely better than my 5090 D HOF which was already a terrible bin. Still need to really test it once I get dual power input on it and can push the amps. Upside is that it seems to undervolt like fairly well. I am able to run +350 at .9v for around 2850mhz. It shaved off around 100w for almost identical perf. Microcenter did have an already built unit, so there is a card in there technically I could swap for. But honestly, I don't just benchmark all day long, my time that I have I mostly hit up the games so I'm not upset the silicon is mid at best. The card is just ridiculous sized too. The cooler is insane. It has the 800w vBIOS by default, but of course you can't use that until you use the adapter/cable or BTF connector. Of course mvolt takes care of that too.

Congrats Mr. and Mrs. Fox! I just celebrated 13 years last month.

I can understand it. This is what they are doing to all of us. Financial rape. Simple as that. They should watch out though. You know what they say about pay-back. (It starts with a "b" and ends with "itch" if you were not sure.) Companies that lie together die together. First EVGA. Now Galax. Wonder who comes next? Who will be left and who dumb enough to sell NVIDIA chips after the AI bubble breaks? Edit: https://community.hwbot.org/topic/248718-cpu-z-version-usage-limited-to-version-301-and-newer/#findComment-720971

Yes, it does. Just remember that it's better to look good than to feel good.

Herro all. Long time no see. I came here today for a couple of reasons. First, a question: Does anybody know if the latest BIOS update for my motherboard (Z690 Strix-F gaming wifi DDR5 version) has any issues I should avoid or is it safe to bump the BIOS up to it? Figured I might as well at some point since a bunch of features of this board quite simply do not work and some others are telling me they should function. Secondly, as you all know I'm not a benchmarker, but somebody today convinced me to run Steel Nomad DX12 with my system, so I clocked my card to hell and decided to crash it for funsies. It didn't crash. So uhh, here? Have my first run? It managed to get me all the way to 7th place worldwide for my hardware combination so that was surprising. So naturally, the next course of action was to run Port Royal and see if THAT crashed. It did not. This one also got me nicely on the leaderboards, 8th for my setup. So that was fun. I can still hang with the crowd I guess hehehehe Hope everyone's doing well! I'll be 37 in a couple weeks I'm becoming an old man. Need a cane and everything soon I swear.

We've seen the "barely off the line and onto the pallets for direct sale," song and dance before with both Cryptodemics we went through....no middle man just pure profit for the AIBs. I never thought the 5090 was discontinued. They've just redirected them to the AI market prioritizing that profit sector especially considering 5090s were being ripped apart and sent to China for AI deployment and I am sure elsewhere too. We just tend to narrow focus on China considering its economic and technological importance in the world. I posted earlier about not being a discontinuation and poking fun at Jensen: ---------------------------------------------------------------- New 7500X3D back from RMA working exactly like it should on the $237.50 after MC CC use 7500X3D + Asrock B850m bundle deal from Microcenter tested with the TG 2x8200 24GB sticks..... Refund already issued for the returned Noctua 420mm. I have the H9 Flow 2025 Edition here but right now all the components are installed still in the Phanteks but it will have to move seeing as I have no room to install the RAM cooling in the Phanteks due to its design with the Lian Li Lite 360 installed up top.... This is with the aRGB of the Lian Li not even connected...lots of default I'll need to address with OpenRGB or something similar to rein in the "Carebear Stare!" status once moved but hardware wise this is final boss form for the H9 Flow 2025 case change incoming....

Dept. of non-humanity. It's all getting scaringly good. When Heavy Metal Ruled the 70s

She has expensive taste. It all makes sense now.

Well this was wrong. I foolishly thought the riser card was needed to connect to the BTF port but completely not needed. 🤣 It's for using to connect to a BTF board. The BTF to 12v2x6 cable works flawlessly. Near perfect 12v under 800w load with great per pin distribution.

Hey everyone! It’s been a while. Still rocking the same rig. One useful thing about the test bench is, we can move it to the living room! Ryzen 9950X3D2 (2200fclk) (2x16GB) Gskill DDR5 6000c26 kit @6400c26 with 1.500v VDD. X870 Strix motherboard 5090 astral. I run a Curve Optimizer per core on my 9950X3D2 which is tuned perfectly on each core. Some cores handle a -18 undervolt, and others can do a -33 undervolt. I found this worked best rather than setting a per CCD. I have considered water cooling my 5090 for the long haul since GPU’s have changed so much, but with the way they seem to be very limited inside the USA and even RMA issues being reported, I figured I probably won’t mess with any modifications at all. I’m not going to shunt mod it or even run the higher TGP bios. Probably not worth the risk with prices being what they are and at all. If it were a 5090FE that would be hard personally because they really need more power to compensate for the much softer “FE” bios. Anyways, 5090 Astral gets it done very well. I’m pretty sure it’s about 7 to 9% faster than a FE stock VS. stock.

The old X79 Gene Rampage IV setup was not working great for the grand daughter that was using it as a gaming rig, so I bought a cheap AM4 CPU/mobo/RAM combo from Micro Center to upgrade her tired system. Knowing I would essentially get nothing selling the old parts I decided to build something useful that I have absolutely I no use for. The old Xeon octacore, 32GB of HyperX Beast DDR3-2400 and Titan Black still has plenty of mojo for a home server. FygoOS (Linux server OS) works really great. Just using spare parts that also have almost no value. Tired old 2TB HDDs in RAID1 with a 128GB SSD used as a cache to speed things up.

Did I post this before ? Anyway. Damn, that (non-existing 🥴) guitarist is beyond good...

Kept my 5090D HOF XOC because I love the dual power input and I may as well keep a 5090. I also picked up a 5080 Astral before the price hike, thank god. Now that same GPU is $2700 at Microcenter which is just absolutely insanely stupid. I actually still have not opened it yet, been way too busy with work and picking up extra time. Now I hear a 24gb 5080 is coming and considering returning the 5080 and waiting for that as my secondary card. I'm still planning on grabbing that Nova Lake day 1 as is tradition lol.

This one is dedicated to......

So, I got another 8800 CUDIMM kit (Corsair Vengeance) to use in the Unify-X with the CPU I was given by Brother @Talon. I started studying Intel DDR5 memory tuning and learned something new using AI (with links to the points of reference authored by humans). tRTP and tWR should be left on "Auto" because the timings get jacked up. Instead, set tRDPRE instead of tRTP and tWRPRE instead of tWR. (This may apply to AMD as well, but I have not tested it. As you can see in the screenshot, setting tWRPRE to 48 instead of tWR is actually a tighter timing and tWR reads as -2 (left on Auto) and tRDPRE set to 20 reflects tRTP as 20 (left on Auto). This also lowered my latency on L3 Cache. To get tWR to equal 48 you set tWRPRE to 98 if tCWL is 40. You should increase tWRPRE if you want to achieve a target true tWR of 48. The formula Intel use for calculating tWR on DDR5 is: tWR=tWRPRE-tCWL-8 When you set tWRPRE directly to 48, the motherboard's BIOS calculates tWR by subtracting your Write Latency (tCWL) and the DDR5 burst length of 8. Because tCWL is typically equal to or slightly lower than your tCL (which is likely between 30 and 40 on a Z890 setup), subtracting it drops the real tWR value to essentially nothing (hence the -2 rendering or glitching out in your BIOS. What to set: To get a target tWR of 48, you need to work backward using your tCWL value: Formula: tWRPRE = 48 + tCWL + 8 Example 1: If your tCWL is 38, you would set tWRPRE to 94 (48 + 38 + 8). Example 2: If your tCWL is 40, you would set tWRPRE to 96 (48 + 40 + 8). Leave tWR on Auto, adjust tWRPRE upwards based on this formula, and verify in a tool like AsRock Timing Configurator or MemTweakIt that your effective tWR reports at your desired target. (I used Dragon Ball, obviously.)

Ahh, you will miss it in a couple months when the 24 core 48 thread 10950x drops 🤣

😁

Nice to see both of you again. Glad you are still kicking. @D2ultima my oldest son is 37. He will be 38 in January. I will be 64 in January. Being old is a relative phenomenon.

Hey brothers! Just when I was going to start pivoting my YT channel to talk more about PC hardware and software, the industry continues to worsen for DIY buyers, buyers in general. Matter of fact, it seems more and more of the YT tech crowd are moving towards creation tools like 3D printers, desktop CNC machines and etc (and these have their own incoming perils). I guess it is a good thing that I was a tech hoarder and have kept a lot of mobos. Right now I am looking to pick up a 10850K/10900K and a 10980XE for some overclocking fun. I still have my X299 Dark (and X570) that I want to bring out of retirement. For the 10900K, I have several z590 mobos in my inventory that I forgot I had. LOL, I am now happy I picked up the 9070XT Red Devil and 5070 TI Prime when I did. Gosh, things are bad. I wish I picked up a 5090 when it was around 2300 last Sept. Anyway brothers, I'll update you all when I've secured some of these CPUs

Well said. Thank you for helping build this place for us.

I've often said, and ended posts here, with being thankful to even be in the position to have the ability to purchase and play with some of these toys and high tech items. I have a nice pile of hardware amassed. Only thing I'm on the lookout for atm is a decently priced set of the G.Skill 6000 CL26 1.40 sticks. I could use a few more NVME drives too but overall I'm good. After the shutdown and demise of NBR, @Reciever and @Hiew picking up the reins and running with it with NBT really let us carve out our corner again and just let it flow. I always like it when a long time member from yore discovers NBT and pokes their head in to say hi! And yeah, the WVPII is definitely a blessing on my 5090 which some say could rise to $10k in the new year as supply dries up. I have yet to have my cable deviate or yell at me yet (I'm running the MSI yellow cable included with the MEG 1600T), but I've got it locked down. 🙂

F***ing ay, been playing electric guitar for xx years, parts of this is (again scaringly) from another dimension or planet. Maybe it is, planet AI :O) & no doubt, they are feeding LSD to the AI.

Microcenter officially no longer carries the 5090 as every card with no remaining stock still lingering is now marked as, "No Longer carried." Only card left in stock anywhere for 5090 in Microcenters is the Asus $11k+ after tax bundle and only two of my five localish (~45-100mi away) have 1 in stock each. Why are they still there? Most likely because third party sellers have other models for sale for $4k cheaper.....I'm sure they will eventually move..... Just about every model of 5080 in stock but cheapest price is the $1699 (on sale for $1669) GB WF SFF 5080. Same for the 5070ti but the cheapest model is the Ventus for $1199 on sale for $1149... Newegg is completely wiped out of 5090s as is Amazon and Best Buy. All we have are third party sellers with the lowest price being ~$7k for a Windforce 5090. Only 7 models of 5080s in stock on Newegg with the cheapest being the PNY for $1699.99. Cheapest 5070ti is the $1179 Eagle.... Ugh -------------- I received an email from BHPhoto today informing me the Gigabyte 9070xt Gaming is discontinued. I forgot I had it on my "inform me when in stock," from eons ago. We'll see where that goes.... Cheapest 9070xt is the $800 Reaper and prices are rumored to be going up again.... Certain cards can't be found stateside (GB Aorus Elite and PowerColor 9070xt Red Devil are two examples) as most likely AIBs are going to start consolidating which cards to carry based on profitability. Smart move is to offer lower tier cards at inflated prices to weather the price storm rather than have more expensive models get too close to 5070ti pricing and potentially rot in this PC gaming market downturn, but again, we will see.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I said it before and I'll say it again... 270k is an absolute banger and price:performance it is a monster. Toss in Microcenter bundle deals and it gets crazy.... ----------------------------------------------------------- No thanks. Picked up my on hold at Best Buy H9 Flow 2025 Edition yesterday for $109.99 that checks all my boxes especially with my army of P14 Arctic 140mm fans. I think I have at least 12 of them strewn about for my build out..... I had $90 in rewards sitting in my account from when our TV decided to fail earlier this year and we needed a new one so final price was $21.38 He was mostly disappointed in the assembly frustration and MSI trying to be "fancy" and causing access issues and usability. Beautiful to look at but pricey, frustrating to build in and hard to access features once built. I can't imagine dropping $800 on a case. Then again I never imagined dropping $2k on a GPU so who knows in the future?! 🤑

No end yet :O) w8 & old Dell Latitude doing fine, zero problems. Browsing, light photo editing, streaming, bt music. Browsing, some website errors here and there but almost ok using Firefox Extended Support, still getting updates. Not bothered by security concerns, w8 surely of minimal interest as a target, in view of the 4 people still using it. Nice behaviour (!) from MS, Defender support continues.

I have a ring for Jensen to kiss. It's called a sphincter.

Yes, I just tested with my water cooled 5080 and confirmed it works 100%. This needs to be on the chiller to avoid overheating, but even with the insane thermals without the chiller and thermal throttling it came within striking distance of my Speedway high score.

SO it has all of the features of mvolt+ extreme plus the vBIOS features? Nice. Will have to check it out. mvolt+ extreme has been awesome because I have been able to run both of my 5080's with a 1000W power limit, and both GPUs use it all. It's crazy how badly the Green Goblin has gimped the performance of 5080. (Probably to make the gap between 5080 and 5090 as large as possible.)

https://github.com/b00nz/mVolt/releases This new version of mVolt is insane! It basically has vBIOS editing! No more need to disable secure boot or mess with drivers. You load your vBIOS file, set the limits you want, and hit restart driver and boom unlocked vBIOS power limits/current/memory offsets with any vBIOS file. It also survives reboot and then you can use MSI Afterburner for overlay, etc.

@Eban thank you for pointing that out. I have checked and is not bloated, it is fine. There is a shadow of the white wire that it is covering it, makes it look oddly. Almost 2 weeks and the AC ADAPTER is still working well after the repair.

It will be interesting to play with. It was $650, which was more than offset by what I sold the last 270K and 8400 Kit for with money left over. Now I am considering whether to keep or sell my spare G.SKILL 8400 kit. It's collecting dust, but there is an element of apprehension about selling my only emergency backup DDR5 kit. I may never use it, but if I needed it replacing it would be difficult. Hard to source and super stupid expensive. I agree. I love doing that as well. It brings them a lot of joy and what I can give them is always a lot more special than whatever cheap crap box they would buy off the shelf. It was the below combo. Certainly not going to do anything remarkable, but for her low-cost gaming rig it is more than adequate. It was a stubstantial upgrade in CPU and memory performance and plays nice with her 1080 Strix GPU. The kind of games she plays there is no reason for anything more powerful. She is mostly into indie titles and stuff like Fortnite and PUBG. Windoze 11 just wasn't playing nice with the old X79 setup. But, it still works flawlessly on Linux. The 5500F Cinebench score is several thousand points higher than what the E5-1680 V2 (2013) and DDR3-2400 was capable of with its max functional overclock. Just using the included Wraith Stealth cooler on the 5500F, Cinebench temps were only about 79-80°C. I've overclocked it a bit for her (4.6GHz all core) to keep things running crisper. SKU Description QTY Price Per Total Price 348201 G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 CL16 Dual Channel Desk... 1 $96.78 $96.78 900308 Gigabyte B550M DS3H AC R2 AMD AM4 microATX Motherboard 1 $73.23 $73.23 098681 AMD Ryzen 5 5500F Vermeer AM4 3.0GHz 6-Core Boxed Processor - Wraith Stealt... 1 $59.98 $59.98 Subtotal: $229.99 Tax: $20.93 Total: $250.92 I am glad I didn't throw away the cheap old test bench. I almost did because I did not have any use for it anymore, or so I thought.

Nvidia Driver overhead issues continue to persist even when tested down to the 5060/5070/9060xt level.... If I am putting together a budget system with a lower tier CPU or especially shooting for DDR4, I would probably go Radeon anyhow..... ------------------------------------------------ Which combo and final boss form did you set up for your grand daughter? One of my great joys is building rigs for loved family members. I saw you picked up that SP99 over on the forums, congrats! @Mr. Fox! Really looking forward to seeing a nice comparison across your collection (some now departed) of 270k chips you've acquired and tested. How much did it set ya back? ---------------------------------------------------------------- On FB "WoW Forever basically uses a modified version of the old engine, so it will run on a tincan" Also WoW Forever pushing my 5090 to 99% utilization questing in my Druid at 4k ultra details frame locked to 175fps..... (Pure stock on GPU) I have to run the newest Nvidia drivers as they address quite a few issues / optimizations with WoW Forever...

The picture might be the only problem...but. This cap looks like its bloaty headed...is it?

CPU-Z fixed their messed up v3 validation garbage. https://valid.cpuid.com/s3apu5dq Glad I complained. Using XOC mode helped and they changed the drive recognition error in CPU-Z from WARN to INFO. https://community.hwbot.org/topic/247206-sneak-peek-at-cpu-z-300-validator-v3/page/3/#findComment-721287 Their detection on other things is still broken. Both of these are disabled on my systems. Code Integrity:Enabled| Fast Startup:Enabled

Scummy greedy bastards.... The phrase you used, "scummy greedy bastards," is a highly derogatory insult used to describe people or organizations perceived as thoroughly dishonest, intensely selfish, and corrupt. Here is the breakdown of what each word means in this context: Scummy: Low-class, worthless, or morally corrupt. It compares someone to "scum" (the dirty layer of waste that forms on top of stagnant water). Greedy: Having an excessive, selfish desire for wealth, power, or food far beyond what is needed. Bastards: A harsh slang term used to describe unpleasant, despicable, or highly disliked people.

Happy anniversary @Mr. Fox! 40 years is an amazing achievement! Hopefully we'll be tossing out congrats for your 50th! Maybe via a neural link...... 😁 Decent besides that AI voice over (Irony!)... So much pressure on Nvidia in line with OpenAI. They now have competitors coming for them from all sides with China and Google in housing their own chip designs now and companies, like Apple, opting to train on Google chips instead of Nvidia hardware for their AI along with others. OpenAI has lost almost 50% of its market share in 4 years as competition heats up. As for Nvidia.... Their strong handed tactics really reek of Intel back in the day with smaller companies. The forced outlay (channel stuffing) has to hit a logical wall and I feel like Nvidia is burning the candle at both ends. AMD is furiously coming on strong too along with Intel and Apple integrating neural processing in their CPUs. Now we have the DOJ investigating Nvidia's "no acquisition" acquisitions Either Nvidia is humbled by a thousand cuts and/or we will end up with some ASIC approaches to LLM and inference that will render the need for Nvidia GPUs null and void aka the cryptoboom. For us lowly end users, the key is finding the optimal moment to dump our 5080s and 5090s for max valuation if that is in play. The scariest part is Nvidia guaranteeing inventory valuation for lending and selling GPUs. That could mean they need to extend the life, and value, of the GB20X chips. It adds another reason to not rush the 6000 series to market anytime soon to combat any potential devaluation. Imagine being a company neck deep in Blackwell hardware sitting in the warehouse from channel stuffing waiting to be deployed when the grid allows it and now here comes the 6000 series.... Just don't confuse the bubble popping with AI going away. AI is here to stay and so many viable uses in real world scenarios; it is the future.

DDR5-9000 The Vengeance CUDIMM is non-RGB Chrome and fits the aesthetic of the black and chrome Unify-X nicely... until I strip them and put them on water.

Pink Floyd - Learning to Fly My Dad was a rock'n'roll head...Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Kiss, Jimmy Hendrix etc....I seemed to gravitate toward Pink Floyd. Learning to fly was the very first song of theirs I ever heard and I always loved it. I never liked getting stoned, alcohol was my drug of choice but even without it I could listen to this for hours. "Just an earthbound misfit, I"

Holy crap.. So that’s why the price shot up. I guess word got out about EOL. So maybe xx90 is gone forever and xx80 will be king again. I suppose it doesn’t hurt for 5090 owners right now. And maybe in the next gen, we will have a viable xx80 or xx80Ti that’s actually fast! This may be a good thing in a few years. AI has gotten ridiculous. And they are gobbling the 5090, so maybe they’ll be uninterested in 5080 or 6080 or 7080. Makes sense though, they want to sell more fresh releases RTX Pro 5500’s for MORE MONEY! And they need those 5090 cores! 💀

Personally, I think prices are going to go higher. 5090s will now dry up everywhere and be hoarded for personal use or those who reach a, "I can't say no," offer will sell theirs off for what will most likely be AI deployment either domestic or abroad. Locally, there are a few buyers openly offering $5500 cash for any and all 5090s. They will come to you, test your card, hand you a fat stack and carry on. When they say, "Any brand, as long as it is working we pay $5500," you have a pretty good idea of where those cards are going.... Pricing will be fractionally in sync with the RTX 5500 and as eventually GB202 5090 dies are limited, even the RTX 5500 will go up in price along with the 5090s still out there. Basically, as long as purchasing and converting a 5090 into an AI card makes financial sense / profitable, pricing will continue to trend upward. Luckily, I have this sub $1k 5080 and 2x 9070xt (one being in the wife's system) cards so if the right offer suddenly appeared, I can't see myself turning down $7k but not till next year at the earliest and probably summertime at that. You also have to think that this EOL is fresh and brand new and whatever stock is out there is going to evaporate quickly and then the second hand market turns into a resource strapped buy/sell with prices trending up. Like I said above, I'm still holding onto mine for a few reasons and one of them being I expect prices to trend up a bit more before leveling off in relation to the RTX 5500 pricing. I'm still playing on the 9850X3D + 5080 config atm as I've been too busy/lazy to break down the current test setups and start the transition to final boss form. The performance hit is real in WoW. I'm not used to seeing full utilization and sitting under 100fps quite often but for the right $$$ I could live with it but it has to be a price point that is high enough to override going years with a significant and noticeable performance drop. $6k which would be a $4k profit won't make or break me in any which way, shape or form and I don't need the money, so is it worth the loss of superior performance for the next year+? I still get aggravated when buyers get salty over pricing. I've come to realize they fully understand current market conditions. They are just hoping to sob story / brow beat you into giving them yesteryear level pricing....

I love my 5090 but if I were in your shoes I would do it. Maybe see if you can chisel another $200-$300 out of the deal, given how insane 5090 prices are. Here's why: The 5090 has been declared to have an immature EOL due to the immeasurable dishonestly of the ghouls at NVIDIA. If something happens to your 5090 the OEM will likely do something crazy bad underhanded and dishonest rather than repairing it, paying you curent fair market replacement value, or replacing it at no cost. Up to and including finding a lameass reason to deny warranty. That is how almost all of them roll now with EVGA no longer keeping the industry honest. The PC part OEMs have never been so dishonest and crooked as they are now. Buy two 5080s and pocket at least $2,000 difference. A 5080 will never come close to 5090, but if we are honest about what we "need" it doesn't need to. Even a 5070 Ti or 9070 XT will do in a pinch. 5080 is more than enough for gaming. 5090 is the weapon of mass destruction we all love and want, but given the chances of a sketchy future get out while you still can and make a buttload of money off the sale. Don't consider it scalping because with the 5090 now being EOL it is going to be a collector's item only for idiots with more money than common sense. Anyone that gives push-back on the price being too high should be wished good luck finding a functional 5090 priced anywhere near the original intended retail price before AI made the world stupid, and then remind them that it is now officially a collector's novelty item with no ceiling on what a moron will pay for it. No different than a vintage muscle car that now sells for 20 to 100 times what it orginally sold for new. It's worth as much as an idiot that can't live without it is willing to pay. Use of common sense, intelligence and value are no longer playable cards for 5090 shoppers. If is seems kind of like I am hoarding hardware now, it is because I am. Motherboards and CPUs will probably end up being as poor a value proposition as RAM, GPUs and storage have become. I am buying things I don't need cheap now so I can sell them later for stupid prices. If prices fall, I bought the stuff cheap and will have spare parts available for personal use.

Yes I believe it has all Extreme features. But the new "Extend limits using BIOS override" lets you essentially take any 5090 vBIOS and modify it's limits. Essentially letting you XOC any vBIOS file. It then simply does a driver restart to apply those new limits and they stick even after reboot, so set it and forget it. I guess it was some backdoor Nvidia put in to allow for OEMs to test hardware without needing to flash? AI has lead to insane advancements lately. Hard to keep up with all the changes. On a side note, I have offers to buy my 5090 D HOF XOC for $6000 locally. I am considering it, but then I'd be left without a 5090 and only a 5070 Ti and 5070 Prime on hand.