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Hey everyone! Still rocking the same system. My 5090 has been strong! Hard to think its already been 8 months since I got it. 6 months of that has been shunted for 1200w. It has been getting rung out hard though. I essentially lost interest in talking about this hobby and just been using it for work/gaming daily. 😆Something has pulled me back in to talking about the hobby though. I suppose I needed a break from the daily PC discussion lol. On another note, tonight I flashed my Acer Predator 4090 18" laptop to some random unverified Asus 4090 Laptop bios from techpowerup, and this thing picked up tons more performance. I am able to pull 175w steady in games, I could never do that before, usually 150-160w before. So, I checked my bios, and apparently my bios was the 1215Mhz clock/ 1590 Boost. And the bios I flashed to now is a 1590 clock/ 2040 boost. My GPUz said mine was a 175W bios, so thats why I never tried this before. So, I flashed out of curiosity. And it's just blowing the doors off of the prior bios that was on this Acer Predator. I am not really sure why. But I can run another +250Mhz on the core. It is really odd. Anyways, hello everyone!

Regarding 5090, still have some telegram bots reporting new drops and prices, yesterday was a founders 5090 drop from nvidia directly on their website for 2099 Euro. Got the notification and went on the site. Got one in the shopping cart but after like 5 minutes of thinking if I need it, I decided to close the website. Every game I play like battlefield 6 or stalker 2 works perfectly on the 4090. So it just a waste of money for me. Also went to the website like almost 40 min later and they were still available, tried to put one again in the cart and it went through, I was against one click to order it and closed again. So it looks like the market is saturated a little. Also got this baby to play with. Nice looking card😃. An oldie but still packing a punch with those 32GB HBM2 memory for larger AI models. Will try some qwen 2.5 and Llama bigger ones on it

Sold my Z890 Apex and 285K to @win32asmguy Paid for and shipped to them this afternoon.

A little preview of what I'm building next Sage 621e

Micro Center also has the Z890 Apex for ~$294. The Unify would be nice but its a lot of trouble to change around boards unless there is a good benefit to it. The Z890 Apex + 285K I bought from Talon was finally delivered today. Hopefully can test out this evening!

The new Threadripper CPU’s are so awesome, been doing some reading on those lately. They have improved IPC so much so, that I do not think it’d be even worth picking up a prior gen Threadripper 7960/7970/7980. This is how the new chips stack up in Cinebench. TR 9960X CB R23: 59,000 stock TR 9970X CB R23: 77,000 stock TR 9980X CB R23: 113,000 stock (People with custom loops are overclocking 9980X 64/128 chips to 5.5Ghz on all cores which is just pure insane to imagine how crazy that is and how over the top beastly) Apparently the 9970X is the sweet spot. Now here’s where it gets interesting. These chips can run fast DDR5. People were already pushing DDR5 6200-7000 with the older 7960x/7970x/7980x. The new Threadripper 9000’s run DDR5 6400 natively and apparently the IMC is worlds better. And they can easily handle DDR5 7200 right out of the box. Tuning will probably net you closer DDR5 8000 or more. What a shame DDR5 prices have gone hay wire. Anyways, AMD Threadripper is sick.

So I ended up snagging a pair of V-Color 9600 2x24GB DDR5 off of eBay new from a seller I've dealt with before In today's market conditions, couldn't beat the price of $489.99 plus I had two coupons for eBay (basically, "you haven't shopped us in a long time!" coupons) for $15 off and $10 off respectively. I was able to use both of them knocking it down to $464.99 for a total of $495.80 shipped and with ebay rewards, that knocks another $15 off of it making it $480.92 to my door. Am I doing backflips? No, but much better than those G.Skill sticks that would have been $650.40 to my door.....still..... This is *exactly* why I try to avoid new platforms because once I start it gets ugly real fast. 🤣 Remember 11th gen? I was just going to pick up a 11700k and the cheapest Z590 board and use my dirt cheap DDR4 sticks to "give it a whirl." Within 4 months, it is several 11900k's binned, Asus Z590 board and EVGA Z590 along with multiple kits of DDR4.... I'd like to say I won't end up binning some 285k/290k chips, but that would be most likely a big ole fib....🤣

So I was going to pick up the open box 5080, but it was gone when I refreshed the page. So I decided on the 9070XT Red Devil from Amazon at $650...but its delivery window is Dec 21 to Jan 23rd (lol). I would have preferred a 5090, but I don't want to spend that kind of money right now. My mindset in regards to the 5070 TI and 5080 is simple, I know a refresh is coming (one way or another) and I don't want to buy a card that is going to be supplanted for the same price or a bit higher within a year of ownership. I know with the 9070xt, replacements aren't coming out until 2027 and when they do, they are going to be a new generation. I also picked up a 9950X3D from Newegg, but I don't know if I am going to keep the order. I have a 7600X and it should be adequate for video editing. Although, for the first time ever, I am going with a power usage approach versus max performance...because where I live, I have subsidize others through our power bill. The 9950X3D ECO mode does interest me. Anyway random rant post over. Hahaha.

@jaybee83 It's a gv100. It's a loaner from a friend so I will just use it for some experiments with LLMs for a while 😀. don't want to broke it as it's still going for good money on ebay.🫣

I haven't uploaded a video in a long time. Now that I finally found stable settings I wanted to save a permanent record for myself and help anyone else that feels like they are spinning their wheels. Moving from Intel to AMD overclocking is more difficult than moving from Windoze to Linux. Maybe (just maybe) there is something in here that would be useful to Brothers @jaybee83 or @Raiderman

Process Lasso is definitely the way to go if you have a dual CCD processor with 3D V-Cache. No need for Micro$lop XBOX feces bloatware and the extra chipset driver crap. Just select the EXE and choose the affinity and BOOM, every time you launch that game it uses the CCD with the cache. When you close the game it is back to using all cores and threads. Easy, peasy... no hokey pokey nonsense with flakey rubbish from the Redmond Reprobates.

Very nice for your Astral LC card! Hilarious that magically Asus can release the XOC vBIOS after the Matrix made their entire 5090 line (except white Astral) complete garbage overnight lol. Good to see them realize most will never flash this vBIOS and it's only the very enthusiast community so risk is tiny.

What a coincidence with the leak of the Astral 5090 XOC. Within a week after the Matrix bios got released for everyone, and that almost none of the owners of Asus cards could use. Hmm, I don't believe in Santa bro @Mr. Fox. I'm too old for that. What else could it be? A$us try avoid further bad publicity for the brands overpriced GPU's=? Hmmm. I'm sure I know the answer. Same with you😎 https://www.overclock.net/posts/29533017/ Edit. Jup, Asus had to do something.... Matrix BIOS can even be flashed to "HP OEM" lmao. Binning hundreds of Astrals to find one that clocks the highest in Valley, then ASUS ruins it. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29533316/

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A few of you might know I was put on unpaid furlough on Friday, along with about 8 or 10 other people where I worked, including my daughter and the company owner's nephew that has worked there for 15 years. I had my second job interview for an opportunity that looks really promising and I expect to be an even better job than what I had (which was great in every respect until Friday). I have never been unemployed before, but I am hoping to get an offer on this next week. So, please keep me in your thoughts and prayers. I hope all of you in the US celebrate a great Thanksgiving with your loved ones. We all have so very much to be thankful for, even when there are days that it doesn't seem like it.

That Matrix GPU is only good so others can use the vBIOS. The price is extremely stupid and I think it looks stupid, too. 🤣 I have gone pee in my own backyard before. When you have a family of 7 and 3 bathrooms, there are times when you just can't hold it any longer. Now that we are down to 2 people at home (empty nesters) and 2 bathrooms I have not found myself needing to do that for a long time.

I'm in the same boat, it may be covered by warranty but, it's still an OC profile. A warranty and what it covers doesn't change what is listed on Intel ARC. Just finished brushing, rinsing, air drying (pc duster) x2 my Pa120se (AM4), NH-D15 (10850k) and Red Devil 7900 XTX. The cost of running open air and a/c unit, dust lol. I did buy another open air frame, should be here in the afternoon. Probably going to have to switch to one of those multi-tier wire frame shelves. Running out of space on my old' wood chest. Started outfitting the server box with drives and SDD's. Also replaced the E5-2650's with E5-2697A's in my last dell tower. I really underestimated the homework for older GPU's and modding vbios, casually going about it for a bit each night before I go to sleep. The time consuming part is going to be backing up all the vbios but maybe I can just do that as I go, we'll see.

Hey friends just a quick note. I used Microsoft Copilot to help with some more undervolting profiles. And it actually works very well and gives good numbers very quickly, it makes it a little faster too than testing each profile. So far this method works with my GPU. I told MS Copilot that my 5090 can run Furmark 4K at 3,082Mhz@940mv and it can run the same test at 3,322Mhz@1075mv. So then I can quickly ask it “what frequency” it can run at every other voltage point in between. It told me 3190@995mv, which also works perfectly fine. I type it in, and it runs it completely stable lol. It helps to know the top and low with your GPU of course. And you must be keying in 100% stable high/low profiles. You might have a profile that seems stable, but crashes in games after 3 or 4 hours.

The way things seem to be heading for us with absurd RAM and GPU prices, 1080p low settings might become the new mainstream because it would cost $10K to build a PC with respectable specs. The badasses will be rocking 8GB DDR5 6000 C38 (2x4GB) with Samsung or Micron ICs and a 5060 for $3500.

It’s because he’s using the Intel 200S Boost profile which is official and warranties for 8000MTs. AMD has no such official warrantied profile. While I do agree it’s not fair, it’s a fair call in that one offers that profile fully covered by warranty and one does not. Also he’s not Intel biased IMO. His channel just focuses on more workstation and creator tasks and not shilling 1080p low gaming benchmarks as if it’s the only task that matters. Those Intel excel at given they aren’t selling 8 cores as mainstream like AMD has been for years now. 8 core is the Intel quad core of years past. At one time those other outlets shit on 1080p gaming, called 1440p mainstream in 2017 when Ryzen arrived and focused heavily on creator and workstation tasks in reviews. Today it’s all about low settings 1080p gaming for them.

Isn't it infuriating when the bias is clear in these videos for CPU comparisons? Either run default vs default EXPO vs XMP based on actual AMD/Intel speeds or take the time to properly test and OC each platform with similar levels of overclocking. I'm fine either way, but be consistent. The problem is 99% of viewers won't go over the fine print or even care. They run right to the results and move along. One reason I still watch FrameChasers and especially BlackBirdTech is they push max tuning on each so you can actually see the end product if both are OC'd within reason to gather some data for your own analysis.

With the most recent updates, I did finally switch over to 8000 on AM5 for my main rig. I plan on dialing in both the TG 8200 and KB 8400 sticks and seeing which pair reigns supreme at 8000. I am thinking so far with the TG on AM5 and KB on the 265k atm the KB sticks are going to be the best at 8000 but I won't know till I flip flop them. BBT did a nice comparison a bit ago about which was better (8000 vs 6000 vs 6400) and while it isn't mind boggling in its victory, 8000 now comes out ahead on AM5: ------------------------------------------------------------- Speaking of pushing speeds, Amazon has the MSI Z890 Unify brand new for $399.99. While BIOS updates have probably helped many of the upper tier boards since being tested (IE Taichi, Elite, Maximus), HUB did find the Unify had no problems running and passing 8800 while the Z890 Strix-A failed. E and F did pass though. Unify is a 2 dimmer too. I have till Jan 31st to return the Strix. When my new 9200 sticks arrive, I'll be putting the Strix to task asap. Sheer amount of boards that couldn't pass 8800 is pretty massive..... --------------------------------------------------------- This. Test hardware yourself. I call it "the itch" and 99.99% of the time, I end up scratching it then comparing my results against various 'tubers and other results to quantify and qualify my findings (and to dismiss many influencers)

Only if they are bare copper. It is very beneficial with bare copper. It is pointless and not necessary with nickel plating. I would recommend avoiding bare copper for anything, but especially liquid metal application. It's not harmful to copper, but the absorption is just an added hassle that you avoid with nickel. Even when you are not using liquid metal the bare copper starts looking pretty nasty with normal use and keeping it looking sharp is a real pain in the butt. It looks nice when it is new, but looks horrible when it begins to tarnish.

If things don't work out, let me know. I have so much tech that I don't use, I might have a fire sale one of these days. I am keeping most of my EVGA motherboards - like X299 and X570 Dark motherboards. I still have my 6950X and ASUS ROG RAMPAGE V EDITION 10 motherboard sitting somewhere around here. I wonder if I can ever find a cheap 10980XE processor.....

it's meant for XOC and the addition of a second chipset creates obstacles that would hinder XOC.......

TechSource picked up a Matrix 5090 and it can't memory OC past +275 for some reason while his Astral hits +650 no problem but I am wondering why neither of them can go full tilt memory OC in AB? (Timestamped at memory OC fail point). Couldn't offset at stock as much as the Astral, but that makes sense considering native boost and still landed ~60mhz higher in Heaven bench run and scored higher overall. OC wise it was better at stock voltage, but quite frankly neither one of these cards is worth the scratch IMHO. I loved my Astral for many reasons, but ($3359.99) ~$3400 after tax and BB rewards just didn't sit right. To pick up an open box Vanguard 3 months later for ($1971) ~$2100 when all was said and done after tax with MC discounts and be a much better sample really has altered my expectations going forward with the 6090 whenever it drops. I'll patiently wait and/or take a 6090 for a 60 day spin in the interim during the return window via BB if required like this last cycle ended up being for myself. We all know those 6090s (especially if AI is still here) are going to be min $2299.99 if not higher. I know from personal experience and talking to others, being over qualified is a red flag because most companies assume the job you're willing to take is most likely a stepping stone and as soon as you're afforded, you will move to a better paying position reflective of your skill set / resume. Not that everyone isn't always looking to advance their careers, but those who are over qualified tend to do it more often. The market also continues to tread downward and I expect more layoffs and contraction over the next few years. @tps3443 in current market conditions, depending on what you actually do and its overall market viability/demand, holding tight is the best option atm especially with a young family and a new house but always keep your ear to the ground too.....quietly. I can name several friends and family that were a little vocal/forward facing about looking for another job and their current employer, ah, expedited their job search in the worse way by letting them go.

No more stickers! Looks Much better. I don’t know why I have always left those on laptops before.

Physx support is suddenly back to RTX50 series GPU’s. Very odd seeing this. Only thing I can think, is maybe Jensen him self sat down to play Metro Exodus EE, and was like “WTF Where’s the Phys-X support for my RTX PRO 6000?” And he makes a phone call, and they send him a new driver enabling Phys-X 32bit on Blackwell GPU’s. And he goes right back to playing his game. 😂 I seriously can’t see them enabling this older tech for any other reason. 🤷‍♂️ https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpu-drivers/nvidia-reinstates-32-bit-physx-support-for-rtx-50-series-as-part-of-its-latest-game-ready-driver-rollout-9-titles-included-in-initial-release

Microcenter 9070xt return story and some nice information on GPU checking and return procedures: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So all is well that ends well. Made the trip back up to MC St Davids to return that 9070xt and found out a few things. I had asked how a defective / non working card had slipped out for sale and how two more open box Challengers showed up for sale the next day. The rockin' tech assist associate let me know exactly how everything works. The one I bought had been shipped to their main return hub in Ohio from another store as a return then redistributed to the St David's store which means they do send out refurbs/returns that are supposed to work and seed them to stores to resell. You can tell if it is a main hub open box/refurb item (any item) with the green sticker on the side along with a marking. Sales associate pointed it out to me. If the card is returned as defective/not working and verified as such, the card gets marked down as defective and sent to ohio. Ohio then contacts the main companies for replacements/repairs. If they get back a new card in return, it goes back in new stock. If they get a refurb, it goes in as a refurb. Either way, they are then seeded back out to the various MC branches. What this means is you will never return an open box item that won't eventually be sent back to Ohio main returns and then reseeded to various MC stores. As such, there is near zero chance for you to return an item in the hopes of repurchasing it as an open box status. The problem with mine is it wasn't marked "defective" when returned (original new buyer probably just thought it was incompatible) but even then the main hub is supposed to check all cards for working status before shipping out open box / refurbs. Probably Amazon Renewed/warehouse magic where it is assumed it is working and just a return and they didn't check it at all. The receiving MC does not check the working status of open box / refurb items received since they are supposed to have been checked by Ohio main. On the other hand, the original store that took the return was SUPPOSED to check it before sending it to Ohio either way and they failed to do that. St. Davids immediately checked it even when I said, "it is dead. Get ready to see your VGA diagnostic light fire up white" A few seconds later after plugging it in I heard the tech chuckle and go, "yup, there's the VGA fail light in all its glory." 🤣 Refund immediately issued. It wasn't St David's fault but the original store who took the return and failed to plug it in and check it and Ohio mains for not checking it too. I did ask if for open box purchases can the customer request a quick check to make sure it at least posts and he said sure. I will keep that in mind next time. Thanks for attending my Ted Talk.....

A coworker of mine was chatting with me while we were frantically working onboarding a new client. The result of said conversation is that I now have a GTX 1080Ti from EVGA. As such, my second morpheus heatsink will now have a home. I might do a as is test, then cleaned up test, then morpheus. Like a complete idiot I also damaged the Asus Sage 621e motherboard when trying to do a mock fitting. I didnt realize that the motherboard stand-off's were preinstalled by the manufacturer. Shows how long I've gone without a case lol. I cant seem to find anyone willing to repair so I might go another route. Oh and does anyone have any spare 13th Gen CPU's collecting dust? Coworker bought a 14th gen used and turns out its defective. Sorry I havent been online for a spell, onboarding clients requires 12-14 hour days evidently

Don't get too excited, I sorta am just dipping my toes in half-assed on it lol. I went sort of a hybrid AIO setup based on someone's recommendation over at overclock.net. It allows for a real full block, and all parts are real DIY watercooling parts, but the pump/reservoir are contained in a combo deal on the radiator. Again, all reusable parts, at least the block, fittings, radiator, etc are reusable. Also you can add additional rads with pumps to expand the setup. I really just wanted something a bit easier to deal with, and will decide to go further if needed. https://www.ebay.com/itm/196057615070?var=495915734111 I went with this 360mm setup. I might add in an additional 120mm setup on the rear of the case to add more pressure through the system and cooling capacity eventually. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002QWBGQ2?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title -- Went with this fluid, again recommended. I am still trying to figure out how to setup a drain, and which quick disconnects I need/want to make it even easier to move parts around in the system. I assume I need a drain planned into the setup.

Nice to see you are watercooling. That’s an expensive hobby on its own, at least the initial investment is. What cooling components are you gonna be using? What are you putting this in? Yeah that sucks about DDR5. I have been ignoring this hobby completely. Other than using my components. I am not all that up to date on the latest. I’m telling you a 5090Ti X2 could have dropped, and I would have had no idea. Looks like Intel released some of their new server chips though. They have these new fabrication Xeon 6 chips they have a X3D like cache as well. You can also pick from two product stacks this time around: P core only version, or E core only version in a server/workstation socket 4710. It looks to me like they are not giving up yet, and are taking their time before releasing the new mainstream products. https://www.provantage.com/intel-pk8072006347700~7ITEP9KR.htm

Dang, DDR4 actually is overpriced nowadays. I was able to get my 16x16GB of G.Skill 3200c14 Bdie for around $500 back when I built the Dominus Extreme rig last year. Running 192GB or 12x16gb sticks at 3800 c14-14-14-34 with 1.560v, I am running 2T for daily which is stable. But oddly enough it can bench/game with all of this ram at 1T. Blistering fast though. And the latency is killer good at around 55ns. I love my DDR4. 💯 I think the main downside is people do not realize how much power high capacity DDR4 uses when at this voltage. Running something like TM5 pulls like 140+ watts for the memory alone. I found the Clevo 4090 mobile bios on techpowerup VGA data base. And I just flashed it. My brightness controls work in SDR and HDR again now!

Well....you live by the open box gamble sword and die by the open box gamble sword and I finally crapped out for the first time in quite a while.... Amazon Asus Z890 Strix-A MB which was listed as "used, acceptable" was basically brand new and still had the original 503 launch BIOS on it but I did see a few thermal smudges, so I know somewhere, somehow someone tried to use it and probably got frustrated and sent it back where it sat on a shelf most likely for the last year+ Microcenter open box 265k is an SP77 and runs crazy cool even benching on an air cooler on top of the Asus box for now using an ID-Cooling Frozn A410 before it ends up in final boss form. Bonus? It qualified for the Intel game giveaway which Microcenter attached to the receipt. I'll spend the next week tuning it up and then give it a whirl with what will initially most likely be that Nitro+ at this point because..... Microcenter Asrock Challenger 9070xt was DOA right out of the box. Wouldn't boot on my Aorus B650i Ultra but it has no diagnostic lights so I used that as a reason to quickly assemble the 265k and popped the sticks out and got it up and running and tried it in there and the VGA bad light lit right up. As a final check, I popped it into the wife's system which has been running a 9070xt already no problems a few minutes ago and yep, VGA led light lit right up too. You would think they would check all their open box items before letting them go out the door. Lord knows they check 5090s but I guess 9070xt's don't get the same treatment. MC is over an hour away gas + $6 bridge toll and now I get to make that wonderful trip back to return it. They sent me a survey and you know I ripped them apart for several reasons on the survey they failed to pass. We were in there for well over an hour. Not one person asked us if we needed help but plenty were standing around. 18 min checkout turned into almost an hour and for some reason they took my license in the back and I don't know why..... That didn't happen before. Before the testing with TG contact frame installed: Wife's system giving me the final third strike "You suck Bro! Back to MC you go!" VGA diagnostic fail on the Challenger 9070xt. 😞 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12900k was a beast. 14900ks in WoW end game form (59/45/50) on the wife's system is beastly too but even it can't handle the load on Dorongal when heavily populated and fps dip down and utilization drops quick even on her 9070xt at 1440p ultra settings rt high. I'll have to watch her raid next time to see how it's performing comparatively with all the new driver and WoW updates that have drastically increased 9070xt performance in WoW from launch where it didn't work at all meaningfully to working very well to now routinely capping out her fps even in Tazevesh 1440p Ultra/RT 165hz display. Ouch, I'm kicking myself for not picking up a few more of those..... memory wise even your 12900ks probably has more in the tank as my launch 12900k towards the end when tested on some 8000 sticks on an Asrock Z790i Lightning gave up the ghost at 7200. To really get Ultra to shine, you're probably going to need much faster memory at least 8000 but with current pricing? Ugh... How are the temps on your laptops when gaming at those settings? What specs? Some might be Acer is stupidly conservative with their hardware and BIOSes. This has been true for years now. They lock things down well under spec and really limit you in BIOS settings too. It's annoying. Dell and Asus give you a little bit more control and MSI is next followed by Prema enabled laptops. Glad to see you back in the forums bro! Hopefully the break was nice but hardware wise we're in that lull period atm.... I can understand that logic wanting the top dog of a current generation. There's always that irrational fear of Nvidia introducing a 5090ti if the market had a sudden downturn but they have no competition at the top so that most likely will not happen. I think you will be pleased with the 9070xt. Red Devil is one of the top rated models for 9070xt's along with the Nitro+ and Taichi but uses traditional pcie connectors so that's a plus. I know on my wife's system performance at 1440p is excellent for WoW running full tilt and she'll be using that card for years to come (or at least towards the end of its 3yr warranty then maybe move on). I was going to either pick up a 9950X3D or an Epyc like @Mr. Fox, but decided the experimental Ultra adventures first. Luckily, CPU prices are stagnant and within the holiday window you always have the option of returning the 9950X3D if it isn't a good fit. Yeah, no way they're squeezing in that 600w+ fire breather in a laptop! Things are much closer on the lower end but by the time you hit 5070ti laptop vs 5070ti desktop it starts to get brutal and from there it's lights out especially at the 5090 level: 5070ti laptop vs desktop:

Here is my 4090 laptop with new bios. Hard to believe my desktop 5090 is so much faster than this. But this gaming experience out of this laptop is amazing. http://www.3dmark.com/sn/10199710

Nice! I'll have to take a looksy and see what I can extract and apply to my humble 9800X3D and Asus X870e Hero. 🤣 This is Asus. I highly doubt they binned anything ala 4090 Matrix...... Even as robust as the PCB and cooler design is, there is still the fragility of the 600w connector even in the face of the BTF connector which while I'm sure on paper can handle a lot of juice, why chance anything over 800w? They need their "limited edition" (Same card I could have pre-ordered on launch day for well over 8hrs) Matrix cards to be problematic free and run perfectly. Personally, if the BTF connector is so good, I'm not sure why they didn't split the load evenly at a minimum 400/400 or at the very least supply a 3-prong lead and cap the 12v2x6 to an official 450w and the BTF to 350w for an extra added layer of protection..... Exact same plan of attack, but the 800w is turning out to be the new Gigachad on steroids. I can see a low voltage card wanting to run the XOC though and getting access to all that 1.15v. If it can be dialed in / reeled back, it has its place but for normal use, I still think the Matrix 800w is the way to go because it seems to be the special sauce on all fronts sans memory OC unless severely voltage capped cards are purposely limited even when running the 800w MatrixMagic. Running XOC on 5090 vs 4090 I rarely approached 500w let alone 600w+ with my 4090 even OC'd in most gaming scenarios whereas OC'd my Vanguard routinely hits 630w and it clearly wants more. At 630w my voltage will hit ~1.090 leaving me a nice voltage chunk on the table that I'm sure the Matrix 800w will gladly slurp up with my 1.125v native cap. I'm not willing to take that leap till I have a nice layer of monitoring, buffer and protection in place. You must be ready and willing to know that 600w connector is going to be severely abused more often than not running either of the bios but especially that XOC, whew..... I can see @Mr. Fox now when 1.15v popped up on his screen and his UPS started to howl going: I'll have to take a look at the video later. I usually like his outlook on market forecasting. This is why I'm waiting for my Wireview Pro 2 before I do anything.... As for Asus, they don't officially condone everyone using their vBIOS files even on their own cards. They are not going legitimize it by compounding the issue and creating a version of the Matrix to run on their other cards. The objective is clear in their response. That is to NOT run ANY of the XOC/Matrix vBIOS files on ANY of their non sanctioned cards..... that's pretty clear. Wow, they are retroactively adding it? I completely get it and blame the sophistication and sheer number of cheaters out there that somehow extract a sense of victory winning matches cheating at all costs but this truly is the only way to completely oversee every aspect of what is going on because some of the cheats were near that level of low level hardware access to circumvent previous measures. This is what forced EA's hand because in the world of competitive real player games, the sanctity of fair play overrides everything. I remember back in the Quake competitive days so many "good" or "great" players would never attend gaming lans or cons and those who did show their faces suddenly weren't anywhere near as good as they were online....imagine that. I remember one dude even trying to play isolated in a closed door room with his clan and the judges were like "no, anybody can observe anybody" and they opted not to play and made up some BS excuse. I don't blame EA. I blame the cheaters basically forcing EA to implement their version of The Final Solution and there is no circumventing this measure....yet. I took great joy in watching players being banned at an unprecedented rate in the history of EA competitive games and running to reddit to cry about it. As long as they don't start adding it to non competitive games, I'm ok with it. If I truly wanted to play, I would just create a Windoze gaming only install stripped to the bone on its own drive and tuned to high heaven and keep it all on there and dual or triple boot to it as needed.

Another way to see it... But yaea, 5090 live their own lives. Same as with 24GB 4090's. NVIDIA restocks GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition in Europe https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-restocks-geforce-rtx-5090-founders-edition-in-europe Can't compare them. 5090 ain't a 600W graphics card. And not many run 1000W on 4090's. Neither did many go above 660-700W for daily use with their 4090's. 800W ain't healthy for gaming all day long with single tiny trash power connector. Edit. Why not make a 800W Matrix bios for Asus cards if they are so worried that people will use the 2001W XOC version? The cat is out of the bag. Just release it. Unofficial ASUS RTX 5090 BIOS Emerges With Extreme 2000W Power Target ASUS responded quickly after the BIOS began circulating. The company emphasized that installing unofficial firmware carries significant risks, including potential hardware damage and warranty loss. Because the BIOS bypasses the standard checks used to keep the GPU and its VRM within safe operating conditions, any attempt to use it in a normal system could cause immediate failures.

well dayum, looks like ill have two vbioses to play around with once my wireview pro II comes in 😄 so if i understand it correctly, the asus XOC vbios forces 1.15V at all times on the core? is there an option to lower it and have some control? otherwise id have to try and reign in the temps via power limiting but id prefer voltage tbh. in any case, nice to FINALLY have more options 🙂 is it just me or does it somehow feel like running the 5090 at 1kW+ is more dangerous than the 4090 at 1000W? with my previous 4090 suprim i just ran the 1000W XOC vbios as a daily without issues. and that was without any monitoring tool like the wireview i will have available now. sweet, ill save it up for future reference 🙂 want to get my DDR5 issues sorted first before i start properly tuning the CPU. but now with the Matrix and XOC vBioses out ill have to go back to GPU tuning too 😄 so much to do, so little time, argh! enjoy the bit of freetime u have now between jobs, im sure ull be in over ur head once the new position starts 🙂 keeping my fingers crossed for you on that btw!

If Steve is right you might be able to get a 5090 for a decent price. Let's hope it crashes real hard. I wouldn't mind my 5090 losing value if that means that I could buy a second 5090 extra cheap. If it is cheap enough I might even consider a 5080. Anything but an FE turd.

I am going to have to fire up the chiller tomorrow and play with the power slider to see if I can reign in some of that because pulling 1700W from the wall is not sustainable. It will trip circuit breakers (and I have this on a 20A circuit) and exhausts the capacity of my 1500W UPS. If that does not work will I will just go back to the Matrix vBIOS and use the EVC2. I'm not gonna lie though... I just LOVED seeing that 1.150V default. For now I just flipped my GPU over to using the stock Zotac 600W vBIOS. I think letting it run wild and free on the XOC vBIOS probably isn't a smart thing to do. It might be safe, but I don't want to just assume that and hope it turns out OK. Temping fate to such an extreme degree (1700W from the wall, probably 1300W from the GPU) with the petite arson PCIe power cable should put the fear of God in all of us that possess an ordinary amount of common sense. Here is something interesting. I use a GPU overclocking program in Linux called LACT. It shows both core and hotspot temperature readings on the 5090. So, maybe the register is actually there and the NVIDIOTS gave Windoze software developers marching orders to not expose it. -?- I think they rank right up there with bad actors like crApple when it comes to being among the kings of command and control dictatorships. I received my Thermal Grizzly GPU die gaskets for liquid metal, so I really need to make time for that. The package comes with 3 for 4090 and 3 for 5090, so I can do both GPUs. I am expecting to get an offer on the job I want most on Monday or Tuesday and I am sure that I am going to initially not have much discretionary time to do things until I get past my orientation, which usually take a bit more time in c-suite positions.

OK. New problem. My CyberPower 1650W UPS does NOT like this XOC vBIOS, LOL. SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER. I will be using the Matrix vBIOS one my "quiet" vBIOS position for normal daily driver usage and gaming. I launched Cyberpunk 2077 and all the sirens began blaring on my shunted 5090. I do not even need the EVC2 now because the XOC vBIOS gives me the voltage I was setting manually using the EVC2 LOL. I will test with benchmarks to confirm, but I may move the EVC2 over to the 4090 Suprim if I no longer need it on the 5090. Check the voltage and power now. Nice.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Hmmm. A$us prefer the cheap way. The more you pay the more they save. Nvidia offer their 5090 FE cards at MSRP ($2000) and still come with rubber die guard. I expect Asus prefered to use paste as die guard to save sub 1$ in cost of build. Isn't that cheapo? Or is it the classic greed?

Biggest problem to me is the lack of a standard for the BTF connectors. Hyte goes where the market goes as do all case makers. If BTF is properly standardized and gains traction, they will go there but it has been swirling around for years now going nowhere so..... And that makes the Matrix and Astral BTF editions problematic because it suddenly limits your choice of motherboards if you want to switch/upgrade. I don't care for that. ----------------------------- Ahhh, much better. Here is a good video from BBT where he pits maxed tuned (memory and CPU) 14900KS vs 285k vs 9800X3D vs 9950X3D in a proper shootout. The overall consensus is still the 9800X3D is still king. Shines at 1080p. Loses a little steam at 1440p and really loses steam at 4k to pretty much make all tuned chips the same and the 285k actually comes out on top as the GPU experiences being capped. Like I said, 285k gets a bad rap, but properly tuned and paired with what is gobsmackingly expensive ram now, it can hold its own and then some. Also the newest edition of Intel's APO is actually valid now and works as intended when it can take advantage of its optimizations. For X3D, it comes down to the games being played/tested and the resolution too and how that effects the cache and saturation. Even Jufes, who beats on AMD regularly said if all he played was racing sims or flight sims hell yeah his main rig would be X3D as it dominates in those types of games. I still feel to this day the 14900KS when tuned properly provides a smoother, more steady gameplay experience in WoW for handling the lows but I also play at 4k maxed out so that subjects the X3D cache to more saturation than 1440p and especially 1080p. I actually logged into my WoW account on the wife's system the other day and played for a few hours at 1440p then set internal render to 4k for the next few hours and the gameplay, even on her 9070xt, is just smoother especially in raids. The 4k evidence from BBT's video just makes me want to build out a 285k even more at this point for 4k testing. I said it before, but if a decent 285k sample pops up on the forums, I'll probably pick it up and build out a cheap rig and just use these 8400 Kingspec sticks and see where they can go on it. Overall, when tuned ALL the top end chips provide a good gaming experience.

Damn, scammers now running scams through BB. That is just unreal, I hate people lol.

Awesome. I am looking forward to seeing how it runs, brother. I got up early to delid the CPU. It always amazes me how much better that makes things. I increased the core clock 100MHz across all 16 cores and my max temperature is still over 20°C cooler. I hate owning CPUs that are not delidded. The experience sucks with the IHS. So, I gave up on trying to use Windoze worthless trash software bloat to determine whether or not 3DvCache actually worked or not. Micro$lop butchers or botches up everything they get their hands on. I used Process Lasso to set parameters on the EXE file to force 3DvCache CCD0 use or all-core use with both CCDs. As you can see below, it DOES make a difference. All Core (no 3DvCache) CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash All Core (no 3DvCache) CCD0 only (3DvCache only) - I used Process Lasso for this instead of Windoze trash

But we also know when rallied they can make a difference. Look at the de-prioritization of 8GB 5060/9060 cards due to lack of sales and more focus on the 16gb models. Look at prices falling (for now) for sub 5090 cards. Look how the market shifted away from Intel to AMD. Many of those decisions (and more) were consciously made by consumers even normies. If they could stop just shrugging their shoulders and locking onto RGB and aesthetically pleasing things and focus on the hardware and capability/functionality but I don't think we're ever going to be there because most end users don't care about any of that. They just want to plug in and get going and if problems arise they track down peeps that are like us in this thread. The A$$zeus license comment made me lol btw..... 🤣 ----------------------- @jaybee83 confirmed working on the Suprim Air by two users who have flashed it and it's working as intended. So far, it appears higher voltage card users that had higher ranges but the 600w limit kept them lower are experiencing increases in voltage to go along with their newfound 200w of power. On the other hand, if your card is mid or lower and already bouncing off that vmax as is at 600w, you won't suddenly open up more voltage but that 200w will still give you a nice, healthy kick. List so far of cards not working with it: Asus Astral 5090 Black Asus Astral 5090 LC Black Asus TUF Suprim Liquid 5090 FE (duh) Ironically, the revamped design of the Astral white 5090 does work with it.....so clearly not done out of maliciousness but a byproduct of the fan design. Haven't seen the Zotac 5090 AIO tested along with a few other cards yet but the vast majority are able to run it. Someone in Asus won't walk right after they are separated from their keister for letting this slip out as is and not differentiating power detection properly.

Definitely a fan controller / lack of headers issue same as the Aorus Waterforce. The Vanguard and Suprim are basically the same PCB. I would be highly surprised (and disappointed) if it didn't work on the Suprim. This is my plan as my order is in too and I plan on opening up a can of 800w whup arse at that time. I'll also probably migrate to a modern PSU too but we'll see. I suspect some at Asus have steam coming out of their ears over this..... Nice! So far it seems that if you have a proper 3 fan designed 5090 PCB AND it isn't named Asus, you can run the Matrix 800w vBIOS..... Yup, many disgruntled Astral owners over the XoC debacle, sky high pricing and now this? So glad I returned my Astral 5090 for many reasons and now just add this one on top of that list. You bought an Asus 5090 LC this time around. Will you be purchasing Asus next gen @Papusan? I don't think Asus would patch the BIOS to their own customer's detriment, but then again they did proactively stop their motherboards from retaining RGB settings so you needed to run their software with a BIOS update soooo........yeah.

Double up is the way to go😎 Sure.

@electrosoft Did you upgrade to the iPhone 17 Pro Max yet?