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I'd like to officially welcome @Mr. Fox and @Talon to not only Team Red, but also more important the even rarer Team Purple for those of us who own, test, compare and enjoy both AMD and Intel at the same time. We meet every Wednesday at the local Dennys. 🤣 (You also have a bit more insight as to why my RGB color scheme is routinely purple FYI)

Same... beast mode in red and blue now, at least for the time being. Will see where Intel takes us. https://hwbot.org/submission/5686765_ Well... enough of the AIO. I installed the Heatkiller IV Pro block with some cooling line extensions (temporary) on QD3 fittings to connect to the same cooling system as the Apex. That way I do not need the entire system dedicated to one machine. Will do something more permanent later. This is still for testing. I must have overtightened the block because this was intially unstable until I backed off all four thumb nuts about 1 turn each. I also pulled the stock heating blankets off the RAM and dropped the memory temps about 10°C with them naked. My memory jackets for water cooling the RAM are on order, but are coming from China and make take a week or two. I already had the Bykski 4-DIMM block for the top from my DDR4 days.

Hey guys. If you haven't seen this benchmark tool, check it out. I saw it on a Buildzoid video. https://github.com/clamchowder/MicrobenchmarksGui/releases/tag/v0.000006 It can be used to benchmark system RAM bandwidth and latency, and GPU VRAM when copying from CPU to GPU and GPU to CPU memory.

The 9950X3D with the improved cache die layering and 3d vcache on both CCDs could be the most interesting high end enthusiast chip for a while.

Does this mean I am on a special team, RGB (AMD, Nvidia and Intel for CPUs/GPUs)? 🤣😂 EDIT: With @Mr. Fox and @Talon currently visiting team Red, my question is when will @Papusan take the plunge? These are some strange times, next thing I know @ryan would be joining the desktop crew as well.

It seems the Team at UserBenchmark once again try help Pat an Intel with the sales😆 UserBenchmark suggests you buy the i5-13600K over the Ryzen 7 9800X3D — says AMD drives sales with 'aggressive marketing' rather than 'real-world performance'

what goes through my head when i read Zen6 in late 2026/27: AM5 promise by AMD goes until "2027+", so best to push Zen6 right up until that point to avoid having to include ANOTHER gen on AM5 😛 keeping their promise but doing everything they can to offer less by it....

Have to fully agree on power draw. Been testing this 9800X3D with PBO +200 and -15 C0 and in BF2042 and 1080p low for max fps, it's pulling 135-140w package with temps hitting 75-85c. That is a heater compared to my 24 core 285K chip that pulls the same power, nearly exact same power, and runs around 50-60c. The memes about Intel temps in this care are completely fabricated as I expected. Power does not equal core temps, it equals room temps. But unfortunately these tech dummies push this narrative that your chip is melting and will fry itself. The only chip near melting is my new 9800X3D lol. I'll have to see what I can do to improve the temps. On a side note, apparently there is now confirmation were getting Zen 6 on AM5 in late 2026 or early 2027. So that is awesome. I'm wondering if we won't get a Zen 5 refresh before that, that would be wild. Maybe improve the IMC. So far, I am glad I built the AM5 rig, I like the ability to test both brands and the chip is an absolute monster for punching out FPS in many games. Now I'm wondering do I swap it into my main rig? The idea of 8 cores as a daily driver makes me want repulsed lol. 2018 called, they want their 9900K back.

I know a lot of people think brother @Papusan and @Mr. Fox are bat-poop crazy for hating on Winduhz 11 so hard, especially newer versions, (also including the newer Windoze 10 cancer,) but we actually do our homework. If performance was better we would actually be using it as our preferred OS. The ugly part is subjective and fixable. Try as we may, people are still going to think we are nuts and form their own misinformed opinions and continue to believe the lies that it works better. Well, bless their hearts. The only way to know is to test. All of my systems boot multiple operating systems and it immediately becomes as plain as the nose on your face which one sucks when you can reboot and run the same tests back-to-back among OS versions and watch the newer ones reveal their suckiness. It leaves no wiggle room for speculation on which one deserves the most hate. CPU and memory performance have declined and degraded with newer OS versions. Graphics performance sometimes improves and sometimes regresses. That part is inconsistent. The Redmond Retards add silly gimmick features to entice gamers into running their crappy cancer OS and pray nobody notices what a steaming deep dish colon loaf it is. And, guess what? Most of the gamerboys don't notice. No, my surprised look is not on my face. Us old farts know what we're talking about most of the time. Windows 11 is a pile of crap. Even Jufus the potty mouth has documented that the claims that newer versions of Winduhz run better is a load of crap. Even as recently as the 9900/9950X release he debunked the excuses that AMD fanboys were making that Windoze 11 needed an update for the new CPU to work right. I generally view the opinion that newer OSes work better as a sign of inexperience and ignorance. Some smart people believe that and it is probably because they make assumptions rather than exercising due dilligence and testing, or they are not doing the right tests. Even if the latest cancer OS performed exactly the same as every version before it, who wants to own a zombie computer and have the Redmond Reprobates stealing data and making all of the decisions about what happens with the OS? Hard to believe there are many otherwise intelligent people that drink that Kool-Aid. Letting Micro$oft decide what happens is essentially a plan for failure if you like the idea of having a system perform at its best. Believing the next update or version release of Winduhz will improve performance is utterly insane, and contrary to historical evidence that suggests the complete opposite should be expected. It will be interesting to play with the 9950X and discover what my opinion will be in the end. Parts arrived yesterday so I will install them today or tomorrow. I'm not sold on 3D v-cache being all that, but probably because I am not a gamer and don't value that as much as gamers do. It is good that 9800X3D is not as terrible at productivity as its predecessor. The idea of buying an 8-core CPU doesn't really do anything for me other than invoking a feeling of disgust. That seems very lame to me by current standards, kind of like saying 8GB of RAM is enough. It might work, but it's barely adequate for much more than email and web surfing. For the same reason, I was offended that the Core Ultra 9 flagship was downgraded to 24 threads from its predecessor's 32-thread i9 flagship and I didn't like the 285K before it released for that reason alone. I was surprised that it didn't perform worse than it does, but losing 8 threads and having lower boost clocks with less P-core overclock headroom is a downgrade to me no matter what angle I choose to look at it. It would be hard for me to find something to be happy about because of both of those things. I never like the concept of doing more with less. That always rubs me the wrong way no matter where the concept is applied. Looks like I lucked out on the 9950X purchase. It is now sold out at NewEgg and I purchased it for $110 less than launch price. Maybe Core Ultra 9 adopters will get lucky with a similar price drop in a couple of months.

Took advantage of the Newegg trade in deal. $380 for my 14900KS SP105. Newegg has combo available for 9800X3D and X870E Hero for $999.99. I got free overnight shipping too. Grand total after my trade in was $619.99 + $62 tax. Not bad for a brand new 9800X3D and X870E Hero. O ya, it will be here tomorrow and saves me a trip to Microcenter.

That might be when I test the water. Depends on what they do. I'm always watching though. If any stones need to be cast (at either Team Red or Team Blue) I will throw them as hard as I can. There is no mercy for selling lackluster components or buggy crap.

I'd be somewhat excited if they were talking about a super efficient variant for specific laptops but everything else? Nah.... I was hoping with 285k and it running a least more efficient along with the 7800/9800 X3D variants we would see the return of proper DTRs or at least one model but the NH55 really does seem to be the end of the road for desktop CPU support. 😞 As I was adding up the pricing of the 285k, a decent motherboard and CU Dimms, I was quickly over $1300 and climbing. I just went, "whoa whoa whoa...." Toss in a 5090 and suddenly I'm looking at $3k+ and most likely 3.5k+. Plus I still have my complete other AM5 system I'm holding onto besides having sold my Powercolor 7900XTX. Since my daughter abandoned it (lol), I'm going to rebrand it into an anime themed chassis and that leaves open the chance to slap in a 9800X3D or 9950X3D to play around with in the future. Right now, it is rocking a 7600x. If my daughter suddenly gets the urge to play something else, I can always swap in another GPU as needed. I just want to keep at least one AM5 platform in the house going "just in case" Unless someone offers a decent price, I'm going to ride my 4090 up to and through the first part of getting a 5090 and eliminating bad samples/coil whine units till i get something decent. 2+ yrs of solid service from the 4090 can't be beat. Then it has to provide a real, tangible upgrade in 4k from the 4090 calculating in not much uplift from CPUs (9000 X3D testing of course needed). From there, I might slap it in my wife's system to upgrade her 3080 10gb which would be pretty monstrous. Or when all is said and done, I might ride it to the 6090! 🤣

I went ahead and cancelled my 285k order. Sanity prevailed and I'm going to return to my "wait and see" approach to see how it pans out over the next few months. With the 9950X3D slated early next year, we should see whatever refinements / the OC community can tune up by then for comparison. Plus...you know....5090 Wallet Slayer Editions will be hitting the market most likely in Q1 too. Have to have a sufficient buffer to properly be able to yay or nay that Balance Destroyer.

From what I understand, things are really funky now with the NPU and fabric crap but the E-core voltage is adjustable independently from the P-core voltage. The tiled nonsense sure does jack up the memory latency though. Very much like Ryzen in that respect, unfortunately. It is very intriguing while pretty disgusting at the same time. Microcenter get any 285K in stock yet? Seems like this happens every time. The part most in demand isn't available on launch day except in single-digit quantities with merchants, or not even at all. I am still tempted to buy a Taichi OCF. If I do (still not sure I will) it won't be until 285K is available. The Z890 platform looks great and I love a lot of things about that motherboard, but I am not very keen on Core Ultra so far. I don't really give a rat about gaming performance. The compute performance looks really good even though the memory latency looks pitiful compared to Raptor Lake. It is sad that Intel caved in and moved to a glued together mess like AMD. That monolithic design, even with the crappy E-cores, was one of the things that set them apart as superior. Now their part of the belly-buttons and buttholes club, doing what is popular instead of what is good, and stooping to partnering with TSMC. Today Mrs. Fox and I celebrate 38 years of marriage. Seems weird to even say that. Sometimes I forget that I am not 38 years old, LOL.

I went ahead and grabbed me a 265K/Apex Z890 as well.

Go time boys.

(While visions of 5090's and Taichi x870e equipped 9950X3Ds float through my head)

Ah what a roller-coaster it's been. Bought Z790 + 14900K to replace 10980XE + X299 Returned 14900K and bought 12700K as stop-gap for Z890. Bought Core Ultra 9 285K on release with no MB. Returned the Core Ultra 9 285K, sold Z790+12700K system. Bought Xeon W7-3465X + W790 ASUS SAGE MB and the money has been draininngggggggggg But so happy I'm back in HEDT land...lol Just a teaser, I'm probably gonna need liquid cooling instead of my Noctua cooler. This is exactly what I am experiencing. Especially with the Optane P5800X drive. Everything feels so smooth.

The 9800X3D seems like a really good candidate for Intel's Cryo Cooling watercoolers. Fortunately it's now possible to run those waterblocks and AIOs using modified Intel Cryo Cooling software that doesn't have the stupid artificial CPU restriction check from here: https://github.com/juvgrfunex/cryo-cooler-controller

Intel is really in a precarious position right now and once mindshare and perception shifts fully to AMD, they could find themselves no longer the standard bearer for x86. Nevermind ARM gaining market share at an alarming rate and we have Nvidia coming on next with CPUs..... The fact @Mr. Fox and @Talon have finally taken the plunge to run systems in tandem and like what they see so far is very telling in and unto itself. Personally, I love dipping in and out of AMD, Intel and Nvidia hardware since 2005 with X2 and FX from AMD and going back and forth with ATI and Nvidia then AMD and Nvidia. I just love hardware!

Red, blue or purple... but no less dangerous.

So far I am enjoying tinkering with the 9950X, but there is a different feel to it. Something feels limited in some way that is hard to pinpoint and it has a frustrating aspect to it. Some of it may just be how different and more inconvenient the tuning process is compared to what I am used to. I remember the 5950X feeling that way, but it was a whole lot more frustrating and buggy that this newer platform is. I knew within 48 hours that buying it was a tragic mistake and poor judgment on my part, but I don't feel that way so far with the 9950X. So far no regrets, but I haven't done anything but fumble around with CPU and memory overclocking to find my way around and explore what works and what doesn't. As we both mentioned before, these chips are not less hot-running that 13th or 14th Gen Intel. I am not sure where that myth came from. I am very quickly exhausting what little thermal headroom there is on a mainstream gamer AIO.

That's like with cars saying you changed the oil and other accessories in half the time the manual states and are fine, that's still the failure of the manufacturer to give proper dates for service. It's a failure of the product, some of which were running in server environments with power limits and could still kill themselves. It's just not good enough IMO, same with the AMD side of things. Then to lie, take ages to admit something was going on and rejecting warranties is so scummy.

It's scary when you opt to run both platforms and realize the FUD on 13th/14th gen along with AMD. That's why I love that initial OOB experience of furnaces and/or piss poor performance then slowly tune and dial it in, set multiple profiles and everything is running smooth as silk with much better performance and good pull/temps. I saw where AMD is guaranteeing Zen 6 while Intel has been quiet on 1851. So compared to your tuned 14900ks, how do you feel about the 9800X3D vs it head to head for gaming so far? I'm (trying) to resist the pull till 9950X3D and snag one of those and a Taichi X870e. I do know tuned, the 14900KS 5.9 all core w/ APO + 8400 2x24GB definitely was the winner overall vs my tuned 7950X3D + 6000 2x32GB tuned for WoW. With how the 7950X3D/7800X3D was a monster with Fallout 76 even vs the 14900KS rig, I am sure the 9000X3D would be a ripper.

Already better then what I've been able to do with my limited time.

Thank you. I've having to relearn everything that is for sure. I think I am getting way better results using fixed all core and manual voltage than PBO, which is actually exactly the same for me on Intel. eTVB and opportunistic core boost truly sucks. Here's my best so far... This is with the EK CR360 AIO. I am going to have to get the Heatkiller block on it until I buy a der8auer delid tool and Mycro bare die block. Brother @cylix it is the G.SKILL 8000 sticks that my Ryzen setup does not like. I put in the TeamGroup Xtreme 48GB kit and it boots and runs 8200 like a champ. Interesting. There must be something in the G.SKILL 8000 SPD default settings that causes it to fail to POST on Ryzen. What makes it ever more odd is the G.SKILL sticks run identical to the TeamGroup Xtreme in the Apex Encore. No differences in performance, settings or voltage. I just put the G.SKILL memory on the Apex Encore and *BOOM* there it is! The G.SKILL 8000 kits (both of them) have always worked fantastic. I only bought the TGX because it has no RGB and they're covered up with waterblocks so RGB may as well not exist.

thats pretty good for just 2 days of tuning bro Fox! once u manage to get all timings tuned u should end up around mid/high 50s for latency, roughly 100GB/s+ on Read/Write and 90+ on Copy. as for DDR5-8000, thats highly motherboard dependent it seems. 7600 should be doable on all boards, 8000 on about half, and only the RAM champs can do 8200-8600.

Maybe this will help. Still not great considering what we are used to, but a MASSIVE improvement over where I started last night. That was pretty scary how bad it was. I've seen people that are ignorant about memory tuning with latency this bad on Intel. I'm pretty sure I can do better than this. Just now getting started in the process. Nothing works the same as Intel. Shake the Etch-A-Sketch and start over. Besides the latency, 8000 is comparatively very slow read/write/copy speeds on Ryzen.

Maybe Brother @chew can give us some pointers. My latency is lower than that but still very high. This seems a whole lot more convoluted that what I am used to. I think all the sliders and knobs have to be just right or it behaves badly, LOL. I getting closer to finding out where the sliders and knobs belong. Little by little. I think I am going to test my TeamGroup Xtreme 8200 48GB kit on this. No idea why the motherboard will not even try to boot with the G.SKILL 8000 48GB kit. It doesn't even try to boot. Just stops abruptly after about 1 second with Q-code 15 and CPU and RAM LEDs on.

Looks like the 9800x3D is the only interesting launch this cycle. The rest appear to be duds from both camps. Told a gamer bud of mine that he needs to jump on it before the price soars past the msrp. I believe he's on a 9700k currently. Been lurking as I've been working 60 hour weeks the only thing I get to do is continue building up my intranet as parts come in (moving from wifi to 10G ethernet/fiber) and maybe 20-30min of a game here or there.

Nice! This will be a good ole fashion shoot out incoming 285 vs 14900ks vs 9800X3D. 🙂 @Talon still living vicariously through your early hardware pickups as always. 🤣

Looks to be an absolute gem of a CPU! Outside of strong multicore performance, it is the perfect gaming/home/work CPU. I know when I owned a 7800X3D, I was more than satisfied with it. No scheduler issues and firing almost all cylinders right out of the box. It didn't experience as much uplift from tuning as the 12th-14th, but there were definitely gains to be had properly tuning your curve and memory for sure. As usual, De8auer had one of the best reviews for us OCers and I was impressed. I'm just hoping the 9950X3D has it on both CCDs.

Looks Like the 9800x3d was the best launch ever for a cpu. Soldout everywhere in Germany in minutes. Mindfactory sold the the whole stock, more then 3000 in under 5 minutes.

There are some interesting productivity cases where I think the I/O die is holding the 9000 series silicon back and the cache is helping ease that so that the 9950X3d which could actually really benefit given the restrictions. I'll be interested in the benchmarks.

Finally an interesting product 😄

I love these low power runs, I was always obsessed with efficient overclocking and seeing how cool something can run with how little power/voltage I can make a chip stable at. I chased that with everything honestly. Even my 3175X right now lol. It’s known as a power hungry chip. It can be setup very efficient as well though, just like my 14900KS before it. Ever since my average 11900K, and comparing with @electrosoft good 11900K. I have been practicing this lol.

LOL, I saw that last night and meant to say something and forgot. Good catch. I was going to make reference to it in the context of Core Ultra being a Satanic abortion. 😜 Well, in spite of my words and behavior repeatedly demonstrating that I don't care about brand it is going to be surprising to some. I'm hard to please, but not a fanboy. I value results and do not believe in brand loyalty or forgiveness for companies that do things I don't like. If I get what I want, they score a win. If I don't, then they'll get scortched earth. Time and testing will tell whether or not it was poor judgment. Once I determine that nothing needs to be RMA'd I will likely sell one of my nicely binned i9 CPUs and the Encore, or Velocita, or both mobos and 2 CPUs. I have extras, so I still have an exit strategy if I don't like it. 😂 And, if I don't like it then I will merely validate a basis for having an opinion. I hope I do like it though. We shall see. It will start out initially on the Praxis Wetbench with the CR360 Dark AIO, then move to the Antec case if I decide to sell the Encore. The chiller setup is plug and play, with both benching systems on wheeled carts and QDC fittings, so that part is easy peasy. I ordered a Heatkiller IV Pro block cheap from Titan Rig. If it is worth keeping then I will order a der8auer Delid Die Mate and Mycro direct die block in December or January. Since my memory tuning is manual anyhow, I expect my TG Xtreme 8200 sticks to work fine without Expo profiles. Everyone can rest assured that I will show no mercy when it comes to calling balls and strikes. And, if credit is due it will be given freely and in good measure.

We are on page 666 after all.

Nice! I will say Provantage was very easy to cancel with and I had not one but TWO CSRs reach out to me to cancel my order. I'm definitely keeping an eye on it and seeing all you can extract from it bro! So far, how would you say it compares to your 13th/14th gen setup?

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Overclocked to 5.46 GHz, Beating Ryzen 7 7800X3D by 24%

The 9950x is still a beast of a chip. I think I may be able to hit 47k in CB 23, and 246K mips in 7zip. I need to check the waterblock contact.

Not a problem. I'm in the lucky class where I can "safely" try before I'm locked into keeping it. Just another reason to love my Microcenter! And a warranty (Our Microcenter, I can't speak for the other 27 or so out there) like no other on the planet right now.

** Finger hovers over cancel button ** Thanks for the insight @johnksss. If you're going back to 14900KS that speaks volumes.

$499.99 for the OCF is excellent deal. I think they are really good motherboards. I’d give up knowing the SP and save $220 dollars and easily go that route over the Apex Z890. Smart move I think. I’m curious why you haven’t moved to one of these big boy cooling setups. You can setup a test bench or case with some good cooling flowing through it. And make it easy to swap boards and CPU’s. And the great thing is these parts last you years and years, we don’t really need to upgrade them. Titan Rig has the original Mora420’s at blow out pricing with another 20% off discount code. You can get a Mora3 1260 LT for like $208 dollars 😃 The company “Watercool” has revamped their designs, product line, and styling since popularity has grown substantially, this has put the OG Mora3’s on sale. If you are swapping motherboards and CPU’s annually or often. Then absolutely great cooling certainly helps and gives the best advantage. It makes all chips good for the most part, besides the memory controller lol. I have a buddy on the internet who’s running the same exact setup as me. Coincidentally this is the same guy I sold my Golden 11900K too couple years ago, he coincidentally also built a 3175X+Dominus extreme the exact same week that I did (Weirdest coincidence) anyways, this guy is running 4.0Ghz@98C with his AIO, while I run 4.7Ghz@70C with the mega cooler 5000 lol. I cannot overclock more merely because my single 1,000 watt PSU is not enough. My PC will reboot. (I have a 4090 and several pumps being powered as well) @electrosoft You too lol. Anyways, watercooling is another hobby inside the already fun PC hobby. 😃

aint it interesting that american sites basically sell out of arrow lake CPUs, whereas in europe nobody dare touch that stuff with a 10 foot pole? 😄 on this note, more deetz on the upcoming 9800X3D, this time with full overclocking capabilities, same as with the regular skus: lets hope AMD did get the numbers right this time around 😄

Hey brother Fox, I went ahead and grabbed this platform because I like the options it has standard. 2 Thunderbolt 4/USB4 down to USB 2.0. 2 USB Type C 20GBPS ports. 5 GBPS LAN to tie into my 10 Gig network. EZ M.2 latches for all motherboard drives. (Wish they gave the Dimm.2 that's included with the extreme version as that one is completely toolless) EZ PCIE Slots. (No more button) Thunderbolt share. Wifi 7. As to the performance... Hopefully, that will pick up before our Microcenter gets in the new 285K's So I can swap this one out. I won't have my 4090 much longer as it's coming up on its two-year warranty so I will get rid of it before that time. So will be just running something like a 4060 until they come out with the 5090 or maybe another 4090 as a placeholder.

I think I am good for now. Four very nicely binned Raptor Lake CPUs running like a Swiss watch. With the SA bug gone now the 14900KF SP106 in the Apex Encore CPU is functionally near identical to the wonderful 14900KS SP108 that I bought from @tps3443. Raptop Lake CPUs in the Z790i Edge (13900KS SP112) and Z790 Velocita (14900KF SP102) I am good to go for now. No need for a more efficient CPU crippled by no HT and a lower thread count.

House update! It’s almost DONE!!! Only one thing left is final inspection, and those steps are not mine, they have to build the real ones which are going to be 5ftx5ft landing. The steps on the home now are just temporary/portable wood steps. Pics of Inside the home, I do not have a key yet lol. They’ll change the locks before they hand us new keys. The cabinets are all real hardwood throughout the entire home. upload pic

I moved my 32GB kit into Alison's PC and picked up a 48GB kit of patriot 6000 CL36, it has lights so of course is 10% faster 😄

About how I'm feeling right now.