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It would appear you didn't have a chance while the card was on air either. (This is called being petty and didn't need to be said. Hoping you start to understand what I'm getting at.) No EVC and no water cooling. This whole scenario was not what I was looking for. Not even close. I was genuinely hoping to see you push the card using your skillset. A brother from notebooktalk showing the rest of the world how the 5090FE runs in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing. That way we know it's true potential. To many folks not knowing how to overclock or setup OS's or have the right tools for the job. That's what I was looking for. Not all the excuses on why you can't beat other AIB cards. That wasn't even the topic of discussion. And the fact that you keep throwing around how much you paid for your card and water block. Is just kind of crazy my friend. I can reword that whole downplaying of how much you spent into a completely different light, but I choose not to. I don't do my friends like that. I'm not here to clown, just want to know what the card can do from someone I trust. That's it. No hidden agendas.

I love ya bro but..............🤣 Back to our regularly sponsored programming.... I mean a shunt is only because you can't do it via vBIOS and it still doesn't address the memory OC capability of +5000 vs +3000. 😞 Eventually the XOC will be solved. More info and tips and tricks leaking every day but at least you can shunt mod every 5090 so wattage is never the problem which is nice. I'm quite adept at soldering (been doing it since I was in the single digits when I would mod of RC cars as a kid along with rebuilding lawnmower engines to build go carts) but I still would prefer to just use an XOC vBIOS along with getting the opened up memory tuning. But either way tearing down your 5090FE to block it and breaking 17k on SN is quite righteous! Plus gaming steady with 3300+ clocks everywhere is icing on the cake. I thought your pics of the cleaned up 5090FE PCB were great too. You did a really bang up job and it shows. I've really been enjoying your result posts. I still think you should at least drag the chiller out of retirement for a limited engagement so we can see where it goes chilled for benchmarks or it will always be a case of "what if?" I can easily see hitting at least 17.4.k+ on it. Flex it, bench it as hard as possible for a few weeks then put the chiller back into retirement and ride the 5090FE blocked till the 6090.....

Does this version come with bonus rust though?

Our worst power users are central A/C, and now the dehumidifier under the home. We had loads of condensation underneath the house in crawl space from the A/C. So we had to get a dehumidifier hooked up. Fortunately it keeps the home cooler as well. What’s funny is, this means technically I managed to overclock my RTX 5090, and I squeezed more than a whole RTX 5050 out of it. RTX 5050 Steel Nomad FPS=22-23 STOCK 5090FE Steel Nomad FPS= 142 XOC 5090FE Steel Nomad FPS= 173

@johnksss I checked and same test shows 1,611 watts at the wall running furmark 4K on my 3.3Ghz 5090FE. My PSU is only a Lian Li Gold 1200 watt unit. So I guess it’s just busting ass really hard. Systems idles at 527 watts.

You know, I think Nvidia put a hit out on poor ole KEFI, he hasn’t been seen since breaking in to NVflasher and allowing all 4090FE’s to be flashed for 1.100v 🤣 So either he’s locked in a room with a bag on his head, or he’s buried somewhere. Also, he killed that poor 4090 with 1,500 watts 🤣. I think the 5090 might be just a little stronger to such high power though, I’ve looped mine in stability test at 900w with no issues at all. Also, I ordered a wall meter, so I’ll be able to test the power consumption TODAY. But I feel pretty confident my power draw results are close. But we’ll see today. It’s throwing “pwr limit” at 570 watts which is about 1,140 watts inside of Furmark 4K at 3,255Mhz. If that’s actually 1400 watts that is terrifying because it means my PSU might just have a very short life.

3080 Turbo

I said it before and I'll say it again. It makes no difference. Prices keep dropping because no one is buying. Prices can creep up and a large margin of buyers will still not buy. Nvidia can cut supply and again no one is still buying at these prices. Those who had the deep pockets and/or early adopters have bought already. The first 2-4 months were always going to be shortage based and AIBs sure took advantage of it. Supply and demand needs the demand side to cooperate at that certain price point and clearly many are not buying at the several rounds of price cuts we've already had. Eventually prices will drop to a point where those who are interested enough at a certain price point will decide to pick one up but we're not quite there yet for many of the cards. I tend to monitor which cards sell out pretty quick versus those which languish. Top tier brands are holding somewhat strong with their top end models, but the mid and lower tier brands or top tier brands with their mid and lower tier models are dropping prices on the regular. It's like somebody offering that proverbial sports car for $500k and slashing it over and over on the regular. Eventually someone will deem the price acceptable and buy it. Kind of like a Dutch auction.

This was not what I was expecting to see on the forum today @electrosoft lol Things may be finally looking up on my end of things, a sizeable promotion in one hand, and an enticing job offer I'll be interviewing for on Tuesday through a friend of mine. Its nice to have favorable options on the table. Assuming I dont lose both options I'll be looking forward building myself a MO-RA as a congratulatory boon.

Now where is @tps3443 ? I've been waiting for him to get his block and shunt going so we can see what the 5090FE is "supposed" to do. Edit: Now, I am standing here tapping my foot impatiently, waiting.😂

5090 pricing drops and market saturation continues..... 13 different models of open box 5090's on Newegg starting at $2549 with several being marked down even further from their original open box pricing.... Now Newegg is offering +$200 gift certificates on three models including: Gigabyte Gaming MSI Ventus (which already had a price cut) MSI Vanguard (which already had a price cut) Only models truly out of stock (IE, original MSRP listings still up do not count) are three Gigabyte models and that's it: Windforce (cheapest non FE model available) Aorus WB Aorus AIO --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't expect pricing to fall below launch MSRP, but if we can at least get back to it, I'll revisit it. Cancelling an Astral 20% off was an epiphany for myself in regards to how much these cards are really worth to me and how much I would pay for one. Even the 5090FE is overpriced but the least egregious of them all by far at this point.

PHOENIX!!! YES lol. I'm out there every now and again when I go to the In-Laws home. Finally! And now I can answer yes to the question if I'll ever move back lol. Phoenix based and have access to a MC if I moved out there again. Get your wallet ready lol. It's very dangerous having MC so close by lol. Edit: Just saw it's right next to Sky Harbor. Very dangerous for me on short overnights lol.

#29 HOF 3Dmark with my Founders Edition. 😁 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 video card benchmark result - Intel Xeon W-3175X Processor,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG DOMINUS EXTREME

It's getting close! Looking forward to results late tomorrow when I get back from a night on the town with the wife and daughter! @tps3443 tomorrow waiting for FedEx 🤣 And that is good pricing!

Yeah but that's like saying I tuned my 5L V8 engine and got more than a whole 1.0L 3 cylinder eco boost out of it.

It might be terrifying when your wife gets the electric bill if you are doing a lot of that.

TL;DR: Test each program you use to see if it is beneficial or not for your setup (which most of us have been doing for some time now)... Nvidia reached out to Blackbird basically saying the same thing that it is a case by case situation. With that being said, JayZ2Cent lives in the moment and with his heart on his sleeve. It has its pros and cons. I enjoy his videos but he rates right there with Linus. Entertainment only..... Say what you want about GN, but he is OCD/anal to a fault and puts the 'P' in Pedantic. I take Steve's videos more serious but I skim through them a lot because he can just go on and on and on and he's got the charisma of a brick wall....

And be you sure. Nvidia know it. Why produce more parts for cards that no one will buy? Just cut the production. The production capacity can be used for more profitable products than "cheap" 5090's. Yup. And when empty what then? Why should nvidia produce even more 5090s when they can use the wafers other places? Just produce after demand. Shipping takes time, and maybe Nvidia has produced what they can deliver to come ahead of the tariff hell "if it happens". Afterwards... Nobody really knows. But Nvidia is known for making money. Not for welfare. On the flip side.... For all my US friends. Have a happy 4th of July "tomorrow". Already 4th here home🙂

Decent cooler/Voltage tweak/fan curve tweak gets them into safe levels. I run a slight undervolt and then a power reduction that keeps me around stock performance levels for a boat load less power which is nice at the moment.

I just watched this video this morning on the same subject. Now they just need to figure out thermals.

Do I smell smoke?

No burning yet. 880w cook out on 20 loops on my FE. Cable reached a whopping 41c at the hottest point. This is a very unrealistic scenario. I haven’t seen any games use this much power as Steel Nomad. Typically gaming is 400-775 watts. Full tilt 3.3Ghz. It’s okay at 880 watts, then gaming is probably fine. Might be okay with the 12v-2x6. 🥳

60% performance uplift with double amount cores (if this rumours is from the 52 cores cpu). I hope this MT uplift don't include the IPC increase. But Intel have a long time forwards to tune their next gen chips. Intel Nova Lake performance leak claims 10% single and 60% multi-threaded uplift

What is this? The screenshot looks nothing at all like 3DMark does on my systems. Very strange. Edit: nevermind... crApple M4 LOL 🤣 That explains why it looks so goofy.

Tested the shorting pin 2 to ground method that is circulating on OC.net. No go. Does nothing lol. I got some jumper wires and shorted pin 2, did absolutely nothing to the card other than turning off my fans lol.

🤣. You are so right. And this is why. YESSSS SIRRREEEEE 🤣 Cannot resist that FE ASS lol. BTW, I loved RC CARS. My last one was an Xmaxx 8S in 2020, my first one was a Stampede in 1998. 😃 It’s a hobby I’ll get in to every so often for a little bit lol. Pretty fun though. My kids have a few Traxxas Stampedes.

Thanks for asking. I'm doing a lot better. I finished the semester out at school with good enough grades and have been able to walk normally for about a month now. From Feb to the end of May I felt as I was in limbo, waiting to fully heal and waiting for the semester to end and the summer to begin so I can get back on a normal routine. Now that I've established a routine and have a summer job, things are essentially back to normal. I get knee and ankle pain from time to time, which I'll likely have to live with, but I'm hoping that once I start working out (which will start tomorrow) that I can minimize problems related from the accident and surgery. Even though the situation has been frustrating and annoying, I realize I'm very lucky to be in the position to even think about everything, so I don't let it bother me too much. I've been mostly MIA here due to a lack of interesting things going on with technology and just being busy with life. I was 14 when I made my "Upgrading my Ranger" post over on NBR. I had lots of time to toy around with stuff and learn, which was awesome, but now there are no more "new" laptops to modify and tinker with and I am now older and have a lot more on my plate. The knowledge I've gained from that time will stick with me forever, and I'm very grateful to have learned all I did from you guys. I still have plans to do some stupid stuff to my 4930mx and to rig up a CF-31 to my Thunderbird to interface with the ECU, but those things will happen in the future. I suppose this is strange to say, but my P870TM carried me through my entire recovery. Whether it was doing schoolwork, playing games and chatting with university friends who were off at co-ops whenever I could, or being driven to New Orleans with some friends to visit a close buddy and playing UT99 via LAN until the sun came up, it did its job with no issues and while not boiling my lap, which was nice as I was mostly bed-ridden for a month after my surgery. I find it rather disappointing that it's one of the best computers I've ever used and that nothing will ever really match it. I will use that thing until it sees the day where modern software won't support any aspect of it. Thanks @Prema

One of those moments of realization.... Open box excellent Astral 5090 popped up on BB earlier for 20% off = $2687 (aka lower than MSRP launch) so $2748.78 after tax and rewards total. I snagged it. Checked out. Then less than an hour later I cancelled it. I just didn't want it even for that price. That two month fun session with that last Astral 5090 was all I needed at these price points. I enjoyed it very much, but that heat output along with the actual in game WoW gains just didn't justify the price. 9070xt is *really* holding it down in a way I didn't expect in WoW. As always, it remains a Fallout 76 monster. At this point, I'd snag a 5090FE for $1999.99 and that's about it and I can't even be sure I'd pull the trigger on that one at this point with these prices.

Not the best results but Corsair is smart enough to continue offer 2x8-pin to 12v-2*6 cables on the 2025 refresh. Due this you get loads of 8-pin connectors. Corsair HX1200i ATX v3.1 (2025) power supply review – Efficient, quiet and not quite cheap A note on the pair of 8-pin connectors powering the device’s 12V 2×6 cable instead of a native connector. In my professional opinion, this is better and safer as the load is spread across two larger connectors rather than a single one, which helps to keep operating temperatures lower under high load. It also makes it easier to bend the appropriate cable closer to the side of the power supply without the risk of damaging the connector and increasing the resistance of certain conductor cross-sections or pins.

Same happened to me when I put up a few looking for hardware posts over there. Same MO. They create accounts (or use pre-existing) always having "a friend" that happens to have exactly what you're looking for and to email them. I just ignore them. Agreed. I went and checked the top 30 and our friend @johnksss is #8 with his Astral, dayum! @tps3443 has to bust out the chiller to really let that 5090FE sing at least for a bit! From the jump, 5090FE was on my top 3 list for the price and aesthetics/engineering. I know many crap all over it, but it is gorgeous. Same goes for the 4090FE. That was a thick slab of beauty. 5080FE was gobsmackingly beautiful in person and the 5070FE is a smaller version of its beauty. I just wish the logo lit up like the 5080 and 5090 versions. I ended up putting the 5070 FE in my wife's system replacing her 3080. It is a definite upgrade. I have it overclocked and it's running around 3200mhz pulling so much less, much quieter, running faster.

They named it 5050 because it is only half as good as it should be. The price is good, but everything else is not. 50/50. Or, maybe it is the level of ownership satisfaction. I finally got my refund from Amazon for the disappointing garbage 9950X3D bottomfeeder silicon sample that I returned. Two weeks is a long time to wait on a $750 refund. But, a better way to buy is coming soon. I can hardly wait.

As reported, Nvidia this generation really is pulling an Intel. Basically zero IPC gains vs Ada and I suspect if retro compared to Ada it would be the same too or close too it. Just a bunch of surrounding technologies added and/or enhanced (IE DLSS, FG, AI, etc...). The big gains from 3000 to 4000 was the node shrink allowing packing more cuda's in there and frequency increase. Then we have AMD quietly making serious inroads in IPC both raster and ray tracing with the 9000 setting the stage for next gen. Nvidia vs AMD architecture improvements last vs current gen: GPU IPC Showdown: NVIDIA Blackwell vs Ada Lovelace; AMD RDNA 4 vs RDNA 3 | TechPowerUp Next gen AMD UDNA shaping up quite nicely: HUGE gains expected from AMD UDNA GPU architecture - OC3D AMD has also massively improved their FSR/FG each generation too and of course they're all in on AI (insert "A" "EYE" roll here) You also have them locking down Sony and M$ for future consoles along with making serious inroads market wise with the 9000 series across the board. Nintendo is, of course, all in with Nvidia.... This feels a bit like AMD vs Intel all over again...... Nvidia better be innovating their asses off for 6000 series because the 5090 is a power sucking, monolithic monstrosity last gasp on this node to retain superiority overall especially if AMD drops a 9080xt/9090xt drawing equal with the 5080.... We still have Intel with the B580 keeping the sub $250 sector honest. One reason I think Nvidia is dropping a 5050 this time around.... That's fair. Let me know how much you're asking for it. Probably too much to make it worth my while to pick up yours and return the Gaming (or put it in the wife's system and return the 5070) but you never know. Nice pics! Now let's see some benchmarks.... 6000 vs 5090 FE. Seeing 13% uplift at 4k on some games. Someone needs to shunt mod and ghetto WB cool this thing ASAP just for superiority fun:

I am very surprised you pulled the 9070XT. I thought you be running that one for a while. Unfortunate that the waterblock didn’t do more for the hotspot. This is finished product. Card can draw 1200w max now (If needed) shunt works flawlessly. Very happy with results. Delta is 12c@600w and insanely good. I was not expecting results this good. Not to mentioning I have my flow turned way down SUB 200L/H to bleed air. This GPU is a real KILLA now. I’m absolutely impressed. Using Liquid Metal as a TIM, just like from the factory, I re-used the original gasket to keep LM spillage at bay and LM longevity of course. Using some soft tubing for now. At 600+ watts card backplate isn’t even warm. I used extra pads on the backside everywhere. The 5090FE+Block+Shunt is where it’s at for the ultimate value, in the already terrible value segment of 5090’s. EKWB has improved drastically, better quality thermal pads, and overall good quality GPU. Maybe a little over priced. But definitely Niche waterblock. But well worth it. I can surpass the RTX Pro 6000’s now with my little dinky FE. 🥳

Just got my PC up and running. 3AM now going to bed! Okay, shunt mod WORKS PERFECTLY! Voltage locks out to 1070mv and card runs 2,902Mhz default with no overclocking. Power usage is cut in half all the time. Temps are beyond ridiculous. My card was idling at 26c, and in games running 38c-40c with some quick testing.

PS: My card is shunted for 1200 watts of cable melting power. 🔥 🤣

Guys the 5090 FE cooler is amazing! Highest quality I have ever seen. Comes apart like it was engineered to be disassembled. Fans come out easily. Entire heatsink, everything! I carefully removed my 5090FE cooler for future use when I revert it back to stock, but it has impressed me. Even the fans are extremely high quality. Anyways, water cooled 5090FE is complete. I just have to put it in my rig, might use some soft tubing because I’m impatient. 🤣

Intel with it's own bLLC (big last level cache) coming with Nova Lake. Apparently it's 144Mb cache tile. Nova Lake shaping up to be a monster CPU for Intel.

We (enthusiasts) are definitely outnumbered by those that don't know, don't care, or exercise restraint when it comes to spending. While I think cost per FPS is valid and something to pay attention to, where we mislead ourselves or rationalize purchases is by thinking in terms of "I am paying for an upgrade" when we should think strictly in terms of "I am buying NVIDIA's current best GPU. Is their pricing in line with what the flagship product was last year, or am I getting screwed?" This should be the primary basis for the purchase decision rather than size of the uplift over last generation equivalent. The size of the performance uplift doesn't matter in the context of needing a new GPU. They need it to be priced based on what it is, not how much better it is or is not. If you think in terms of how much you are paying for an upgrade, an upgrade from what? Where one person measures is different than another. And, that could go the other direction and the price change would need to be smaller for those whose upgrade would be smaller. And, we know they wouldn't want to operate that way because it would be right.

AVX512 is coming back to Nova Lake. Except it’s the next gen called AVX10. Unfortunately HT is gone I think.

I can see them being useful for turdbook battery life. I am glad I no longer have much use for laptops. PC life is way better without them. I literally never waste a minute of my life thinking or caring about mobile trash any more. The whole concept that mobile computing is built around is perma-broken and undesirable to me now. IMHO these crappy smartphone cores have no acceptable place in a desktop CPU. They need to get rid of them entirely,ditch the chiplets/tiled crap, bring back hyperthreading and AVX-512, and stop burning calories making something stupid better than (not as crappy as) it used to be. It would take almost no effort for Intel to soundly beat any Ryzen 9 CPU by a large margin and make the gap too wide for any possibility of AMD being able to keep up if they did that. It is already close in spite of the Atom core garbage gumming up the works for Intel. Being close in spite of them isn't a win for Intel. It is just a lame excuse for a half-assed way of doing things. Close only counts in a game of horseshoes.

AMD is making 32 core Ryzen? I don't think so. They're changing to 12 core CCD, meaning max 24 cores 48 threads. Intel has already got the LPE cores (see useless cores for desktop) figured out. They've been using them since Meteor Lake laptops. I recently had a 285H laptop that had 2 LPEs and they worked only when watching something full screen on battery. They do a great job to extend the life of the battery when just doing media consumption. So not worthless for a laptop. But unless something changes (and it might) for Nova Lake, they cannot be used for heavy tasks, even if you try to force them on. Although, like I said, it might change and they might be usable for Nova Lake desktop. But back to the point, it's already been figured out on the scheduler side. Also this is like the 6th gen of disaggregated hybrid CPU for Intel. The scheduler works pretty great at this point, I have yet to see many if any issues with Arrow Lake scheduling. Nova Lake with 48 cores, no HT, is likely going to wipe the floor with a 48 thread Ryzen in Multithreading. 24 threads on Arrow Lake already compete with 32 threads on Zen 5. With thread parity, I don't see it going well for AMD. Not to mention the E cores just continue to get better and better each gen. If they do happen to get all 52 cores working together, it won't even be close IMO.

@Mr. Fox @Papusan @jaybee83 managed to fix the inconsistent cpu performance in gaming and high-Low CPU usage issues with Process Lasso with Performance and Idle Saver enabled. I didn't think I would be using Process Lasso during my Vista/7 days in 2025 with Windows 11. Windows 11 task manager is broken and doesn't calculate the right CPU frequency of Ryzen on both 23H2 and 24H2. Also, did a cache benchmark from AIDA64 using Strelec with only basic ryzen drivers installed and found the minimum memory latency to 97ns to 105ns compared to my aging skylake 6700hq with 54.5ns on 2667MHz DDR4 which might explain day to day latency I felt skylake was better than ryzen unless I run PS5 ported games and anything CPU heavy.

I am back on my Zorin OS equipped Dell insprion 3169 right now. I love this litte machine. I have a few setup issues I need to fix, like getting waydroid to work correctly. It does not access the wifi/Bluetooth etc on the laptop, the scrolling speed is WAY too fast, and I don't know how to slow it down. ha ha. Other than that I can live with this distro without issue. Next up is getting my server finally built and on linux. I was planning on doing that while I was recovering but damn, time flies.!

So, basically a 5090 Ti that they can charge more for because it is a "Pro 6000" LOL.

Well that's surprising. Get some. I have 5 of them. Be sure to get one with a backlight that stays turned on all the time. The Kill-A-Watt brand sucks because it has no backlight. There are some with a backlight that only turns on temporarily when you press a button. Those suck for the same reason. If you want to get really fancy you can program the cost per kW/h to project the cost of operation, but I don't waste my time with nonsense like that. These are my favorite. Big letters and very clean and legible from across the room, with a backlight that never turns off. It also has an internal battery and remembers what you set it to. No need to reapply all of your settings any time the power goes out or you move it to a new outlet. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BQNYMMM?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1 Prices are a little bit less retarded now. Still unacceptable and hard for me to rationalize a legitmate basis for buying one. If the least expensive models drop below $2000 I may consider buying one. I won't buy a 5090 unless the price is the same or less than what I paid for the Gigabyte 4090 that I sold. Not worth it IMHO. I'm not really benching much anymore and I don't care about having more game FPS than I already have. I find so little free time to devote to gaming that there isn't much incentive to buy one at such over-the-top idiotic prices. Anything less than 5090 that the Green Goblin has to offer is of no interest to me. I might consider the frivolous purchase of a 5080 at 9070 XT pricing. Otherwise, no... the juice isn't worth the squeeze and I'd feel like I was volunteering to get screwed.

Look at this thing man. Crazy. The silicon is so FRESH. https://youtube.com/shorts/POE4RDU_iL8?si=O_XzKLDZYpuLzE0Y @electrosoft https://youtu.be/40wojZVVGBk?si=YKkf-HSzPXFAh3_H

---in memory of all those who are not among us anymore Trees of Eternity - Sinking Ships (demo version)

I compared my RTX 5090 with my RTX 4090 from a previous video that I made. The game was Starfield @4K/ DLSS Quality+ Frame Gen. 4090 Max OC@98% GPU Usage=192fps 5090 Mild OC@96% GPU usage=272fps This is the exact same save game, and the same scene on both comparisons. The 5090 is +42% faster than the RTX4090. ^ This is pretty dang good! If my GPU usage was 98% with the 5090, it would be even more. Also, the 4090 was completely clapped out on overclocking. While the 5090 is not. It’s running a pretty mild overclock. Also, almost the same power consumption between these cards!!! 🥹 I can detune my 5090fe to like 335-350 watts in this game and still hold 270fps. I am seriously impressed! I made a video on this, and will share soon. The 5090 is definitely a HOSS.

Cliff notes: clock speed is still king when the core/thread count is equal, and sometimes even when it is not equal. mama mia!

That is an absolutely great trade-in value considering that is almost new MSRP for that GPU. But, if something seems to good to be true it probably is. There is an underlying motivation that we are not seeing and I can just about guarantee you that it is ultimately not going to be for the benefit of consumers. Someone else is going to benefit from it, not NewEgg's customers. It's not a generous gesture of goodwill. NewEgg is playing the auto dealership scam. Give you more than your trade-in is worth and then more than make up for it when they screw you six ways to Sunday on an overpriced new car. If it were a legit thing they would cash you out for $1600 nstead of giving credit on a new GPU purchase. Plus, it's still not enough money to offset the extreme overpricing of the 5090. I think stock has "stabilized" (aka sales have stagnated) only because people that would have wanted a 5090 have figured out they are getting sodomized and decided to not pay twice what one is worth. That describes where I am at with it. Do I want one? Yes. Am I willing to buy one? No, absolutely not. You're basically spending what it would take to buy two 4090s without getting double the performance and only having one GPU left in the end. That sucks real bad. If it was priced to value I would buy a 5090 and keep my 4090 to use in my second PC or have it on-hand as a spare. So, what seems like a good deal on the surface is still a truly horrible deal and the high trade-in price is probably nothing more than a desperate attempt to move stock on overpriced 5090 cards that are going to start losing value because not enough people are willing to take a shot in the heiney hole to have one. What I think might happen, or at least what I would like to happen, is AMD is going to launch another flagship that sells for half the cost of a 5090, runs like a 5080 or 4090 and all of these $3000+ abortions are going to suddenly not be sellable unless they slash the pricing 30% to 50%. I really hope that is what happens. It's exactly what NVIDIA and the greedy AIB partners deserve to have happen to them. They need to be pushed to the edge of the bankruptcy cliff. Not over, but close enough to scare the crap out of them. It needs to hurt so bad and hurt for long enough that they will not want to try it again any time soon. They don't care about us, so we need to stop caring about them. Our actions need put them into self-defense/survival mode. Those that will be hurt the most will be the poor unfortunate suckers that already drank the Kool-Aid and paid absolutely insane prices for a 5090. Does this mean I like AMD now? Nope. It doesn't and I don't. AMD sucks. But, putting up with their mediocrity and face-melting hotspot temps and slow VRAM is a better alternative than getting screwed. Look back over the months that have passed since 5090 first launched and take a talley on all of the missteps and shenanigans that have taken place. Besides not being worth it monetarily a lot of stuff was totally botched up. And, we still have the sucky 12VHPWR NVIDIA arson PCIe power connectors.