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hm, i wouldnt call a 50+% failure rate quoted by big Intel cpu customers "patently false". sure, "some" intel cpus at 65W or higher "may" never be affected, but at this point in time that can rather be considered the exception, not the rule. has nothing to do with Intel or AMD fanboyism... As for that HUB windows bug, thats not what i was referring to with regards to Zen 5. Sure, if it was ONLY the difference between Linux and W11, I would agree with you. But the benchmark data between reviewers are all over the place, and that includes games, not just applications in terms of AVX512 dependent or not (as @Papusan was trying to point out). I am not trying to "will" Zen 5 to be better. But at the same time you can't just wave the Intel flag and call it a day. Take Alder Lake with its first iteration of the baby cores: Windows scheduler initially had big issues properly addressing the P and E cores, correct? Those issues have since been addressed, and I think we can all agree that Alder Lake was a pretty good gen for Intel. If we had just looked at the very first reviews and said: Meh, performance crap, Alder Lake sucks, would that have helped any? Same principle applies here. With data all over the place, something must be amiss. In both cases, this has nothing to do with red team vs. blue team, it has everything to do with following the data and making proper sense of it.

Decided it would be time to switch my primary usb stick from USB-A to USB-C. While at it, im also downsizing from a 2242 to a 2230 M.2, so will be even more compact 🙂 Storage size will double from 1TB to 2TB. Havent gotten the M.2 just yet, but looking at the Corsair Mini MP600 R2 2TB with pcie 4.0 x4. ofc pcie 4.0 will not help with total throughput, since the case connector is limited to 10Gbps, but should help with IOPS and also power consumption @heat output.

welp, as mentioned in the other thread, with crappy firmware/microcode/core parking any cpu would be crippled, no surprise there. otherwise, why would linux show such perf gains for zen 5, even in games? same for some reviewers i.e. toms hardware (not talking about avx512 apps but also gaming. 1% at HUB vs. 8% is a huge margin of error!). AMD couldve just waited another month to sort stuff out before release. i mean, with intel cpus basically all breaking down, what have they got to lose? this is a total mess left and right...

damn, was juuuust about to post the HUB vid 😄

MLID just summed up VERY nicely why i got more and more confused yesterday as i dived into more and more 9950X reviews: the data doesnt make sense! in some reviews im seeing 10-20% perf. uplifts in productivity and gaming (i.e. tomshardware), where others like HUB show like 1-5%. wtf?! answer: AMD provided half-baked software/microcode for the new cpus. imagine this: the new zen 5 thread scheduler as part of the new AMD chipset driver CANNOT BE UNINSTALLED FROM THE OS once its installed. meaning: if u install windows on a zen 4 cpu and swap to zen 5, performance will be crippled. and vice versa! imagine what that will do for like 99% of reviews. this is so dumb, whoever came up with this at AMD 🙄💩

Interesting, Computerbase found that DDR5-8000 is significantly more easily achieveable on Zen 5 vs. Zen 4. In their case, they werent able to get any of their Zen 4 CPUs stable at DDR5-8000, whereas with Zen 5 it was basically just set and go: https://www.computerbase.de/2024-08/ryzen-9-9950x-ryzen-9-9900x-gaming-performance/3/ Nice pointer that the main bottleneck is the CPU and not the mobo 🙂 makes me hopeful to be able and dial in 8000+ with the X3D parts!

on to expanding the 5090 budget 😎

welp... kool, on the bright side: looks like ill still get around to tuning my 7950X 🤣 moving on to waiting for the X3D parts. hopefully AMD actually DID improve the Vcache and its not just same vcache slapped onto the Zen 5 parts 💩 btw, respective vids by GN, JTC, Roman, etc are also out, just couldnt be bothered to post all the links here 😋 interesting tidbit: Roman got a defective cpu, second one after GN's 9600X. not a good showing! CPUs crapping out on us left and right, Intel and AMD, yay....

yes of course. but i seem to remember that any chips (be it cpu or gpu) boosting out of the gate right up to the capability limit and leaving only measly few % points to manual OC didnt earn much happiness around here. soooo....what do we want, then? pushed to the limit out of the box or lots of OC headroom left on the table? 😄

good point, they might be saving their better silicon dies for the higher end skus or even the X3D chips. maybe thats the strategy to let the X3D parts clock higher?

this. +25% performance jump going from stock to OC. that still "meh" for you @papusan? 😄 here i thought we dont really give a damn about stock performance 😛 and thats not even delidded yet... but yes i still agree that the stock performance is VERY disappointing indeed. AMD put too much focus on efficiency this time around instead of letting their new cpus off the leash. i mean cmon, at this point in time NON-DEFECTIVE cpus are already a win against intel and their still developing 13/14th gen desaster... but of course, even more reason to hold back and play the intel playbook of yesteryear starting with 2nd gen.... ill be holding tight to my setup and see what the 9950X and the X3D variants bring to the table before making a purchasing decision. no rush this time 🙂

yeah i had already seen rumours on that online regarding pricing very comparable to Zen 4. lets hope this is not indicative of non-competitive performance vs. Intel and Zen 4 😄

shoot, had connection issues and my reply got lost.... anyways, long story short: - X670 vs. X870 are basically identical, the latter only has higher-end minimum requirements set by AMD - IO die was stated to be "overall the same" on Zen 5, but that leaves wiggle room for finetuning, i.e. higher real life benefits from higher DDR5 speeds - im expecting improved RAM support to come from the CPUs, not the mobos (notwithstanding 2 DIMM / higher-quality trace boards, but that goes for both X670 and X870) - ive since switched basically all my high-intensive CPU workloads to the GPU, so im more open minded to at least consider the X3D skus this time around. ill take my time and check the reviews first before making a purchase. good thing is, once the X3D chips are released, the regular chips will likely fall in price, so no real loss 🙂 (ill still pull the trigger on the 5090 on launch day tho 😄 wait and see game will be CPU only 😛)

sometime in the 50s or 60s. ud get all the economic boom era, not have to worry about climate change yet, enjoy stable jobs for basically ur whole working career, will be able to afford housing on a single fulltime salary, not have to worry about stuff like fake news or AI deepfakes, etc. BUT still get to enjoy lots of the goodies of the modern era in terms of tech, medicine, ease of travels, etc. only have to be a bit more careful when it comes to lead poisoning and food additives, those still ran rampant lol. but cant have it all i guess hahaha

yup, i have been keeping tabs on P5800X drives popping up on ebay, but damn those prices are just insaaaaaaaanne... ikr...PNY like WTF at first but when Vince explained it, totally makes sense! curious to see what will come out of it 🙂 too bad tho that KP cards are always late to the party, id rather grab a solid 5090 at launch and make the most of it with vbios cross flashes...

yup after this im actually thinking about going the X3D route this time... wanna see what info AMD will provide during their upcoming Tech Day, detailed info so far is scarce for Zen 5 parts.

LOL i seee what ure getting at. but read below. based on current trends in both CPU and GPU, it looks like we are headed into more and more complex territory with regards to theorizing performance metrics just based on specs alone. we started super simple: higher frequency = better then we went down the core road = more cores + IPC + higher frequency = better next we added cache, which became more important (at least in gaming benchmarks) than cores now we are heading into higher fragmentation still, with different core archs / designs, HT alternatives, I/O dies, etc. what im trying to say is: u cannot just state anymore that "more threads via HT is better" or "reach higher frequency = better" or "MOAR CORES = BETTER" etc. same goes for overclocking strats, straightforward set = get will likely be over soon. interesting times ahead!

thats what i was referring to. ure comparing stock zen 5 vs. max OC of your chip 😄

trigger finger is ready, skipping the upcoming X3D parts for higher productivity perf and more tuning flexibility 🙂 love the fact that AM5 support is now extended to 2027+ btw! sooo...ure comparing stock vs. max OC. right 😄 word @launch day facts. u got one side dooming intel for abandoning HT, the other side dooming AMD cuz Intel baby cores have MEGA IPC UPLIFT INCOMING. welp, lets wait and see whats actually up 🙂

dayum sounds like custom work with small volume, otherwise wouldnt make sense to have such pricing attached... any chance u can dig up those aliexpress links? curious to have a looksie 🙂

yup holding steady as u say 😄 keeping an eye out on 14900K / KS silicon on fleabay, K sku can be had for under 440€, which is pretty nice. cheapest KS is at 590€ with price offer option. id be interested to see if the 330W PSU would actually do anything, not that the board is hard limited to a specific max. wattage... whats the highest u were able to pull thus far? also, can you link those custom heatsinks?

well, theyre gonna replace hyperthreding with "rentable units", basically just a different approach to processing multiple threads at the same time. well have to wait and see how good that approach will actually be though.

phew im all about platform longevity, so going AM4 or socket 1700 wouldnt be an option in my book... especially if u want to build it out over time and keep upgrading.

dont mix up mobile 4090 with the full fat desktop verison, worlds of difference. id wait for the 5090, either u can snipe one right at launch (until then ull also have more money saved up) or u can grab a 4090 for much cheaper than now since it will not be top dog anymore 🙂

very cool video, didnt expect to enjoy it so much, has a lot of ASMR vibes hahaha