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Thanks, this will be a cool project for me and my son to spend some quality time tinkering with something more rewarding than a chintzy BGA book 😄 Brother @Mr. Foxhas gone above and beyond with this and I cannot recommend him highly enough. Will report back when it has all arrived which should hopefully be around the end of the month.

AMD has already mentioned the 7945HX when introducing the new naming convention: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/88355/amd-ryzen-cpu-naming-scheme-for-2023-makes-things-clearer-confusing/index.html Doubling the cores from one generation to the next and also offering substantial single core gains makes this AMD generation interesting again.

Welcome to TGP hell that has been a sad reality for high end / DTR laptop users for several years now. Nvidia produces the best cards but they have zero love for people who want something special and so they neuter their cards with overzealous TGP limits instead of just throttling at temps that Nvidia deems too high.

Thank YOU, Brother Fox, we will have a lot of fun with all of that 🙂

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Oh no, forrgot about that, let me correct my mistake: 4090 MEGA (AD104): up to 125W 4080 ULTRA (AD105): up to 100W 4070 GIGA (AD106): up to 75W That should do it as long as we add enough RGB 😁

Same chip but less power - understandable. Different chip but using the name of the top of the line GPU - disingenuous at best. I think we all agree that names matter and using the name of a GPU that in this generation may end up being twice as fast is getting ridiculous. And I will say again that in general there is a complete lack of ambition with regard to mobile products these days - how they did not even have the guts to up the TDP for this generation is beyond me. Even something like this would have made a nice difference when paired with the chipsets of the desktop cards: 4090 Mobile (AD102): up to 300W 4080 Mobile (AD103): up to 225W 4070 Ti Mobile (AD104): up to 150W No problem dissipating up to 400 or 450W for GPU and CPU in combined workloads with a proper vapor chamber solution and in fact cooling performance like that has been done before by Acer, Asus, Clevo and MSI. That would be more honest and if for some reason manufacturers think they cannot put the AD102 in a laptop they do not have to - in that case just do not offer a mobile 4090.

Yep, AM5 would be great with regard to longevity but the manufacturer would have to be behind the product. It would be a lot of fun to tweak the CPU side of things on one of those and of course upgrade in a generation or two 🙂 As an example neither the Clevo X170SM-G nor the MSI GT76 with 10900K could be upgraded to the next CPU generation. Now that was more of a sideways move anyway but who cares - would have been nice anyway to be able to upgrade. Same with an official upgrade path for the P870 and P775 beyond the Geforce RTX 2080 - it was all aftermarket and special bios mods by people like @Premaand dsanke. And the same goes for the two upgradeable 15" platforms that Clevo has released for the Am4 and 1700 sockets - no upgrade to the latest and greatest CPUs is possible for now, let's see if that will change for the 1700 platform. So it is very much possible that I will end up with something like a MSI GT88 or CreatorPro X18 at some point even if it is a silly BGA book - can't buy what isn't there and I surely would not trust Clevo to support a CPU socket for multiple generations when for three platforms in a row they have failed to give us the upgradeability that would have been possible on the hardware side.

It would really help if both Intel, Nvidia and to a lesser degree AMD would stop being so disingenious and call a spade a spade. For example I would guess that in a proper DTR design with a unified vapor chamber and Uniwill / TongFang style liquid cooling the RTX 3060, i9-12900HX and i9-13900HX could come relatively close to their desktop counterparts but how is this supposed to happen when the laptop chips aside from their lower power budget also have less cuda/ performance or efficiency cores than the desktop versions? Then there are of course the laptops that do not even make the best out of the lesser chips they are given as their power envelope / cooling capacity isn't what it used to be. In this generation even with more capable cooling GPUs are limited by that silly 175W power limit imposed by Nvidia. On the other hand CPUs are hampered by throttling at well below 150W even in CPU-only workloads and with the chips being capable of going up to at least 200W.

And the 18" screen is only about 5mm wider than a 16:9 17.3" screen which means that in a chassis with a slightly wider bezel and some vertical room around the screen like the Dell 7770 or the last Lenovo 17" it could still fit.

More like same old, same old except for the performance that you got to agree would be a huge increase over the Razer Blade 17 from this year that had a geekbench that was below 10K which is really disappointing. Regarding soldering I don't expect anything exciting, just the usual ability to swap memory, storage and the wifi card and of course the battery. CPU and GPU will be soldered. But to be honest for something that I would use maybe 2 years under warranty I am more interested in upgradeability and that would be very limited if I was already getting my laptop at the end of the lifecycle of the 1700 socket. For the next laptop generation only the AM5 socket would make sense as that would give us several generations of upgrades. As we have learned that is unlikely to come from Clevo but MSI and other manufacturers could pull it off as they are doing motherboards, too so they will be in a better position to support such a platform. Not that I am betting on that happening but it would be kind of cool to have a 7950 in a laptop 😄

Coming from Razer that geekbench result is certainly surprisingly good especially since it is unlikely to have been attained with a number of tuning measures to further improve it. As they can do vapor chamber they obviously would be a in a good position to make this great with regard to performance so it will be interesting to see how this plays out. The screen could be one of the two new innolux screens: https://www.panelook.com/N180GME-GAA_Innolux_18_LCM_overview_55483.html https://www.panelook.com/N180JME-GAA_Innolux_18_LCM_overview_55484.html So it would be at least 165HZ and 2560 x 1600 resolution and 16:10 which in my opinion is the best resolution for this screen size and a very good aspect ratio.

With a top end config you are probably looking at a board price of up to 2000$ whereas a mainboard for a Clevo DTR of old may be closer to 500. Also a great use of resources to toss aside all that tech when only the CPU, GPU or something on the mainboard isn't working anymore. If one is to keep a BGA book for any amount of time then not without an extended warranty that lets manufacturers deal with their product once it breaks.

That keyboard is essentially turning the ipad into a macbook of sorts and people complain that it is too heavy? Incredible! Stupid thinking like that should be called out whenever we encounter it. We need to speak up whenever we see something like that and answer directly to these misguided posts. Looking at the posts that complain about a 7lbs laptop you would think that the primary users of it will be teenage girls when in fact it will be adult men who are generally able to lift things that are a lot heavier than that. I have a variety of laptops that range from 8 to about 16 lbs and up to 10 I still find it OK to grab the laptop with one hand if it is stable enough, above that it does not feel right anymore but up to 12 lbs I would still consider the weight manageable. Now we can probably be lucky to ever get another laptop that weighs even 9 lbs. To be clear I am not a fan of weight for weights sake but more weight may for example mean a socketed CPU and/or GPU and a vapor chamber design, more slots for memory and storage and of course a bigger screen - hard to do all of that when 7 lbs is considered heavy already.

I need a laptop so these developments pain me. I got to tell you that you still have it so much better in the desktop space and the fact that laptops have fallen behind so much is only exacerbated by making them smaller and smaller while in a desktop you can go as big and crazy as you want compared to the ever shrinking laptop chassis. As for the companies they would probably produce more big laptops if they would sell better but the average consumer wants portability to an unhealthy degree and the likes of us just aren't numerous enough. A good example is the recent MSI "Titan" that in many reviews has been criticized for being so heavy when it is about 7 lbs in weight. That was considered relatively light for a 17" laptop not too long ago and look where we are now where this is as big and heavy as it gets.

Sounds very good - I have done up to 200 or 300 incremental backups and could still mount recover. That sounds pretty cool, still do not have that due to speed limitations in the possible locations. Folders are no problem at all and very easy to mount and access. I have started to use folder backup this year and it has been very helpful already for a number of occasions where an older version of a file needed to be accessed.

Get it, it is worth it. If you have the amount of storage you do you can even do the backups on a drive in your system so when your laptop has issues like the one you have now you can restore it no problem. I have been using an on-laptop and off laptop backup for some time now and it is the best solution for a laptop that usually is not always where the external backups are. In the paid for version Macrium now also has intradaily backups which assures that you can go back to right where you were before you installed some faulty drivers or other software mishaps. If you buy it please put in the code 1610ftwMR so that I get a bit of a commission - just kidding 😄 I like the program and have used it for about 16 years now.

We have a lot of smart stuff these days: high end processors with huge intergenerational multicore performance jumps (slightly) bigger screens coming back very smart unified vapor chamber designs models with pretty good bios options liquid cooling But no company is putting enough of this together and especially not in a socketed chassis. Still curious what that Razer will be able to pull off once it is out even though there is only so much that can be done in a slim chassis and with processors that in their deskop version consume up to 300W. https://wccftech.com/razer-blade-18-gaming-laptop-with-intel-24-core-i9-13900hx-5-4-ghz-cpu-leaks-out/

If it is the 18" screen that popped up before then it will not really cause laptops to get much bigger as the screen will only be about 5mm wider than the 17.3" screens we are used to have, probably would fit into the same size chassis as the X170 but 5mm wider. It will be about 27mm taller though which is nice for workstation use and the overall screen real estate will go up by about 14%. So we are unlikely to get back the taller and wider machines of the past but as somebody who needs a laptop I will take what I can get. Overall I am a bit tired of the whole laptop (non-)upgrading game and at this point I would probably settle for an 18" MSI with AM5 AMD socket if that is supported for several generations - something to play with for a number of years without the constant urge to upgrade. And MSI should be in a better position to support this than Clevo as they also build motherboards.

At least where I live I would only do that when I have tried everything that does not include opening the laptop. Not worth the hassle when performance is actually pretty good and there may be a bit of an issue with opening and repasting when this is a possible return/exchange candidate.

I would first exhaust all other options in the bios and with Intel XTU or Throttlestop. I think that others have mentioned that you should be able to sustain 75 to 80W in a longer Cinebench run and if you can get that then a repasting will probably not bring that much of an advantage. Your Performance settings are not much better though than a 7760 with the 11800H so there is the possibility that you got a real lemon in the heatsink department.

Do you have the Scar with the 3080 Ti? Only that model has the LM and vapor chamber. There is also a possibility that the Asus was somehow cherry picked if Jarrod got it from Asus themselves but 23K is imo entirely possible with LM and a vapor chamber and not too far away from what MSI delivers in the GE67 which does not have a comparable cooling solution. I think it is pretty annoying that there is very little individuality with regard to the ability to combine screens, cooling, CPU and GPU - why would I not want the vapor chamber with the 3070 Ti, too? When given the choice I am sure that many would like to pay a bit more for LM and the vapor chamber and avoid a laptop that runs hotter and throttles more.

Got an answer on Jarrod's site: He basically does 3 10 minute runs back to back with just enough time to capture the results. So if he gets for example runs of 24, 23 and 22K he will then average that to 23. He is also keeping the temps steady in his room at 21 degrees which makes his scores very much comparable.

Or throw in the 12850HX and the RTX A1000 for another 300: 7770 refurb That is a fantastic deal if Dell would sell the interposer for the classic RAM separately in case one needs more than what Dell put in.

Another review courtesy of pcmag.com https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/msi-creatorpro-x17 Overall rather positive but I got to laugh at the supposed lack of portability - if you cannot carry 7 pounds plus a smaller power supply for mobile use then it is probably time to do something about that, we used to carry a lot more and did not have that kind of especially CPU power at our disposal. As usual no mention of the true downside which is the soldered GPU and especially CPU but why mention it when it is mostly a thing of the past...