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Checking a few Linux distros would be nice other than that I think that you already got your plate quite full but it would be nice to hear how the 7770 performs in day to day operation with multiple monitors and a docking station if you are using one as that is where I found the 7670 a bit flaky with HDMI sound being an issue from time to time. In the end I went back to getting more stable (still not perfect but a lot better) sound from directly outputting HDMI via the connector on the 7670. As you treated yourself to the full 128GB I am also curious to hear if it behaves any different from the previous memory in the way it fills up. With 4 memory sticks I always have an issue where it feels that the memory does not really like to be filled up to lets say 110 out of 128GB. It feels like maybe 15 to 20% of the memory not being in use works out better. Would be interesting to know if you also have noticed that in your use and if that changes with a single CAMM module.
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Nahimic 3 UAD Modified Driver for Unsupported MSI Hardware
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A bit late to the party but my GT72 and GT75 would like to know about the benefits of using this. I take it that they are currently on Nahimic 2 which means there are features missing not working? Or is this a case of if you have to ask you don't need it? 😄 -
So flight attendants are the true culprits for the demise of the mighty DTR. And the idiots who tried - and failed - to stuff their P870 with two power supplies and some portable monitors into the overhead luggage compartment 😄
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It has gotten quite ridiculous: https://top-handgepaeck-koffer.de/masse-und-gewicht/ You will see the many entries with 8 kg and also with 7 or even 6, so the lower entries are between 13 and 18 lbs. There should be a reasonable minimum with regard to weight and volume for one piece as right now it is impossible to keep up with this madness.
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Yep - nice to have 560W when benching and I fully support that concept If there is another real X170 successor I hope that Clevo will learn from their mistakes and allow only one power supply or alternatively to power and charge via USB-C. With the new 240W standard I would only have neded more power than that for benching where my unit pulled a little bit above 300W even with the RTX3060. As for being a mule I have no issues to carry the weight but many airlines do not allow carry-on luggage beyond 22 lbs anymore and sometimes the limit is even set at 18 lbs - just about enough for a naked X170, the power supplies and the power cables - the backpack would have to stay home 😄
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Might be because of no signature but I have so much stuff sitting around that I would not want to mention as sadly it is mostly BGA CPUs 😁 The KM-G was my main driver for a while but I had some weight and handling problems while travelling and what drove me nuts was that it was very difficult to reliably drive a three external monitor setup with it and I also had massive issues with the X170 refusing to properly go to sleep and waking up from it regardless of the monitor issue. I had workstations and high end gaming laptops from Clevo, MSI, HP and Dell and the only ones that gave me constant troubles with three monitors and waking up and sleeping were the P870DM and the X170KM-G. I had to do so many reconnects on a daily basis to get all three monitors back that I went for a Dell 7760 as my daily driver. It has two cores less and I also lost about 10 to 15% multicore capability but it made life a lot easier. When travelling it weighs about half of what the Clevo weighs which is mostly due to the inability to go on the road with the Clevo and a small single power supply in my carry-on luggage. With an average power draw of well below 150W it is really annoying that the imbecile engineers at Clevo forced me to travel with two huge power bricks and two big power cables even when I did not need that kind of power for what I was doing on the road.
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Yep, I think I asked about it some pages ago but nobody has yet tried it - may look great but have issues with making proper contact or other things which is why I am reluctant to push brother @electrosoft to get it 😁
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I see you found it 🙂 I would probably start tinkering in Throttlestop or XTU to find the appropriate settings if that is possible. That is easier than having to go back to the bios multiple times. @electrosoft has tweaked his GL66 so he may be able to give some pointers but in general I would expect for the CB23 number to go up during the run and you should be able to hit at least 21K if not more. Have you checked how much sustained power draw you can manage and how the temps change? As for Time Spy you will have to mostly tweak the GPU settings for that and that will mostly have to be MSI Afterburner if I am not mistaken but maybe there are also settings in the overclocking menu that you can use for the GPU; no idea. When I did some Time Spy runs I noticed that temps always were an issue as the Nvidia likes to start throtteling and very low temperatures compared to CPUs so you may get good results massaging your Afterburner curve. I think I was able to go from something like 8200 to 9600 on the RTX 3060 when I played around with it with no other changes made.
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140W is quite impressive given the seriously underpowered heatsink! 17.5K on 121W for the GL66 is awesome, almost makes me furious how fast these tiny BGA books can be. Did you get to those scores with MSI bios and other software tweaks only did you also repaste or do some other physical changes? Speaking of tiny BGA books pulling ahead notebookcheck posted a CB23 score of more than 22K for a GE67HX which again is stunning if you think about the form factor. All while the X170 chassis is not getting any further use for desktop CPUs:
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Good, that should be a fairly even comparison then. The KM-G came with some kind of no-name paste that I assume was delivered by Clevo. As I only went for the GPU to come with the laptop but not the CPU I had to apply the paste myself when putting in the 10850K. I have now checked and according to Throttlestop it needed 177W and 86 degrees to achieve 4.9 GHz on all cores - not as cool as yours but partly it may be the paste or how I applied it. That was with CB20 so I will have to redo a benchmark run with CB23.
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What is the highest CPU power draw that can be achieved for this chassis so far? Wasn't it something like only 120W? Hopefully Prema will be able to help so that it can be increased to some degree.
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Haha, disabling cores for higher clock speeds is not something I was ever interested in but I can see the use for gaming due to lower power consumption. Looking forward to hear for how much those 5.4 on all cores will be good, should be above well above 17500.
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Ah, now I remember - you only looked at those max speeds to determine which chip has superior performance for your use but you did not actually plan to use it that way. Found your score on page one - 16500 on 10 cores with 180W is a very good point of comparison for the 10850K in my KM-G. Obviously not prema-fied so I am curious to see what kind of results can be achieved. I think I ran into some thermal throtteling at some point as that 10850K isn't delidded and just using regular paste.
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@electrosoftand @Clamibotmind sharing your CB23 multicore results? 5.3 and 5.4Ghz on all cores is very impressive!
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Got a tube of TF8 here and may try that soon. According to Thermalright there only is a gradual increase in effectiveness from TF7 to TFX that goes as follows: TF7: 12.8W/mK TF8: 13.8W/mK TFX: 14.3W/mK The biggest issue is of course that in laptops nothing is ever easy and straight so that lots of time has to be spent on perfecting what is inherently very far from perfect.
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Looks like the 3070 Ti that for now the systems with the 12800HX are somehow gimped at least for Time Spy: Looking at the leaderboard for all 3070 Ti systems there are a bunch of users with I believe the GE76 or a Uniwill/Tongfang chassis that average about about 2000 more in the graphics score which is more than most 3080 Ti systems!
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I posted the video as it also shows (minimal) speed differences between DDR5 at 3600 and 4800.
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Understood - it really sucks to not be able to properly improve the cooling on these if one is not keen on voiding the warranty and then paying obscene amounts of money for the whole BGA extravaganza. It is funny how one can look at the chassis of the GT77 or GE77, turn off the lighting and they look at least enough business like not to be an embarrassement in a professional setting and then we have the ROG laptops that are screaming "I am a gamer" including some silly sound effects when being turned on.
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Oh no, not back to 64 GB again, memory usage over here usually oscillates between 70 and 90 GB (currently 88) so that is no option. Interesting that you mention the 3600 speed limit - that is really quite low compared to the 4800 max that is possible with 64 GB but it really only seems to be important if you are interested in the last one or two percent of speed in some benchmarks or gaming so I wouldn't lose any sleep about it. Here is a video from der8auer about a DDR5 to DDR4 comparison and it also shows DDR5 speeds of 3600 and 4800 - very small differences:
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Even if I would get 15% off it would still be a lot of money spent where before I could just have used my existing memory. In the long run I am sure that prices will go down if other manufacturers get on board but at least for this generation Dell is the only company offering it so it is what it is.
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That sounds like very good savings for a product that has not even come to market and IF you want those 5 years ProSupport. Never mind that you are still dropping something like 5.5K on a laptop 😁
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This is definitely a year where I would suggest to sit things out for people who need a 17.3" classic work station and 128 GB. Dell is the only choice and imo just too much because of that. For people who do not need a swappable GPU the MSI CreatorPro X17 may be an alternative but it is limited to various combinations of the 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti with the 12800X and 12900X, no other CPU and GPU options. And the screen is 4k 120Hz only.
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I would first suggest to check the mode that was recommended by @win32asmguy and then have a look at the bios. For very simple undervolting you can probably just go with Throttlestop alone, I have yet to encounter a higher performance PC or laptop where it did not work for me with an undervolt of usually between 50 and 125mV. Here is the guide that I used for it first time and what I always adjust (if available) is the undervolting and the multipliers: https://www.ultrabookreview.com/31385-the-throttlestop-guide/
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I just checked the configurator for Dell Germany and as expected the CAMM modules are an issue. Last generation I got the 7760 with 32 GB of memory and 256GB of storage and I was able to upgrade my system from there. The final configuration of a total of 9 TB SSD NVME TLC storage and 128GB memory added about 1650 Euro. Right now I would have to pay 1970,11 Euro for an upgrade to 128GB CAMM memory alone!
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