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10 to 15% TimeSpy sounds about right which is even more impressive with about 20% less power.
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clevo p870tm/tm1-g Official Clevo P870TM-G Thread
1610ftw replied to ViktorV's topic in Sager & Clevo
A 50% increase should not be a problem with the card running at the usual 175W power limit and possibly even at 150 to 160W. The 3080 already had 16GB memory and is good for gaming at QHD resolutions so spending that much money for a ca 30% increase in performance strikes me as not that desirable especially for something that is not a plug and play solution. -
Do a TimeSpy test then, that is a better comparison. I doubt you will exceed 12000 GPU score with the 2080 Super and that CPU will probably end up closer to 7000.
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Excellent, that should help with the lower end and with multitasking!
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clevo p870tm/tm1-g Official Clevo P870TM-G Thread
1610ftw replied to ViktorV's topic in Sager & Clevo
The 4090 is so expensive that I would want to see something like a 50% increase over the 3080 that recently has come down in price a lot but that will be very difficult to achieve with a 135W power limit! -
That is a huge increase in average framerate - is it possible you are a bit CPU limited with the 2080 Super setup? Also you may want to increase memory on the 3080 laptop as tests have shown that minimum framerates go up when you have 32 and even 64GB or memory and 2 x 8 certainly will limit you to some degree. I found this some time ago and found it quite interesting and my son has seen more stable fps after going from 32 to 64 so 32GB is certainly a safe bet but if you are running something on the side on a second monitor I would always go for at least 64GB: In any case even with these caveats it looks like the 3080 is worth it and I hope these results make you a bit happy 🙂
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I use Samsung 4x32GB M471A4G43AB1-CWE memory and it has been very reliable at 3200: https://semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/module/sodimm/m471a4g43ab1-cwe/ I would expect that others would work, too but I have used 4 x 32GB Samsung with 2666 or 3200 speed in several DTRs and never had an issue so this is what I recommend. They can usually be found at reasonable prices like for example here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/126520675938?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=0VY4BP18QcS&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=-GYTnvb3TOm&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
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If you want to reduce then use Throttlestop 🙂 Download version 9.4 and it should let you play with multipliers and a slight undervolt up to the 10900K https://www.techpowerup.com/285686/techpowerup-throttlestop-v9-4-released or you can use 9.3 for an easier to use interface for CPUs up to 8 cores: https://www.techpowerup.com/278547/techpowerup-throttlestop-9-3-released It allows you to have 4 presets and it is pretty easy to switch between them. Another nice bonus is that it allows you to switch Windows power modes that Windows has been hiding from us for some time now. I would assume that an undervolt of -75/-25 should be very stable if you want to use even less power and at 3.5GHz the fans should be more or less inaudible with only 6 cores.
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Haha, that is quite unimpressive 😄 If it was unlocked before and you did not do anything to the bios I would try ThrottleStop for the CPU but I doubt that you can do much as this is not an unlocked CPU. Maybe some undervolting will be possible but it is unlikely you can increase the clock speeds, just decrease.
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if you needed to switch power modes in windows could you not do that with the Obsidian suite of apps? Agreed on MSI Afterburner, it is another program that I do not like that much but it is useful to limit the power that goes to the card, increase efficiency and of course it is essential for benching. I thought it was mandatory to use special curves for maximum results but have stopped using them as editing the curve is a huge pita as the curve editor is stunningly hard to use and a complete waste of time imo for benching which is all I do with my GPUs when I play with MSI Afterburner. Nvidia could do a good job emulating what Afterbruner does but leave it to them to somehow mess things up by limiting how much you can increase clcok and memory speed or something else. Yes I love Throttlestop - It does what it needs to do, gives good feedback, has nice taskbar infos that are configurable, a good support and their design is small and unobtrusive and not all over my desktop. From my own experience it is excellent for unlocked Intel consumer CPUs from 6th to 11th gen and still pretty usable for 12th to 14th gen and locked versions that can be undervolted.
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Have you enabled overclocking in the bios and set max multipliers high enough to make your adjustments work? Not sure if that is even necessary with the Prema bios or if it is already maxed out for soemthing like 5.2 GHz all cores 🙂 I you have then it should work and if it doesn't it is just Clevo Control Center (CC) acting up again. As I consider it a very bad piece of software I have never used it myself and only use Throttlestop 9.4 und Windows with the all P-Core Intel systems. I like to use different profiles on the go and when stationary so that is the best option for me. I would at most use CCC for the RGB lighting and maybe the power modes but different options for fans, CPU and GPU. I use: CPU: Throttlestop 9.4 GPU: MSI Afterburner (for benching only, my GPU is not doing much most of the time) fans: Clevo Fan Control I also consider Clevo Control Center to be an exceptionally hideous program/app, it hurts my eyes. I would say that it looks about as good as it works... For me it is now hidden it on another system partition so that from time to time I can adjust my keyboard RGB with it, that is all I still need to use it for.
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Yep, I think we are in agreement here, the most important thing is to look at the use case. With a lot of stuff running in parallel it will be nice to have more cores and probably for 4x32GB at 3200 but if somebody wanted fast and big (4TB or more) storage times 4 or certain very fast running single core application the 11900K has to stay etc.
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I only tried the software that people had successfully used for their Clevo units so CCC, CFC and RLEC as at the time Obsidian was not available any more so now I use CFC.
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Yes there is an ipc gain but on the other hand I have found 10 cores to help me more than higher ipc for my more multicore intensive use case so this is something that @giltheone will have to decide for himself depending on his needs. When a 4th SSD is essential there is the option to use a 2TB 2230 SSD in the Wifi slot but that is definitely an rather less helpful limitation Here is a video where a bunch of test have been made with both CPUs that are not just gaming and that may give an idea: Apart from that there seems to be a hint at more stability with the 10th gen CPUs in the KM-G with nobody who had inexplicable problems using a 10th gen CPU and then there are the memory issues, too so it will depend on the specific needs and use cases of users.
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Sounds like a plan and until then the 11900K is no slouch either 🙂
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I do not think that anybody managed to reach them recently but there was some talk about another company they now have so maybe you can contact them through that? Sync to hottest device value is a cool option and it would be great if somebody could add it to Clevo Fan Control (CFC). It is clearly the best thing to do in the days of unified heatsinks as now both fans are CPU and GPU fans anyhow as they cool down the whole heatsink. Regarding the full load scenario you can achieve that automatically in CFC by setting the temp thresholds to 80C as then both CPU and GPU fan will ramp up when either the CPU or GPU crosses that threshold. I have set up mine to the lowest fan noise that I still consider acceptable which is 27 for CPU and 24 for GPU and if there is more ambient noise I go up to 30. I keep the GPU fan speed flat up to 80 and for the GPU up to 70 and then I only ramp up to max when CPU or GPU go above 80C or I set it to a minimum of 50 as a base with heavier loads as that is also an option. Imo it is the best alternative for you until you hopefully get the Obsidian app sorted out. When I tried RLEC it seemed to have some advantages like support for two GPU fans but it made my fans click when going from one temperature range to the next, it was rather annoying. CCC is an abomination and I am glad that I finally managed to get rid of it so I would not use that considering that CFC also has the default Clevo fan curve as an option.
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The Dell Precision 7720 is an excellent pick as it is the last Precision model with MXM GPUs. It is deplorable that they went from supporting MXM to their own standard that does not even have compatibility in their own machines from one generation to another. About that 4K screen: Hopefully the drivers allow for integer scaling as then it can be made to look like a 1080p screen. My MSI WT75 with the P4200 does not seem to have that option but maybe it could be available in the 7720.
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Surprised it was still working as it stopped working for others some time before. How did the ramping up of both fans work in the Obsidian App? It is a very good functionality for a unified heatsink that I have to manually adjust for in the Clevo Fan Control app. I usually adjust both fans to a base of 50 for higher loads which is only one click but it would be nice to have it automated according to the desired bahaviour.
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First off I am pretty sure there is a lot of traffic in the benchmark thread from @Mr. Fox but I will concede that this is not really a laptop thread but a very cool one where I have to watch myself as one can take half a day to catch up on everything in it 😄 But there also seems to be about equal amounts of traffic between the Alienware, Dell and Clevo section so it is not just socketed laptops any more. As for laptop and the future of LGA having an impact on the forum I am not that sure we really need new LGA systems in order for the forum to survive, it is not that bad. Imo a general problem apart from the LGA / BGA question is that today all laptops are more or less lame compared to what we used to have as they lack ambition and excitement and even an exciting BGA laptop manufacturer with a good TB5 implementation and possibly watercooling could turn the tide for some people who would like to be able to have a mobile high performance option. Then there is the operating system section that I think could also expand more if more people move to Linux so W10 will not be the end of it all. So lots of areas of the forum that do not just depend on socketed so I am not worried that this will have much of an impact. Having a good community and people who prefer this part of the internet is probably the most important part anyway and in time more depth in different areas will come if people shift interest.
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Congratulations, you cracked 13000! I also see that temps went down a lot, was that with liquid cooling?
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Would not really make sense to mention the comeback part if it only means Framework just after he already mentioned them. If it is supposed to be a comeback it would need other manufacturers / designs. Maybe all of that was postponed as a lot of stuff did not seem to be quite ready yet and there were neither more upgradeable nor non-upgradeable workstations / DTRs / gaming flagships announced from any manufacturer.
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Over here the going prices for the 11900K and the 10900K are almost identical. If it is similar where you live then I suggest to just swap your 11900K for a 10900K and then you can also have 128GB with 3200. At least this is what I got with the 10900K and the latest XMG bios + EC.
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You only like it because you came in second 😉 Just kidding but for now I am not interested because All my previous benchmarks were in TimeSpy. Not enough scores for comparison as currently Steel Nomad DX12 has 340 scores while TimeSpy has more than 360000 - I prefer to compare with as many scores as possible.
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Not sure how you try to do 4K 120 - via HDMI or MDP connector? And that is a nice score - 13000 is near 🙂 The temperature looks quite high though, is that with max fans? For benching I always use max fans to have a better base for comparison. In any case you may want to go to 180 / 720 and reduce the GPU temperature at the same time, it should not go higher than 70C if you want max performance and for anything up to 175W that should not be an issue.
