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  1. GuitarG
    Well, RTX is on it's way 😄 Tracking says I have to wait until friday... wish me luck !
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    True, GTX980 worked with both LVDS (much better compability) and DC (worse compability). With DC screen it worked only in pure UEFI, no fastboot, up to some version of drivers only - 371? or 391 ? I don't remember. So 965m should work too, same family or GPUs. Btw,RTX 4000 showed up on auction sites, even some 3000 "normal 3.0b mxm" version... But I have to be a little more patient, 5000 is much more efficient and better designed (E.g core size and more bios versions). I think new *adventure* should begin in 1-2 months 😄 In next week I'll try to retrofit hifi creative soundcard to bypass internal DAC and AMP. I wonder if internal speakers will work better. In meantime I restored old IBM (shoving SSD in 28 year old laptop or trying to make retro lap dock for Dex - can't beat that) with cool lifting keyboard mechanism - look up ibm 760 how it opens. That kind of mechanism makes whole heatsink work up to 50% more efficient (E.g. a lot more cold air for fan) - tested by 1h long experiments with palmrest on/off, one fan / two fans, different thermal material etc. I will see if it would be possible to adapt 8570w to such things
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    Nope, no need to do any more work, just plug it in
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    Hello ! I know what would be your problem ! If your charger light dissapears as fast as putting it into DC In - you have short right there! Don't worry, it is easy one. You have to check with multimeter those three mosfets, turn on continuity test one probe at one end of mosfet and second probe at other end of same mosfet. You will hear sound meaning very low resistance - for those elements it means "we are dead". What to do ? Simple ! Just buy three same mosfet, new ones and replace them with hot air station. Even better would be buying 6 of them, inserting in non populated areas near existing ones. You will split heat and work they have to do, so they won't get damaged ever. Probably. I don't remember mosfet's model, you will have to use magnifier to read it My first mod was repaired gtx980 that shorted in someone's Clevo or Alienware ^_^ bought for like 10$. Mosfets were pricier, 15$ with shipping. I could help you myself, but I'm located in Poland. Cheers ! 🙂
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    Biggest bottleneck is chipset, Turing architecture last one for PCI Express 3.0, I'm not sure if 4.0 is backward compatible. Dell from 7x20 gen have NGFF format only (Pascal Px200 onwards). Also when you dissasembly NGFF connector, you have to buy new one for 100-200$. They really don't want anyone to make upgrades themselves. EDIT: I mean, they don't want to make upgrades ourselves*
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    Turing gen cards all have vBIOS chip on board already, no need to program and solder. And because of that decision in designing, my laptop will properly drive fan without third party app - because all vbios will be on card only, unlike previous generation. I had found about 13 vBIOS for 5000 version on techpowerup https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=Uploads&manufacturer=&model=Quadro+RTX+5000&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since= Boards from HP zbook, judging by clock boosts, is between 80-85w max. Thanks, I will try to check out listings. From autopsy, in zbooks and elitebook from 2012-13 era they used meshed heatpipes.
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    After spending few night contemplating about modification I know that core heatsink mount (X shape) will be without any work compatible, but there is much bigger problem. Card is wider near connector - meaning I have to change how touchpad and fingerprint sensor connects to board. Easiest would be to connect with wires, but I want it to be more elegant and disconnectable. First idea in mind is to bend them or use flat connector instead. Still better though than 8770w situation - in bigger brother there is keyboard connector just next to MXM board... Sometime ago thought about using those heatpipes, but they're inferior to HP original ones, in hp they're meshed inside, meaning better performance. Those I had found in Ali were just copper filled unfortunately. They do work, ofc. I have so much heatsink parts I can make three different versions and compare them to find best solution practicaly. Can use thermal cam. My observations with heatsink I have in use is that heatpipes now used are enough, bottleneck lays within material of heatsink - some kind of aluminium alloy, 3 times worse themal cap than pure copper. Best of best options is to use vapor chamber for gpu and cpu piece - that piece I have heats up unevenly. Heatpipes are coldest compared to rest, so they work efficiently, exhaust is properly cooled, so it's also in perfect state now. I need to order about 5mm thick copper plate and cnc route for heatpipes and screw. I think same idea were in Clevo or alienware, where one could buy fully copper heatsink instead of aluminium (original). RTX 5000 from zbook g6 will have between 70-80W of power, so it's 30-40W less than P5200 ^_^ So it may be overkill, but I would love to have both CPU and GPU 60C degrees in maximum usage scenario. Full copper may also render additional fan useless, meaning less dB. Better codecs, more battery life. With P5200 I had almost no use on both processors when watched 4k video on YT, thanks to VP9 codecs. I do not worry for making it boot and work since I know that card works in M6700 and 6800, iMac 2nd gen CPU from 2011 and others. There is chance it won't work, maybe 1% I think.. nobody tried it with HP, excluding zbook g2 and g3 - but that's different build architecture.
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    Have you seen this man solving ACPI trouble for P5200 ? That is a nice one there https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/imac-2011-maxwell-and-pascal-gpu-upgrade.2300989/page-26?post=32731488#post-32731488
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    Is it "Hardware GPU Scheduling" ? I heard it is problematic
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    You will need to have EDP display like DC screen for Pascal generation. As for heatsink, be sure to cover those FETs and VRAMs. They may get some damage if not cooled with heatsink. GPU core can atleast throttle itself in power to try cooling down. VRM can't. And as for second question, I'm from Poland. Yeah! I totally forgot third option. Biggest issue is to find good quality heatpipes - unable to manufacture them myself. Shape is critical, OEM make them individually. I have to draw them on paper to write pros and cons for each options. For now I have to wait for someone to buy my "old' quadro to order rtx. Already on auction site 😄 EDIT: Oh, and most important thing - I'm not 100% sure if card will work with this system. Some users reported card working with third gen intel chipsets alienware laptops, but they have integrated GPU architecture. My 8570w works purely with dedicated GPU. I know that RTX works for 100% with zbook 17 g3, I had re-read some forums. There were some questions about T1000 and 8570w, but no one answered or delivered message. At least it's PCI Express 3.0 x16, so in theory..
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    *In professor from Futurama voice* Good news everyone! Sometimes to get futher you need to take step back - and I am taking one giant step back in this moment... I went back to Quadro K1000M and I will sell my Quadro P5200.. Why? Because I need some money to make upgrade up to Quadro RTX 5000 😄 Yes, in few weeks I am going to buy that card. And mod the hell out of cooling. I will buy piece of copper, use CNC and make final version of cooling. Additionally I will need 8740W CPU heatpipes and biggest question is - what's better, to combine CPU and GPU heatpipes or make it separate. Searching for some calculations or math formulas to answer it mathematicaly, my experience suggest separate thermal mass will behave better. Will see. And as always I will share my adventure to you all! I hope you will get as much dopamine kick as I do right now😄 PS. I used photo from other users of this forum. Not so much comparison media or even photos of said mxm boards.
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    If it is your first upgrade, I recommend getting RTX 3000. Why ? It's newest, it can work with RTX only tech like DLSS, it's still updated for few next years, it will use much less energy for same job than older cards. By upgrading from GTX980 to P5200 I had at least 1hour more on battery. Remember though, you will have to make heavy modification to heatsink. I think it is a bit offset from standard. Also if it will work with sandy bridge gen, be sure to check it. 980 or m5000m should work for sure. Try to look for info in NBR archive, ibmnb forum or hpfocus forum. Maybe techinferno, there should be info about it There is third option, that is Zbook 15 G2. They're getting cheaper and you would not have to look for DC screen. Good luck and I will look out for it : )
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    Here is Zbook palmrest Cable is totally different in means of lenght and shape from 8570w All we need to do is take out reader board from Zbook, solder flex cable from 8570w and it just works 😄 You need to be careful when desoldering flex, because of that glue here After soldering check with multimeter if there arent shorts between pins and you're good to go. About my laptop, my original keyboard died week ago because it had damaged from too high humidity before, traces were gradually corroding and few keys stoped working. I had to remake previous riveting job - at least I have photos this time 🙂 I had also spotted Quadro RTX 3000 mxm on selling platform, but I think it's too weak compared to 5000, which I would want to retrofit. Soo, we wait more
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    Nice work ! Can I ask if you could PM me zbook schematics ? I have spare 17 inch DC screen from zbook 17 with cables, but Im not sure whats damaged (I didn't had time to repair it, I think backlight may not be working). How are temperatures ? If you could share it would be awesome 🙂 I'm not sure if I want to try separating CPU and GPU heatpipes or stay with connected design. How about muxxer ? Every mode works ? You could try make 3d model of that GPU heatsink and order CNC for copper plate, second heatsink would work as intended then. I plan it myself. For now I could recommend making hole for fan to blow air in GPU direction. It can help with temps. Anyway, nice job man ! EDIT: I almost forgot... have you though about making thunderbolt to nvme drive mod ? There are such mods already made in macbooks pro. EDIT2: I recommend undervolting with Intel XTU and MSI Afterburner
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    I will try to send photos later, basically you need both original 8570w fingerprint reader and zbook. You have to desolder flex cable from both and solder original flex cable to zbook reader. There is a little glue holding said flex, but it comes off easily with little heat. Pinout is same for both readers, mind flex orientation. After soldering I recommend using a little glue pistol to secure connections. Lastly, download fingerprint drivers from zbook G2 page and voila, Windows Hello works perfectly 😄
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    Good news everyone ! I have recording material ready, I even did editing.. but sony vegas trial version allows for 2 minutes of .mp4 only.... and I have 24 minutes of benchmarks and games.. Can anyone recomend free video editing program with GPU acceleration ? Openshot takes 20 hours to decode 23 minutes of 1080p material... and uses GPU acceleration in linux only..
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    Here you go. All bioses from Dell folder works. No fan control could be just not compatible data exchange between KBC and GPU because of vBIOS not completely compatible with 8570w. I would need zbook g5 for being 100% sure 😄 or another card. When I put original K2000M card in laptop, it starts in 1 second from black to HP bios logo. With P5200 it's few seconds more before POST... GTX980 didn't had fan control problems at all, don't remember if startup time was same. You need to get GPU heatsink from 8770w and you will get fan I used. You just need to saw a little bit of metal. For fan you carefully cut 4 plastic parts and use some good 3M double sided tape or cyanoacrylate glue for center circle part, carefuly center it so it doesn't hit body with blades and connect 5V from ODD port, GND and tacho pin from original fan to PWM so it spins as fast as original one. Second fan adds some noise to work, but it decrease temp efficiently for GPU side. I not sure about Lenovo GPU ODD, because GPU board takes a bit of space outside motherboard.
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    It is actually very simple to add vBios to them! You can use cheapest CH341a programmer with 1.8v voltage addon You can use almost any 1,8v bios chips like W25Q20E or W25Q40EW or MX25U8033E. Just program vbios from my thread on this forum with zip file, solder it on with soldering iron, voila! All those Dell vbios works pretty much same, I didn't saw any difference. I also send mine GPU photo. Down right corner of core is chipped of, it still works, but it may be reason for not working fan control. I am very interested if it will work in your build! Cheers!
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    I will upload pictures as soon as I return to home! 🙂 I have revision D board, most complete one. I used every Dell vBIOS: 86.04.8a.00.47，86.04.a2.00.31 ，86.04.8A.00.64 HP VR Backpack one also works, but with external display only. MSI, Lenovo vBIOS didn't worked at all. Dreamcolor screen is a must, it is LVDS screen, but you have EDP to LVDS board together with that LCD. Normally 8570w takes lvds only. I got soldering paste from Ali express I took Zbook G2 fingerprint reader and retrofitted it into my system - now I can log in win 10/11 with one touch 😄 Reason for this is 8570's fingerprint reader driver is too old and it doesn't work in windows newer than Win7. Ordered some 5v amp board and usb audio dac for some experimentation - since I don't use secure card reader, I can use it's usb data+ and data- along with 5V line to have better built-in audio. I wonder, if internal speakers can sound better with that. My phone have tiny stereo speakers, that are louder and better quality vs those in notebook.. I had bought second keyboard for emergency, I used rivets in other one to finally have all 3 screw holes used. Now it sits firmly finally, like finished product would! Next steps are: -make hardware undervolt for CPU (Intel added internal voltage regulators [available to modify with XTU] inside CPU in haswell gen; weirdly Core2Duo already had those. They removed it for first, second and third gen Cores..) -buy Quadro RTX 5000 (probably from Zbook 17 G6) for that 30% better performance and DLSS technology ^_^ -design and CNC mill new heatsink for CPU and GPU made fully from copper (experiment) HP changed design every 2 generations, so unfortunately Zbook 15 is totally different versus elitebook 8570W. It may seem similar, but it would require elephant's amount of work to make it work. So I decided to dump that idea.
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    I used full size kitchen electric oven set to 140-142 degrees celsius, doublecheck temperature with external thermocouple meter. At first, desolder heatsink for parts, then I use damaged board with damaged CPU and GPU card, screw them on, check if they align correctly and lastly use metal spring clip where copper tubes meet other parts. When solder melts, spring force push more than fixed screw clips. With 140 temp, you won't swell heatpipes. They won't explode, because they have only distilled water inside them. Good luck! What do you mean about second fan ? About project, I changed thermal interface material to honeywell ptm7950. Hands down, it makes laptop work as it should from start. Every other thermal paste I tried is pumped out within days or weeks, at best. This one ? Temperatures get better every day. 100% recommend.
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    Interesting thing happened - with more powerful CPU my temp decreased even lower and I got more battery life. 10/10 fully recommend upgrade 😄 Only thing left to mod is now make fully copper heatsink from CNC mill. And change battery cells for better ones myself. I also saw other interesing ideas from asian forums like making dual SATA3 port for Raid 0 or making WWAN port work as mSATA storage. Maybe one day.. ? BTW. Youtube video will be released next month = ]
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    Hello ! If you have access to Zbook 17 G5 laptop with Quadro P5200, I need your help. Open GPU-Z and extract VBios using this dot. Help would be greatly appreciated !
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    Ok, I found out problem -> Quadro P5200 vbios lacks UEFI GOP - that's why better laptop boots slower than original configuration. Quadro K1000M shows in GPU Z that it works in UEFI mode. And by UEFI it means fastboot, Windows 8-11 compability, etc.. I will have to edit VBIOS again and use external programmer. Will do together with CPU upgrade. Why? Because i7 3940XM is on it's way to me 😄 Can't wait to post results, cheers everyone!
  25. GuitarG
    For future people reading - for booting Ubuntu and every other Linux use command line and add "nomodeset" after kernel load line. It will boot normally ! I think it is because of mxm upgrade - GTX980 had same problem. RTX mxm cards are out of my budget for now. And they need even more work, because they have very very different components placement and mounting holes than previous generations. But I for sure would like at least try 😄 I repaired other 8570W, with stock K1000M and now I am wondering, because stock configuration POSTs and boots much faster. Like 8 seconds vs 14 seconds. From power on button click to HP logo is also faster. I started to wonder about trying to mod BIOS, like BIOS says to KBC that there will be K1000M or K2000M, here is SMBus adress for fan control and then KBC speak with PCH. I only edited bios for clearing me region, but maybe it is time to learn cracking HP BIOS. I changed motherboard for almost not used one - it have muuch less temp now ! I am amazed ! Both new board and old are working in same way performance wise in games benchmarks, but now I have much less fan noise in same environment because temperature is lower for CPU and GPU and PCH. It like 20 years old runner in his prime vs 40 years old man jogging. Now Im sure there is something like electrical components fatigue. For things I would like to do now is find out why factory configuration turns on faster and look for i7 3940XM to buy. And finally record video. I though about Firestrike, Time Spy plus some games with FPS, temps in corner. Hogwart Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Control, maybe something else ? Thanks for your feedback and cheers everyone!
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