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They could manage put in an real 4090 die (AD102) and GDDR6X into 18 inch sized laptops. All other smaller 4090 laptops should be branded down to the more correct 4080 Mobile. Just make the frame around the 18 inch screen wider and the whole shassis would be bigger to fit bigger MB. But nope. The gamer kids want Apple design nowadays.

Maybe compare apples vs apples and not apples vs orange🤪 And this is suposed to be the strongest 4090 mobile gaming books.... Aka +5000$ Yep, you are correct brother. But you forget that you can upgrade your desktop. And if normal pricing... It will cost you 1000$. Not $2800 or if you have more money than brain and go for the Msi flagship. This is what you have to pay for 4090 mobile that perform below 3080Ti (See pict above). I'm sure you would hate it 🙂 Maybe fun the first days, then you'll finally start to see you got scammed 🙂 Will GPUs Ever Get Cheaper? GPU Pricing Update Both AMD and Nvidia have talked about weak demand for consumer components in their latest earnings reports and the strategy for now appears to hold firm, reduce supply to match reduced demand, and keep sailing in the same direction. For the mid-range and mainstream markets there's not much to get excited about. Pricing has been the same for a while now, new offerings/replacements are still months away, and the new models may not be mid-range cards anyway. The rumors surrounding these upcoming models don't paint a particularly awesome picture. We may see a small improvement in price-to-performance and that's it, which would be overly disappointing but regrettably that's been the last five years of GPUs. Then you have this.... Let the gamers pay premium. They have to if they want the new gen graphics cards. Nvidia optimistic about the future even as gaming revenue dries up Nvidia's future greatly depends on how well the AI renaissance goes Keep the new low/mid range cards away from the supply chain and the gamers will help Nvidia/AMD to sell their higher tier cards to keep up ASP and max profits. In the longer run... Low sales but high ASP for the high end will make new low/mid range graphics cards more appealing forwards. Because not all will pay an arm and a leg for 4070Ti, 4080 or 4090. This way Nvidia and AMD can keep up high prices also for cards that will launch this spring/early summer. Gamers have no other choices if they want the new and shiny and brand new. AMD's mid-range RDNA 3 GPUs may not turn up until June Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/

Yep, its only $2,800 USD. And I don't like throw my hard earned money down the drain. Good luck bring with you that cooler box safe on a plane. Maybe ask your side man hold the box while you start play games. It's a laptop, LOOL And I would never ever throw away my money on desktop box that let me have internal cramped space almost as a laptop.

Yep, a laptop. And enjoy drag with you the cooling box. What a stupid idea. I expect the cooling is awful if you remove that cooler box and use the laptop the way it is meant to be used. Aka as portable unit. And no in hell this laptop have a 4090. Its a down powered 4080 mobile (AD103) with a name change to try increase the price point. In short... Scam! Regarding design flaw... The cooler box is meant to replace a bad designed internal cooling.

It seems Microsoft go over dead bodies to try help their partners. And who is the fool's bro @Mr. Fox? The crying babies or Microsoft? None say he or others has to install the latest and bugged. Just go back to Win 10 and enjoy your pc. Windows 11 Watermark Showing Up On Unsupported Systems Microsoft implements plan to annoy users into upgrading PCs (or downgrading Windows) At the moment, it looks like unsupported systems will only have to deal with a mildly-annoying watermark, but this could be the first step toward more drastic measures. Microsoft has warned that it will disable updates on unsupported systems (though this clearly has yet to come to fruition, as you'll only get the watermark if you install the latest update). So, just go buy a new CPU (says Microsoft). Or uninstall Windows 11 and downgrade to Windows 10

They have not a single reason to restrict the PCIe slot with wimpy 27W as a JOKEBOOK. The 6-pin PCIe connector should be optional ONLY if you have loads of hardware connected to the MB. This should be only recommended if you intend to max out the 12v line from the 24 pin MB connector with USB-C and loads of fans. Aka you use the what the MB fan headers is able to deliver (+130W) Nothing more or less. I hate stupid engineering. Some nice results with the GTX 480 without the extra 6-pin power MB connector. I expect the lower power consumption from Aquamark and 3DMark 2001 don’t need the extra power. It’s all about the clock speed🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5210097_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_480_177771_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5210066_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_480_558152_marks?recalculate=true LOOL. And all in the boys and girls in the Red team that said AMD Ryzen was something different than the smoking hot Intel chips

I can answer my own question.... This is retarded of lack of better word. I know the 6-pin connector support added wattage for the PCIe slot if it lack needed power but several other brands offer MB's that can provide enough power to the PCIe slot without this restriction. And I don't use much of the 12v line from the 24 pin MB connector. Etc the 11A (130w+) fan headers limit isn't in use. Only for fan signals so not much wattage go into these fan headers. So the 24 pin should be more than enough. Why castrate it at wimpy 27W? This idiotic design/engineering ideas is something I mostly can expect coming from Dell or F. Azor. Not from a real MB manufacturer that should know better. Now I need to find a proper solution for this due Asus own engineering stupidity. And that cost money. Not needed if they followed specs. Then you have the second stupidity from Asus. Why in hell use the F8 command for the MB/bios functionality? The Z690 Apex is meant as a oc board and people use F8 command to go fast into Windows safe mode. So stupid has to be todays word. And Asus earn it. Every single bit. Asus deserve 2x tripple....

The main or sad problem with this. You often don't have many another options. And this isn't only a Corsair problem if thats what you say. I still don't want to go with the competitor if the products isn't equal good. Good Support is nice to have but doesn't help much if you don't like the products they offer. I better go with good products with not the best support over good or amazing support but with not the products I really want. Not always you can have it both. And for the most I usually return products to the store if something is wrong. I don't have to deal with none. Just wait getting my product back in working state. If they can't... They normally offer money back or equal good product. The best support is not to need support. The only time I had to deal with this was Dell and their otsourcing partners. My worst experience ever. Both the product and the awful tecnicians Dell hire cheap for the job.

Yep, need more PCIe connectors. And the choice is between swap out what I have or mount in an second PSU. A second PSU will give me loads of cables and power headroom over ecual powered PSU (with dual Nvidia connector) as I already have. And a smaller SFX psu should be a lot cheaper. Saw this... from Tomshardware Corsair SF750 Review Will check the price. Not keen pay overprice. Edit. 195$ 😞 And the second choice from Tomshardware... Not so much cheapar (18$) Corsair SF600 Platinum 75$ thanks. + shipping. Total $85 https://www.digitalimpuls.no/corsair/151909/corsair-600w-gen5-svart--12vhpwr-psu-kabel-sleeved And I already have two for the Be Quiet Dark Pro PSU. Then I have 180A 170A or +2000W output power from this PSU. Can't beat that. Only the end of the 12VHPWR cable will be a bit hot, HaHa I also made caps I use to protect the flimsy 12VHPWR connectors when I swap out the new with older graphics cards. Maybe not needed, but better safe than sorry. And I enjoy also the old, so... And maybe a couple of other 4090 models. But this show how Nvidia deal with its partners. They upping their quality (probably got good deals with the components makers+own free best binned chips) and with time will steal more and more from their "valuable" customers/PARNERS. It's very bad when the AIC partners can't compete with it's own mother (just look at EVGA). Hence they have to go with the absolute cheaper/trash solutions. As long they offer bling bling and lots of aRGB I think the gamer is happy as is.

I could svap out my PSU with my son's AX1500i Digital ATX Power Supply — 1500 Watt But then I have to pay for two 12VHPWR cables, wait on them, and get less power headroom than with dual PSU system. Choices, but I think dual PSU fits my needs better.

I think the old card can drag up to 400W in bench. And I want headroom from the PSU. Hence 600w. I don't bother with efficency standard Gold, purple or yeallow but don't want a PSU that have to use +70% to power only the old GPU's. Then you have the PSU form factor... SFX is in smaller design and intended often for weak and flimsy hardware. You need to go up on wattage. I would never trust 500w PSU in a small design delivering 400W stable power. They are often made for weak HW that don't max out the PSU. I already have the needed dual 16-pin cables from Be Quiet. And its +1500w Platinum and very good quality product. Have even more spare power than 1600W Evga.

Yep. I know that. And I intended to do so and use the 6-pin on the MB for etc having the 4090 connected. No question on that. But as I said... If I take out the 4090 and put in old cards with dual 8-pin I need to steal the 6-pin connector from the MB to power the old GPUs. That may work. But the very best would be a 600W SFX PSU. Rather this option than swap out my main PSU with another one with dual 12VHPWR connector. I will have more PCIe cables this way and have huge power headroom to power up much more in my pc. And I don't want pay an arm and a leg for a SFX PSU. But it has to be quality. Failing PSU's tend to drag with the whole pc if it kneels/die. Not expensive and not too cheap. And with proper Amp for each PCIe connector from the PSU. Again thanks bro Fox.

The Be Quiet have 10X8-pin connectors divided by 5 PSU connectors. And I need 4 of them for the dual 12VHPWR connector for the HOF. Every PCIe line is rated 45A. So overkill. But the Be quiet 12VHPWR cable need two connectors connected to the PSU side. And 2x2 connectors on PSU side is 4 for the HOF's dual nvidia connectors. And I have only one 2x8-Pin connector left. This is too little remaining connctors if I want to take out the 4090 for benching the old. I won't take in and out the small Nvidia cables from PSU for the 4090. If I use 6-pin connector for the MB, then I will lack PCIe connectors for the old graphics (Need 2x8-pin for that). Se also my second question... Thanks. This means the Asus card is priced equal in US as here home if I remove the added Norwegian tax and exchange fees.

Thanks. Yep, I only wanted the Strix of all nowadays new GPUs. And I would never even buy anything else. Only luck that I saw the HOF. Still on the table. I need do some changes. And I don't like the way Be Quiet put the connectors. For single 16-pin 12VHPWR thats not a problem but with dual 16-pin 12VHPWR for the HOF I should have more connectors for my hobby with older cards. The Dark Pro is a fantastic PSU but now I'm limited the way I want my setup to work. See pict and you undetstand. The PCIe connectors is rated 45A so near 500W (one PSU connector contain dual 8-pin). Aka 10x 8-Pin but with this layout I will be missing PCIe connectors. Have enough right now but I need more 8-pin connectors lying for my older cards. As you can see... This layout eat up all PCIe connectors. No need for 180A for the HOF (4 connectors). But I have to use it this way. I have two choices... Go for a new 1600+ Psu or an SFX psu for my old cards(the box support 2 PSUs). Is there some good advices on what SFX PSU to buy rated +600W I can use for powering my old graphics cards? This is the cheaper way and I will have the benefits have access to +2100W power. Norwegian AC connectors here home is 3600W or 16x230v. Second question... I know you'll need the extra 6-pin connector on the motherboard to power more items connected to the MB. Without it could also make GPU stability problems. But I think more for only benching old cards and without having much connected to the MB. All strong fans is powered by the PSU and not to the MB (only rpm signals). Edit. The MB fan headers is rated for 11A or 130W from MB. I don't use that power headroom. Regarding the US price... Dang! Without the Norwecian taxes and the added exange currency I now pay less for the 4090 Asus than many other countries included US and you. Thats not normal bro Fox. Not at all.. This means parts is well above overpriced right now. Not the normal. Not here or other places. What is normal Strix OC price (MSRP) in US?

Congrats bro Fox. I waited 3.5 months and gave up on getting the Strixs OC. And the Strix was nr 1 on my list of 4090 I wanted. I’m posting from my phone. But is that price correct? Or does this $2,395 pricepoint include 25% Norwegian tax if I ordered it from US Newegg? Or is this the price you have to pay in US? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Included 25% Tax here home.... From the shop that I had the chance to buy from. This below is the price I had to pay for the Strix without Norwegian Greed here home from the shop... So it seems the shop here didn't over-charge for the Asus card here home. They normally add extra $$$ in the final price due currency exchange. Often 5-10% on top. Could be the price is in short cheaper if the shop has added in the currency exchange. Then I expect well below 2000$ here home. That’s a steal because this pricing isn’t the norm here. The usual is 30-33% on top including everything above US prices. Edit. Seems you got it at around $2000. Around same price we have to pay without the 25% tax.

They could offer processors without the lid (delidded) but with a small frame arond the die to stop crushing it from wrong mounting/too high pressure. Not difficult if they wanted go the bare die route (same as BGA chips). Btw. Intel know AMD's graphics cards in and out better than AMDs own engineers, LOOL New needed AMD Radeon drivers out. AMD couln't let Intel run the show, HeHe Fixed issues... Situational performance drop may be observed in DirectX® 11 based games on Radeon™ RX 6000 series GPUs using Ryzen™ processors South Korean overclocker, SAFEDISK, has managed to overclock the Xeon W9-3495X to 5.22 GHz using LN2 and broken both the Cinebench R23 and Geekbench 3 Multi-core world record. The feat was achieved on the ASUS PRO WS W790E-SAGE SE motherboard with 128 GB of G.SKILL's latest Trident Z5 memory running at 6333 Mbps. You can find the HWBOT listing here.

Not only the only reasons. There hare many, but going with all P-cores they had to reduce Boost clocks for all cores load. Then You'll need minimum 12 P-cores to replace the hybrid baby core mess. But bigger die's would help a lot on the heat dissipation from the Cpu die over to the cold plate. And that bigger die cost money. And Intel want go the wrong route for the consumers... Very small compute die and loads of die's for the rest of the chips package. And we know how this work out for AMD. The small ccx chips run 95C with 33% less power consumption than an Intel chips on 10nm (known as Intel 7). The next gen glued together Hybrid mess from Intel. 1 is the compute die. Edit. https://www.pcgamer.com/the-intel-meteor-lake-explainer-allow-me-to-clear-up-any-confusion/ The beauty with AMD products... No need for bling bling and RGB fans😁 Wild Hearts devs fix the hellish RX 7900 XTX 'disco lights' headache The new patch also undoes the 'unintentional' high-end CPU frame caps, along with fixes for a bunch of other issues. AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX(opens in new tab) users will be pleased to hear they'll no longer have to deal with the fit-inducing 'disco lights' effect(opens in new tab) Yep, darn disgusting. And Tomshardware go same way... At least for Dell Alienware products.

Only $10.000+ for the platform. That's cheap. The bench elite (the chosen one) will get everything needed for free. 500w and 60C with an aircooler is only possible due the huge die size. The die on mainstream chips is all too small hence you will see 100C with an stock 13900K with same air cooler setup (+-300w). Intel should stop making mainstram desktop chips from mobile trash silicon. Give us real P-cores and not this hybrid baby core mess meant for phones/tablets and Jokebooks. Back to awful... This awful article below from Pcworld's editor is darn retarded/perverse and in short pure stupidity on high level. Pcworld have a lot readers and if the editor at Pcworld are fine with disgusting prices... Then expect the people (Pcworld's audience) will throw away their hard earned money for overpriced products. Look at this write down from Pcworld.... The price is right(ish)🤢 Same as say run and buy. A defense of the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti by a 1440p gamer pcworld.com Yes, the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti is overpriced. But it's still an excellent GPU.

Not much have changed since Intel, Nvidia and laptop manufacurers went with full BGA. This year it will be 10 years since Dell Alienware went totally retarded. The AW models from 2014 ws only re-hashed 2013 model. Oh'well. Nothing beat upgradeability. Just put in some old and here we go 🙂 Or buy the newest and it will work equal well. The nice with the old.. You can use almost whatever OS you want from Redmond. https://hwbot.org/submission/5209015_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_580_188357_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5208884_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_580_85385_marks https://hwbot.org/submission/5209055_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_580_56697_marks?recalculate=true https://hwbot.org/submission/5208900_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_580_581528_marks?recalculate=true Are you ready to throw away $500 on a SATA SSD Cable?😱 Yep we are still in Feb and not 1th April. $500 Audiophile SATA SSD Cable With Superstar Crystals Listed published about 17 hours ago Claimed to be the “best computer Hi-Fi cable ever built.”

Getting overpriced garbage is a hell lot worse than getting overpriced awesome. Paying top dollars for the new 4090 scam (laptops) is awful. You get the worst from both worlds. If you jump on the higher tier ADA laptops you’ are in short scammed.

The ugly truth. Greed<<! Btw. Nvidia and Gigabyte released mobile trash! Laptops got it double up. Awful performance paired with awful prices. What a disgusting combo. Graphics Card Prices Doubled on Average Between 2020 and 2023: Mindfactory Data Mindfactory.de is hardly the largest tech retailer out there, but it's renowned for putting out its sales figures in public that provide sharp market insights. The latest of these concerns graphics card average selling price (ASP). The store notes that graphics card ASPs have doubled in a span of just 3 years, which marks an unnatural deviation from inflation, and cannot adequately be explained by rising chip costs due to Moore's Law either buckling or losing relevance. While Intel is a firm believer in Moore's Law, and to a smaller extent so is AMD (which disaggregated its CPUs and GPUs to continue shipping cutting-edge products at lower costs); NVIDIA considers Moore's Law dead, and thinks it needs to keep bigger and bigger GPUs to offer generational performance uplifts. The store notes that as on February 2020, the AMD Radeon graphics card ASP stood at 295.25€, with the store having made 442,870€ in sales. For NVIDIA GeForce graphics cards, the ASP figure stood at 426.59€, and total sales at 855,305€. As of Feb 2020, AMD lacked high-end products (this was before the RDNA2 comeback), and so the NVIDIA ASP is higher. Fast forward to February 2023, and we see a doubling in the ASPs. For AMD Radeon graphics cards, this stands at 600.03€, with €1.02 million in sales; and for NVIDIA GeForce, the ASP is at 825.20€, with €1.84 million in sales.

For desktop cards we will see prices going down. NEWS AMD Radeon RX 7900 and NVIDIA GeForce 40 GPUs are slowly getting cheaper in Europe They could just do that with the 4080 Mobile. No need to introduce new SKU. But add in 4090 into the GPU stack was meant to increase ASP. And higher SKU numbers will boost more sales... So

Nice start with 4070 Mobile. Now you'll may see what to expect from 4060 laptops. What a failure. And what a money grab. Gigabyte Aorus 15X Review: Brawny Raptor Lake, Laggard RTX 4070 Graphics performance fails to impress. Conclution... It seems like for every step forward; the laptop also took a step backward. What did the review editor expect? He failed to see that nvidia don't want avesome for laptops. No profits in that. They want that you upgrade every year. Small increments in performance for each new gen is to be expected. And the laptop manufacturers hail that.

Probably smart. Cheaper as well. And it seems AMD still struggle with the well known USB drop outs even on their new and shiny platform. Can't match/beat that bro @Mr. Fox 🙂 As he said in the conclution.... Want a stable system... Go with Intel. I Tried Going All AMD For A Month… Not exactly smiling on the front page. Quite ok result with the old GTX580 in Aquamark🙂 https://hwbot.org/submission/5208124_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_580_576506_marks

Not entirely. Back in the days with 5800X3D you had only one X3D Sku. Now you have 3 of them and the more expensive big fat boy (7950X3D) run slower than the cheaper X3D SKU if rumors is correct. Hence pay more get less🤮 https://hwbot.org/submission/5208074_papusan_unigine_heaven___xtreme_geforce_gtx_570_1779.99_dx11_marks?recalculate=true