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Full fat AD102 die is 18176 cores. 4090 is 16384 or come with sub 11% less cores. Nvidia need to push out much faster vram, a lot higher TDP and clocks for 4090Ti to make it perform +20% faster.

And the benchers recommend Win 10 for some benches, same for win 7 and Win XP. Not many use Win 11 for going after best performance. There is several fixes for the thread scheduler. Processor lasso is one of them. No need for Win 11 to make use of the different cores. Shouldn't be. I would wait for tests to see if the bend frames maded for socket 1700 have a positive inpact on temps for Raptor lake. Or just test it for yourself. 4090 FE reviewed... Review: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founder edition guru3d.com By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 10/11/2022 03:00 PM | 65 comment(s) ] NVIDIA unveiled their much-anticipated Series 4000 graphics cards, beginning with the GeForce RTX 4090 founder edition. The new graphics card provides great performance, more extensive raytracing features, and DLSS 3.0 thanks to upgraded Tensor cores. Join us for a thorough assessment. Read the review here. Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 review: Fantastically, futuristically fast pcworld.com Nvidia's monstrous GeForce RTX 4090 delivers luxuriously fast frame rates and futuristic features, but DLSS 3 may be the real star. The GeForce RTX 4090 is so fast that it can sometimes run into CPU bottlenecks even playing at 4K resolution with the eye candy maxed in some games, but esports games and older DirectX 11 titles don’t necessarily push it to its blistering limits. The 4090 is just 36 percent faster than the 3090 in Total War: Troy—a solid result, but one dwarfed by the advances in DX12 and Vulkan games. Likewise, while the RTX 4090 easily tops the CS:GO benchmark charts, the meager frame rate improvements at 4K and 1080p show that this long-established DirectX 9 title doesn’t have much more to give to Ada Lovelace’s might. The GeForce RTX 4090 embarrasses all previous GPU contenders in all games, full stop. The uplift isn’t quite as convincing in esports and DirectX11 titles, but the victories are there, and in games running the more modern DX12 and Vulkan APIs, the RTX 4090 is anywhere from 55 to 83 percent faster than the RTX 3090. That’s on par with the RTX 3080’s uplift over the RTX 2080. AndJensen said 3080 was 100% performance uplift above 2080 Ti.

I expect a lot people and companies hate the idea getting a more unstable and buggy OS. Why buy new hardware only to try get this never ending mess? I'm quite sure they know they won't gain much with such a upgrade. Worse for the wallet and worse for your moode. A big win if you skip both 🙂 The Windows 11 22H2 file copy performance bug could be far worse than first thought Oct 8, 2022 · HOT! 23 Microsoft recently acknowledged a problem with file copy speeds on its Windows 11 2022 feature update as a big slow-down of up to 40% was noticed. However, the problem could actually be even worse. Why release this? Microsoft use thousands if ont millions of guinea pig and noone is able to catch the bugs. And Microsoft test engineers fails as well. Just release a single new OS every 3rd, 4th or 5th year. And spend all years before the release for testing. LATEST NEWS Windows 11 22H2 is full of bugs: Check them out here

Stay below 0.6Nm. I would say even well below 0.5Nm. Hand tight the screws with a force of your thumb and index finger is good enough (both the bend fix frame and the water block). You don't need a torque screw driver for this. See also.. https://www.igorslab.de/cpu-temperaturen-im-rahmen-thermal-grizzly-thermalright-jeyi-und-feng-zao-lga1700-frames-im-vergleichstest/3/

Hola bro etern 🙂 With an perfectly flat cold plate it will help (see igorslab's testing). But not so much if the cold plate is somewhat convex shape as they do for many of the AIO's heatsink(made for socket 1700). I didn't see a major difference from it. But the newer EK heatsink's I got was designed for socket 1700, so.

Or try to mach new pc sales forwards. Industry Hardware PC makers continue to struggle with declining shipments

Not many options above Alienware 17/18 from 2013/14. Or replace the dying parts of your M17xR4. Another option is an used Clevo P870 series. They offer 2xM.2 + 2x2.5 HDD slots and a lots of I/O ports but no DVD drive bay. All we have left today is thin and slimy with 1 or two M.2 slots for storage/OS. All laptop OEMs nowadays try to match Apple's modern slim and thin chassis size and with minimal of I/O ports. Gaming books or laptops for creators is all the same.

This solutions is not an options for corporate/companies. And hence we will see Win 10 and even 7 keep goin g into the future. Microsoft just can't cut of Win 7 or 10 within 3 years. Hence... Forget Win 11 as option for people/companies🙂 Lansweeper's study sees Windows 10 (81.8%) ahead of Windows Server (8.8%) and Windows 7 (3.4%). Windows 11 only comes fourth with a share of only 2.6 percent. No upgrade to Windows 11: System requirements are too high for many companies https://www.computerbase.de/2022-10/kein-windows-11-in-unternehmen/

AMD lowers forecast after weak processor sales Business today 09:48 Weak results on the consumer side cause AMD to warn and adjust the company's financial forecast for both the next quarter and on an annual basis. It is mainly one segment that is affected, what AMD refers to as "Client". It is usually AMD's cash cow and includes, among other things, Ryzen processors for both desktop and laptop computers. According to AMD, it is low sales figures on the consumer side combined with excess inventory. The latter forces OEMs and partner manufacturers to lower their prices, which in turn affects what average price (ASP) AMD can charge. There, lower ASP for specific processors is pointed out.

Not horrible, LOOL Maybe it will do better with 4090.

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If the board becomes stiffer it may help a bit on Intel's ILM bend fiasco. Aka the board will look more as it should have been with the Cpu mounted and not as a banana. Maybe Intel subsidise the extra layers?🙃

I just love your honnst comments. But be you sure.... Dell will milk the 95C normal for AMD ecual as they say 100C is ok for Intel. This way they can cut costs as usual. Aka nothing have changes as long Dell rely on Travis North.

I'm sure many chassis manufacturers is very happy now. Same also for the GPU Riser Express Cable manufacturers. And I expect Nvidia know about the problem and hence didn't go bananas and made the FE cards longer than what they already are. People want smaller chassis. Now they don't need turn on the electric oven in the winters. Pair this with the new 95C normal from AMD and coming 350W processors from Intel. Bigger is better. I know. Hence I went with 1000D 🙂 And not because next gen graphics cards will be bigger than ever. I just like it big. Big is better. And all "Black" @jaybee83I have correct. Nvidia want to get rid of the AIB partners. Hence they offer more than the stock TDP.... https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-spotted-reaching-3-0-ghz-and-616-watts-with-gpu-stress-tool#:~:text=Furthermore%2C GPUs such as Founder Edition reportedly has a power limit up to 600W%2C which may explain what card was used for this test.

Below 1080. 1080 and above will be too expensive if you only bench for points and don't use it for gaming. Even an 980 Ti or 1070 is still expensive for this type hobby.

Put it the other way... 4090 FE was rumored to have 3 x 8-pin PCIe power adapter due 450W target. But got 4 x 8-pin PCIe power adapter. Either for more wattage than the rumored 450W or less fire (reduced chance to be sued)😄

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition Right out of the gate we've got NVIDIA's brand new GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition graphics card, which rocks a considerable amount of grunt -- not just in GPU silicon, but cooling technology, design, and more -- which shouldn't be a surprise. NVIDIA's in-house Founders Edition graphics cards are some of the best you can get, and I'm sure NVIDIA is keeping the best-binned AD102 GPUs for its own GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition 😉 Let's dive right in: Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/10211/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-unboxed-fe-asus-rog-strix-msi-suprim-liquid/index.html Yep, but I think also the Founders Edition will go above 450W. Equal as some of the better cards from the AIB partners. See also what I post about binning. With no Evga we won't see many cards will offer vBios worth to crosss-flash. We have KFA 2 who is in short Galaxy cards. And we know its not easy to get custom software/firmware from Galaxy. Only a very few get those in hands. I expect, seeing several reviews of all cards will be more important than ever.

You'll only lose 24MHz if you drop the fan speed from 100% down to 60%. And at that point I think the average Joe dare to push their fans 🙂 And you'll still get above 5100MHz if you drop it further down to 50%.

I think the Founders Edition will do it great vs AIB partners models (both in performance and cooling). This is first step to get rid of competition from its partners (keep up profits if sales drops). EVGA is already gone... Who next? Give the cards proper love will help them reach their goal faster. Very important now as times changes (people have less to spend on entertainments forwards). Aka offer more for less vs AIB partners. The big question will be... Will they use good binned chips for own cards or sell them to the AIB partners to increase profits here and now. A bigger price difference between own cards and their partners who (need) use binned chips to sell out at higher MSRP will help Nvidia to grab more sales from the average Joe. Dang, double gain (higher profits from silicon and increased sales of own graphic cards). Yep, doing business is fun🙂 ZOTAC confirms GeForce RTX 4090 pricing, from $1600 to $1700 What we have seen with previous launches was that board partners have prioritized the production of the OC models, which resulted in very low supply of the cheapest SKUs. Hopefully, that will not be the case this time, and we will indeed see RTX 4090 at MSRP not just for one day, but for weeks to come. The pricing from Zotac is something Asus really should learn from. 100$ extra for the better binned chips would be more like +200$ if you go with Asus.

Look from 1:50 where DELLs head thermal engineer Travis North in short say you don't need proper cooling. Run your HW at max temps is just fine. Why overspend money on better cooling if the HW run within specs? And if you bought an OEM pc, be prepared for proprietary solutions so forget spend more money on cooling that may not fits🙃

Probably not, but the slower and cheaper Zen 4 chips run equal hot and have same temp target. But most likely saved due they use their chips for gaming 🙂 Its for a reason many buy the cheaper Zen 4 chips. Cost savings. And this will apply for the cooling as well. And many don't like have water in their boxes. I just hope they will try avoid re-use the AMD Wright air cooler. Because that cooler isn't good enough for Zen 4 chips.

Yep, node shrinks can have their diminishing returns. To be able to compete then you'll need to take out all the performance from it and hence you get 95C in return. And no AIO or custom water in the world can change that facts (if you don't delidde, undervolt and cap the temp threshold below AMDs temp target). Otherwise 95C it will be. Gamers shouldn't be so worried and won't see 95C and hence less the need for an AC running home due AMDs new Cpu temp target. As a side note... Have seen people talk about degraded Ryzen silicon due overclocking, higher voltage paired with high temps on later gen Threadripper. iUnlock was one of them seeing the silicon degraded. But this will apply both for Intel and AMDs chips.

Yep. You gain wopping 69MHz clock speed jump for all cores going from an air cooler to the biggest AIO. A fantastic gain... Isn't it?🙂 But the biggest gain you get going with the huge AIO is lower noise. With the air cooler you need to run the fans at max speed to stop further clock drop in all cores load. And the cheapo AMD Wraith air coooler is a no go.

Samsung Magician 7.2.0 (7.2.0.930) with new features is available for download October 4, 2022 9:04 am Samsung has updated its own Samsung Magician software to version 7.2.0 (7.2.0.930). With Samsung Magician, the SSDs (NVMe) drives can be monitored. The management program offers a variety of overviews. According to the description, new functions have been integrated. According to the description, new functions have been integrated. So the LED settings (Only 990 Pro with heatsink) and the data migration. The signature is from 09/01/2022. So still fresh. The package itself has grown again by a few MB. The SSD series 470, 750, 830, 840, 850, 860, 870, as well as 960, 970, 980 and 990 are supported. But some OEM versions are also supported. Can be used with Windows 7 up to Windows 11.

From Techpowerup sum up. Overall this is great news for Zen 4 buyers and owners: Just stop worrying about the cooler, buy anything reasonably decent, it doesn't have to be an AIO, and you'll be fine. Because 95°C is the new 65°C. And if you're spending $200 on an AIO, then you're going from 95°C to 95°C, LOOL. Exactly same max temp as if you go with the cheaper sub 40$ air coolers. Can't beat that... Or can you. At least you can save some money on your new desktop build if you go with cheap (or re-use old cooler) cooling. You can't do that with Intel. So the new 95°C target have it's advantage🙂 I can just imagine where Dell will cut costs for their new Ryzen Zen4 gaming desktop AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Cooling Requirements & Thermal Throttling