Mr. Fox

Gigabyte AORUS Radeon™ RX 9070 XT ELITE 16G I purchased this GPU new in March and have been using it in my work PC running a -75mV undervolt. It is in immaculate condition. I replaced the stock thermal paste with PTM7950 phase change pad. The AORUS Elite is one of the most sought-after 9070 XT due to its superior build quality, vapor chamber, triple 8-pin power, dual BIOS and higher than average boost clock. Most of the warranty is left and it includes all of the original packaging and accessories. If you can even find this model for sale it will not be anywhere close to MSRP. Scalpers are selling it on Amazon and eBay for ridiculous prices. Price: $700 USD **SOLD** Reason for sale: I purchased a 5090 for my overclocking rig last week and moved my 4090 from the overclocking rig into the work PC. As such, it is a spare GPU. I have enjoyed it and now it is time for someone else to enjoy it. Payment: Zelle cash transfer, PayPal Friends & Family (if your country does not offer F&F add for PayPal fees) Condition: excellent Shipping: include for US residents in the lower 48, actual cost for those in AK, HI, PR International Shipping: Only if buyer is established and trusted in this forum. Actual cost plus any taxes, duties, VAT, etc. I am unable to estimate these costs. Handling time: Same Day or Next Business Day (depending on time of purchase) Feedback: eBay Profile; OC.net MarketPlace Feel free to send a PM with any questions. @Reciever@Clamibot@Raiderman

Will single-play campaign work with TPM and Secure Boot disabled, or did they screw the pooch for everyone including those that do not care about online multi-player?

This one is better.

If I decide to keep it I am going to. I do really like this Zotac Solid OC model. The aesthetics, build quality, size and performance compared to most of the other options is really good IMHO. Thank you. I will have to drop back to those drivers and re-run all of the benchmarks again. I suspect my Sky Diver and Fire Strike and Time Spy scores will also likely go up using old (better) drivers. The newer ones are mostly gamer crap I think. Thank you. I paid $2399 for it. Cheaper than we have seen AIB 5090 selling for, but still probably not worth it when I stop to think about it. Nice GPU, but way too much money for how little gain (related to price) that I am seeing over my 4090. I dusted off the portable AC unit sitting in the garage and parked it in front of the GPU and that made a huge difference in boost clock. I can't catch brother @Papusan with his arctic temperatures. His max load temps are about 15-20°C lower than mine and that really makes a big difference. Anyhoo, so far I am running like 3300-3325 MHz core and that is losing around 200 MHz on account of the higher load temps, but pretty much pegged at the 600W limit (605-610W). Maybe if I keep it and block/shunt/chilled water it, I might be able to give him more of a run for the money. Its too close to stock behavior right now to get within slapping distance. https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5878520 https://www.3dmark.com/sw/2591206 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5878519 https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3594837 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_vulkan/submissions/5878517 https://www.3dmark.com/sn/7957241 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5878516 https://www.3dmark.com/sn/7957336 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_solar_bay/submissions/5878515 https://www.3dmark.com/sb/326913 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_time_spy/submissions/5878513 https://www.3dmark.com/spy/57999178 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_fire_strike/submissions/5878511 https://www.3dmark.com/fs/33672605 https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_sky_diver/submissions/5878518 https://www.3dmark.com/sd/6526977

And those promoting AI want us to "trust the technology" LOL. So many things are wrong with that, and it all starts with those "building" AI. GIGO... garbage in, garbage out. The idiots programming AI are garbage and a waste of human DNA, so naturally anything they produce is going to be "artificial" garbage. They need to be rounded up and exterminated while there is still time. They are unworthy to receive the air they breathe.

That has been true on all of my shunt mods. Not as much as I wanted it to go up, but enough to get a higher core overclock. But, I think they have locked down more stuff on the 5090 FE, which might be why. My Port Royal score also went up about 700 points with the same overclock just by switching to the AORUS Master vBIOS. https://www.3dmark.com/pr/3593815 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_port_royal/submissions/5878251

So, I flashed the Gigabyte AORUS Master 5090 vBIOS and got an instant boost in performance. @Papusanand @jaybee83 isn't that the one you both decided was the best? I tried the Extreme Waterforce version and it disables the fans since that card does not have fans. Same exact overclock settings as the previous post, just different firmware. If keep this it will get blocked and shunt-modded because the voltage and power limits are crippling it. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/139535603 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5878242?recalculate=true

IIt looks fun. f you have to enable TPM and Secure Boot I'm out. Very upsetting to me. BF6 will be the first in the franchise that I will never purchase because of that, but there is no way I am going to bend my knee to that sort of Nazi crap. They can kiss my butt. Does the game launch and run single-player campaign, or did they throw the baby out with the bath water and require their Micro$lop-sponsored anti-cheat cancer even for those that do not do online multiplayer?

Still slowly working toward finding the max core OC. Not there yet. This is with +300 core and +3000 memory. Max voltage is 1.070V. Temps are still great in spite of the little fans @Papusan mentioned. I might have to dust off the portable AC and see if the boost clocks will hold higher under load. https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/139527683 | https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5878196

Thanks. Maybe. 🤣 It definitely doesn't impress to the same degree the 4090 over 3090/3090 Ti did. It is actually not seeming like a huge upgrade over 4090 in spite of what the price would lead one to expect. The build quality is really solid. It doesn't have the cheap plastic vibe going on. Yes, Alphacool makes a Core block for it. If I decide to keep it I will order one. If I keep it I will probably sell the 9070 XT. I'm taking it slow right now. Did a small overclock and got into the top 20 right off the bat. Not sure if there are lots of duds or what. That was too easy, so I don't know what the deal is there. I saw people in reviews complaining this GPU model runs too hot, but that does not seem to be an issue on this one. Temps are better than I expected (65°C core and 72°C memory) for air cooling. I've maxed out the memory slider at +3000 and a mundane +200 core. System is pulling just under 1100W from the wall and a bit over 600W at the GPU. https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5877947 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/139475307

Curiosity got the best of me. Now I have to decide if I am going to keep it. I may not. I will decide after a few days whether or not it was actually worth buying. I am somewhat impressed but also disappointed. I have confirmed what I already believed as an observer: The value is poor. Side note: it never ceases to amaze me how insanely hot every single air cooled GPU is. Even when the core and memory temps are good, the heat just pours off of these things. Whether the GPU is modest or a monster, they all throw off heat like a stinking blast furnace. It amazes me even more that so many people (the majority) are OK with that. These are all stock core and memory clock runs with only the power limits maxed out. The 5090 really doesn't pull that much more power than the 4090. Both of them make the 1000W UPSes that each computer is attached to start squealing about having their capacity maxed out. What is interesting about all of this is yet further confirmation of a fact that I already knew. When I am just playing for the sake of playing and not paying any degree of attention to metrics for benchmark results, the gaming experience based on what GPU is being utilized is somewhat difficult to distinguish. All of them run smooth and everything is fluid and looks close enough to the same I would never know the difference. Even the now old 3080 Turbo with decent settings (as shown below) doesn't really feel all that different than the 5090. There is no question that we are being scammed more than we might care to admit.

Yes you are exactly right. They do not care. And that's why we should not care what they think or want. The problem is that we will all get to have whatever the complicit lowest common denominators and bottom feeders are willing to put up with. So it is up to us to decide whether we are willing to comply or not. My choice is to be non-compliant and enjoy being non-compliant when I do not respect the position of a party that wants to control me or decide how I do things. If I can find a way to do things the way I want to do them I do not care (or even bother to consider) if I have their approval or not. It helps whenever you can view their products and services as unnecessary and expendable. It becomes problematic when you lose the option of making your own decisions, or you believe you have no options and choose to fall in line because resistance is too inconvenient. When that happens we have only ourselves to blame for being complicit.

That is really messed up. I am glad that it does not apply to me. I do not play by their effed up rules. They have no say in the matter as far as I am concerned. Screw 'em.

It makes me happy that people are complaining and leaving negative reviews, and I hope the decision to use an anti-cheat that requires enabling things like Secure Boot and TPM causes severe financial harm, up to and including insolvency, for game developers that choose to go down that Nazi control freak path. It is interesting that the article says it is a requirement for BF 2042 because it runs fine for me without it. I would never play it if I had to enable Secure Boot. I am not sure if that is wrong information or something else. I do not engage in online multi-player gaming, so maybe that is why I have not had any issues. It is an unacceptable requirement for Windows or any other software. It is none of their business and an overstepping of boundaries and an abuse of control to require it for the operating system or any other software. I can only wish for very bad things to happen for any company that does this. In my opinion, in doing so they forfeit the privilege for their company to exist or turn a profit and they deserve whatever misfortune comes their way.

I watched Jay's video a couple of hours ago. He is right. Paying multiple hundreds of dollars more for a brand or "special" model GPU that has very little or nothing to offer that matters is so silly. Paying more for a fancier model or a certain brand makes less sense than it ever has before. Paying more for a GPU with RGB is sort of ironic because not having RGB rainbow puke is a valuable benefit to many of us. I think all of the GPUs (AMD, NVIDIA and Intel) that have no RGB are more aesthetically pleasing.

This does not apply to Black Ops 6. I have that and it works fine. I never enable TPM or Secure Boot, and furthermore, I never plan to enable that filth. My response to the Redmond Retards is... I guess it is not enough for Windows to be turned into unacceptable trash by its creator. Game Devs are deliberately turning their games into garbage, too. They are bowing to their demon-god Micro$oft and committing hara kiri. Sucks to be them. I know I am not alone in saying I will never knowingly purchase a piece of trash game or other software that requires TPM or Secure Boot filth.

They are hurting themselves by their own deliberate acts of abject stupidity and insanity. They are truly idiots and bowing to their demon-god Micro$oft. Sucks to be them.

I guess it is not enough for Windows to be turned into unacceptable trash by its creator. Game Devs are deliberately turning their games into garbage, too. They are committing hara kiri.

Yes, the consumer-focused Core Ultra CPUs outperform the equivalent Ryzen CPUs for business productivity and content creation. A lot of the Ryzen hype is focused on gaming. That has its place, but it's probably not the most important thing when you zoom out and look at everything.

Yeah, it is very important, no question. But there are internal issues that are far more important that need to be fixed first. Things like using lawfare and organized disinformation campaigns against political opponents, financial fraud and misappropriation of taxpayer dollars, special interest programs that cost millions/billions and ultimately benefit no one other than the entities given inappropriate taxpayer funding and government grants, and various organized crime rings within the ranks of our very own government that need to be eliminated first. Otherwise, treasonous violations like selling forbidden technology to China will keep on happening. When we destroy the enemies within we can then shift attention to destroying our external enemies. If you don't clean up your own house first, not only is that hypocritical, you'll just continue playing whack-a-mole with the traitors who sleep with the enemy.

It has become difficult to rely on anything we hear or read. Accuracy is frequently off, whether deliberate or accidental. And polls and surveys are often inaccurate for many reasons. Sometimes deliberate and sometimes just random based on the participation. When it comes to financials, it wouldn't surprise me to see big companies cooking the books to create a view of themselves that they want the rest of the world to see. AI will potentially make all of these things worse, not better. Something as simple as Radeon users predominantly using GOG, Epic or Micro$oft/XBOX client for PC gaming instead of Steam could also skew the numbers. While I do not have anything against Steam, I do gravitate toward buying what I want on GOG and downloading the files for offline installation and use whenever the opportunity to do so is present. I don't like all of the extra crap geared toward social media (Steam Community, Steam Chat, etc.) that comes along with having a Steam account.

That's weird I never saw your post until @jaybee83 quoted it. How the heck you doing brother? Where you been hiding? I hope life has been treating you kind and that everything is well with you.

It is just still so absurdly expensive, even at this unheard of low price. With tax and shipping it comes in at $2550. As much as I would like having a 5090 I am having a really difficult time rationalizing the intelligence of buying one. It's unlikely it will put me in a winner's circle with overclocking among other 5090 owners. Maybe the top 20. I know I will not be happy for very long running it on air because I have never liked any air cooled GPU, so I would end up spending another $200 putting a water block on it. And, before it's even broken in there will be something more powerful to replace it. It is both very tempting and extremely repulsive at the same time. I haven't found a way to convince myself it is actually worth $2550 on air or $2700 on chilled water. It's possible that my foolish fetish for new hardware toys will cause me to lose objectivity and waste money on one, but at this very moment the level-headed side of me is saying no to the idea. The 5080 is priced right, but it is clearly a performance downgrade from 4090 from just about any angle. From an overclocking perspect I would gain almost nothing. The highest 5080 3DMark Time Spy score is substantially lower than my personal best with 4090 on chilled water, so the most I could hope for is a tiny boost in hardware points for benching a piece of hardware that I haven't benched before. In terms of points I would gain the same running it stock as I would overclocking it because my highest scores would fall short of my 4090 submissions. It would be impossible to match, must less beat, my 4090 scores and I would get zero points for the actual benchmark scores. If gaming were something I was super into and still passionate about, then a 5080 would be a smart buy and a respectable value if I didn't already own a 4090. The 5080 is "almost 4090" performance at a much lower price. I've tried to reignite the passion I once had for gaming and it just doesn't get me excited like it did a decade ago. The thrill of overclocked benching diminished my interest in gaming and it doesn't deliver the same level of pleasure that it once did. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/40813006/spy/53314185#

Maybe they have decided to do that so that people that only buy the cheapest GPU will be forced to pay for the more expensive models rather than have their desktop GPU emasculated like a chintzy turdbook.

I was right on the verge of grabbing that. Literally added it to my cart, but I paused and wondered how I would actually benefit from owning it and I am struggling to identify how I actually might. It is hard to avoid an impulse buy as a hardware junky sometimes. I'm still thinking about it and still looking for a legitimate logical reason to justify it. So far, coming up with nothing. If I lose the argument with myself, my granddaughters will inherit the 9070 XT as an upgrade to the Strix 1080 I put in their machine. Sounds like a great deal for them and a pretty big waste of money for me. 🤣 The terrible job is much bigger than any of us knew and there are lots of huge messes that are being worked on. These are not things that happened recently, just the turds floating to the surface. It has been going on for a long time. The only things new are unsettling revelations and accountability that has never been present. The resistance is pretty massive and it is making some people holding positions of power very uneasy. As it should. But, there has to be due process. Although I sometimes wish we could, you can't just swoop in like a vigilante and start lopping off heads even when it is deserved. That's how they do things in places like Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, Russia and South America. This is just one example. There is definitely more going on than we know about because the mainstream press only reports on what they think will make their side of the spectrum look favorable to their shrinking echo chamber. Anything that is favorable to the opposing side is ignored, distorted or completely misreported. There are lots of investigations going on right now and every day something nefarious is being revealed that is verifiable, but never mentioned in the mainstream woke press. There is a lot of nasty sewage in the swamp. It took about a century to fill it up and it won't get drained overnight. It may never get completely drained. More is happening than we know in lots of areas, but this issue probably isn't near the top of the list of priorities. But, contrary to what is getting put out there by the mainstream, great things are happening. Just not great for them. All of the things they misrepresented as fact are proving to be falsehoods and deep state conspiracies, at an alarming rate. So this tech stuff, while undeniably important, takes a back seat. Bigger fish need to be fried before they shift their focus to the technology treason taking place.