Mr. Fox

To all for whom the holiday is relevant, have a good day tomorrow as we celebrate the freedom we enjoy and honor those who gave their lives so that we can.

Nice job!

I haven't change the price on overclock.net but I am willing to knock $50 off the mobo and CPU combo for members of this forum. So, $500 + shipping. The motherboard is basically brand new. It was purchased for the sole purpose of identifying each CPU (SP ratings) because I had lost track.

16GB modules or 24GB? The 24GB modules suck on the Gene. They work perfectly on the generation newer Master. If you are testing only 24GB modules I am not surprised. If you want that you're probably going to need to get an X870E motherboard to find the appropriate attention to it at the firmware level. The Gene has a BIOS update intended to support 24GB modules, but using them still sucks in terms of performance and stability. I really do not believe it is a hardware issue, just lack of proper attention to firmware.

I really think part of what you are finding is poor firmware support for the 24GB modules. EOL platforms (Intel and AMD) are never going to get the level of firmware support they deserve because the expectation is for everyone to waste money on a new motherboard. I think it is deliberate and orchestrated. The 24GB modules also do not work well on Intel unless the motherboard OEM gives it the effort needed. And, it usually takes two or three BIOS updates focused on that before it works well.

It is puzzling to me that anyone would pay $1,000 USD for an MSI Godlike or ASUS Extreme motherboard. Other than a couple of cheap to make gadgets and gimmicks they offer little or nothing and seem to be a total waste of money, especially on a Ryzen build. It applies to Intel as well. Just a scam to milk more money from those easily influenced by marketing rhetoric I think. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29469837/

Hey Brother @jaybee83 have you tried any of this stuff yet? You get it straight from Splave out of Austin, TX. https://splavepc.com/ Essentially the same performance as KPx and Duronaut. The KPx application had been in use a week or so. The Splave One and Duronaut were fresh applications. The Splave one did not work as well with a manual spread. I redid it with a line down the middle and let the waterblock spread it. Bottom line: it doesn't matter which one you choose. Use what you have. If the Duronaut is actually more durable (as claimed) it may be the better long-term choice.

Ah ha! An A$$rock Ryzen CPU killer! 🤣 The X870E boards (Carbon, Master, etc.) and most of the B850 boards can just about all do over 8000 even with 2dpc. It's rare with AM5 600 series to see 8000. You could grab an ATX B850 board for even less and confirm that the old mobo is the limiting factor. One of the great things about the AORUS Master is that it has asynchronous BCLK (eCLK). Not many X870E motherboards do, and most of those that do are all a WHOLE LOT more expensive (Apex, Godlike, etc.). Most of the appropriately priced options do not. The only major flaw for the Master (and other Gigabutt boards) is no BIOS option to disable the slot for WiFi/BT modules. I don't know why they do not make this available like other brands. It seems they operation on the ludicrious assumption that everyone uses WiFi/BT and everyone is using Windows 11 (WiFi 7 doesn't work on Windows 10). One of these days I am going to see if @Prema can find a way to expose/enable that. If not I will probably remove the VRM heatsink/IO cover and remove the modules from the slots. I hate having WiFI/BT enabled and not having a way to disable them. Plus, I couldn't use the WiFI even if I wanted to, because Windows 11 is too shitty to use just so WiFi would work. I'd use a USB WiFi card instead to avoid Winduhz 11 crap. The other thing (and it is common on all AMD boards... ASUS just fixed it with the most recent BIOS updates) is tRCDWR/RD are combined into one setting that equalizes them. You have to use hex numbers on the AMD Overclocking menu to manually adjust tRCDWR.

My money is on this one turning out best. Will be interesting to see if that prediction is true. The only memory kit I have that works better than that one is the 32GB (16x2) equivalent. The G.SKILL Neo 6000 C23 kit seems to function the same as the 8000 kit. Both kits will run the other kit's EXPO profile stable with the same read/write/copy/latency.

Making good products that work correctly is no longer necessary because people are too eager to pay double a product's value for the sake of bragging rights. It doesn't have to be any good, and it can even be broken, but that's OK as long as they get to attend the party. The doorway to the dance floor at Club Stupid is a wide one, and it's always open.

No idea, honestly. Nor do I care if I am completely transparent. As soon as I discover deal-breaking functionality defects and design flaws I stop wasting time with products and no longer care about them in any way. The Taichi was used 15 minutes before the RMA was submitted and it spent less than an hour out of the box. My interest in the Apex was lost on first boot. As soon as I confirmed the only slot I could use was the one above the GPU I was done with it. I wasted a few days trying to convince myself it was not a piece of trash and trying to find a reason to keep it, but common sense won. $800 is too much for a broken pile of dung. Overclocking is what I value most, but I still need the product to do everything I want it to or I'm not going to keep it. I manage people the same way. Either do what I tell you to do, and do it the way I tell you (or trained you) to do it, or you're fired. My way or the highway. That said, nothing really stands out as superior on any Ryzen platform. Mostly belly button cookie-cutter crap. There is no identifiable performance advantage to the Gene over the Carbon or Master. In fact, the Carbon and Master both have better memory performance and higher benchmark scores, but we are talking minuscule differences within the margin of error. The Gene was ahead of its time. Now others have caught up and the Gene doesn't totally destroy everything else like it used to. Going from a cumbersome manual tuning of 6000 to 8000 to 8400 on Ryzen produces minimal measurable differences. There is no night and day difference in performance no matter what you do. We got spoiled with Intel. Then they came in and took a dump on their own living room floor with the skanky wuss-boy Core Ultra trash. You are totally right about the improvements with the 800 series. Pretty big improvements in several ways. The implementation sometimes lacks intelligence (Apex, Taichi and others being examples) but that is not the fault of AMD or the chipset. It's just half-hearted and unintelligent motherboard engineering on the part of the OEM. I replied to your post. There is never a shortage of stupid. Maybe that PC owner is a pre-adolescent girl. Stupid crap like that gives you another reason to have the vomiting man avatar.

These are probably the last benchmarks that I will run on the Gene. And, one for the Master before heading to bed... (slower 24GB memory module performance performance vs 16GB modules)

Good. That makes me happy. I hated CAMM2 as soon as I saw it and never wanted it in the first place. I hope the idea gets scrapped. More change merely for the sake of change, and only because imbeciles are making all of the decisions. I wish they would burn their calories on something good and necessary and stop inventing new crap for people to be forced into buying because their old parts will no longer fit. Idiots. So, I ordered my second X870E AORUS Master so I can sell the Gene. I haven't posted it yet, but a member of overclock.net got wind that I might sell it and messaged me. He said he would let me know by Sunday. If he doesn't then I will list it. I purchased this AORUS Master on April 13 from Amazon for $478. It has since gone up to $550 on Amazon and NewEgg, but I found it at Central Computers for $490 and ordered it there. It seems kind of crazy that the best AM5 motherboard (in my opinion) is made by Gigabyte. I never would have guessed this would be true. Everything just works right. The Gene is a great motherboard, too. It is unfortunate that it is mATX. Otherwise it would be a keeper. Unless it were to have all of the same flaws as the X870E Apex, in which case it would be crap. I'm still sad that the X870E Apex sucked. Heck, even the low budget B850 AORUS Elite was better than the Apex or the Taichi. The Carbon was also better than the Apex, but not as good as the Master.

Thanks brother. Somebody needs to grab that dirt cheap CPU/mobo combo before I change my mind about selling it.

Excess is always better than lack or mere adequacy.

I tagged you over here @tps3443 about someone looking to trade down + cash. https://www.overclock.net/threads/my-5090-astral-for-your-5090-fe-1200-usd.1816392/

Be sure to also test BIOS defaults. In addition to having trouble booting with BIOS defaults with a few Intel kits, many were not even error free running with BIOS defaults. Once I stopped trying and only bought EXPO kits designed for AMD things got a lot easier.

Interesting that you purchased some Intel XMP kits instead of exclusively EXPO. I have had poor results attempting to use XMP memory on AMD. Even booting using the default memory profile has been hit or miss and custom tuning a bit more cumbersome. Something is different at the firmware level. Look forward to seeing your results.

More speed is always nice, but the "neon" Neo aesthetic, not so much. Gimme black. But, yes to more speed.

If you are interested in the 13900KS that is currently bundled with the Strix motherboard I can unbundle it. Shoot me a PM if you do want to. It is a better than average silicon sample. 13900KS SP108 (120_E84_MC83) - SP Rating Photos

Newest addition to the Green Goblin's overpriced broken trash circus.

What is funny is the 13900KS in the Strix mobo (part of the combo for sale) is running the AMD EXPO memory at 6400 with tight timings. It's almost identical in AIDA64 benchmark as the 9950X with painstakingly tuned 8000. Intel still stomps AMD on memory performance with faster read/write/copy and lower latency running 1600 MT/s slower than AMD. The 9950X beats it on all-core brute force, but loses on memory performance, latency and single through 16 thread performance. It's only when the weak baby girl smartphone cores are needed that the 14900KS can't beat the 9950X on highly threaded workloads. The 8 cores and 16 threads on the second 9950X CCD run at about 1.0GHz faster than the 13th and 14th Gen Atom cores can run.

I'm surprised nobody at oc.net has jumped on those CPUs and the motherboard combo. They must be scared because of the recent marketplace fraud outbreak, but maybe the guy that bought that one part being first to go out on a limb will break the ice. A number of PMs with interest. All of the CPUs are better than average samples, they just were not my best samples. Brother @Clamibot got one of them. The person that bought the white Apex got the other one.

I was going to message you and see if you wanted me to send you the delid tool to borrow and return after you delid. I can do it for you if you prefer, so either way works for me. Let me know your preference. The nice thing about the Intel Mycro is you don't have to worry about liquid metal going where you don't want it. There is a built-in border around the die.

Awesome. I saved it for you. I will print a label and let you know how much the postage is, but otherwise it is a gift.