Mr. Fox

Maybe they chose to be the high price king because they can't win by any other measurement .

Yup. I'm out. Not interested in throwing money away on a 5090 even if it was available at non-scalper grossly overvalued retail sucker prices. $100 more than what I paid for my Gigabutt 4090 is all any 5090 is worth to me, except for 5090 FE which should be $500 less than what I paid for that 4090 due to the defective 5090 FE design.

Maybe the word "repulsive." It really all depends on the accentuation and emphasis upon tone and pronunciation at the point of delivery. If done properly, a completely innocuous word that doesn't even make good sense in the context you use it can be hurled as a verbal assault, delivered in an insulting manner that sounds like the most vile and offensive filth that ever spewed from a person's lips. Examples: That note plucking bucket is a lime-scented candle-licker. She is just another caramelized acetone-tumbling skillet.

Nope. Did I expect for anyone to be smart about it, or for anything to make good sense? Nope. Some of the smartest people that I have ever seen become bat$hit crazy when graphics cards are involved. The A$$zeus tax seems to be an extra $350 no matter the model, price tag or performance tier. Now all brands have joined the party. It's called the "let's screw everyone dumb enough to let us" party. We're all invited to their nasty glory hole paper launches. They are using toilet paper instead of cardboard this time. It burns faster and produces less soot.

Good things come to those that wait... Being pulled back from the edge is always preferred to falling over the edge. Especially when it is such a long way to the bottom. Looks like the scalping nonsense is poised to strike with the sissy-boy 5070 Ti. If you want 5070 Ti pricing you'll need to wait for the baby-girl 5070 or 5060 launch. "We don't have any 5090 or 5080 to sell, but we will sell you a 5070 Ti for the 5080 price."

I will see if I can find the thread and see who he is. Is he a longtime member with feedback from other sales transactions? If not, then definitely something to approach with great caution. Is he in the US or another country? I ask because problems are harder to resolve with legal action if one of the parties is not a US citizen and they can often get away with scams and shenanigans scott-free. I've been scammed twice by sales on eBay to individuals in China and eBay was worthless. I did not get paid for what was sold. Edit: I found it. Looks like he has been part of the community for a long time. His user profile shows a decent amount of recent unrelated forum activity and he is in Louisiana. So no huge red flags. He has no buyer or seller feedback, but lots of people do not. There is always a first time for everyone. Maybe see if you can talk to the guy by phone and work it out. Any reasonable person would agree to that. https://www.overclock.net/threads/asus-rog-strix-gaming-rtx-4090-oc-edition-24gb-gddr6x-gpu.1814813/

Newer is always better newer. 😉

It is always a silicon lottery on the core and often the memory for all brands. You get lucky or you don't no matter what you buy. It might be a superior silicon sample, but not because it is an overpriced Strix, just a matter of random luck. It's unfortunate that paying extra for a Strix doesn't actually allow any degree of confidence for realizing anything more for your money than an ASUS Dual, MSI Ventus, PNY XLR8 or Windforce other than a bit more garish than normal amounts of rainbow puke and candy-colored splash accents, and a freakishly large metal shroud to make it heavier and more likely to tear memory and core BGA solder pads off the PCB.

No guarantee it would have been any better than what you have now. The Strix 4090 that I bought and returned for refund totally sucked at core and memory overclocking. My 4090 MSI Suprim and my 4090 GB Gaming OC both obliterated the crappy Strix turd GPU that I sent back to NewEgg. I do not consider any ASUS GPU a good option, especially Strix and Astral models, because they are overpriced beyond everything else for no valid reason and offer no guarantee of giving you anything in return for the higher price tag except for a stupid proprietary upside-down 12VHPWR morphodite connector. ASUS is totally a joke when it comes to GPUs. If I had to buy one it would be a TUF or Prime GPU. You can probably get $2000+ your 4090 from an idiot. Even 3090 Ti is still selling for around $1500, 3090 for $1000+ and 3080 Ti for around $900. Who knew there were so many retards left? GPU prices make them easy to spot. The problem is that anything you sell for an "appropriate" price will cost you twice what its true value is to replace it. I don't own any 12V2x6 cables. I think all revisions of the 12VHPWR connector are like putting lipstick on a pig and don't believe the "new and improved" connectors are any less fragile or prone to melting.

Both of my 4090s still look fine and they both have a Thermal Grizzly WireView in the GPU socket. My hope is that if the cables ever melt they will melt into the WireView socket and leave the GPU socket alone. The one in the Ryzen build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Corsair PSU and the Apex build uses the 12VHPWR cable included with the Thermaltake Toughpower. The 3090 Ti is also still looking normal and it uses the Corsair PSU 12VHPWR cable connected directly to the GPU. I have no reason to believe that any of them will melt since they have not even though I have pushed close to 700W through the wimpy 12VHPWR connectors on both of the 4090s numerous times, but the possibility is never forgotten or dismissed.

Paying extra for tacky crap that only kiddos care about is the way things are done now. What matters most no longer matters. Remember, these are the same bozos that think that dumb-looking cartoon character action hero and stupid Pokemon figurines perched on their GPU or on top of the case are what make their computer something special. I actually prefer the muted appearance of cards like this one and the ASUS TUF over the garish gamer trash.

Maybe not when it first goes to market, but after a short time it is ultimately the people purchasing products that determine the price. If everyone accepts ludicrous prices they remain indefinitely ludicrous. When enough people say no and walk away from overpriced products, that is when we identify what those objects are truly worth. The value of any product is defined by how much people will pay for that product. How much it cost to produce and how much or little profit (or loss) is derived from the sale of it ultimately does not matter. The defining moment is at the cash register. When idiots are in the majority and common sense becomes a derrogatory adjective rather than a compliment, we see things like current 4090 and 5090 scalper prices become the new normal at the cash register. So, ultimately we have only to thank the man in the mirror and the legions of similarly unintelligent people surrounding us. Saying no to impulsive desires is not that difficult, but most people are not willing to exercise good judgment or self-restraint when it feels too good for them to stroke whatever monkey tickles them most. What would be really wonderful would be seeing repeated product launch failures and collapse of sales of new-to-market products because of overly-aggressive predator pricing. Manufacturers should be put in a position of having to actually go to the effort of identifying ways to sell enough volume of modestly profitable products to keep the lights on and stay in the black. That's is what needs to happen and what would be for the ultimate good of everyone, but it will likely never happen. Good things happen to bad people but good things never happen to idiots that facilitate and contribute to their own self-destruction.

The availability problem being solved will only matter for those willing to be screwed unless prices fall to what 40-series video card already poor value MSRP was. Otherwise the juice is not worth the squeeze and you're still getting screwed. Anything above $1000 for 5080 or $1800 for 5090 and you're screwing yourself and everyone else that you don't care about. The only winner is the seller that you allowed to screw you in the butt with no lube. I really hope so. It needs to hurt severely. Bad behavior and stupid decisions need to carry brutal consequences for the person acting them out. The attitude that I want what I want when I want it and don't care how much it costs or how the willingness to overpay harms everyone else in the process deserves to end in tragedy and burn a never-forgotten painful lesson into brains of those that found no ability to exercise self-control or sound judgement that they carry to their grave. It would be good lesson for every 5090 owner that fought to be first to find out everyone else is paying $800-$1000 less than you did. If you camped on the sidewalk then it just sucks even more to be you, because you were an even dumber dumba$$.

If it doesn't handle ray tracing well it would not be worth purchasing at any price unless it is priced below Arc B850. It is hard to forgive and excuse a GPU released in 2025 that still sucks at ray tracing. Hopefully it will not because we need them to have at least one horse in the race to keep NGREEDIA from becoming even more insane than they already are.

If those are Amazon prices, then I expect they will be at least $125 to $250 more (higher for the not "sold and shipped by" marketplace scalper scum) than prices from respectable retailers like Microcenter, B&H Photo, Best Buy, Provantage, etc. and the somewhat-respectable (non-Marketplace scalper scum) online retailers like NewEgg.

It will need to be around 30% less expensive than the closest competing GPU from NVIDIA before I could view it as a good option. But, there will be lots of fanboys buying it regardless of whether or not it's a strong GPU or priced to value. The lousy drivers and poor ray tracing and insane hotspot temps are minor sacrifices for fanboys. Scalpers are marking up the Arc B850 $100-150 and those are selling for about what I'm thinking the 9070 XT should be worth. But, I'm going to wait on passing final judgment until it finds its way into the hands of end users that know how things should work to put it through the paces. The 9950X was better than I expected it to be, and a lot better than most the YouTube influencer idiots said it was. The difference being it doesn't suck for me because I don't use PBO. But they (the YouTube Clown Posse) do, so of course it sucked compared to an LGA-1700 i9 KS CPU.

I believe it will be a success for a few reasons. NVIDIA is better and probably always will be. But... Haters are gonna hate, and there's much for haters to hate about NVIDIA Fanboys don't care if it's good or not as long as fits their anti-NVIDIA agenda they'll buy it Everything sold in the NVIDIA brand is a poor value and grossly overpriced (all ends of the spectrum) It uses legacy 8-pin PCIe connectors instead of the new feces connector (I knew that the fragile and crappy 12VHPWR connectors would suck the first time I saw it, before the first one was ever reported to have melted) If it runs well enough and is priced consistent with how it performs (25-35% below the closest NVIDIA GPU) I would pause to considder it, even though I've never liked any Radeon card that I have owned (so far). We will find out soon enough if there is anything to care about. That is at least $250 more than it's worth if it can't beat a 3090 Ti or 7900 XTX and $350 too much if it runs like a 4070 TI Super. If it performs below 4070 Ti Super then just skip it and buy an Arc B850 instead. Remember, it's going to have missing or inferior features and suck at ray tracing. It certainly is not. I'm getting close to not even wanting to be part of it anymore. I bet it is hard working for a company that produces the trashiest, most defective and bloated malware version of Windows ever produced. Everyone would know that the OS that your employer (and ultimately you as an employee) produces sucks at almost everything other than being a virus that steals your personal information. And, if that were not already bad enough it even looks like garbage besides functioning like garbage. It is sad to think that people involved in the development of it might even be dumb enough to believe that they are doing something they should be proud of. They should feel ashamed and don't even know it.

If it performs about like a 3090 Ti or 4080 it will be worth that, but it certainly seems like a stupid price based on leaks we have seen. Amazon almost never sells GPUs at correct prices. They are GPU scalpers. If it comes in under $700 I might consider getting one if it performs like a 3090 Ti or 4080. But, we really don't know much and I am not expecting it to be an impressive product apart from having 8-pin connectors.

Trailer Swift probably doesn't like this. Good. 🤣

Even if they do not melt, people worry now about them not being plugged in and damage the wimpy pins pushing in on them too hard to try to avoid melting from a poor connection. The trashiest and most poorly designed, fragile connector available, and it's available exclusively for the most expensive brand of GPUs money can buy. Defective engineering has its pluses. Places like Northridge Fix, Northwest Repair and KrisFix will never run out of GPUs to fix or videos to share on YouTube. Thanks, NVIDIA. 💩

Another example using single-core... within a normal margin of error. No clear winner. 13900KS - https://hwbot.org/submission/5612229 9950X - https://hwbot.org/submission/5786799

Nice it looks like your results suggest my impressions might be right. This might be one of a small number of games that can utilize high core/thread count CPUs.

9950X vs 14900KS Trading Blows Frame Generation Enabled Frame Generation Disabled 2560x1440 3840x2160 Cinebench scores aside (thanks to 16 slower Atom smartphone cores) the more I use both of these systems, the less I can tell them apart. They are so close to one another in most things that it is nearly irrelevant. Too bad the Atom cores can't handle 5.4GHz all-core. That would allow it to soundly beat the 9950X but the 1.0GHz handicap on half the cores and threads tilts the table in favor of 9950X for CPU compute workloads.