Mr. Fox

20 minutes ago, Papusan said:

LOOL

 

Now it seems AMD also has accepted the tiny 12+4 trash connector. So they trust it for workstation cards but not for their gamer cards. Hmmm, amusing 😆

 

in short… Don’t let the gamerkids play with the fire, HaHa
 

ASRock Radeon RX 7900 XTX & 7900 XT Workstation GPUs Adopt 12V-2×6 Connector & 2-Slot Design For AI Setups

Whuuutttta? You gotta be kidding me. Have they had their heads up their tailpipes?  Why would they do something so stupid, unless they actually are stupid and not paying attention.

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

For me this looks very boring😔 Not so sure bro @Mr. Fox see it any differently than me.

1 hour ago, Talon said:

I did the same napkin math last night. This is not good for AMD.

Yeah, I do not see it any differently. I did not expect to. But, I do expect the YouTube influencer shills to jump on the hype train. They always do. It doesn't matter whether it is an Intel, AMD or NVIDIA product, they beat their drums and fabricate the hype needed to motivate the sheeple to reach for their keyboards and wallets.

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

So, I have a question. The picture I took of my gpu reading zero's, was still plugged into my monitor! I just thought the on board graphics took over. In fact when I switch the bios to the low power, gpuz only reports Raphael as my gpu. I may take everything back apart and flash everything again.

 

@electrosoft

 

So it is using your integrated graphics to output through the discrete GPU monitor ports?

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Asus want more but offer less. Is less always more bro @ryan🤔

 

 

That is a very good SFF motherboard. Better than most ATX and E-ATX "enthusiast" motherboards. If I did not already have the MSI Z790i Edge that I bought from Brother @electrosoft I would get that one. I think they are very comparable in terms of capabilities. Both better than any 4-DIMM "enthusiast" option.

Also accurate... starting from where it matters in the video... time for us all to stop spending money on "better" brands that cost a lot and are NOT better products in terms of results.

16 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Yes those are the 8npin connectors. I love your optimism. I should have known to not rush something like this during nap time 🤣😭

If Tony cannot fix it, nobody can. That guy is quite the wizard. Unless the GPU core is dead (not likely) he will be able to fix it for a fraction of the cost of a replacement.

The decapitation of the 14900KF that I bought from cletus-cassidy was uneventful and turned out well. Putting it on bare die dropped the CBR 23 core max by 20°C. I'll probably be able to lower the voltage further now and make it even better. (This is not the system with the chiller and 5-gallon reservoir.) I sure do like the IceMan Cooling Direct Die block so much. I'm glad I bought two of them and replaced the Supercool block. You don't even need to clean all of the black IHS sealant off. Just knock off the high spots with your fingernail, apply the liquid metal, and assemble. The stock IHS sealant makes a nice dam for the liqud metal and it does not interfere with die contact.

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Tape was supposed to be where the red circle is. It was just below it when I took it apart

That looks like the back of the pins on the three 8-pin power connectors, in which case the tape should have been there to prevent a short against the back plate. It may be as simple as a blown fuse. I hope so.

1 hour ago, Raiderman said:

Bro, you're cruel. I don't know. What is northwest repair?

Just sent Tony at northwest repair an email.

Tony's a straight shooter. He's who fixed the 2080 Ti FTW3 for me when I accidentally slammed the tower  down on my desk and it stopped working.  I love watching his videos. Maybe he will do a video of your GPU repair.
 

I would install the air cooler before sending it to him so he can do proper testing on it.

27 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I find NWR and his work to be more exacting than the other popular guy when dealing with GPUs. I think he is the one who repaired @Mr. Fox's 2080ti and has decent rates.

Yes, indeed. And, he is in Portland, OR... so just up the road  (I-84) a bit from Brother @Raiderman

29 minutes ago, Reciever said:

It was a feature that I didnt even have to request, as Hiew is of the same thought process. We did toy with a couple of other themes and just kind of stuck with the 2-3 up til now. 

 

In other news, I have put in my notice with work. Lets just say things spiraled into an untenable scenario that was wildly outside of what could be justified under the current wage. While I will be acquiring a skill or two in the interim to update my resume between employment, I will have the time needed to work on a few things here that have long been on my mind.

I trust that it will end well and with a  positive outcome that surpasses what would be possible had you remained in the status qol

On 5/30/2024 at 9:48 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Edit: It DID NOT hurt system resources. If anything it helped. Windows 10/11 are usually horrible at wprime 32M. Look @Papusan this is much closer to Windows 7 than Windows 10/11 typically are.
 

The Windows 10 version of Win-X Lite is even better. Very close to Windows 7 wPrime 32m CPU performance.

https://hwbot.org/imgs/3159361

6 hours ago, Prema said:

Am I blind or am I not able to react to posts here from my mobile browser?

 

System Info just got an update with CPU utilization graph:

 

https://benchmarks.ul.com/downloads/systeminfo/latest

"X" marks the spot. 

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

 

If you are using the default theme the white hand in the bottom right hand of a post is basically not viewable. Its a goof of the forum software in my honest opinion. 

I did not realize that since I find the eyeball-searing white web page themes so repulsive. With a bright monitor white browser themes are enough to make a dark room seem as bright as daylight, not to mention giving me a skull-splitting headache, LOL. I always choose a dark theme whenever one is available.

6 hours ago, Prema said:

Am I blind or am I not able to react to posts here from my mobile browser?

A lot of things are goofed up on mobile platform with the forum. Do you have a yellow thumbs up icon in the lower right corner of a post you are looking at? That's what you top on.

3 minutes ago, Prema said:

 

Yeah, saw that, but nope Notebook 4090 doesn't have an ECC option.

Result is as valid as it gets. 😄

HWBOT and UL are hung up on seeing the flag enabled and won't count it if it is not. Nice, huh? (Stupid.)

7 minutes ago, Prema said:

 

😇

 

https://www.3dmark.com/sn/174654

Nice... looks like that is very close to 7900 XTX and desktop 4080 level performance. 

Does 4090 laptop GPU have ECC enable/disable option in NVIDIA Control Panel? Lots of controversy about that on desktop 4090. Desktop 4090 owners are being held to a different standard than all other GPU owners because the goons at NVIDIA enabled that stupid option.

Here's mine. https://www.3dmark.com/sn/60280

17 minutes ago, Prema said:

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Well hello, stranger. Nice seeing you here. You have been sorely missed Brother @Prema.

That is a pretty impressive score for a laptop CPU.

1 hour ago, Talon said:

I heavily considering buying an AM5 rig with this new gen and then an Arrow Lake setup when they drop this fall. I sort of want to compare the 2 rigs and get some real first hand experience and hands on tuning with them. Unfortunately I have a feeling I'll be super disappointed but I'd love to make some comparison content with them. 

I know exactly what you are describing. I was super excited about the X570 and 5950X and I was just devastated when it turned out to be such an expensive disappointment. It was a costly lesson for me, but had I not done it I would have always wondered if my mind could be changed. Now I know it can't be and I don't have to wonder. I avoid using the word "never" to leave my options open, but I remain extremely doubtful and biased because I don't like being disappointed, especially when money is involved.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

And here you can see AMD really show it's ugly face... Want oc'ing. Buy better board. 

 

Changes are also coming to the mid-range segment. The B650E and B650 chipsets will be replaced by the B850 and B840, respectively. This marks the introduction of the X40 class in the AMD portfolio, using a different chipset (Prom19) compared to the higher-tier boards. The main difference between the B850 and B840 is that the B840 will not support CPU overclocking.

 

See @ryanNew has to be better. Replaced = Newer.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-confirms-new-b840-chipset-no-cpu-oc-support-and-no-pcie-gen5

Repulsive. 🤢 But, the gamerboyz are happy with X3D CPUs that are not great at overclocking, already do not have unlocked core ratios and have lower TDP than their non-X3D counterparts. If the CPU doesn't overclock well and the user isn't interested, probably no point in wasting money on a motherboard that supports it.  So, I guess it's all good drinking from the no-overclocking gamer cesspool as long as it has RGB rainbow puke onboard. Maybe they'll go a step further and make it even easier for the kiddos by making it BGA trash with a soldered CPU. If it not overclockable, then may as well include the RAM, too. Add $5.00 for the extra solder.

47 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

 

Confirmed. All 4000 series graphics cards offer corrupted results if you push your vram. But only the  4090 flagship get the special treatment from Hwbot.... Most likely because this card provide highest global scores and offer ECC settings Enabled in NCP that offer people corrupted cards. Nice. 

 

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29334556/

Bugged scores have always been possible. Same for CPU, especially from Winduhz 8 forward with the messed up RTC. But, making RTX 4090 owners damage the memory on their most expensive GPUs in order to submit valid results is just downright idiotic. Bugged scores are normal. Why suddenly it is a problem only for the owners of 4090? Because the HWBOT golden boys don't like their predestined path to victory being challenged by pions that haven't been anointed, that's why.

Seems like a fitting place to share this.

@Raiderman posted something about this and I missed it, but check this out. It is not a Windows 7 theme. It actually replaced the Windows 11 GUI and numerous elements with Windows 7. This is Windows 11 so I will call it "7-11", no offense to Southland Corporation and their respectable convenience store chain. It even restored the Windows 7 Media Center. System resources are respectable, too.

There is also a Vista GUI option.

https://r8p.teknixstuff.com/

Besides low system resources, it seems like this GUI correction actually improved performance. This is much closer to Windows 7 wprime 32m performance than Windows 10/11 can do. Windows 10/11 wPrime 32m performance is normally horribly sluggish.

@Raiderman posted something about this and I missed it, but check this out. It is not a Windows 7 theme. It actually replaced the Windows 11 GUI and numerous elements with Windows 7. This is Windows 11 so I will call it "7-11", no offense to Southland Corporation and their respectable convenience store chain. It even restored the Windows 7 Media Center. System resources are respectable, too.

There is also a Vista GUI option.

https://r8p.teknixstuff.com/

Edit: It DID NOT hurt system resources. If anything it helped. Windows 10/11 are usually horrible at wprime 32M. Look @Papusan this is much closer to Windows 7 than Windows 10/11 typically are.
 

23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

NVIDIA will never give us their best out of the chute. NVIDIA will only give us as much as what is needed to be more than what AMD's flagship offers, and then charge extra for the priviledge of owning something better. They'll meter the performance, spoon-feed their customers and hold back what their hardware and software can actually deliver for later on and then charge more for it as an "upgrade" when it is not a new product and actually costs them nothing to flip a switch in the firware or enable the code in software and pretend that it is something better. It kind of sucks when the best of the best is a wolf in sheep's clothing, but it is what it is.

5090 will get a "miraculous" boost in performance through mystical driver chemotheraphy if next gen RDNA is better than expected. If not, then it will maintain it predestined level of muted performance. Lather, rinse, repeat.

12 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

This one I posted on OCN will be fun to follow. If you are in risk for 4080 vram corrupted benchmarks results and you can't "Enable ECC" in NCP for said graphics card, then why do you need have to do it for 4090? Because the elite/choosen ones for the most get free 4090's to maximice Global points?

 

My post here. The Steel  Nomad mess is discussed in the 4080 forum.

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-4080-super-owners-club.1800848/post-29334454

Yup. Everyone should just buy only new Arc GPUs, or used RX 500 and 6000 AMD and NVIDIA 3000 series GPUs or use integrated graphics and stick with 1080p gaming and see how the hardware vendors and game developers feel about that.

So, the HWBOT solution here is to create a handicap and require 4090 owners to deliberately cripple their flagship product and allow owners of the lesser products to get away with following a different set of rules. Basically.

Everyone gets a trophy for participating.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Just rumors but it fits very well with the rumored info above.... Why max out the performance if the competitors doesn't want to compete? Capped down GPU in all ways doesn't need huge coolers.

 

NVIDIA will never give us their best out of the chute. NVIDIA will only give us as much as what is needed to be more than what AMD's flagship offers, and then charge extra for the priviledge of owning something better. They'll meter the performance, spoon-feed their customers and hold back what their hardware and software can actually deliver for later on and then charge more for it as an "upgrade" when it is not a new product and actually costs them nothing to flip a switch in the firware or enable the code in software and pretend that it is something better. It kind of sucks when the best of the best is a wolf in sheep's clothing, but it is what it is.

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Here's more disgusting new modern tech.... Spacetop

Wow. Picture response time.

That is a piece of [insert image 1] that makes we want to [insert image 2].

49 minutes ago, Papusan said:

@Mr. Fox The cat has come out from the bag. I got answer on my legit question about why not go back to the roots. Directly from UL/Futuremark's representative. The whole reason UL/Futuremark have changed  goal and how they make and design new modern 3DM benchmarks is because of stupid PC users. The sad truth.... Stupid PC users is the main reason we have got toy-like benchmark software from UI that can't or don't show how your pc doing in workflow and in games as for etc 3D benchmarks. Didn't understand = Stupid. Isnt that correct explained bro @ryan?🤔 

 

Now you all can see why 3DM Steel Nomad never ever will be a real 3DM Time Spy replacement. It was too complicated to understand by the (average) modern computer user/gamers.

 

Me who thought the world was going forwards and that people become smarter due more helpful tools and more help on the internet. When >I was a kid.... I only had books.... Maybe young people should go back to books and start use pc's and internet less? 

 

 

You can ask yourself.... What will AI do for tomorrows computer users/gamers? Make them dumber than ever? @Rage Set

Well, at least his response confirms what I believe. Stupid is the new normal and extremely common. Businesses generally take one of two approaches. 

1. Do what is best for the business. What customers consumers want does not matter. Screw 'em. We will do as we wish, and consumers will continue using our sucky products because they need them. We have them over a barrel (e.g. Micro$lop Windoze, crApple Mac OS).
2. Do what most customers want, even when it is wrong and totally stupid. It doesn't matter if our product sucks if it is what they want. It's their fault that our product sucks. They're stupid, but we want their money.

14 hours ago, Reciever said:

 

Perfect, there was a recent update to the forum software to address some issues but we're still monitoring it all the same.

Looks like I spoke too soon. Accessing the forum this morning is painfully slow like before.

48 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Tbh I'm not interested in anything single threaded, and there isn't many, if any, current games or software that do not take advantage of multi-thread cpu's. I don't run any of those benchmarks either, because what's the point? Seeing if your excel spreadsheet opens a micro second faster? I haven't cared about single threaded benchmarking for over a decade.

Word. Same. Single thread is for baby-girls. SIngle-thread overclocking is Frank Azor nonsense.

On another note... good. Glad to hear this. Hopefully, it will result in legal sanctions and hefty fines. They deserve it.