Mr. Fox

He is right. People are watching his videos, but not listening and acting. Having nothing to hide isn't a valid reason to let everyone spy on and steal from you. It is stupefying to think people are still buying iPhones and using the latest versions of OSX and Windows. The human race is digging its own grave with a smile on its face. The video is longer than average sheeple attention span, but it is worth the watch.

I have never heard of this lady before, but she has a very nice voice. Very smooth and seemingly effortless for her.

Those of us that wanted (or bought and had orders cancelled) may have dodged a bullet. Imagine paying $1200 for a $600 GPU and discovering that it sucks at overclocking. You get wallet effed and effed on a castrated part that is not satisfying to own. 

I do not like Red Devil GPUs. They are too tacky-looking to me, like the ASRock cards. I would only want something like one of the XFX Mercury and other models that are more nondescript aesthetically, like the ASUS Prime. 

Wow. Something new and it looks pretty crazy. Up to 384GB of VRAM that is upgradable.

30 minutes ago, Vasudev said:

I can't even remove it once inserted on my gigabyte windforce 4070S OC GPU on ATX 3 PSU MSI ABN. Its just too tight. It was scary for me coming from 6+2 cables which were easy to remove and route.

The whole thing is just stupid. There is and was no reason for NVIDIA to deploy this garbage connector. To see two AMD AIB partners using it on Radeon cards merely reinforces that the people making decisions are inept and incompetent and shouldn't even be allowed to decide what to eat for dinner. Their inability to make sound decisions places us all at risk.

15 minutes ago, Vasudev said:

You were able to get 9070XT at MRP? In India 9070 and XT are at 929 and 964$. I got 4070S last month at 800$ and its still higher by 100-200$ on WIndforce OC in March 2025. Asus, MSI are crossing over 1000$ for 4070S & 4070S Ti. Blackwell stocks are vaporware and even local distributors were unaware.

This is an extremely bad time for anyone needing to build a new system or replace any parts that have failed outside of warranty. I feel very blessed to not have any compelling need to do anything and with my surplus I don't have to manage anything except for my illogical passionate for computer parts. I think I am going to start trying harder to not care anymore. A better hobby might be growing personal wealth instead of squandering it on poorly engineered overpriced computer trash. I can feel the apathy starting to build. It's not to the level of contempt and apathy I hold for turdbooks, but I could probably get it to that level without a lot of effort.

NVIDIA and AMD need to start building everything in the US. Our industries are falling in line and going according to plan. Would LOVE to see that happen to the China manufacturer scum.

24 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

I think now is the time to show off this RTX 3080. Who would have thought that this 12 year old M18xR2 would stretch its wings so far. 

 

I may try RTX 4090 in the future but its pricey. 

 

CPU score will be low because it's an old 4-core. I didn't bother going over 4.5Ghz since the 3080 is a 115w TDP model so won't help it much. 

 

I think @Mr. Fox @Papusan would get a kick out of this. Perfect example of how MXM would have continued fine.

 

 

 

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3920XM Processor Extreme Edition,Alienware M18xR2

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3920XM Processor Extreme Edition,Alienware M18xR2

That brings back some good memories from a time when laptops were actually worth buying.

Nice job. Where did you get an MXM 3080 that fit the GPU heat sink? Any trouble cooling it?

You're doing the thing the industry decided cost them too much money in the long run and colluded to prevent. How dare you upgrade such an old laptop? You are stealing from the losers that want to sell you a new turdbook every couple of years.

27 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The air cooled stock 9070XT is still faster than the worlds fastest watercooled tapped out XOC’d 3090Ti. I think that’s pretty good. Shame these AIB’s and Retailers are a whole bunch of scammers/scalpers. And now the 9070XT price is just too high to make sense. 
 

$600 is good. But I think everyone as a whole needs to stop buying graphics cards. I cannot support this horrible market we’re in. 

I am still trying to buy one, but not for more than $600. The ASUS Prime 9070 XT OC is in stock at both Chicago area Microcenters for $599.99 and I have messaged a couple of friends in that area to see if they can grab one for me. If I cannot buy one for about $600 then I won't own one.

I totally agree. The only way this is going to get fixed is for PC components to be very seldom ever purchased for more than MSRP and products start rotting on store shelves and warehouse pallets and only being sold at a loss  as EOL products that fewer people want. This is worse with GPUs than anything else, but it happens with quite a few other things to a slightly less egregious degree.

3 hours ago, Meaker said:

Stock

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/127667606

 

100mv undervolt stock clocks

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/127668715

That is very similar to 3090 Ti in that benchmark.

Looks like the scam I thought I was seeing is actually what is happening. If this is not illegal it sure as heck should be. Companies that do this need to be bankrupted. They don't deserve to survive.

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I wonder how long it takes before Nvidia will answer AMD for mid end. Maybe they don't bother because they produce so few cards. But losing market shares will hurt their self respect.

 

With such small dies they use for mid end geforce graphics chips  I can't imagine they lose much silicon wafers they instead could use for AI chips.

 

AMD's new Radeon RX 9070 series GPUs are the top 9 out of 10 best-selling products on Amazon

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/103762/amds-new-radeon-rx-9070-series-gpus-are-the-top-9-out-of-10-best-selling-products-on-amazon/index.html

It's hard to say. It seems like having our respect does not matter to them. Maybe they care about self-respect. I think that the only thing they give a damn about is money. They obviously didn't care enough about anything  else seeing how they released 50 series video cards with manufacturing defects. It is so special when you get raped financially and get a broken piece of crap in return for that. Jensen would probably kill his own mama for a few bucks. 

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Gotta hope to snipe a $600 model during these early days but as I said, the AMD scalping will be nothing like Nvidia scalping simply due to supply and demand. Watch how fast prices fall on eBay over the next few weeks.

If they do not fall then 5070 Ti will be the better option. It's a better product by most measurements at the same price. The 9070 XT is only the better option when it is available for at least $100+ cheaper. In terms of performance it falls short of being equal and it cannot compete based on features.

5 minutes ago, Eban said:

 

Sexy girl with actual skills

Impressive

Yes she is beautiful and very talented.

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

It’s really a great platform! It has been crazy reliable. I wasn’t expecting to like it this much. But it’s a great platform. 

I really like it. Very awesome, unlike anything current. It was made during a time before gamers and overclockers started being viewed  (and treated) as though  all of us are trash-gobbling idiots that are too stupid to know when we are getting screwed over by the component manufacturers. I think we could bet our paychecks that it would be a half-assed piece of garbage if it was a newly released product.

Amazon and eBay are like the new gangster's paradise. It's not a new problem, but it is always sad and painful to see such idiotic prices, and even more painful to know there are imbeciles that actually pony up for absurd prices. Just look at this ridiculous poop-for-brains nonsense.

7 hours ago, johnksss said:

That would have been 646.49 out the door with no warranty and at MC regular store prices. I would have probably just traded on a favor. So less than 600.00 out the door with shipping I think. Not sure how much to ship to AZ.

 

@tps3443 You probably would have done better just running a 5070 ti. Maybe that is the 4090 Jensen was talking about on par and beating it because it sure does beat that 4090 hands down.

Thanks brother. There was no doubt in my mind that I could count on you for that. I knew you'd be happy to do it for me and I almost called you. At the time they had several models of 9070 XT in stock that interested me based on the higher power limit and boost clock that were priced around $600.

Rather than acting on impulse I just waited a bit and decided I didn't need to spend that money on a GPU downgrade, especially since I've never owned an AMD GPU that I actually liked much. Basically I had logic kick in and I got cold feet LoL. I went back a few hours later out of curiosity and everything good was sold out and the only thing left were the models that had less to offer at a higher price. But they hadn't jacked up the prices to take advantage of customers like their skanky competitors had already done. Their inventory was the only source that had not increased prices to grossly unrealistic values within a couple hours.

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

soooo, anyone excited and ready to get a 9950X3D next week?

Too early to know. Maybe, but not unless I see strong evidence that they overclock the core higher, not voltage-capped to protect the cache and have a stronger memory controller. The X3D part is of no value to me, but better silicon quality would be.

On 3/6/2025 at 2:59 PM, electrosoft said:

100% agreed.

 

Therein lies the problem for myself. I won't pay much (if anything) over the $600 point as it quickly loses value for me. I sure as heck won't pay >=$700. The exception was going to be the Taichi....

 

Just about as disastrous of a launch as it can get.....

 

$600 is a fantastic get.

 

$625-700 I'm losing interest.

 

>$700 I'm out.

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't affect me in the slightest in the short-term. I mean, I have two 4090s, a 3090 Ti FTW3 and sitting on a shelf I have a Strix 1080 and a tired old Titan. The real problem, for all of us, is the precedent that is being set will haunt us well into the future. What is in motion now is bad for the world today and the world tomorrow and everyone will ultimately end up suffering because of what is being tolerated today.

What makes me bummed out more at a human level are a couple of things.

1. Recent GPU launches have shown us how extraordinarily stupid a larger than expected segment of our respective gaming and overclocking hobbies are. It is deflating and demoralizing to see that such a huge deficit of common sense exists in what I once thought to be a society of the smartest people around. It has highlighted how incredibly messed up, evil and dishonest the companies are that we give our money to. What is happening today with the 9070 XT is straight out of what we would have called the "NVIDIA playbook" and a repeat of the idiocy we saw from the Green Goblin less than 90 days ago. We are surrounded and outnumbered by stupid people that are willing to spend any amount of money indiscriminately to posses whatever they want, even when doing so has no logical answer or rationale to support it.
2. I wasn't excited about RX 9070 XT as a product because it is inferior to the GPUs I already own and use daily. What I was optimistic about was the prospect that AMD was telling the truth about GPU stock available and already in-store waiting to purchase, with "plenty of 9070 XTs to go around" for everyone that wants one, and a price point that actually realistically resembles its performance level. I was pleased that the 9950X wasn't another regrettable "second chance" example of poor judgment on my part. (I have always wanted them to be successful, but they never did anything well enough in my eyes before.) Given the 9950X was acceptable to me, I was eager to give AMD another chance to show me that they actually can do things right. I fully expected it would be the first AMD GPU that I did not hate. But, the availability lies and unrealistic pricing is putting them in the same class of untrustworthy clowns that NVIDIA has earned its way into. As much as I want AMD to be rewarded for doing something right, there is no way I am going to pay $800 for a mediocre mid-range consumer GPU.

49 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

The problem is a good amount of reviewers have stated that the MSRP models are essentially a limited-time deal. Most of the cards will go between 750 and 950. I knew the 600 cards were going to disappear quickly but I didn't expect the cards 850 and up to go that fast. 

 

I 'may' go to Microcenter though, but I don't really want to drive an hour. We will see. 

The Microcenter in Tustin had 3 ASUS Prime 9070 XT OC for $599.99 this morning and I almost reached out to @johnksss to see if he would be able to grab one for me. I'd buy them all day long for $600. That's a fantastic deal, but it's approaching the edge. I decided to not ask him to when I paused to consider CA sales tax being higher than normal and shipping would have to be added, so that would take it from being a pretty decent purchase to being a poor value prospect.

I think the value of this GPU is lost above about $700. This was built with the intent of it being a reasonably-priced average gamer GPU. It is not a flagship product. It's not an enthusiast or high end product no matter how you look at it, and should not be priced as if it were. I was satisfied with the 3060 Ti just for gaming. It was good enough. That is the category this product falls into... good enough, reasonable price. Being good enough is entirely predicated on the price remaining below the $700 to $800 range including tax and shipping. Otherwise, it is not good enough and not worth buying.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

$599.99 it is a banger of a card.

Before they vaporized the prices changed, went from $599.99 to $800 within about 5 minutes of launch and then there were no more. I purchased an XFX Mercury OC on NewEgg for $719 direct from NewEgg and completed the checkout, got a confirmation email. About 5 minutes later an email arrived notifying me it was cancelled due to no stock. I went back to the product page and it said 8 in stock for about $825 and I tried to add that to my cart and it said no longer available, so the scalping is being facilitated at the retailer level.

The same thing basicaly happened on Amazon. Loaded my cart several times with several diferent models and when attempting to complete the checkout process they were "out of stock" but going back to the product page it was still there at a higher price. So, they can stuff it. It's a fair (not great) value for $600 or $700 for a better SKU, but beyond that the value becomes as poor as a 5070 Ti and the purchase is pointless.

All of these PC part scalpers need to be rounded up, shot in the head and their carcasses left for buzzards to eat.

31 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Welp, that didn't go as planned for me. I guess I am sitting this out as well.

They are all in the hands of scalpers and posted on eBay for double or more their retail value now. So, the only people that will own them are of the same caliber of idiocy as the NVIDIOT fanboys that are willing to get screwed. 

Microcenter has them, but that does most people no good since their market areas/reach are so limited.

So much for the lies about AMD having good 9070 XT stock available. Another paper launch. I purchased one on NewEgg, checked out and got a confirmation email. A few minutes later a cancellation notice due to insufficient stock. Checked out twice at Amazon and same thing. And, scamming already happening. Prices increased in the past hour. So, eff them all. They can keep their janky overpriced lackluster GPU trash and kiss my hind end.

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

For those who will be hunting a 9070xt, here is a very nice list of all the available models including all the 340w spec models courtesy of PC Builders.

 

Sorting the list, and it looks like we have  ~8 models with a max 340w TDP including the Asrock Taichi but it does use the 12v-2x6 connector.

 

Asrock has 1

XFX is has 4 (all their OC models)

Acer has 2

Gigabyte has 1

 

Yeston and Asus are unknown atm on that list.

 

Newegg and BB don't have their listings up yet.

It is very puzzling and disappointing that ASRock and Sapphire both built an AMD card with the fragile NVIDIA fire-starter 12VHPWR, aka 12V-2x6, aka POS-made-by-idiots-for-idiots, connector. Pretty hard to find any respect for either brand for having made such a deliberately stupid decision.

Unless there is something lurking in the shadows with higher power limits that we do not know about, looks to me like one of the XFX Mercury models with 340W TGP and 3100 boost are the only good (least gimped) purchase options.

https://www.amazon.com/shop/golfsgadget/list/M3B465V04BYO

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

Well, based on those side-by-side clips it seems like there isn't really anything special to write home about in terms of performance. Looks like a pretty lackluster product and very closely matched with the equally mediocre 5070 Ti that offers an unimpressive experience at a higher price. It is interesting see that the word "awesome" is being misdefined to mean that something qualifies as special on the basis that "it sucks less" than the alternatives. I am not seeing anything, anywhere, that fits the traditional definition that I plan to continue using. While it doesn't look like anything awesome, it does suck less than 5070 Ti on the basis of price.

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

NVIDIA's market value tanks again, with $200 billion wiped amid tariff fears

😂🤣 Great news. Let's hope they lose at least that much more before the weekend. Jensen needs to retire. He is worthless and needs to be replaced with someone that aggressively looks for ways to bring economic destruction and famine to China instead of sleeping with them.