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Nice! With all this backing data (and your 13900ks data), I can't wait to see your SP107 rock it out.

yup, so to get an idea where your voltages land to see how they scale naturally. If you want, you can even set adaptive UV or fixed as long as it is consistent across all +1 bin scaling upwards but pure stock just gives you an idea of scaling. I can see you with a chiller one day 🙂 Laptop overclocking is fun and finally taming that NH55 to not thermal throttle with a 12900k was exciting but nothing compares to the options and freedom of desktop overclocking where the only limitations are your pocketbook, convenience and risk aversion.

Let's say you leave everything stock then scale up bin by bin on the Ecores from 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6 etc... we're not looking for vmin or giving it a bit more juice and just want to isolate the e-cores. Pick something like CB23 (or CB15, RealBench, etc...) At what point at stock do they give up the ghost? At what point at stock do they start to pull more reported voltage? If so, how much? When I was testing my vcore scaling independently (which I do for P-cores, Ring, E-cores), I found my E-cores didn't pull a little more till 4.5 and 4.6 was where it was a tangible difference and 4.7 where they finally started to need a little more juice. Your E-cores report the same as mine basically but your E-SP rating is more inline with ~1.275ish so something is amiss @tps3443 Do you have a screenshot of the BIOS readouts for that SP117 you delidded for a board member?

1. Yep already mentioned it's a solid chip. 🙂 2. Of course you can as I've tested my E-cores at 4.4 with no change. 4.6 is when they start to need more doing some basic CB23 testing. 3. I haven't seen any concrete data showing a lower MC score on a 14900k translates to a higher MC score on 13900k or 13900ks in any meaningful way. And even with MC scores, as we know, testing is the best approach. With that being said, with my MC score of 92, I wasn't surprised I was posting at 8800 on the Strix without changing anything on the CPU side knowing the MC score before I started and watching the memory or MB give up the ghost (I was asking an awful lot of the Strix z790i which is only rated up to 7600+ or MSI Z790i Edge rated up to 8000+) and watching singular slots fail at different points. Don't worry bro. 🙂 Your chip is solid and worth every cent you paid! Looking forward to your results. What's the ETA for its arrival?

Oh the SP106 is definitely a good chip but the E-core and MC score difference between your SP107 and it is pretty substantial for 1 ranking point. If the MC rating and E-cores had been better I would have contemplated picking it up but I know when I put my SP115 on my boy's system the MC was 92 along with a much superior e-core score of 1.264 so it was a hard pass. Ditto. For ~$1050 I would need better e cores and a better MC. Our 13900KS chips are very similar. My E-cores are SP97 but still 1.264 like yours at SP95 which in Asus speak means a rounding differential (IE 1.26350 vs 1.26449).

Cens has a few more binned 14900k's for sale but this time around the E-cores vid is not great. 1.304 on the SP102 and 1.314 on the SP106. SP106 also has an MC rating of 79 so I would definitely ask where that topped out for him. Even back on 12900k, I found a good E-core vid could really enhance an overall chip for cooler running at stock or OC'ed I would want a sub 1.3v E-core just for a bit of icing on the cake if possible on a good sample. @tps3443 your SP107 is miles ahead of that SP106 on MC rating and E-core VID.

No thank you. I'm glad AMD is in the mix and at least keeping Intel a bit more honest than Nvidia, but my 2-3 month adventure with their GPUs has come to an end. This extends to laptops too. I'm not saying I hugged and kissed my 4090, but playing WoW today versus the 7900XTX this last week and not having all the problems and issues......I was REAL close to it! 🤣

Wow, price creep the 4090 upward, offer a cut down variant of the 4090 for effectively the same price of the 4090 at launch. Maybe we'll see the 4090 Dragon over here for $1599 then Nvidia can hog all the AD102 4090 normal and full fat dies for AI cards.....we're so lucky. 🤣

Yeah, I'll take a looksy again 4-6 months from now and see if anything has improved with their GPUs. Nice! Definitely looking forward to cooling and extra boost or even manual tuning results. I did chuckle imagining you sitting in the back seat like a big kid with JBJr rocking back and forth delidding your 7950x. 🤣

With the 4090 being such a great card and outclassing everything, you either step up for your overpriced spanking or suffer. In theory, getting a 7900xtx, selling my 4090 and pocketing the substantial difference looks great on paper.....but Nvidia just has it down to a science both hardware and software right now for my needs. Sold the 6700XT on Fleabay and returning the 7900XTX tomorrow. I'm officially done with AMD GPUs this time around. Gave the 7900XTX a chance twice in January and now. Two different models. Things actually got worse in 10 months! Nvidia isn't innocent and did this before too for WoW players. They had bad drivers that broke when they updated their drivers for Cyberpunk 2077 during Ampere and textures flickered for a solid 9 months before they finally fixed it. AMD drivers broke around March and it has been downhill since. Still no proper frame cap. Numerous issues in WoW (RT stutters, DX12 doesn't work, black screens, lock ups, freezes) Absolutely gets crushed in FO76 compared to the 4090 in 4k. Testing on 7800X3D or 13900KS made no difference with the issues. I don't know what happened. The 5700XT was an absolute joy to use in WoW. and other games.... I will say the 7900XTX and even 6700XT held their own in Starfield though. And of course my 7800X3D dying....lol....the hits keep on coming. 🤣 I ordered an Asrock B650M open box for $86 that arrived yesterday so I'll be able to test the CPU and memory independently of the MSI board just in case before sending it in for a replacement. I was going to build out an mATX system anyhow with some spare parts I have so it will end up there when all is said and done.

Based upon what we've read, the 4080 Super is going to be a touch faster (~5%) than a normal 4080 using the full fat AD103 die versus a cut down AD102 and still packing 16GB of VRAM. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182 I wouldn't be surprised if in the spring we get a 4080TI if Nvidia can allocate enough defective AD102 dies to make it happen with 20GB.

Prices will continue to trend up on 4090s especially with China breaking them down into AI units and AD102 full fat full steam ahead in Nvidia 6000 units. I've thought about selling mine but the 7900xtx debacle really only leaves a 4080 or 3090/3090ti as a viable option for my gaming needs and the 4090 blows all of them out of the water and then some unless I switch back to my 4k 60hz freesync BenQ (which still has the nicest picture of them all) but even then WoW would dip below 60fps from time to time on my KPE 3090ti at 4k Ultra while my 4090 stays at 100fps even in the roughest places.

I know for myself personally let's say I pick up a retail chip and for the sake of argument it is a god tier CPU that someone wants to pay 3x+ retail for I'm selling it and just go pick up a slightly less awesome chip and pocket the difference or even try another retail sample. There's clearly a market for binned chips especially with 14th gen producing so many stinkers. People keep commenting and laughing on the for sale threads yet they're selling relatively quick especially SP104+ I wouldn't pay much, if anything, over retail for an SP100 or below chip but it is nice to pay effectively retail and avoid the gutter chips (SP95 and below) if able as someone continues to hunt for a top tier chip. You can reap the benefits of a mid tier chip and avoid the lottery. If you're not playing the cards as dealt and will just delid and DD whatever you unbox, then I see merit in skipping the lottery and just paying a bit more for a binned chip so you can pair a killer chip with a killer setup and really push it knowing the V/F and MC are sound. Nothing worse than mounting a chip and it's a POS. Then comes the angst of having to box it up and return it hoping everything goes smoothly knowing on a deep level it's kinda a jerk thing to do or accepting a financial loss on a resell because you crapped out. Let's say you bin 4 chips, they are terrible and you resell with a ~$100 loss on each (sometimes more when everything is said and done) along with having to try to lock down FnF or then deal with tax implications, zeroing them out as a loss repeatedly which also puts a potential audit spotlight on you. Might be easier to just pay $1k for a chip outright or a bit more and avoid all that BS. I remember 10900k's not being great overall and that was because we were EOL for that node and it had been pushed as far as possible. 14th gen is in the same boat but taking on even more water so you're going to land more duds than not. On the other hand, if you're running stock like a normal user even an SP93 can be tuned to run ok on a competent AIO with a contact frame and good thermal compound and spread. Oh, and I still get messaged from buyers wanting my 13900ks because it is one of the higher binned SPs and it hasn't been delidded. That just lets me know some LN2 record chasers are still seeking them out to smash records (or try).

In his defense, if you have a full on PayPay Business account, you can't accept F&F and I understand not wanting normal PP but trust both ways needs to be established somehow. Bank transfer ain't it. If I know you, I have no problems F&F and vice versa. I've received F&F up to $2k before with no problems and sent well over $2k before as long as I know you. He stated the IMC has problems on LN2? There's a good chance that will translate into normal/chiller usage too. I guess he has a fear someone will buy it, the IMC is trash and want to file a dispute. He needs to put any IMC issues in his listing. There are plenty who would still buy it for normal use. Has he tested it to see how far it will go DDR5 frequency wise? I don't understand why he can't or hasn't posted an ownership pic with his name and date on it. I posted a request for a verification pic on his listing. It looks to be a great chip, but no way I'm dropping that much over retail for ANY CPU of ANY nature unless it is God Bin. lol, didn't you already pay a pretty penny for CENS chip? You're full on addicted bro! 🤣

Congrats bro! That is a VERY solid chip I would consider golden for 14th gen. With your setup, it's all about the 6.0 and to a lesser degree 5.8. Always a very small chance, even with a superior vid it will stall but I'm sure it is going to sing. Has this one been tested for its MC strength both in BIOS and manually? Smart move testing it with the Alphacool in case the IMC is a dud. No SA bug issues? Those R batches on average are just on another level. If there was ever an argument for a 14900KS (which I still don't think is coming) it would be those chips. Did you end up keeping your Encore or sending it back?

For somebody like me who runs a standard AIO, I'm focusing primarily on the 5.8 and 5.6 V/F curve and a cool running chip. I prefer a sub 1.2 5.1ghz curve and sub 1.275 5.4 curve and definitely a sub 1.4 5.8. That lets my AIO shine in my sweet zone of 5.6/5.7 before temps start to climb past 80 running CB23. But for you? You're going to delid, DD and chill it and push for 6ghz all core so I would kind of look at 5.8 V/F but really focus on the 6ghz V/F point. I would think at a minimum sub 1.435v at 6ghz and the lower the better. At 6ghz. anything under 1.435 is already good and brimming on golden. Anything below 1.415 is definitely golden. Sub 1.4(~1.398) is god tier. This all goes out the window if your IMC sucks and/or you get hit with the SA bug and memory stalls at 7800-8200. 😞 That's my personal criteria though so YMMV.

I was running 7D70v1B1(Beta version) but I see they have 7D70v1B now but didn't install it. SOC always at 1.25. I installed it 18-10-2023. Just earlier before it died it would freeze and stutter sporadically to the point where I had given it a clean install on the 19th and then earlier on the day it died they become more pronounced. Funny thing is I wasn't even running it overclocked like I did with my 5800x and I actually kept SOC below the post explosion max spec of 1.3. There was no point in a static OC. I just did a -30 CO and +25mhz. I didn't even get a chance to play around with the bigger frequency boost range. Luckily I had my backup 13900ks test platform running so I could get my data off the SSD. I guess the one good thing is I now get to drive the 13900ks as my main rig now with the 4090 to compare and contrast for a bit while I sort out my AMD fail. I was driving that AMD rig for ~ 7 months relatively problem free then WHAMO. Happy Thanksgiving!

So my 7800X3D died last night....(I'm assuming, but could be the MB) I was playing WoW and the system started to stutter and shut down. This was with the 7900XTX installed as I was doing some more testing in WoW. In hind sight, there were weird pauses and stutters during the day even on the desktop. I had set the system to high performance to peg the clocks on the GPU and CPU, went to play and part way through a raid came the stutter and immediate shut down. Upon reboot, the yellow dram light lit up and nothing. Tried again and then the CPU red light and dram light came on which is all it does now along with an A6 or Ab code. I tried booting again, nothing. CMOS reset, nothing Yanked the 7900XTX and went integrated, nothing. Tested each stick, nothing. Tried another set of sticks, nothing. Tested each slot individually with two different sets of sticks, nothing. Hitting CMOS reset along the way for every test All I get is A6 (or Ab?) and the yellow DRAM and red CPU lights. Finally, I pulled the CPU to reseat it and you can't make it quite clearly in the picture, but there is a small cluster of ever so slightly discolored contact pins in the upper, left quadrant. Oh, and when I reseated the CPU, nothing. I checked the pins on the MB and they're as straight and perfect as they were day 1. So I spent 3-4 hours breaking down my test rig, my main rig and installed the tiny little ITX motherboard in my main rig along with the LF2 420 (forgot how quiet it is compared to the EVGA even with Artic P12s). I'm gonna slap in my 4090 in a bit then I can finish out my phase 4 testing. Yet again, I just can't love the 7900xtx and it will be going back to Amazon next week great price or not. The way the 4090 absolutely crushes it in FO76 and WoW and all the WoW issues along with the earlier issues mentioned before make the 7900xtx a non starter (again) for me. 😞 I probably will order a cheap A620M board (~$70) just to test the components on their own just in case plus I like having a backup motherboard for testing. I have 4 Intel Socket 1700 boards under my roof but only 1 AM5. I'll wait till Friday to see what good deals pop up.

Seeing as the 4080 Super is barely much of a bump over the 4080 with it's "full fat" AD103, there's PLENTY of room between even it and the 4090 to shovel in a even more cut down (aka partial rejects from the 4090/6000) AD102 towards the end of the 4000 series life cycle. Right now, it's a race to see if AD102 full fat AI demand will basically cancel out a 4090ti next year and when Blackwell will launch either Q4 2024 or Q1/2 2025. The ultimate insult would be Nvidia offering a 4090 Super/TI dab smack in the middle of the 6000/4090 core counts for $2k, but I put nothing past Nvidia and $$$$. 🙂 Sweet! This will be a fun project to see unfold and how much it helps. Looking forward to the results bro!

Collecting data for Fallout 76 as I managed to finally swap the 7900xtx into my main rig and give it a clean install. 7800X3D beat my 12900k pretty handily with tuned 4133 DDR4, but the 13900KS w/ XMP 8000 DDR5 (not even tuned yet) takes back the crown: All settings everything 4k on Ultra, everything to max. Fallout 76 7800X3D vs 13900KS w/ MSI 7900XTX Then my 4090 comes along on the same 7800X3D rig (clean installs for both) and just decimates my 7900XTX in Fallout 76 Fallout 76 7900XTX vs 4090 Right now, for Fallout 76, it is looking like the 13900KS + 4090 is going to be king but I still need to swap my 4090 into my 13900KS rig for final testing. Still compiling WOW numbers but the 7000 series from AMD has all types of problems with WoW including DX12 crashing left and right and lock ups and stuttering even with RT off this is if you manage to get it to load at all as most times you're left staring at a blank screen that eventually freezes. You have to play with DX11 enabled and even then you still have all types of problems and DX11 takes away a lot of the enhanced eye candy, doesn't support RT (not that it should be enabled in AMD cards at high settings and resolution) and has even poorer fps. Somehow issues with WoW have managed to get worse since January 2023 for the 7900XTX. 😞 There are multiple threads in the WoW Blizzard technical support forums, but this one sums up the issues the best: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/video-driver-crash-in-world-of-warcraft-with-amd-video-cards-7900-xtx-on-directx-12/475734 7900XTX for FO76 and WoW at least is looking like a probable steaming pile of fail compared to the 4090.

At this rate you're going to have to create a display shelf to show off all your GPUs! 🙂 I like the look of that card though especially the MSI Dragon.

Jufus absolutely dumping all over Jay, AMD and the switching.... I agree with him and memory working pretty straight forward but I always dial it in myself when everything is said and done. He said the same thing about it being a potential motherboard issue. On the other hand, Jay doesn't strike me as the type who enjoys dialing in memory settings and voltages....

Nice! With a classic AIB big boy cooler on it you're opening it up. I want Intel to succeed very badly in the GPU space for many reasons. Their driver maturation process has been pretty remarkable and you know that will carry into Battlemage.

Sounds about right. 3090 FE with those backside memory modules and no adequate cooling could be a nightmare that was quickly flushed out with all the 3090 FEs pressed into mining service. Most miners repadded, repadded and add heatsinks, or repadded, added heatsinks and put a fan right on the backside to keep them in check. When the 3090ti FE dropped, all the modules were higher density/capacity and now front side only which has carried over to the 4000 series. I had a 3090 FE if anyone remembers which I jettisoned because of the worst coil whine I've ever heard before and even now. It actually made me nauseous it was so bad and I could hear it through headphones even turned up it was that piercing. One thing I noticed were memory temps were kind of juicy when overclocking. I didn't have that problem at all with my KPE 3090. Out of all the 4090s, FE is still #3 on my list behind Suprim and Asus but a worthy card. Aesthetically, it is gorgeous but no matter what card you get, you're gonna end up blocking it.

Nice progression of a 14900k at stock on Apex Encore Stock on ILM - Baseline Contact Frame - Basically no change Delid - ~8-9 degree drop Lapping - ~2-3 degree drop / 15w drop