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Good news, last small update for WoW seems to have fixed the issues pretty quick with the 7900xtx. I've been running some tests comparing my 14900KS 5.6 fixed profile vs 5.9 auto profile. I took my foot off the brake (undervolting) a touch and now even Wukong runs fine on the 5.9 auto profile so all is well. --- I did some more testing in WoW with the 7900xtx and the 14900KS thinking 5.6 and 5.9 will basically be the same but I'm seeing ~183fps with 5.6 and 202fps with 5.9 everything else the same for some fixed vantage testing (Ultra 10, 4k RT OFF). I know WoW is one of the most CPU dependent/responsive games out there, but I wasn't expecting this big of a gap so I'll need to figure and lock down a good flight run to really collect some more data. I can swap CPU bios profiles back and forth and repeat this consistently. I even took my 5.9 profile and just adjust the multipliers back only to 5.6 auto only keeping everything else the same and still saw that drop in fps. This fixed vantage spot in Hallowfall (one of the new zones) is at 8200 CL34 tightened up and the profiles are the same except for 5.6 fixed all core and 5.9 auto. 5.9 does draw about ~30w more than 5.6 but that's to be expected. I haven't even tested with APO yet which supports WoW. Whoa, that is very good on TG's part! Is this the same block De8auer has been posting about on the OCN forums and getting it updated and working properly and basically laying the groundwork for Socket 1851 ?

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Game changer. This 32" Alienware OLED 4k display is just so beautiful especially with HDR enabled. I couldn't go back if I wanted at this point. My wife's Samsung 1440p IPS display looks so dull now. I asked her if she wanted an OLED... "I'm fine. I don't care about that stuff." 🤣 I have a ~5yr old 65" Sony FALD ZF9 and I do love it, but my next display might have to be a 70" OLED.

Looks good! 🙂 For core boosting on my pure auto profile, that looks just about right. My 6.2 boost in CB23 is ~1.392 max load so 1.405 and 1.387-1.396v range is spot on. Temps aren't the problem here. Scores are 2377-2392 so right in line. Asrock reports 6.2 V/F at 1.484 for my SP109. I keep it at 253w/400a limits so it power throttles and scores about 39k-40k multi but your setup will probably do much better since I think our 5.9 V/Fs are the same (1.378v). If I let it fly unhindered power wise in CB23, my AIO gives up the ghost. 🙂 This 5.9 all core auto profile pretty much covers every game including all UE5 shader games except Wukong. That thing is a monster for my setup.

Bragging rights aka a race to the bottom for single core. I can't remember the last time I ran any Intel chip at stock/auto defaults D2D. We're talking all the way back to the Celeron 300a I OC'd to 450mhz+ in the late 90s. The problem was really two fold though. Aggressive/errant MC that allowed core requests of >1.55v and pushing the chips to the ultimate edge. First "fix" was enforcing Intel limits but that did jack squat for single core VID requests because they were always under 253w/207a but were found sometimes requesting 1.7v+ (!). That's a one way ticket to preferred core degradation. Current "fix" is to enforce a soft cap of 1..55v. I say soft because motherboards can override it purposely or as we've seen accidentally. Best fix is as used by many of us before all this is to set a sane all core w/ fixed vcore that is in line with your cooling and power draw expectations and dial in your LLC/AC_LL/DC_LL and might as well tune up your VDD/SA's while you're in there for good measure. No need to use more than you need unless you also run a dialed in auto setting too (I run both). 10th gen can be configured for per core if you want on many boards. I tuned up a few 10900k's to do per core for benching but for D2D it was always all core for simplicity and to stop odd transients on oddly offset core frequency settings and crashes. Some hardcore users want optimal, tuned, stable settings at all steppings and will take the time to validate each and every core's capability and then adjust per core as tight as possible. That's not fun for me. 🙂 And yeah, that's exactly why to boost performance on single/lightly threaded programs and it does show you what it can do potentially on better cooling. Decent silicon, DD/CL and toss in a chiller? Some of these chips are daily'd at 6ghz+ all core.

Intel has been trying to innovate their way out of the x86 CISC albatross for years and branch into different RISC CPU architectures, but the blessing and the curse of x86 has been its longevity and legacy. While Intel has tried (and failed) to break free into more modern architectures for decades, other companies have taken ARM to the next level and have now caught (and in some cases surpassed) Intel while consuming a fraction of the power. AMD is somewhere in the middle. Still using x86 but having long abandoned their fabs and going with TSMC, they get a bit of their cake and can eat it too but I agree they are not safe either. Apple is brimming on a perfect 3 for 3 now abandoning a stagnant architecture (x68, PPC, Intel) to keep innovating and pressing forward. I've lived through all three transitions with Mac hardware. I still never thought I'd see the day Apple had their own, in house processors yet here we are..... I agree Intel is going to have to change to survive. This. Intel can still innovate and we've seen what they can do but their fabs are now a burden and holding them back. Either they figure out a way to get on TSMC's level sooner or later, or they just sell off their fabs and get in line with just about everybody else. I'm not adverse to the government subsidizing Intel on the same level to keep us competitive and not be so beholden to another country. It also keeps another player on the field to keep pricing honest. The spectre of China also continues to loom large over Taiwan and TSMC too hence trying to set up fabs here and potentially elsewhere.

Ugh, I'm not a huge fan of Gigabyte lol. The coil whine on their models is well known. It would have to be a major chunk of cash. You would probably be better served selling yours and buying mine for retail pricing and guaranteeing a monster bin bro. 🤣 I must admit, I've never run W10 on my 7000 series AMD platforms. I might have to give it a clean install or dual boot just to see. -------------------------------- Last, but not least, WoW and the new Xpac are crashing again like crazy on AMD GPUs..... I went back to my other system to collect some data and run some new tests on the Xpac and it was crashing and locking up like it was 3 months ago with the 7900XTX. New Xpac? No problem, update drivers. Nope, all those nifty crashing issues are back with a vengeance. I was so busy playing on my main rig that just works that I hadn't used my other rig since Xpac launch.....ugh.

You might be right @tps3443! I normally don't run OC'd, but I wanted to collect some data for my ongoing comparisons between the 7950X3D/14900KS/7900XTX (ugh long story)/4090. This was me out in Hallowfall today on a stock OC, stock vBIOS , stock cooling ..... 🤣 Looked up and noticed it was hitting 3135mhz! Still stock thermal paste from purchase too back in Jan 2023 no less!

Maybe EU trends? In the US, models are still selling new and used prices are still good. So many scammers out there it is hard to tell these days since 4090s still retail for a crapton relatively speaking especially better 3rd party models. Missing cores and memory or sometimes flat out fake PCBs, scary. Looking at eBay for my model, they still sell relatively high. There is one person on there with low feedback who has sold two and has a third up that is screaming scam as they have no other sales in the last 6 months. eBay protection will help out the buyers if it is, but listings like that tend to go for lower than normal because buyers do not want the hassle. Probably if you check back in a month or two they will have been removed. The Suprim X 4090 has the best PCB right under the HOF and even then silicon lottery comes into play as I've seen plenty pick up HOF and Suprim X and get absolute trash silicon and/or memory. I mentioned it before, but one of the two Suprim X's I had was terrible and I returned it. (~2900 max OC, +700 memory) vs my current one (+3120 OC, +1600 memory) both on stock vBIOS. But I also think even *bad* silicon is still a killer card at stock. I just happened to have bought my current one from Newegg and then Best Buy had them in stock so I picked one up to see if I could potentially get a better bin and it was total trash from that perspective and monster coil whine. I couldn't wait to hop in my car and return that thing. If EU pricing is truly that bad (make sure to check local used markets and other used selling sites to get an idea), I could see holding onto it till the 6090. It is a monster of a card. I'm still on the fence about selling now or just waiting till the 5090 and selling then. I don't like to be without a good GPU especially with WoW Xpac here and it just flat out plays better on Nvidia. I mean, if someone comes along and slaps down $1900 for it, I'd have to consider it but it is not only a fantastic specimen it has low to no coil whine to the point I run my case fully open now and use speakers instead of headphones. You could always list it for what you want for it and see if it moves. If it doesn't, no harm; no foul. Oh absolutely. I didn't mean to imply this is a win for Intel, but sometimes fighting an uphill battle on ice is a futile endeavor. Instead of forcing a subpar node down our throats, they just contract out to TSMC for a better process. If everything goes well, I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to use TSMC more and more in the future while they continue to get their act together. Everyone else is using TSMC and it shows in their advancements. Nvidia did Samsung with Ampere and came scurrying back rather quickly to TSMC.

Best Buy open box Gigabyte 4090 w/ GPU factory seal intact on card missing GPU core.... Same best buy who sold me a Nikon digital camera years ago with no camera in the box Sold me a brand new factory sealed 7950X3D which just had a 7950X in the box At this point, outside of factory sealed / new (and even then....), I would only buy from someone I know and trust or have all protection mechanisms in place, sheesh.

I don't blame ya, but it looks like the 5090 might not hit till early next year. I know I have two people who saw some of my screen shots gaming on stock vBIOS hitting 3120 on stock cooling reach out and ask to let them know when I sell mine to keep them in mind as they would like to buy it so OC's do count for many. I did contemplate selling mine for how much I paid for it and riding my 7900xtx to the 5090. I'd have to turn off RT in WoW though. 😞 *Shrug* As long as memory hit +1000 and clocks were 2900, I'd be ok with it but the extra goodness never hurts.

Good! TSMC is the market leader in node fabs. Let Intel continue to progress and refine their 18A and use TSMC in the here and now over their own, internal 20A. --- As for Jufes, his quote, "When the 9800X3D comes out, I'm pretty sure it's going to destroy everything" Now imagine the 9950X3D with that sweet, sweet binned X3D CCD..... Yeah.....

Yep, he's really impressed with the 9000 architecture. 9950x is really holding its own against both a 7800X3D and 6ghz all core 14900KS. Max OC shootout.... Really looking forward to 9950X3D vs 15th gen....

History with Nvidia repeating itself.... 5080 will be on par or marginally faster than the 4090 (reports show ~10% atm) 5090 will be substantially faster than the 4090 and be a halo product (Same as 4090 vs 3090ti, but potentially even larger). Expect $1799 if not more at launch base price *If* we get a Titan class card, it will be a full fat die 5090 (Has happened before with Nvidia) Don't be surprised depending on market conditions if 12-18 months later we get a 5090ti which will be the full fat die. I wouldn't bank on it with the AI craze and AMD bringing absolutely nothing to market that can even touch the 5080 let alone the 5090. Seeing what they are offering, it might not even touch the 5070ti.

I called it the, "great waste purge." I sat down and went through everything and decided to cancel just about everything and then the wife and I would wait to see what we actually missed and add things back in. Streamlining our Internet/streaming saved $200/mo all on its own. The savings were over $500/mo when all was said and done and we don't miss anything. Very smart to cut costs especially with an incoming mortgage bro. 👊

Sounds about right considering you are on an open bench so that card gets all that fresh air. 🙂

Something is seriously wrong if it is running at +80C. Depending on game/benchmark/settings, I usually see anywhere from 53c to 61c on average on my Suprim Liquid X 4090 and it could probably use a repaste as I am still using the stock factory paste.

I've been testing the preview update for 24H2 and I'm not seeing much of a difference on my AMD platform but I am seeing marginal gains on my Intel platform. I've also been testing a lot of the Xpac on both setups and swapped GPUs back and forth and I'm finding Intel is really offering a much more seamless and smooth experience in the caverns of The War Within (TWW). I plan on running some other tests soon as I continue to collect more data and try different configs. We have to wait for raids to open up to get some better metrics. Still looking forward to your results on the 905p @tps3443!

I stopped taking "professional" reviews as gospel decades ago when they absolutely trashed the original Highlander movie. I realized you need to read as many reviews as possible. You also need to find reviewers that align with your likes/dislikes to get a better idea of if you will like that product. Even then, you may still end up disagreeing. Everything is individualized. Everything is subjective.

Looks like Intel gets some uplift in spots, but overall this is shaping up to be a monster win for AMD gaming. Those are some insane uplifts in pockets and an overall 10% on average uplift with no regression in performance elsewhere. BS about 9000 vs 7000 aside (shame AMD), this is shaping up to be a rather juicy update and looking forward to the overall Intel v AMD gaming suite comparisons.

Agreed, if this can help with TS, I am real curious to see how this would help out the chunk/fps drop in WoW in similar situations. Where does asset loading stutter via SSD end and asset loading stutter via texture loading in memory begin? I saw a few 800GB models for right around 1k but if it really helps smooth out game play I'd contemplate making it my game drop for select games that benefit from it especially WoW and raiding.

Segmenting them into two classes of loading asset stutter (SSD stutter, texture loading/shifting stutter), they are a similar problem but I see where you're coming from. But it does make me even more curious about using a P5800X would eliminate the problem and if so then using one in other games to see if the SSD is partially the culprit. The problem I can think of is even with a P5800X, if you're running very high refresh gaming (let's say 60fps or greater), even a P5800X won't be able to compensate. You would have to find the sweet spot to lock your fps to fluidly and seamlessly traverse from one location to the next. Faster the random I/O,/ms the higher the fps you can lock. This is still the basics and dream of M$ DirectStorage but you need a competent SSD/technology to implement it properly. @tps3443 you need to order one and see where the sweet spot falls. You could also inversely continue to lock your fps lower and lower till you find the sweet spot with your current SSD and the problem goes away. Next NEXT NEXT generation then hmmm? 🤣 Those are fantastic results AND you gained a bin on your 4090 as a result even at better temps! Where did you source your PTM7950? A lot of counterfeit sources on the market at the moment unfortunately.

When I was younger, I had so much free time and zero other cares in the world. I could program and game 16hrs/day no problem and get by on 4hrs of sleep easy. Now? Wife, children, bills, expenses, work, health and getting older. Your interests also expand to other things. I have to dedicate much more of my brain pan to other subjects. World of Warcraft new Xpac "officially" just dropped today. I picked up the epic edition early last week, so I've been playing for the last 3-4 days early access. It has all my focus atm. Even Fallout 76 is on the shelf for now 🙂

I can absolutely guarantee you would not like an X3D chip as you're really not into gaming hardcore and want a CPU to baseline perform at its best unhindered or asymmetrical in operations (IE Intel 12th+, AMD X3D or even to an extent dual CCD design). If I wasn't into gaming, I would have also just picked up a 7950X, 9950X or 1X900K Intel chip and called it a wrap. His argument was around gaming, the reasons the 7800X3D was only a good choice for gaming in the face of AMD's other offerings and also reiterating how his tuned 9950X (which he is returning) is close to the 7800X3D and if given a choice, he would select the 9950X over the 7800X3D. My counter is you wait for the 9950X3D and get the best of both worlds in that scenario like I do now. In the same vein, I guess the same argument could be made about Intel too in regards to how close it can get when properly tuned. After tuning up that 13900KS vs the 7950X3D, I was absolutely fine with either platform for gaming. They were really close at the time. X3D still had a few bumps in the road then and my 13900KS was tested at 5.6 all core I think and no APO. This next round of testing is 14900KS at 5.9 all core and APO vs. binned CCD of the 7950X3D in WoW. I suspect Intel is actually going to win, but we will see. There are many architectural uplifts in AMDs new design but they just don't reflect as much now in gaming. As always, maturity/driver updates/agesa updates (the bane of AMD ownership) will only continue to improve and enhance their CPU performance. Unless Intel brings the high heat (which they might), it will either be the 9950X3D or I will end up skipping both till next gen. What has been documented are their superior random I/O and noted gains in just about every D2D scenario even if small so the worst case scenario is an improved overall user experience. Best case is maybe a dent in some of that chunk but that's asking a lot when they can't even touch DDR4 speeds let along GDDR6X. I think the end game goal of Microsoft's Direct Storage is along those lines to improve not only load times but asset transfers both static and dynamic but SSDs need to get it together. 🙂

I'm watching this now (I'm really behind on my YT videos with work, life and WoW Xpac lol). He's crapping all over the 7800X3D, but the "cake and eat it too" answer is the 7950X3D. I'm surprised he likes the 9950X so much. Bodes well for the 9950X3D. I like that it is more responsive to BIOS spelunking but outside of Jufus's standard, "I found out all these tweaks, but I won't say what they are but come to my discord and pay for it," BS. Here is te he "magic" I expect to see: Basically, he's going to turn off the weaker CCD eliminating any and all cross CCD latency/issues along with scheduler issues (since the CPU is new, we get to do the whole 7950/7900 song and dance again) and run the tuned binned CCD and tuned memory and declare he's created some super magic....the end. Welcome to the 7950x/7950x3D circa one year ago Jufes. He's apparently new to AMD's dual CCD binning strategy which is kinda, sorta an Intel approach (P cores are greased lightning, E cores not so much but for multithreaded that is the magic). You get one CCD that is binned magic then a so so CCD. This has been around since the 5950x. The weaker core was a deal breaker for him. He wanted two binned/magical CCDs. I mean I don't blame him on that one. For $650, I would expect both my CCDs to be equally binned 🙂 In the end, he opts to return it he's so butt hurt over that one weaker CCD. He then says if you have a choice between the 9950x and the 7800x3d and you're an enthusiast, you pick the 9950x. No, you wait and pick the 9950x3d. Overall, he loves the new architecture but that second CCD is the deal breaker. I'm very much looking forward to the 9950X3D.....then again I'm also looking forward to 15th gen too. 🙂 "I'm not revealing how to tune the 9950x except to my GOD (discord tier) supporters" ....GTFOH with that BS. Latency of even Optane is nowhere near on the level of DDR5 or VRAM but go ahead and give it a try.......it can only help. If the pricing was a bit better, I'd give one a spin for testing. 🙂