electrosoft

31 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

phew im all about platform longevity, so going AM4 or socket 1700 wouldnt be an option in my book... especially if u want to build it out over time and keep upgrading.

I'll double down on this.

AM5 or wait for Intel's Socket 1851.

Socket 1700 is dead and AM4 is double dead (even if AMD keeps releasing silicon for it).

26 minutes ago, Reciever said:

If you are building out over time, then just buy it a piece at a time and maximize your dollar

Agreed. I think I recommended this to @ryan several months back to slowly build the system starting with the bones and work your way up depending on prices and what's on sale.

This is exactly what I do when I start to map out systems to build. I slowly start to accumulate parts over several months depending on prices as I love used/clearance items and go from there.

You can literally slap together a very competent AM5 system with 32 to 64gb of ram and a 1tb SSD for killer prices right now and build off of that.

CPU and GPU will almost always be the most expensive components.

Here's a run on my returned Asus G18 w/ full power 4080 to give you a good idea where it stand graphically. You're spot on with the ~3080 desktop performance metric. This is stock no OC on anything:

One of our local best buys has the G18 18" 13980hx/4080 on close out for $1584.00 which is a killer price especially toss in 5% back and it has the same (if not greater CPU performance depending on silicon) performance basically as the 14th gen version.

4090 variant of the same laptop gets you ~21.4k so 3090+ power in a laptop so a ~16% uplift along with a jump in VRAM.

Crazy to think just 2-3 years ago about a laptop with the former king desktop GPU power.

1 hour ago, ryan said:

I was thinking of getting a better system via memoryexpress.com and building all the parts from the ground up but its quite a bit more money via memexpress. the prebuilt is 1700 for something similar is around 2500. cpu should I go all out with a i9 14th gen and a 3070 or 3060 ti?

 

actually at memoryexpress for the same power its cheaper buying a turdbook. 3400 for a 4070 setup and 3200 for a 4080 laptop

Ya know, there's nothing wrong with preferring laptops. I know plenty of us go on and on about the "ultimate power" of a desktop but if laptops are your forte and you can budget it, go wild and get a monster laptop. Sell the bulk of your laptops you have now for funding. Keep the best one for portability and go get a monster laptop.

I love desktops but I equally love laptops too. I always end up having 2-5 on hand at all times even when I eventually downsize they build themselves right back up again lol.

If you can find a clearance/close out last gen 13th gen / 4090 laptop for a good price that will net you ~3090ti level performance. Even a 7950hx / 4090 is no slouch either.

Don't ever waste your $$$ on a 4070 laptop. for Ada, it is 4080 and 4090 or seek out a last gen for a substantial discount.

2 hours ago, ryan said:

found this for 1300

 

what do you guys think of this, I could order today 🙂

 

Refurbished (Fair) - ASUS ROG Strix G15DK Gaming PC (AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Desktop Processor/1TB SSD/32GB RAM/GeForce RTX 3080) | Best Buy Canada

 

@Mr. Fox @Papusan 

@jaybee83

So I take it you don't want to build you own? Did you do some price comparisons on PCpartpicker to see what you could build for a comparable price? I'm not really feeling the 5800X on that platform as even a 5800X3D will hamstring a 4090 let alone a 5090.

I would price out and build an AM5 system in preparation for a 4090/5090 class card and slap a 4070 in there for now.

21 minutes ago, ryan said:

looks like the 4050 in on point with 3060. I was thinking what games will I be able to play that I can't already play if I get a 4090 desktop? none that I can think of, it's like developers disappeared off the face of earth and no games are coming out. I play older titles so I should be good. as for linux its pretty slick, I just click try it out and bam I have a linux desktop off a thumb drive. also the cables matter for ssds so that problems solved just ordered some new cables 240w ones hopefully that solves the problem.

 

any rumors about msrp of 5090? which I will likely wait for because of GTA 6

As always, it comes down to desired resolution, details and framerate.

If your objective is to play at any resolution or settings and you don't care about sub 60fps, you can get away with a much much lower tier of hardware.

Take Hogwarts for example. Everyone bemoaning how taxing it can be but if you are willing to compromise across all three criteria, I had it running on my daughter's P377SM-G at 1080p with a 4810mq and 970m and 32GB of 1866 DDR3 and it was playable. Details were at low but if you don't care about resolution, details or framerates have at it. 🙂

My objective is always at least 120fps+ with the best detail level possible at 4k with no compromises and that tends to dictate my hardware level.

When I sit in front of my wife's desktop with a 12900k,  3080 10GB and a 32" 144p 165hz display I can see and feel the difference between my setup immediately. When she had my old 32" 60hz HP 10-bit display it was always nauseating to play on it after coming off my 144hz G7 and I used that HP for over 5 years for gaming! 🤣

As for Linux, I'm an Unbuntu and now Mint kinda guy and I keep Kali on thumb drives for other targeted work on the side.

Nothing yet on the 5090 front but I'm fully expecting $1900-2000 for launch MSRP.

Stock Dell G15 13650HX / 4050 laptop.....fresh from Dell with the newest BIOS off my storage shelf....

"I think something is wrong with the laptop you loaned me to play Hogwarts"

"Why?"

"The fans go crazy and it locks up or shuts down when I'm playing sometimes"

I give it a basic Timespy run....yeah there's a touch of overheating going on.....🤣

Pulling up to ~115w

Incoming PTM7950 and UV on this hotbox...

Still crazy that it seems MSI has basically jettisoned AMD 7000 GPU sales (sans 7600 mech) but I understand lol....

At least they're staying strong with AMD motherboards though.

6 hours ago, Meaker said:

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/47560084/spy/24164806#

 

Really quick and dirty first run.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/110725043

 

Run 2 without any monitoring running but still not tweaked.

 

Run 3 timespy

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47561055

 

Timespy extreme

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/47561193

Nice little boost there Meaker and still showing the reason fully upgrade enabled laptops have meaning and purpose.

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

So I have a Mini LED IPS LG 27" 4K 160Hz with 1560 dimming zones that I purchased before deciding I would give OLED a go with the new 4K 240hz panels. There is no disputing it, MiniLED still looks incredible and the brightness cannot be understated IMO. The LG MiniLED is NanoIPS/Quantom Dot so the colors are incredible, they also used an ATW (advanced true wide) Polarizer so it's the best IPS panel I have ever laid my eyes on. The ATW Polarizer means no IPS glow, near perfect panel uniformity, and it doesn't have that Mini LED off axis hazing. Easily the best IPS panel I've ever used. Unfortunately with all the OLED hype and early firmware issues, this panel never got the attention it deserves IMO. I'm not keeping both of the OLEDs, I got lucky with a Microcenter pick early one morning, and I had already ordered the LG WOLED. Just as I went to cancel the LG, it had already shipped earlier than projected by LG.

 

After a couple weeks with the MSI and about a week with the LG WOLED, I decided to keep the LG as it just fits me better. I prefer the inky blacks in all lighting, the whites aren't as warm/red, and I need speakers. The 1080p 480Hz mode is just icing on the cake for me. It feels like CRT gaming when playing esport titles at 480fps, incredible clarity and mouse connectedness. I'll give up a bit of color saturation to have all of that. I also prefer the closer to normal sub pixel arrangement for text clarity, because for it's easier on the eyes. A lot of that is subjective, and the MSI QD OLED is also phenomenal and I would be happy with it. Like I said, I tried to cancel the LG order once I had the MSI and made sure I was pleased with it. In fact for most the MSI $949 price tag makes it the one to get.

 

But OLED comes with some babysitting that annoys a bit. I have to remember to shut off my screen when I'll be gone for extended periods, or I just shut down the PC now. I change the background regularly, I hide the taskbar with auto hide, and I try to watch things in full screen and avoid constant windows or content. So why do this? The gaming is phenomenal. The motion clarity and responsiveness is worth it if you enjoy FPS gaming. I'm never going to go pro, but I would be lying if I said I don't feel as though I now have a leg up that I didn't have before. HDR is a wash or even a downgrade compared to the MiniLED due to brightness. It's good, but the MiniLED was eye searing great. 

 

Sorry kinda ranty. 

Agreed, mLED is such a step up from normal panels but OLED is just that much next level and the days of "OLED being too dim" are long gone. They are painfully bright even to me.

One reason I decided to give it a try is I gave my daughter an OLED Acer laptop last year to finally replace her Clevo P377SM-A she had for years for college (She basically was tethered and weighed down by it no matter what and she needed to go and be flexible) and she uses it every day for hours on end with no screen mitigation in place for over 6 months and when I was improving her cooling the other week I couldn't help but notice she had zero burn in even on the task bar. She uses it easily 2-3hrs daily and on some days 5-10hrs and there was no burn in anywhere. I'm sure burn in is still an issue with OLED (even the newest stuff), but I don't know what magic is being worked on newer panels but she had none.

I also have an Asus Vivobook 15.6" 1080p OLED laptop I'm using now with a basic 1080p screen so we'll see how that one fairs down the road. It has an Ultra 7 155h in it and it has become my new field/projects/raspberry/bookstore/Starbucks laptop.

The Samsung Odyssey G7 43" will replace our bedroom 15yr old 32" LED display. It's so old it doesn't even support HDCP properly so many Firestick offerings wouldn't run.

I'm still going to be pro-active for some very basic measures to thwart screen burn in just in case. Many games have static elements for HUDs and such and I am sure gamers play for many hours so we will see. I remember @tps3443 saying he spent plenty of hours gaming on his OLED and has had zero burn in.

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Hmmm. Now you'll will need an Alienware pc, Alienware laptop and Alienware KB. Maybe get an Razor mouse to match the Razer Nommo Pro V2 speakers so you can get the feel of Razer's well known quality. Or just buy an AW mouse and muse pad. 

 

Me... Whatever what AW and Razer offer (top notch or trash)...No thanks. I don't support those brands with money. But that's me🙂

 

 

 

 

I do actually use a Razer Deathadder V3 wired...... 🤣

I will never by an Alienware PC or KB. The Alienware M18 isn't all too bad if I went a modern large body laptop and accepted true DTRs are most likely never coming back. 😞

55 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i just cant get comfy with using an OLED display for main D2D usage. From my perspective, it's basically buying hardware with an inbuilt failure switch a.k.a. burn in. especially in my case usage where i need a display for both gaming / media, as well as work, OLED is just not an option = running static elements for 8+ hours per work day.

 

so at least for now: Mini LED with max. number of FALD zones FTW! 🙂 

I completely understand. For my real work I still rely on my BenQ on my other desk that doubles as my diagnostic/workstation display. I just roll my chair over there and use a Cherry MX keyboard and actually an EVGA Mouse for real work.

Even with all the modern "anti-burn" technology, I still switched my taskbar to disappear and set the screen saver to pop on after 60 seconds of non use to be safe. 🙂

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Niccceee!! I'm sitting here with both the LG 32" 4K 240Hz WOLED and the MSI MPG 321URX 4K 240hz QD OLED. 

Oh, so you know how it is then! I think they all use basically the same panel. 🙂

After sitting up playing Fallout 76 last night, the difference is pretty amazing. The color reproduction and brightness (especially explosions) is just sick. Plenty of times I just sat back going, "whoa...whoa..."

This is the first display to finally check ALL my boxes for a gaming display:

32"

4k

10-bit color accurate

144hz+

True HDR

Excellent response time

OLED level per pixel dimming

I had quickly adapted to the 43" Samsung, but it was mLED and 8-bit which coming off my BenQ 10-bit was a let down. BenQ was IPS with no local dimming.

I'm loving this setup with the AW and Razer Nommo Pro V2 speakers very much!

Set up my Alienware AW3225QF Oled 32" today and I've been playing around with it for awhile.

I was previously using a 43" Samsung G7 144hz 4k IPS 8-bit display for over a year (~13 months) and as expected this thing crushes its picture quality.

I would say this is like taking my favorite previous 32" BenQ 10-bit 60hz Gsync display and giving it 240hz with OLED level blacks.

Still not a fan of curved displays but the curve is slight enough to not send me into fits.

After going back and forth with HDR and testing, I actually prefer it off most of the time including in some games. For example, Fallout 76 looks better with it off but Starfield looks better with it on. For movies I prefer it on.

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Well crap, I had to go and be the guinea pig for MSI. Their latest bios broke 8000mhz  ram on my board. Ive tried for an hour to get it to post, and it just refuses. Expo on, expo off, it does not matter.

31 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

It'll post and boot at 6000mhz. Zero of my settings will post 8000mhz. Both module sets do the same thing.

Ack! Back to the previous BIOS you go.....

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Why not buy locked down Cpu's? This is just disgusting. I wonder how many gamers will run their unlocked Cpu's this way. You only need 8 cores Cpu's for games. 

 

Intel Core i9-14900KS (ASUS APEX Encore) Enforce Limits / Baseline:

 

https://wccftech.com/asus-intel-baseline-profile-option-bios-mitigate-14th-13th-gen-cpu-gaming-stability-issues/

For most normal users who don't care about R23 or benching, all they care about is gaming and not crashing. If new voluntary limits gets them stable, so be it. Other users (like us) will get under the hood and optimize our cooling as much as possible and then tune our chips to perform as well as possible in a D2D config along with a benching config.

This of course makes the 14900KS a bad buy for most consumers and it has already dropped in price to ~$664 from all sellers. If I was in the market for just a 24 core chip, I would go snag as cheap as possible 13900k as I could find, super cheap board with good VRMs and dirt cheap 7200mhz memory and save a ton of $$$$.

41 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I honestly think it is all just clickbait and social media titillation, and the only problem is idiots that own computers and loose nuts on top of the keyboard. So, the ASUS solution is to release turdbook firmware for desktops and treat all of their customers like they are as dumb as a box of rocks. Many of them are, and they need to figure it out, or go back to consoles and turdbooks, rather than having their hands held by a baby-sitter. Leave the rest of us out of it. Not our problem.

As long as some stock settings are changed for Joe Gamer to not crash but does not neuter or hinder those who want to get under the hood and have full access, I am all for this change.

Like @Talon has been saying, the stock, out of the box settings are too aggressive and this time redlining the silicon that has already been pushed too far has had consequences. I ended up having to drive almost two hours and tune my cousin's system last week because it was overheating like crazy with a 14900ks he had a local shop (mistake #1) swap in for his 12700k and they told him when he said it was crashing "This is just how these new Intel chips run" and a I want to say an ID cooling level 240mm AIO. When All was said and done, we ran to MC and picked up an EK Nucleus 360mm AIO and some case fans. I took my industry sized vial of KPx over and a complete cleaning, proper air flow, replacing that POS AIO, newest BIOS update  and tuning his Asus Z690 Hero and it is now purring along properly. I also tuned his memory at 6400mhz too while I was there (he was running it at 4800mhz Jedec lol) but not too tight as that would take days to certify to my standards. I also undervolted his 3080ti so it wouldn't sound like a jet engine taking off and promised to take it apart and clean it up next time. He skipped 4000 series but plans on picking up a 5080 or 5090. I also cleaned up his W11 install. Everything is running right as rain while we game online and he now owes me dinner and drinks.

In case you're wondering, his MC purchased 14900ks was reported as SP108 but I'm not sure with Z690 reporting as even my 13900KS on the Z690 Strix kept coming back as an SP98 but once tested on a Z790i Strix came back as a proper SP115. I know his V/F curve had his 6.2 at 1.468v and once dialed in within 320w PL limits and a small UV it wasn't throttling at all. It looked to be a pretty decent sample.

So why mention this? My cousin is typical of Joe User. He plays BF, FO, FN, WoW and MW. He's also started playing Alan Wake which sent his system into crashingville. A simple bios update and 14900k swap in had his system (which was already poorly optimized overall. The two case fans was atrocious) freaking out and overheating/crashing.

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

word, ill be judging the Zen 5 cpus based on the expected +70-80% performance boost of the 5090 🙂 so at 4K max i still dont expect much, if any, X3D advantages.

 

the regular review sites cite roughly a +20% uplift going from the 7950X to 7800X3D / 7950X3D in games at 1080p. This advantage dwindles to like 5% at 4K with "high" settings. Set that to Ultra / Max, and those 5% go down even further. so id rather have max multicore performance whenever needed rather than getting 2-3% more fps at 4K 😄 

It really comes down to the games played and with some newer titles being so graphically demanding, with a decent CPU the 4090 can hit a wall but that hasn't been the case with WoW and FO76 when stepping up from the 12900k -> 13900KS and 7800X3D saw tangible gains and GPU load finally moved into the 90s most times but still can't peg it except in spots here and there even at 4k. Starfield and Hogwarts definitely pegged around 98%+ at 4k though.

I'll have to get in there and toggle my CCDs with the 4090 to see the gains in my known benchmark runs in FO76 and WoW. Just like with the 5800X3D, I suspect with tuned ram, the non-X3D will pull closer to the X3D CCD but we will see.

I just flip CCD1 off and on as needed for gaming. It only takes a few minutes to load the profile and reboot. I'd rather do that than have Project Lasso still not prevent some drifts or gamebar nonsense.

58 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

highest real-world ive seen was 1009 MB/s, so the controller is specced for USB 3.2 10 Gbps. internal connection is for M.2 pcie 3.0 x4. 

 

 

i would be careful of those "40%+" claims currently floating around for Zen 5. Id rather expect somewhere in the range of 20+%, still nice bump though! at that bump, the regular 9950X would be roughly equivalent in games to the 7800X3D / 7950X3D, with the subsequent Zen 5 X3D skus likely being more performant as per usual.

ill likely just get the regular SKU, especially if its released months ahead of the X3D versions. at 4K maxxed out im gaming 100% gpu bound anyways, so X3D cpus wouldnt have any performance advantage anyways.

 

heck, currently in Alan Wake 2 i am SO gpu bound, that forcing my 7950X to its lowest clocks (sub 3 Ghz) with core parking enabled does NOT change the fps AT ALL when comparing to its max boost config 😄 cpu twiddling its thumbs while waiting on the GPU to plow through the monstrous amounts of data haha.

 

 

 

I never thought it would be 40%. 🙂 I expect ~15-20%. Any claims to 40% will be some targeted, outlier test that AMD will parade during launch.

If the 9950x is on par with the 7800X3D for gaming, I will definitely wait for the 9950X3D. There's no reason for me to upgrade for my D2D case usage considering my "real work" is on a Macbook Pro M2.

And yep, your games will determine if it is worth it or not regarding 4k GPU load. So far, every upgrade I've had CPU wise has resulted in performance uplifts with WoW and FO76 and the 4090 is not contained yet but getting closer. Of course the 5090 will drop and be bottlenecked even more by current CPUs....

8 hours ago, cylix said:

Thx ill do that , i also modded resolution, it doesnt know about ultrawide but i found on nexus a mod do add the 5120x1440 res :D. There is a lot to do in the game, it can suck you for hours. I hated the game at the beginning because of the lack of content and bugs. Now its enjoyable but those Bethseda bugs are still around 🤣

Good 'ole Nexus. I had to run the same mod when I was using an LG 49WQ95C-W 49" 5120x1440 display for 4-5 months back in 2022->2023 before switching back to a Samsung 43" Odyssey Neo G7 for the last year.

I'm going to downsize real estate wise and I have a Alienware  AW3225QF coming in a few weeks. This *should* be end game for gaming for me but we'll see. I've never used an OLED for my desktop.

And yep, the same bugs still persist especially the "look away and back" to get an NPC to interract or be able to loot everything. Those were in Fallout 4 too with the creation engine.

There is a crapton of stuff to do in the game and luckily at this stage (just like for me sans AC expansion) all the previous Xpacs and refinements (QOL) are there versus launch which was just a disaster. It really feels like a much more polished product. Wait till you start trying to craft perfect legendaries and watch all your mats you gathered over weeks (or months) go bye bye in the matter of a few days.....good times ahead!

8 hours ago, Raiderman said:

@electrosofthttps://www.techradar.com/computing/cpu/amds-next-gen-zen-5-cpus-could-launch-seriously-soon-going-by-a-new-rumor

 

https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X670E-CARBON-WIFI/support

👍👍👍👍👍👍😎😎😎😎😎

Oh, kicking Intel while they're down if all reports are accurate on Zen5 performance.... sooner than later works for me but the 9950X would have to game as fast if not faster than the 7800X3D (I basically turn off CCD1 when gaming turning my 7950X3D into a super binned 7800X3D).

5 hours ago, cylix said:

 

@electrosoft Damn amazon did a very good job with the Fallout Show, is top notch and baited me with the free Fallout 76 game.. It got me hooked 🤣. I am lvl 43. See ya in the Wasteland 😁

Welcome to Appalachia  brother. 🙂

You are literally running the best hardware for FO76 (X3D and 4090). Make sure to mod your FO76Prefs file to turn off Vsync so you can get all the fps you are entitled to.

Local disk->Users->Your_Name->OneDrive->Documents->MyGames->Fallout 76

Fallout76Prefs.cfg

Open with notepad and change iPresentInterval=0 to iPresentInterval=1

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

New/newer is always better bro @ryan  Right? 

 

AORUS Z790 beta firmware with Intel APO causes BIOS freezing
https://videocardz.com/newz/aorus-z790-beta-firmware-with-intel-apo-causes-bios-freezing

 

Users who upgraded their Z790 motherboards with the newest BIOS thinking they would get two important features are not happy anymore. The latest beta BIOS was supposed to support the Core i9-14900KS processor and enable Intel APO support.

 

The new firmware contains a bug that may cause the BIOS to freeze. The UI may freeze after a period of time or when changing tabs. This renders the BIOS unusable for many users, and it seems to affect not just one motherboard but all boards that were recently updated.

 

See also.... Aorus/Gigabyte treat their desktop in same way as with Jokebooks with BGA hardware. Asus is a awful company but the competitors ain't much better. This is just equal disgusting as this company.

 

Media reports have also highlighted another issue: the lack of support for the 14900KS CPU on older Z690 motherboards. Gigabyte has not released a BIOS update for the older chipset that would support this CPU. In this case, affected users should be relieved that they didn’t update the BIOS right away, but only because Gigabyte hasn’t released any updates.

 

 

For the pict jockey @electrosoft😀

 

I walk several trips every day with my dog to keep my health in check so it doesn't get worse. This is the payback... I needed new good shoes. And exactly the same model as before. Viking made for Norwegians. Only $210 USD. These new one will serve me well the next two years. Why change when you know the old trusty model works? I use the same philosophy (“If it ain't broke, don't fix it”) for shoes as for firmware/bios and OS @Mr. Fox These hiking shoes is damn good for my feets. New or newer models doesnt always mean better. And this is true in much of life @Rage Set🙂

 

Yup, the old is used until they collapsed....

 

 

@electrosoft Viking don't offer 100% all black for this model. But can't be much closer to the real deal😁

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5536935_papusan_geekbench3___multi_core_core_i9_14900ks_(8p)_75016_points?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5536914_papusan_7_zip_core_i9_14900ks_(8p)_140620_mips

Awww, you tricked me. 🙂

I saw the sneakers and went "YES!"

Then WHAM! Here come the crocs. 🤣

I still hit the gym and do all types of cardio to keep the wheels from falling off the chassis too including taking 45-90 minute walks. 50's are make or break time for males it seems. 🙄

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

@electrosofthttps://us.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-X670E-CARBON-WIFI/support

04/11/2024

AGESA Patch A updated?

Was hoping for Zen 5 support

Cryptic MSI as always. 🙂

We know it's coming though and as usual, Asus is a step ahead on BIOS updates overall.

On 4/10/2024 at 1:07 PM, Mr. Fox said:

This CPU might be ideal for the Munchkin PC's Z790i Edge with its pedestrian 360mm AIO and limited power phase capacity. I'm not pushing that past 8000 on the memory, so maybe the perfect match of CPU to system. On my benching rig I can just turn on the chiller and force more voltage down its throat to get it where I want it. That said, I am more impressed by the ITX system's abilities than I have been with the more costly builds. It's not equivalent, but better ratio of cost to benefit. Sometimes spending a lot more to get a little more is a tough pill to swallow even though doing more with MOAR is my favorite approach. Nobody likes getting screwed on overpriced products. The ROG Maximus mobos are a classic of example of paying a whole lot more and only getting a little more in return. You do get more, but it is not scaled against the price.

The beauty in ITX builds is it gives you somewhat of the challenge of tuning and/or overclocking a laptop but with real desktop components across the board.

Looking at some of the ITX builds Optimum puts out really shows you what you can cram into these small form factors and run full tilt 4090s and 13900k/7800X3D/7950X3D systems.

A lot starts with binned parts to get the best performance with CPU and GPU (in that order) leading the pack.

The 14900k you're using is the R batch from OCN I think. I was tempted to pick it up for Intel APO testing with WoW, but that price for its condition made it not worth it (delidded, lapped, dinged on the PCB, SA bug) to me. I would have topped out at $450 shipped for it but luckily you snagged it so we can see it in action.

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Not too bad for a CPU that I initially thought wasn't good enough to keep, even if it can't be push to 8400 or higher. I'm probably going to keep it. It's in my work PC, not my benching rig. Passes TM5 and 100% on MemTest Pro Dang Wang and all four passes of MemTest86 Pro with Parallel/HT enabled. SA voltage bug, so this 8200 C36 is totally stable with only 1.120V manually set on VCCSA. Leaving VCCSA set to Auto or manually setting higher than 1.120V causes lock-ups in Windows.

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 Edit: Just tested 8267 and that works fine as well. No changes to voltage or settings, only goosed it a bit from 8200 to 8267 with VCCSA 1.120V.Edit: Just tested 8267 and that works fine as well. No changes to voltage or settings, only goosed it a bit from 8200 to 8267 with VCCSA 1.120V.

That's not a bad chip at all. Outside of the SA bug (booo!) the actual performance and V/F curve looks rather nice! On your real hardware, this will break 45k easily.

51 minutes ago, ryan said:

about 12 sources are saying the 5090 will likely be a 1.7x or 77 percent uplift. if the accuracy turns out, its pretty exciting news, thats a pretty big bump with its supposed 24 000 cuda cores and gddr7. if it does end up being 70 percent faster and I buy one then I will definately be good for 4k gaming for about 5 years and that is worth the 2k price, but price wise no one really knows but I expect the typical you get more but you pay more pricing.

I don't think so for the consumer model but I can certainly hope so. A 77% uplift is massive but an uplift of 50% more cuda cores on the same node is going to be a 600-700w+ monstrosity at stock. I could reasonably see ~25% more cuda cores and GDDR7 carrying a lot of the heavy lifting for a 500-600w card and ~30-50% uplift.

$2k has been the rumored price for awhile now and you would be getting some major bang for the buck if that is true but then again I don't want a space heater in my room like the 3090ti was either.

If we get that monster uplift (again doubt it), that is an instant buy and sell for myself. We'll revisit this in October/November if it actually launches this year.

1 minute ago, cylix said:

New rumors that 5090 will launch this year 🫣🫠. How hard do you think it will be to get one? I am contemplating to sell my 4090 now and get some good money on it as to wait until 5090 will reach the market, probably it will lose a chunk  off value then...

I dont play that much anymore  only  some not demanding games like diablo 4 and battlefield 2042, games that i can run on the 3080 Asus Turdbook or get a 3070 or 3080 until 5090. But i dont want to not be able to get one on launch date or short after that..

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-rtx-5080-blackwell-gpus-launch-q4-2024-rumor/

What I've garnered so far is 5090 = same node / process as 4090 pumped up more but the majority of gains will be from GDDR7 and it's gonna run hot and heavy. I am curious about the performance gains since the 4090 was such a bump over the 3090. Part of me expects smaller than expected gains as they are cramming in more voltage and while the AI sector is looking at an MCM design, the consumer market looks to get a big ole juicy monolithic die again.

I plan on waiting till after it drops (or close to it). I do too much Fallout 76 and WoW to suffer for months without top notch 4k performance. if the 7900xtx wasn't such a crapshow with WoW, I could see using it as a stop gap but for WoW it is garbage with all the driver issues.

I've actually had a few people reach out (3) wanting to buy my 4090 because it auto boosts to 2820+ right out of the box and with a basic OC on the stock AIO cooler does 3120+. Mem  >=+1500. I imagine on a chiller and a real block with a real XOC bios it might turn into a monster if it does this on stock gear.

The major win for me is basically zero coil whine to the point I not only run my case fully open but I no longer have to use headphones and can play like I used to.

With all this said, if a model on launch I want pops up for retail I will most likely pull the trigger but if I miss it or have to wait till Jan/Feb (which is what happened with my 4090), I'm fine with that too. I'll probably lock into MSI, FE or Asus again (in that order).