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Jensen: "If you have a 2080ti it's ok to go ahead and upgrade" 🤑 Crazy bi-generational uplift for top tier card.

Exactly like I said before. If you have a 3090/3090ti or even a 6900xt/6950xt to a degree the only logical, meaningful upgrade path with a true and proper upgrade in performance is the 4090 or wait for the AMD refresh which is going to be more than just a binned GPU and slight uptick in memory bandwidth this time around. Then we have Nvidia with the 4090ti behemoth waiting in the wings to top off their win this time around too.

His results have been sus in the past but sometimes accurate. There's a reason he is stuck around 12-13k subs. With that being stated, in pure raster I still expect the 7900xtx to beat the 4080 overall in gaming and Nvidia to drop prices on the 4080 and then introduce a 4080ti to slot in between the 4080 and 4090 that will beat the 7900xtx. 4090 is off in its own dominant world looking down on all current gen GPUs.

In other words, "Back to our regularly scheduled program." 🙂 Here's to hoping the actual reviews shore up the 7900xtx a bit in gaming performance......

Sapphire model looks real nice and 3x power connectors too. The AMD reference model is a non-starter for me with 2x power connectors and conservative cooling design. Nvidia is in the driver seat for the halo / top end product. AMD simply can't compete. A 4090ti is a sure bet at $2k for those who demand the absolute best and will pay for the meaningful bump in CUDA cores and refinements. Nvidia won't leave that financial nugget off the table regardless of whether AMD is able to double down and bring X3D to their GPUs or whatever magic they will need to work if they want to actually target the clear top dog this time around no questions asked. As for anything not 4090? It's all weak sauce this time around. Every card including the 7900xtx and 4080 (especially cost) aren't substantial upgrades over the 3090ti or even a 6950xt. It starts to become a game of features and price:performance. Raw performance upgrade? There's just nothing out there that can touch a 4090. It is just that much of a monster GPU. I can see for price:performance though the 7900xtx being an option but only an AIB model and suddenly that $999.99 card is $1199.99. Wait for competition/saturation markdowns or go grab a used 3090/ti or 6900xt/50xt and call it a wrap if you're not targeting a 4090 for even more savings. If the 4080 hits below $1k it starts to become a less horrible option. Real reviews will give much more clarity in actual game play but still... And to think I was thinking the 7900xtx was going to be a monster of a GPU based on early rumors and leaks lol....silly me. 🤣

Some 12900ks were pretty bad. I got an SP94 that was actually pretty decent. As for 13900K and 13900KS? I'm definitely skipping both and sticking with my 12900k for now till the Raptor refresh in the fall unless 7950X3D is a monster. Hoping it is the Suprim X and NOT a box full of Crocs.... 😆

4080's still in stock at Newegg and Microcenters..... *giggle* along with A770.

Lovin the pics and congrats on the Suprim Liquid X 4090! That would be the model I'd pick up. Weather has changed so much here in the US on the east coast that we don't get the brutal winters I used to love. Your rig is now a bonifide monster bro.

If Win7 compliance is a must it is going to continue to be a rough road ahead I'm afraid. 😞 Intel has clearly forged a forward thinking path shedding a lot of previous compatibility as has Nvidia. I'm unsure what AMD's status is in regards to Win7. I see it as most companies eventually EOL support for legacy OSes especially with newer products but also the fact as you mention, "garbage as a service" model is changing what an OS is and what it provides in a detrimental way. I hopped on board as soon as the A380 was available in limited quantities in August I think and my initial assessment was potential but WoW ran a little rough and older benchmarks stuttered or didn't run at all. Now? The drivers have matured so much and continue to gain steam. Bi-weekly updates and as mentioned before WoW runs really well. My daughter's A380 system: The wife's A770 system: I love the stark white "intel ARC" logo and EVGA logo running in tandem. The classic blue Intel lights that have just a hint of maroon dance through the bar matching the lights. She let me know I'm not taking this one back no matter what on pure aesthetics. 🙂

Intel just released beta drivers that optimize a few more games but more importantly WoW:Dragonflight. The card was already solid for WoW, but with the beta drivers I'm getting crazy good performance with the A770 @ 2560x1600 on the wife's display. Everything to max, RT off and it hits ~65% render rate locked at 60fps (her display limits). Letting it run free and 100fps+. Turn on RT full Ultra everywhere and it is still hitting 60fps just about everywhere with Render Rate sitting around 88% locked at 60fps. When she had a 3060 and 3070 in there I had to dial it back to Level settings 5 and 7 to avoid dips into the 40s. Only the 3080 was able to fully handle ~60fps Ultra 10 RT on Ultra everywhere with no blips. I am astounded to get this much performance in a $350 card at 1440p. I can't wait to test the drivers out on the A380 on my daughter's rig and her Dell 25" 1080p 240hz display. They seem to be releasing drivers every other week which is a seriously frantic pace. Haven't heard a peep out of MLID.

Aliexpress: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803333420894.html?ug_edm_item_id=3256803333420894&pdp_npi=2%40dis!USD!US %2436.00!US %2428.80!!!!!%402102e95716595787031711001ddfb2!!edm&edm_click_module=alg_product_l1r2_1375904380&creative_img_ind=1&tracelog=rowan&rowan_id1=aeug_edm_41180_1_en_US_2022-08-05&rowan_msg_id=elecCOWS_41180_%24faf182f289d145ae8182dcb08d720378&ck=in_edm_other&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa&_randl_shipto=US But the prices have gone back up....drastically.

18" Alienware with 4000 series soldered GPU and 13th gen HX chips incoming.....BGA in an 18" chassis?

Multiple 4080s are available too @tps3443 on Newegg since you are singing its praises. 🙂

I know both my EVGA 1600's (T2 and P2) had/have a slightly loose socket. The power cable itself mounts firmly in it but the socket itself is flexible a bit. I thought this was for the heft and weight of the cable and support.

$1900.00 but it was a KPE 3090ti with all the limited run, best of, etc... mumbo jumbo. When everything is said and done I'm going to clear ~$1740 in my pocket so a -$260 differential from price paid but that included a 1600w P2 EVGA PSU I'm keeping and is in my rig for the foreseeable future as my main PSU. Since you never knew the SP rating of your last two good chips, there is a slight chance this one could fair worse than either one of your two gooders. I just curious as to where it stacks up with a known SP rating. Either way, you sold two of them at a profit so that takes care of a good chunk of the extra cost paid even if this one cost $50 more overall than your last gooder sold.

Yeah my idea was to list it at a price I'd be willing to sell and just keep using it while it was listed. I was actually playing WoW when I heard the ching ching of fleabay. I love the card (understatement) but I just can't reconcile sitting on a ~$2k card to play WoW and FO76 as much as I'd like to keep it for several reasons (EVGA last KPE, aesthetics, still games like a monster). True story, I told my wife I sold it while we circle the wagons for the upcoming year and that I would be putting the Strix 3080 back in my desktop. She said, "Awwww, why?" I lit up the aux system with the A770 in it and said, "I'll be putting this one in yours." She immediately said, "Oh **** yes! WoW that is beautiful!" .....didn't even ask if it could run WoW properly....lol. I will say this about the A770, it would sing with a block but I would never block it even if I could it looks that good. In a week we will have a "Runs on Intel ARC GPU" household on 2 out of 3 systems. Who would of thunk it? Nope. It HAS been awhile but Zoltan let me know they Sager has the 2080S available and they have processed an order to obtain one. Once it is in shop I then send off my X170SM-G. I think I am going to request to not use K5 Pro this time but just the stock thermal pads it will most likely ship with as that K5 is messy. Yep and this is only the beginning: Return to normalized market conditions GPU fatigue since Ampere Worldwide Recession Worldwide Inflation No more CryptoPandemic AMD There is always...ALWAYS a mass influx of early adopters/buyers for all hot new tech. Even AMD 7000 sold out in many places but we see how a few months on prices were cut. Nvidia isn't magical and the demand just isn't there like it was in 2020 especially at those mid tier money grab prices. Nope, I completely skipped 13900k. First time I've skipped an Intel since 2008. I am on the fence with 13900KS too and will most likely ship that. Just the idea of minor architectural improvements and slapping on 8 more e-cores turned me off this time around along with the ever creeping prices of motherboards. I'll wait for 14th gen / 7000X3D and see what that brings to the table. if 7000X3D is anything like the uplift 5800X3D brought to the table it is going to be something substantial. Plus playing WoW and FO76 at 5120x1440 my GPU routinely is pegged at 100% while my CPU never breaks 30% no matter what I'm doing in game. That is even with e-cores off since WoW for some reason keeps drifting onto them and you get this nasty little hiccups.

I love binning but I've slowed down recently on everything in a way I haven't done in quite some time. Sold my Z690 Classified sealed Sold my KPE 3090ti Sold off a few laptops Sitting on my 12900k and Strix D4 Prolly sell off a few more things and just sit back and wait For on the go use, my X170SM-G is down for the count while I wait for a replacement RTX 2080S to be sourced from ZtecPC (one month and counting) so I've adapted and living off my MSI GL66 Pulse. Prolly sell off the X170SM-G at this rate when I get the GPU replaced under warranty. I'll sit back and enjoy your binning adventures and whatever @Talon buys next. 🙂 Looking forward to seeing the results of a targeted binned purchase versus going 2 for 3 on off the shelf rando luck. It will be fun to see with your setup how this chip does and will put your two winners in proper perspective comparatively.

Look for average sell through and price for starters since launch (or the last month) and you will see a sell through rate of ~9% for 4080's and ~53% for 4090s. As you've seen, Strix's cause people to dump massive sums on name brand over MSRP. Secondly, go back and look for completed sales for the 4080 listed by ended recently and you will see most are black (not sold) vs green (sold). You would never see so many unsold units back during the Crypdemic. This doesn't take into account auto renewed listings. Nvidia can purposely hold back inventory all they want but they are not going to manufacture demand except to scalpers. The overall demand is just not there. Just keep watching and wait till ~Feb 2023. Sit back, relax and enjoy your 3090 till then. 🙂 I sold my KPE 3090ti last night so I'll be waiting it out with the Strix 3080 till Feb 2023 and beyond before I make any type of decisions. I'm putting the A770 in the wife's rig and A380 in my daughter's rig.

Where are you looking? Using Best Buy or Newegg as a metric is flawed. What is being asked and what is actually being paid are two different things and if Nvidia wants to create artificial scarcity in the end someone has to want to buy it when it is available. This "demand" isn't anything like before and anyone buying right now over MSRP is making a mistake vs just waiting a few months.

It is one of the rare times online pictures do not convey how industrial "Blade Runner"'esque it is in real life. The fact it is performing routinely like a 3070 with 2x the memory at a 3060 price point is chock full of win. Drivers are much better now this time around too. Lol, I didn't want to be greedy. 🙂 I'll end up tweaking some more as I move the components over to her final case. I want to see if I can unlock that A380 too. I'll take (suffer) the Crocs if they include the Asus gear! 😅

That is great to read! What a fun journey too (well, for us readers). What I gleaned from this is I will be picking up a dirt cheap G5 Celeron to put in mine when I ship it back to have the GPU replaced so nothing happens to my choice SL delidded 10900k in there now. They are only $15 on eBay. 🙂

Yeah, basically more paperwork for us to itemize losses/gains on our taxes for any gross yearly sales > $600. I don't know what is worse the farsical "tax cuts" of the previous administration which were a sham to begin with for us mere mortals or "Build Back Better" which slipped in reducing the reporting threshold from $20k to $600. I mean, technically you're supposed to report any profits even from eBay but the new reporting thresholds no longer allow you to ignore it since the IRS will be getting a nifty form from eBay detailing all your selling. Same goes for PayPal, Venmo and more. Collecting sales tax on used goods has always been around. From buying a used car to shopping in a second hand thrift shop. It was going to eventually catch up to us and it did. Doesn't make it sit right with me but local and federal governments will continue to extract their pound of flesh. In the end, does it make a difference? Like @Mr. Fox I run yearly losses overall and just use eBay to dump mostly used gear and try to get as close to breaking even while giving me some breathing room to buy other new toys. Only if you're making a profit will that 1099k affect you (outside of paperwork annoyances) but if you're seriously going after sellers or private parties selling more than $600/yr vs 20k? You clearly aren't targeting the rich or corporations. Same rules apply to the limited and laughable tax cuts for us peons which grossly favored the rich and corporations while having a limited shelf life for us and destroying and limiting many itemized deductions for us mere mortals. Garbage out on both sides. I haven't tallied the numbers yet but I'm going to run about a 300-400 loss for the year on eBay. Oh, and congrats on the sale! 🙂

Finally got around to building out the test components for my daughter's rig. I've been piecing it together slowly over the last month or so and the final piece was the motherboard I snagged on Black Friday from newegg (Asus Prime B660 for $99), so I've had a chance to play around with the A380 and A770 in the Test rig before building out in her final case: Pictures don't do the A770 justice. It is a beautiful card. One of the best I've seen in build quality, feel and looks. It looks even better in person. On first boot up I just sat there for a few going, "Ohhhh.....so pretty!" I spent the day tweaking the G.Skill 2x8GB 3600 sticks to dial them in as much as possible then gave the A380 a run and it is scoring the same as before ~4400 (Basically a 1650). Problem is it is locked. Performance settings don't stick. You can drop the power but not raise it and zero offsets. Good, solid, inexpensive little card though. Solid performer. A770 scores stock right around 3070 levels: Tweaked it a little to see where it could go with a mild OC: Grabbed #1 in TS for this combo: I jumped into WoW to compare the two and the A770 is ~3x more powerful than the A380. In the most hard hitting spot with RT to full at 1080 A380 = 22fps / A770 = 65fps. For reference my old 3070 would get ~ 67fps in the same spot at 1080.

1. Double check your thermal application and pairing 2. Hand pick a good silicon quality chip that runs naturally lower/cooler 3. Undervolt.

@Papusan finally found your dream upgrade! 😁