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I can't quite figure out why Newegg has so many of these shipped and sold from Newegg and at MSRP and they keep coming into stock while they're completely sold out elsewhere. They routinely say limit 5 even on high demand items and I just checked and they're out of stock....again. 4090 and 7900xtx are routinely out of stock. Every other card is pretty easy to find. Of course the "fear" is this supply of Gigabyte cards will eventually dry up as BB and Amazon rarely, if ever, have them come into stock.

Updated the launch page with this for those who need the pad measurements. Thanks @ViktorV!

The new bar is Cyberpunk 2077 4k Psycho RT and the new Unreal Engine 5 Ultra settings 4k RT enabled. They quickly bring the 4090 back to reality.

Looking quite righteous bro! For a second I didn't have my glasses and I thought it said 7900x I was like wth?! 🙂 "Team Red Standing by" 😈 I've often found there is a large swath of those without who beat their chests, berate and denigrate those with and talk about bringing fairness and equality to the world. Once they become one of those with, they tend to transmogrify into the very thing they once loathed and disparaged..... .....funny how that works.

As long as it is the newest version (the one that also enabled 2000 series support), it will support 9th gen too. When I received my unit the version of Prema on it only supported 8th gen and 1000 series at the time before Zoltan (when he was with HIDevolution) did a remote session and upgraded it to the newest enabling 9th/2000 support. As for the 4th fan, I think a few users did a mod with it on the old NBR. I know @jc_denton explored the idea but I'm unsure if he went ahead and installed one. I've done that so many times with various items over the years. There is a sense of satisfaction when you know you could have purchased it but opted not to. When presented with the moment, common sense (for now 🙂 ) kicked in. If I still had my 3090ti I would not have picked up a 4090. I was blessed to be able to sell my KPE 3090 at the height of the crypto-crazy times for more than I paid for it and sell my KPE 3090ti for everything I paid for it when all was said and done (I think I came out ahead by like ~$50-100 when all was said and done) to afford me the chance to pick up a 4090 free and clear of other financially dragging cards. I basically swapped my 3090ti for a 4090. The 4090 is a monster upgrade especially with the newer RT cores. 4k gaming with the 3090 and 3090ti still hit walls and lows the 4090 overcomes now placing the burden on the CPU while still capping my display in FO76 and coming real close in WoW. My next upgrade is definitely a CPU. I'm not seeing how the 5090 will offer me anything that would be an improvement for my use case*. My problem will now be CPU limits. You could always set a price for your KPE 3090 and list it and if it sells apply that to a 4090. You can also pick one up from Amazon that, unlike Newegg, has a full return policy versus replacement only policy. *As always I reserve the right to eat crow and pick one up because.....why not? 🤪

IIRC, the P870TM(1) supports the 1080 (and 1070/1060) with Prema. I also ran a 9900ks in my P870TM1 with Prema too. It was updated to the newest version from HIDevolution at the time.

P2W system build...basically grabbing the best of the best and comparing against a $600 basic betty:

@Talon has tried a few and @tps3443 basically has a upper mid tier 13900ks with his binned 13900k. 13900KS definitely bin better overall and some of the samples showing up are pretty monstrous. Even mid tier 13900ks chips are upper 13900k chips.

Do you have some Timespy runs for comparison?

Dagger to the heart....

Nice! I'm digging the all red .sig too! "All Hail AMD!" style 🙂

This echoes my existence almost exactly. My younger brother started playing EQ back in the day and I invited him to come out and stay with me for a few weeks so him along with my other younger brother and a friend could attend DC Con (ID Quake convention back in the day) and the first thing he did when he got here was ask where he could set up and jack in with his desktop to "camp a rare" and I just shrugged and hooked him up to my ISDN and he played all day, evening and when I went to bed and woke up he was still playing. I was amazed a game could hold someone's attention for that long and how was that possible. He played EQ everyday all day and cleared my fridge of all its pent up hot and lean pockets. 🙂 Even in my early days of WoW I could never play that long but I found out I could pull 8-10hr sessions which I never thought possible before. Programming? Yes. Gaming? No but it was an eye opener. I made (and continue to have) numerous friendships from online guilds (WoW) and clans (Quake) over the years. Ditto on the bi-racial issue(s) too. I'm 50% african 50% European (40% UK)...textbook. PSO, VF and Shenmue along with Working Designs games slated for release were the primary reasons I picked up a Dreamcast back in the day. I love the idea that your addiction would derive primarily from achieving maximum value from your paid subscription. 🙂 I played PSO primarily on the Dreamcast but never tried the PC version. My original love derived from the Genesis versions (I and II) and I definitely feel you on the identity crisis. Kids can be incredibly cruel. WoW started off much more like EQ in terms of complexity and difficulty but over the years they've definitely dumbed down a lot of mechanics and made playing/questing much easier plus back in the day day no add-ons. It was much more hardcore. I try to tell my wife and daughter (who also plays) about how much harder it was "back in my day" (usually seated on a porch somewhere waving my fist at imaginary kids on my lawn). I never, EVER allowed myself to pay more than the cost of the game and subscription (if it had one). Even to this day, I will never, ever pay extra for anything. When I see family, friends and guildies forking over REAL money for P2W or useless skins/accessories I just shake my head, remount my imaginary porch and start to regale them yet again.... Rules for newer versions: Does your current system have problems that this new version will address? Read the change log notes..is there an unknown issue you were unaware of that needs to be addressed? If the answer is no to both, skip it and continue using your system. If it will address an issue, is the issue critical of nature that is in a "nothing to lose" configuration? If no, wait at least a few weeks till others test it / shake out any potential issues. I never, ever rush to install updates / newer versions of anything.

I used to play hardcore 8-10hrs a day back at launch for WoW (I got by on 3-4hrs of sleep some nights), but over time and years I've pulled back from hardcore raiding and I am a full on casual now and enjoy the journey. I play a couple of hours most days. On the days I have time, I'll throw in a 3 or 4hr session but nothing like I used to be. If I know I want to play both, I'll purposely play one 1-2hrs and the other 1-2hrs. Diablo IV drops this summer to boot and I'm all about that too....ugh. My wife on the other hand has been playing a little over 2yrs of WoW now and she can still fully pull 4-6hr sessions with ease. She asks me why I don't play like that anymore and I just tell her I've been playing for 18yrs now. I've found my groove. Fallout 76 on the other hand is "new" to me and I could easily get sucked in for 4-6hrs quickly as everything is still so fresh and newish. I went through a phase where I played EQII pretty hardcore too for about a year too. I'll stop and take breaks for new games I want to play that have fixed end points (CP2077, Deux Ex series, etc...).

@Papusan Go big or go home bro! 🙂

The mobile variant of the 3060 truly was the closest approximation to the desktop version. 3070 dropped off noticeably and the 3080 was just a joke in comparison. 3060 is a good 1080p GPU. Must be a solid gaming experience for you.

The XFX 7900XTX is a tank and a good sample. No coil whine, stays cool under load and the aesthetics are fantastic but in the end the 4090 is an (expensive) AMD slayer. I've thought about holding onto the XFX 7900XTX just to see how drivers progress and potentially build out an all X3D rig but I'm sure common sense will kick in especially if I switch to X3D on my primary if it proves to be the superior gaming CPU. Once I do a clean install I'll get in there and see where it goes GPU and VRAM wise. Hitting up to 2835 and never dropping below 2820 in TS runs is a good start at stock.

4090 is a certified WoW/FO76 beast. Fallout 76 after an hour...I have my display capped to 140fps (144hz display) and average fps? 140fps ~66% GPU utilization....Fallout 76 is a wrap. Can't get any better performance than this at 5120x1440 for my 144hz display WoW Dragon flight FP runs RT on ...CPU bound but still averaging 133fps RT on / 141fps RT off. This will only get worst end game as CPU utilization skyrockets with PvP/PvE. With the 13900ks or a 7800X3D I'm thinking that's a wrap too for my display and gaming or "tough" it out for the fall RPL refresh aka last of the socket 1700. In both scenarios with the 7900XTX I was pegged to 100% GPU usage with much lower fps. (1-9% faster than the Strix 3080 10GB for WoW, ~30% faster in FO76).

Zero regrets picking up this 4090. WoW is now as it should be and I'll be on the hunt for a CPU upgrade now to try and keep up with it. I know when I get to end game my 12900k is just going to choke hard even at 5120x1440. I can just imagine @Papusan at 1440p it will always be ready and willing for a CPU upgrade for quite a few generations to take advantage of it when you get your Asus. Gigabyte 4090 back in stock at da Egg.... It is also their #1 Seller https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4090-gv-n4090gaming-oc-24gd/p/N82E16814932550?Item=N82E16814932550&Description=4090&cm_re=4090-_-14-932-550-_-Product&quicklink=true

Yes it can be used stand alone. The idea is when you're at home or near your res/pump you can just quickly connect and get better performance / less noise.

Yeah I looked and went, "Ummm?" You can keep the mouse pad MSI. Give me the screws. 🙂 No way I'm going with the turbo jets lol but I will investigate Push/Pull and/or another set of fans down the line. Running more tests now but definitely CPU bound. Raster is barely outperforming RT. I'm going to give it a clean install just like I gave the 7900XTX a clean install of its own just to make sure. I'll also check to see if OpenRGB supports the Strix and Suprim instead of loading their bloatware since both are rainbow/pulsing by default atm. 🤮

Spent a few hours and installed new contact frame, cleaning the dust and gunk out and yanking some fans and popping in the Suprim X. While doing that I moved my 2x16gb DDR4 sticks over to the Strix Z590-E with the golden 10900k (in there while my X170SM-G is being repaired) to see how far they would go over there with 1.5v and they topped out at 4300mhz. They would boot at 4400 but while TM5 passed Windows Memory Diagnostics did not. 4300mhz was rock solid in both. I plan on verifying this just setting my Z690-A into G2 and running the same settings at 4300 to remove the CPU IMC from the equation and see if the motherboard can hit that same 4300 (or higher) while I contemplate a 7800X3D or 13900KS (see WoW update below). I have a GPU to EVGA 4xPCIe cable on order so I'll be able to get rid of that tentacle sooner than later. First impressions of the Suprim X Liquid: Beautiful card well built Fans are crazy quiet under load but I could up their fan speed if I wanted to bring temps down under 60. Mild coil whine >200fps when running TS (This is with the case totally exposed with front, back and side panels all removed) No coil whine in WoW (Display capped at 144hz) (Same as above) Coil whine on this card vs bud's Suprim X 4090 Air cooled model is like night and day capped at 144hz (thank goodness!) Stock clocks are at ~2820mhz in TS and WoW. 4 screws for 8 holes? Mmmmkay. Pump is dead silent...I was expecting EVGA level pump action noise. Pleasant surprise. Stock Timespy run out of the box: As for WoW..... I have some tweaking and other things to do but.... Well, it's official.... total stock 12900k and I'm CPU bound at 5120x1440. First time ever I've seen the CPU pegged to 100% routinely ever and this CPU has seen the KPE 3090, KPE 3090ti, Strix 3080, XFX 7900XTX and never even kissed 70%. With RT on, as soon as I'm up around 125fps+ the CPU is bouncing off of 100%. I've never seen the CPU % light up red before. I'm not even to raids or PvP yet which are CPU heavy on their own especially with spell effects. Right now I'm looking at ~130fps w/ RT on vs ~70fps 3080 vs 76fps 7900XTX but I'll do some runs to get an average. I did not bank on being CPU bound at close to 4k.

I'd posit that if you have even 12th gen, 13th gen is nearly a non-starter unless you really need multi threaded. When I am shopping for...well...anything, I always keep the mindset of the upsell, what do I need and in the end for profit entities are here exactly for that...maximum profit at all costs. Intel is no more your friend than AMD, Nvidia, Google or Apple. Their objective is to make money. The curse of the 12900ks strikes again just hotter and heavier this time around.....

In Intel's defense these are just on average better binned 13900k chips and everyone knows it. There are chances a 13900k will be better or close enough as is but if you're looking for a better chance at a binned specimen out of the box this is the premium you pay. When I binned some 12900k chips and settled on my SP91 I ended up picking up a 12900ks that was a SP94 and while it was overall a better chip they both ran into thermal walls at 5.4 on my AIO and I ended up selling it to my bud versus return it. It wasn't worth the premium to me and it overall provided my setup x1 bin overall. But if you're looking for the "best of the best," a few 13900ks chips will rise to the top when all is said and done that will end up trumping the "best of the best" 13900k chips too unless you end up with a few choice samples (or examples) from the likes of Sugi and company that always end up with the dream chips. I skipped 13900k. I'm contemplating a 13900ks but I feel I might skip that too. We'll see.

EVGA E1 Frame + Suprim X Liquid + Z690 Dark + Asus AIO They should have slapped in a new EVGA CLC 360 and 3D printed an EVGA emblem to go over the "SUPRIM" to really bring it home for EVGA. I like how they replaced the MSI fans with Noctua's too.

Yeah they lasted a good 3hrs overall which is definitely a good sign. Suprim Liquid X drifted in and out of stock a few times too. Do you have a particular model that catches your fancy? lol, at least I said I wouldn't be making any decisions till February 2023 so I'm eating just a touch of crow's meat. 🙂