*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Reciever said:

So it turns out im not patient enough to sit on new hardware.

 

Going to finally use the stock heatsink for the 2700x and see if I can put the NH-D15s on the 10850K, I believe it may have the mounting bracket already. If not I'll get it ordered.

 

If it is a relatively newish D15 (less than 6yrs old) if should have an Intel 115x bracket in there to work.

 

 

[Reciever]

48 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

If it is a relatively newish D15 (less than 6yrs old) if should have an Intel 115x bracket in there to work.

 

 

I felt that would be the case, just didnt want to put my foot in my mouth right out of the gate lol 

[ryan]

 

 

So the good news I didnt smash my laptop, as I was able to get within arms reach of 9000 in ts graphics, everything is performing well. I actually switched to older drivers and my games performance is up by a nice amount and benchmarks are pretty similar. As you can see in the above photos, undervolting and overclocking can put me in fighting distance to the 125w 3070. I had no Idea the 3060 was this good, I thought the 3070 was quite a bit better, in games there seems to be only a few frames difference, I think I thought this because the 3070 desktop is pretty powerful but has next to nothing in common with the mobile variant

 

heres the same witcher picture, old drivers better performance

 

before 93

 

now

 

 

but at the cost of timespy 70 point loss

[electrosoft]

Newest Asus Z690 D4 BIOS update (1201 -> 1304).

 

Read speeds increased by 7000+ and latency dropped by ~3ns compared to 1201 with the 2x8 G.skill Bdie. This is comparing stock XMP timings for consistency (Pure stock run).

 

I picked up a 980 Pro 1TB to replace my SN850 500GB along with those 2x16GB bdie sticks from @Mr. Fox so that's next up this afternoon to go with a clean install.

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The list of things wrong with laptops seems to be endless.

And more and more from laptops will be adopted to desktops. The trend is crystal clear.

 

Yep, the trend from Notebooks will be implemented for desktops. What's better than new features to monitor the load? New features will now come from Lap-Jokes. Even Intel desktop processors are now leftovers from the BGA trend (baby cores on desktop cpu's to increase the power efficiency). Monitoring is equal Telemetry = Disgusting.

 

ATX 3.0 & ATX12VO 2.0: New power supply standards with 600 watt connector for GPUs

 

Other changes to the standards

As further innovations in the standards, Intel cites adjustments to the Power Excursion Limits for 300-600 W PCIe AICs ECN standard published by the PCI SIG at the end of 2021 ( not public ) and the ATX12VO standard, the unexplained adoption of the "I_PSU%" function from notebooks - and server platforms, which should make it easier for system integrators, especially for smaller systems that can only accommodate comparatively weak power supplies, to select the right power supply for the system by monitoring the load.

[ryan]

43 minutes ago, Papusan said:

And more and more from laptops will be adopted to desktops. The trend is crystal clear.

 

Yep, the trend from Notebooks will be implemented for desktops. What's better than new features to monitor the load? New features will now come from Lap-Jokes. Even Intel desktop processors are now leftovers from the BGA trend (baby cores on desktop cpu's to increase the power efficiency). Monitoring is equal Telemetry = Disgusting.

 

ATX 3.0 & ATX12VO 2.0: New power supply standards with 600 watt connector for GPUs

 

Other changes to the standards

As further innovations in the standards, Intel cites adjustments to the Power Excursion Limits for 300-600 W PCIe AICs ECN standard published by the PCI SIG at the end of 2021 ( not public ) and the ATX12VO standard, the unexplained adoption of the "I_PSU%" function from notebooks - and server platforms, which should make it easier for system integrators, especially for smaller systems that can only accommodate comparatively weak power supplies, to select the right power supply for the system by monitoring the load.

 

 

the problem is they are weak. they are hot. they are expensive. so count me in my next computer will be a desktop

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Yep, the trend from Notebooks will be implemented for desktops. What's better than new features to monitor the load? New features will now come from Lap-Jokes. Even Intel desktop processors are now leftovers from the BGA trend (baby cores on desktop cpu's to increase the power efficiency).

Yep. No baby cores for the next AMD flagship and increased TDP. Intel has to offer a lot more than the 8 added E-cores for coming 13th gen chips to compete. Maybe Intel think 24 cores and 32 threads is a hell lot more than 16 real cores + HT but only 8 P cores.....

 

AMD Ryzen 7000 Series "Raphael" Processors to Come with up to 170 Watt TDP for 16-Core SKUs

AMD is slowly preparing to transition its consumer base into a new platform and processor architecture with the launch of Ryzen 7000 series processors codenamed Raphael. Based on the new AM5 LGA socket, these processors will come with up to 16 cores and 32 threads at the top-end configurations. Thanks to the latest round of rumors, we managed to find out just what TDP rating two SKUs will carry. According to a well-known leaker @graymon55, AMD is rating the 12-core SKU with a TDP of 105 Watts. On the other hand, the top-end 16-core 7000 series SKU replacing the current Ryzen 9 5950X will carry a large TDP of 170 Watts.

The 170 Watt TDP configuration will likely require better cooling efforts. AMD will probably advise users to invest in better cooling solutions, such as AIO liquid coolers or giant air coolers.

 

Sources: @greymon55 (Twitter), via VideoCardz

 

Maybe AMD also should make their desktop chips from Mobile parts? Or just use features from their laptop department? Because the AMD boys/girls may ask for it 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Yep. No baby cores for the next AMD flagship and increased TDP.

With AMD sheeple like this tree-hugging retard having a voice, we can expect more trash in the days ahead from the RGB Squad (RGB Squad: Red=AMD, Green=NVIDIA and Blue=Intel.) 

[Rage Set]

Getting there. A little better. I am going to run a memtest on it tomorrow but it "appears" super stable. 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

Getting there. A little better. I am going to run a memtest on it tomorrow but it "appears" super stable. 

That's looking pretty sweet, bro,

[johnksss]

New personal best on AIO.

[ryan]

heres my port royal also my best ever

 

its with older drivers because I game a little and they offer the best gaming performance. slight comprimise with benchmarks as you will see. also it could be the tweaking I did before was lost so I just overclocked with no tweaking, lost 70 points but big deal..

 

 

my cpu score is low because I underclocked it for gaming never hits 90c and allows me to game for a while. cpu and gpu are completely stable at 3.6ghz and 165/180mhz overclock on gpu

 

 

yeeeeeaaaa I beat 9000 with this crappy driver

[johnksss]

On 3/21/2022 at 11:28 PM, Mr. Fox said:

 

Feel free to try these memory settings and see how they work with your kit.

 

 

 

Are you able to get past that 1.435 volts using that software?

 

On 3/21/2022 at 11:28 PM, Mr. Fox said:

On 3/20/2022 at 8:51 PM, Mr. Fox said:

 

Oh, I figured out what was causing the high PCH temps. The default BIOS power management settings were causing it. My PCH is running 53°C with things that were set to "Disabled" changed to "Auto" now. My Gen4 NVMe SSD is not as fast, but I really don't care about that. It's still faster than a Gen3 NVMe and that was already faster than it needed to be. I saw both ASUS and MSI Z690 owners complaining about the same thing and having six NVMe SSDs on my system probably did not help matters. I found the solution in an MSI forum links on ASUS forums, LOL. That is like a 28-30°C reduction in PCH temps versus temps with the stock PCH cooler and default BIOS settings.

 

Below are the "adjusted" settings. Oddly enough, my DDR5 memory also runs a few degrees cooler now in a TM5 test and AIDA64 read/write/copy speeds were not affected by changing the settings to Auto. @johnksss

 

 

Hummm, mine is still sitting at default with a max of 3 drives, but I took two out for the time being. Still using the single fan though as the fan is for the ram.

 

On 3/20/2022 at 9:12 PM, Mr. Fox said:

Actually, the el cheapo PSU is 450W, which is more than enough for what I use it for. It is this one.

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/1HU-00D9-00187?Item=9SIBA1GH6W5118

 

It is a shame the Lamptron CF525 is hard to come by now. This one is 50W per channel, so almost as good.

 

http://www.lamptron.com/Products/fancontroller/83.html

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/222564369275?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28 

Love this controller! I had the 40W version, but when they came out with the 60W version I grabbed it as each of my fans can pull between 20W to 44W max depending on voltage coming from the PSU. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

Are you able to get past that 1.435 volts using that software?

I haven't tried to use the software to set it higher than that. I have set it higher in the BIOS, but haven't use that software for changing RAM voltage, only CPU voltage and core clocks. I should see if it is capped in the software. Have you tried, and if so was it limited?

 

Unrelated subject - I sure do LOVE this remote "Tuning Controller" control panel thing. It works excellent.

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I haven't tried to use the software to set it higher than that. I have set it higher in the BIOS, but haven't use that software for changing RAM voltage, only CPU voltage and core clocks. I should see if it is capped in the software. Have you tried, and if so was it limited?

 

Unrelated subject - I sure do LOVE this remote "Tuning Controller" control panel thing. It works excellent.

Mine is locked at 1.435V.

 

yes, that it does. Just wish you could do bclk and core at the same time.

 

Also to add. The software seems flakey. If you change performance core it changes 4 of the E cores to the same speed as the performance cores.

[Mr. Fox]

47 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Mine is locked at 1.435V.

 

yes, that it does. Just wish you could do bclk and core at the same time.

 

Also to add. The software seems flakey. If you change performance core it changes 4 of the E cores to the same speed as the performance cores.

I do not think the program was actually designed for Z690. Likewise, Dragon Ball works for realtime memory tweaks except when it doesn't. About 75% of the time Dragon Ball works. When it doesn't work, you can change the settings in the software, but they are not applied. 

 

MSI Center UWP bloatware is even more buggy and also screws everything up with e-cores. I have that bloated piece of crap utility installed on my disposable OS for testing and I do not hesitate to call it rubbish. It is not as bad as ASUS Armory Crate in terms of foolishly wasting system restores with worthless bloat running in the background, but it is still pretty poopy. I sure do wish that the OEMs would knock it off with all of the horrible Winduhz Store digital garbage. None of it is worth a damn. All they are accomplishing is demonstrating how incompetent they have become and making end users unhappy and frustrated about it in the process. They'd be smart to go back to making standalone x86 and x64 software utilities. The classic form of software development is far superior to the new UWP filth. Intel Control Center, XTU, NVIDIA Control Panel, Realtek Control Panel... all of the new stuff like that which is being distributed through Micro$lop's Store is totally junk.

 

 

[johnksss]

Yes, you are right about it not being for the Z690 so I can't totally be mad about that, but one needs to be careful when one does not release what the software is doing on newer platforms.

 

In other news. My Kingpin pump went out and this is my new card. It seems i have finally gotten a "God" roll on a card.

 

Also found a Hydrocopper water block which says it should be here later today....but that is suspect on the arrival time.

[Mr. Fox]

37 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Yes, you are right about it not being for the Z690 so I can't totally be mad about that, but one needs to be careful when one does not release what the software is doing on newer platforms.

 

In other news. My Kingpin pump went out and this is my new card. It seems i have finally gotten a "God" roll on a card.

 

Also found a Hydrocopper water block which says it should be here later today....but that is suspect on the arrival time.

Nice! Glad you got a good sample on the GPU replacement. 🙂 

 

I had trouble with EVGA Eleet X1 on Z590 as well. Apparently it works correctly with an 11th Gen CPU, but it is totally goofed up using an 10th Gen CPU on the Z590 board. Eleet X1 works perfectly for my Z490 Dark with the corresponding 10900K CPU mated with the proper chipset. Fortunately, we don't have to rely on software like a laptop jockey does. Except for some quick fine-tuning of settings that are already pretty much dialed in using the BIOS I don't use Windows software for CPU and memory overclocking. But, when it works it is nice/convenient.

 

I use Dragon Power and Dragon Ball and similar competitor's software mainly to view  what current BIOS settings are applied and for capturing those settings in screenshots that I save for future reference, etc. Most of the time I make the actual adjustment directly in the firmware.

[johnksss]

Why boot all the way to windows for that? You can see it without even leaving the bios? That was a feature I really missed the most.

[Mr. Fox]

So, I played around with Linux a little more. Installed 7 Windows games from Steam, chosen completely at random, and the only one that did not work was Gears 5. These are the only 7 I have tried and 6 out of 7 ain't bad. Bright Memory Infinite, Crysis Remastered, Death Stranding,  Doom Eternal, Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition and Quake 2 RTX all played well. Only Crysis Remastered had a low framerate for the quality of my hardware.

 

[Papusan]

12900KS will come at $220 Premium. A nice small sub 33% uplift in price point for new revamped features as Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (ETVB) technology + 1bin higher clock speed for the Baby cores. A great feature intended to stop the chips from become unstable once the chips run near or above Intel's 70C induced temp limit. At least the e-cores will run at its peak clock speed regardless of the new boost feature's temp limit, LOOL

 

Hope you'll get an good bin for that money and not only have to pay for the new features. No wonder Silicon lottery throw in the towel last year due Intel's new bin policy. They just couldn't compete.

 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i9-12900ks-available-at-newegg

 

Also nvidia want a bit more $$$ for their 3090 graphics. Open the gates for 2% more cores (12900KS also got sub 2% faster multicore boost over the regular K chips) and brand it it Ti. KS andTi letters is today's golden milkcow.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-suprim-x-leaked-3-5-slot-design-with-16-pin-connector-and-480w-tdp 

 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

12900KS will come at $220 Premium. A nice small sub 33% uplift in price point for new revamped features as Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (ETVB) technology + 1bin higher clock speed for the Baby cores. A great feature intended to stop the chips from become unstable once the chips run near or above Intel's 70C induced temp limit. At least the e-cores will run at its peak clock speed regardless of the new boost feature's temp limit, LOOL

 

Hope you'll get an good bin for that money and not only have to pay for the new features. No wonder Silicon lottery throw in the towel last year due Intel's new bin policy. They just couldn't compete.

 

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i9-12900ks-available-at-newegg

 

Also nvidia want a bit more $$$ for their 3090 graphics. Open the gates for 2% more cores (12900KS also got sub 2% faster multicore boost over the regular K chips) and brand it it Ti. KS andTi letters is today's golden milkcow.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-suprim-x-leaked-3-5-slot-design-with-16-pin-connector-and-480w-tdp 

 

If there was a "guarantee" that you would get a better bin than almost any 12900K anyone has ever seen, I would be willing to pay the extra $200 for a 12900KS. But, a 100MHz bump for $200 is stupid. It would only make sense if you had an abnormally poor quality 12900K, Otherwise, I would save the $200 and give a lesser quality CPU more voltage.

[Papusan]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

If there was a "guarantee" that you would get a better bin than almost any 12900K anyone has ever seen, I would be willing to pay the extra $200 for a 12900KS. But, a 100MHz bump for $200 is stupid. It would only make sense if you had an abnormally poor quality 12900K, Otherwise, I would save the $200 and give a lesser quality CPU more voltage.

People will focus on the 3 bin uplift for the single core. This is what Intel promote or point out for saying this is worlds most powerful gaming chips. I still can't forget Frank Azor's same nice worlds... People will fast forget that small 100MHz bump when they see the nice looking 5.5GHz number🙂 Marketing will always beat common sense.

 

All depends on where Intel will put lowest SP rating for the P-cores. If they put the lower thier KS chips near the average K chips this means some will get a bad bin. But they have added Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (ETVB) technology so..... People will still get a taste of that 5.5 single core boost 🙂

 

[Mr. Fox]

51 minutes ago, Papusan said:

People will still get a taste of that 5.5 single core boost 🙂

And, the exceptionally ignorant ones will actually care about it rather than focusing on multi-core capabilities.

[Tenoroon]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

People will focus on the 3 bin uplift for the single core. This is what Intel promote or point out for saying this is worlds most powerful gaming chips. I still can't forget Frank Azor's same nice worlds... People will fast forget that small 100MHz bump when they see the nice looking 5.5GHz number🙂 Marketing will always beat common sense.

 

All depends on where Intel will put lowest SP rating for the P-cores. If they put the lower thier KS chips near the average K chips this means some will get a bad bin. But they have added Enhanced Thermal Velocity Boost (ETVB) technology so..... People will still get a taste of that 5.5 single core boost 🙂

 

Hahahaha, included the 51m on my paper to show how mainstream manufactures have failed to deliver on a "truly upgradeable" performance laptop. I'll be honest, my paper bashed Dell/Alienware a lot, but its deserved as a lot of their problems fit into my topic well.