*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[johnksss]

So, went to MC tonight to pick up a few things and found out that our MC will in fact replace a delidded cpu if you have accidental care. I also was told ours is pretty lenient and flexible when it comes to their warranty and replacements on "certain" parts. And that's about all I'm going to say on that front.🤣

Grabbed a turd and it's going back in the morning though. I should have known better. SP101. The guy that sold it to me said report back with it's rating as a few of them were a bit curious about the hole SP rating system.

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, johnksss said:

So, went to MC tonight to pick up a few things and found out that our MC will in fact replace a delidded cpu if you have accidental care. I also was told ours is pretty lenient and flexible when it comes to their warranty and replacements on "certain" parts. And that's about all I'm going to say on that front.🤣

Grabbed a turd and it's going back in the morning though. I should have known better. SP101. The guy that sold it to me said report back with it's rating as a few of them were a bit curious about the shole SP rating system.

That is awesome news about the way MC takes care of customers the right way. Such a rare thing in today's world.

 

Sad news that you drew another dud from the lottery. 14900K and 14900KS have both been a losing battle for many.

 

My SP117 13900KS should be what an average 14900KS looks like. I wish I had three of these.

 

The only excellent LGA 1700 CPUs I have purchased were purchased used from someone that found a better sample and sold me the CPU their better one replaced.
 

[johnksss]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That is awesome news about the way MC takes care of customers the right way. Such a rare thing in today's world.

 

Sad news that you drew another dud from the lottery. 14900K and 14900KS have both been a losing battle for many.

 

My SP117 13900KS should be what an average 14900KS looks like. I wish I had three of these.

 

The only excellent LGA 1700 CPUs I have purchased were purchased used from something that found a better sample and sold me the one their better one replaced.
 

That's a nice little chip right there. How much?

 

I was trying to new random batch that I hadn't seen yet. Should have just grabbed another one from the batch identical to mine, but I think I'm just going to keep my 105 and send the 13900K (SP112) back to the store. Because this one can boot 9K memory. Can run 6Ghz all cores with chiller. And cost less at 669.99 vs 699.99.

[Mr. Fox]

3 minutes ago, johnksss said:

That's a nice little chip right there. How much?

 

I was trying to new random batch that I hadn't seen yet. Should have just grabbed another one from the batch identical to mine, but I think I'm just going to keep my 105 and send the 13900K (SP112) back to the store. Because this one can boot 9K memory. Can run 6Ghz all cores with chiller. And cost less at 669.99 vs 699.99.

Thank you. It is a really great one. I gave like $600 for it on OC.net a few months ago.

 

You (we all) need a 14900KS like the one in this guys signature. This should be normal for a "Special Edition" not a special one. Normal is not special.

 

[johnksss]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I gave like $600 for it on OC.net a few months ago.

 

You (we all) need a 14900KS like the one in this guys signature. This should be normal for a "Special Edition" not a special one. Normal is not special.

 

Well, i'm about 3 points shy of him so i'm getting closer. 😁

 

In other news. I got an tip adapter for my dell version of the 780W Eurocom PSU and now can run all sorts of other laptops using different adapter tips like we talked about the other night.

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Well, i'm about 3 points shy of him so i'm getting closer. 😁

 

In other news. I got an tip adapter for my dell version of the 780W Eurocom PSU and now can run all sorts of other laptops using different adapter tips like we talked about the other night.

Well that will certainly come in handy. That 780W Eurocom PSU was one of the best "upgrades" I ever got for a laptop.

 

It seems like it is primarily really crummy E-cores that are ruining most 14900K/KS. I don't understand why so many of them have absolutely horrible E-core silicon quality. That was not nearly as much of a problem with 13900KS. A fair number of them have pretty decent P-cores.

[johnksss]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well that will certainly come in handy. That 780W Eurocom PSU was one of the best "upgrades" I ever got for a laptop.

 

It seems like it is primarily really crummy E-cores that are ruining most 14900K/KS. I don't understand why so many of them have absolutely horrible E-core silicon quality. That was not nearly as much of a problem with 13900KS.

I have no clue either. I mean I can get them to run at 4.8Ghz,  but it sure takes a lot of voltage to do so and it's still not always stable. I'll have to do some more investigating later.

 

Yep. Loved that 780W PSU. I have 2 of them. And now they can still be used! That's a game changer for me as they have been sitting around collecting dust for the last 5 years or so. Just wish their display was more accurate though. 🤬

[Papusan]

On 4/5/2024 at 9:01 AM, Mr. Fox said:

It seems like it is primarily really crummy E-cores that are ruining most 14900K/KS. I don't understand why so many of them have absolutely horrible E-core silicon quality. That was not nearly as much of a problem with 13900KS. A fair number of them have pretty decent P-cores.

 

Quite easy to understand.... Intel binned for the P-core 6.2 GHz boost target. Same was it when they binned (6.0 GHz) for the 14900K. This way (all boys and girls) could see the +6.0GHz target in brief moments. Just pump in more voltage so all can enjoy "words fastest" Cpu.

 

Same as their first gen i9 mobile scam with i9-8950HK with "Thermal Velocity Boost" which allows one core to boost to 4.8 GHz (+200 MHz) as long as the CPU temperature was below 50°C.

 

Big clocks for burst loads. Can't do that with E-cores. So why should they bother? Even with trash E-cores in the KS, they all could get the 100MHz bump over vanilla 14900K. So Intel "forgot" to bin the whole chips.

 

 

Edit.

 

 

[Papusan]

LOOL. Yup, we are come to April 7. Not the fools day. Anyway... Known that RGB can screw up your memory sticks firmware. Let the (gamer) kids have more of the bling bling. They got what they wanted🤮🤮🤮 Regardless whats the problem (dust) or real... The (a)RGB race need to be stopped.

Gamers report memory RGB lights are damaging GPU backplates

A bling-bling UV burn? LOOOL

 

 

 

 

Todays HW/Software/Design engineers and gamer kids....

 

Edit. We can continue talk about disgusting. I'm not keen jump on any $5000 USD e-waste. Nope. Not in Hell.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

Edit. We can continue talk about disgusting. I'm not keen jump on any $5000 USD e-waste. Nope. Not in Hell.

Anyone stupid enough to pay $5000 for a turdbook deserves disgusting trash as a just reward for their abject stupidity. It doesn't get any dumber that that. I left a comment there to that effect as well.

[Raiderman]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

LOOL. Yup, we are come to April 7. Not the fools day. Anyway... Known that RGB can screw up your memory sticks firmware. Let the (gamer) kids have more of the bling bling. They got what they wanted🤮🤮🤮 Regardless whats the problem (dust) or real... The (a)RGB race need to be stopped.

Gamers report memory RGB lights are damaging GPU backplates

A bling-bling UV burn? LOOOL

 

 

 

 

Todays HW/Software/Design engineers and gamer kids....

 

Edit. We can continue talk about disgusting. I'm not keen jump on any $5000 USD e-waste. Nope. Not in Hell.

Funny you post this now. Yesterday my bling bling stopped working in my gpu water block. I like the white or red light, so I will purchase a replacement from Ali express for $6.

[electrosoft]

When some of the mainstream YTers try to say faster memory is really a waste and no real gains, then you get B4B who actually does some tuning comparing 6000 vs 8600 for gaming.

 

This is right along the lines of the gains I saw 6000 vs 8000 tuned on my 13900KS + MSI Z790i Edge. The gains are real and substantial especially in WoW.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

When some of the mainstream YTers try to say faster memory is really a waste and no real gains, then you get B4B who actually does some tuning comparing 6000 vs 8600 for gaming.

 

This is right along the lines of the gains I saw 6000 vs 8000 tuned on my 13900KS + MSI Z790i Edge. The gains are real and substantial especially in WoW.

 

 

They have to spread misinformation. How else can they legitimize mediocrity? 🤣

[Mr. Fox]

Interesting trend. This customer must be letting his GPUs sag with no support.

 

 

[Papusan]

57 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Interesting trend. This customer must be letting his GPUs sag with no support.

 

 

 

Hmmm. This is not big cards. Not very heavy or very long cards. I never use sag-bracket on my older but still big cards when I run them. I only use support stick for the 4090. Maybe some don't bother screw the cards bracket to the I/O slots. They are more like dangling in the boards Pcie slot. Thats worse of a sin🙂

[chew]

On 4/4/2024 at 3:03 AM, Papusan said:

 

You stilll need fix that single core mem score🙂 Here's two from AMD. And the G. Skill competition for 2024 haven't really started.

 

https://browser.geekbench.com/v3/cpu/9057788

 

https://browser.geekbench.com/v3/cpu/9075746

 

AMD do it good in older Geekbench 3 but wish they could do it better in the other +50 2d and 3D benches on hwbot. But, huhhh. Better be good in one thing than nothing.

 

It's very difficult to be top one in all and everything. Even less so if some of the subtests favor the other brands hardware. But that's life. In the most 🙂

 

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/750797327874129933/1226635512387735562/VID_20240407_164718190.mp4?ex=66257c57&is=66130757&hm=b2065b506448ed369b348f504376e5c0190610e989fd49672dc6cfa2a639f9d1&

 

20K and 17300 enough for you?

 

 

 

[Papusan]

@Mr. Fox How is Asus quality? Or better say whats wrong with Asus? Does Asus sucks? Is this the normal you get from them all time? If you have read my older posts... Asus is one of the very few AIBs that offer halfmade vram colers  that cover half of the vram chips. Also there you see cost saving on their best flagship models. And this also apply many older Asus models. Awful (engineering) decisions only with the intent of cost savings.

 

 

Whats the point reuse the massive Asus 4090 cooler for their weaker 4080 cards when the Asus quality sucks? And the 4080 die is rotated vs 4090 so the big cold plate for the 4090 cooler barely fits the die. At least do a proper thermal paste job. Hmmm. Asus on it once again.

 

And we can only advise Asus to tighten up its quality management a little more, because I had to give my RTX 4090 Strix a new paste because the old one had completely bled out. So it's anything but an isolated case, but rather an unnecessary cost-down on such expensive cards.

 

Asus GeForce RTX 4080 TUF Gaming with serial error? Built-in hotspot ex works, material analysis and rescue

 

 

 

 

 

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Intel offer more than trash binned "Special Edition" 14900KS chips. 

 

This below is my comment/reply on OC.net

 

We may see new bios (new microcode) and drivers faster than you think from Intel. This below doesn't look good. A good advice... Maybe try out with different microcodes. Worth test it if you have problems. @safedisk any comments on this? Thanks.

In response to ZDNet Korea's inquiry about whether Intel was aware of the problem, Intel responded, "Intel is aware of problems that occur when executing certain tasks on 13th and 14th generation core processors for desktop PCs, and is analyzing them with major affiliates."

Intel 13th and 14th generation CPUs, game forced shutdown issues'
More than 10 people a day come to the center and ask for exchange... Even if there is no problem, "Please change it"

ZDNet Korea

In response to ZDNet Korea's inquiry about whether Intel was aware of the problem, Intel responded, "Intel is aware of problems that occur when executing certain tasks on 13th and 14th generation core processors for desktop PCs, and is analyzing them with major affiliates."

 

See also..... Weird problems suddenly out of the blue. All this happening now is probably a nasty mess from Intel and their trash partner Microsoft.

 

 

 @chew great GB3 results 🙂

[Mr. Fox]

This is a cool project. Will be interesting to see how it turns out. Would like to see an ATX version.

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

This below is my comment/reply on OC.net

 

We may see new bios (new microcode) and drivers faster than you think from Intel. This below doesn't look good. A good advice... Maybe try out with different microcodes. Worth test it if you have problems. @safedisk any comments on this? Thanks.

 

Got answer back from @safedisk But not for all my questions.

 

As you can see... New/Newer doesn't always mean better @Mr. Fox @Rage Set

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-asus-strix-maximus-z790-owners-thread.1800191/post-29317351

[Reciever]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is a cool project. Will be interesting to see how it turns out. Would like to see an ATX version.

 

 

Hell yeah, thats lovely

[Raiderman]

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Interesting trend. This customer must be letting his GPUs sag with no support.

 

 

Don't have to worry about sag if you slap a waterblock on it 🤣

[Mr. Fox]

15 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Don't have to worry about sag if you slap a waterblock on it 🤣

It can certainly help with these monstrous air coolers we are seeing. But, that might depend on which waterblock though. The Kingpin, Optimus and EK dual-sided (active backplate cooling) waterblocks are extremely heavy compared to an air cooler. Also, if you have an older Gigabutt GPU with the big notch cut out on the end of the PCIe connector that creates a weak point that requires special caution because of their inherent design flaw. The new Gigabutt design (which is normal compared to competitors) should not be any different than other brands.

[ryan]

anyone here know the ETA on steel nomad benchmark? going to be like timespy which is pretty exciting, it will be interesting to see what games in the future will look like and how they will perform. going to get it day one.

 

also going all out on a 5090 setup, decided to do this because i'll plan on leaving it as is for 5 years then the return will be pretty great. by the time 5 years has passed laptops will have caught up to the 5090. if they are like pascal gen i'll have made a big mistake

[Papusan]

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

It can certainly help with these monstrous air coolers we are seeing. But, that might depend on which waterblock though. The Kingpin, Optimus and EK dual-sided (active backplate cooling) waterblocks are extremely heavy compared to an air cooler. Also, if you have an older Gigabutt GPU with the big notch cut out on the end of the PCIe connector that creates a weak point that requires special caution because of their inherent design flaw. The new Gigabutt design (which is normal compared to competitors) should not be any different than other brands.

 

Spot on. Many cards with full cover water block will weight more than 2Kg. Shorter card... Yes but still a heavy mass dangling from the PCIe slot. 

 

Arctic Liquid Freezer III AIO Review: To put it bluntly, the Liquid Freezer III is unimpressive

Got 2.5 stars from Tomshardware. 

After installing and testing models in three different sizes, I can’t recommend Arctic’s Liquid Freezer III AIOs.

 

My reply in the comment section.... "Who's right... Your or their reviews? Can it be a faulty product you got for the review? Thanks

[Reciever]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Spot on. Many cards with full cover water block will weight more than 2Kg. Shorter card... Yes but still a heavy mass dangling from the PCIe slot. 

 

Arctic Liquid Freezer III AIO Review: To put it bluntly, the Liquid Freezer III is unimpressive

Got 2.5 stars from Tomshardware. 

After installing and testing models in three different sizes, I can’t recommend Arctic’s Liquid Freezer III AIOs.

 

My reply in the comment section.... "Who's right... Your or their reviews? Can it be a faulty product you got for the review? Thanks

 

Well its worth investigating to determine if it was a faulty unit (which is also a concern) or faulty process. Doesnt seem like they are going to invest more time into it though.