*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

Bro Fox. What type/brand flow and temp sensor meter do you have for your pc's? Thanks.

Igorslab have tested a couple of them and wasn't happy with the results (the results was all over the place - none of them was especially accurate). But he liked the newer Aqua Computer high flow NEXT.  

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Bro Fox. What type/brand flow and temp sensor meter do you have for your pc's? Thanks.

Igorslab have tested a couple of them and wasn't happy with the results (the results was all over the place - none of them was especially accurate). But he liked the newer Aqua Computer high flow NEXT.  

I have this one. I like it. It works well. It has an alarm that goes off if the water flow drops below a certain volume. If I turn off the PSU for my pumps and fans when I go away for a business trip and forget to turn the PSU back on it starts beeping to alert me. I do not use any software with it. I use it as a stand-alone product. No need for added bloat. It includes a cable to connect to a motherboard sensor header, but I also do not use that. No need for it. I can see what I need to know looking at the LCD screen.

 

Igor tested the TF1. I have the TF2. Not sure what the differences are. AquaFlow makes nice products but I find them usually grossly overpriced and do not buy them for that reason. Their parts are also seldom available in the US and I have to order from Germany and that adds cost and complications that are best avoided if possible.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Construction-Monitoring-Temperature-CL-W275-CU00SW/dp/B08B3S7L3Q

 

[Papusan]

36 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have this one. I like it. It works well. It has an alarm that goes off if the water flow drops below a certain volume. If I turn off the PSU for my pumps and fans and forget to turn them back on it starts beeping to alert me. I do not use any software with it. I use it as a stand-alone product. No need for added bloat. It includes a cable to connect to a motherboard sensor header, but I also do not use that. No need for it. I can see what I need to know looking at the LCD screen.

 

Igor tested thw TF1. I have the TF2. Not sure what the differences are.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Construction-Monitoring-Temperature-CL-W275-CU00SW/dp/B08B3S7L3Q

 

Thank you 🙂 They have it here home. But at whopping...

 

Then add shipping on top. So only 95$ here home. Yep, near 100$. 

 

Here's one more disgusting price...  Only 18$ for a single fan power cable. And God forbid if you only order this one. You have to pay +7$ for shipping on top 🙂 Yep, only 25$ for a cable if you are in need for one. Hail Norway!

 

 

We can talk about more disgusting while we are at it...

 

Windows 11 Update Kills Undervolting and Overvolting on MSI Boards
https://notebooktalk.net/topic/168-all-about-windows-11-news-and-announcements/?do=findComment&comment=13826

[Mr. Fox]

Here is a SK Hynix A-die memory overclock at 8500, LOL. Crazy.

 

https://valid.x86.fr/lcqf0f

[Tenoroon]

Attempt #2 of the paperclip mod was a success. I did what @Mr. Foxsuggested and it worked well. The max temp I am getting now in my hot room is about 79-80C (rarely hits 80C though.) Before that, it would climb up to 86-87C, which is a bit too hot for my tastes. 

I have undervolted it to about 0.95 volts, and have done so ever since I moved my OS install over and installed drivers as I know these 1080s can be undervolted quite a bit. Its running at 1733mhz right now, but I will really play around with it once I have more time.

Overall though, this system has been pretty good. Instead of worrying about CPU temps like the P870DM, I now more worry about GPU temps, which are doing alright now. It's not too loud, I wish it were quieter, but I lived with the Alienware, and I don't mind the sound as I usually have headphones on. The screen is very nice, and the keyboard feels great compared to the messed up one  of the P870. Overall a decent system, the only thing holding it back is the lackluster GPU cooling, but I believe slapping a 190w 1080 and calling it a day is part of the problem lol. (I will say, it has surprised me how the 1080 doesn't overload the heatsink despite the size of the heatsink.) 

[Papusan]

Look from 10:00 and you may see why bling bling is a bad thing for you 🙂 Do yoo like bling bling bro Fox in same way as me? DazMode have been in the cooling business a long time. And he also mean this modern fancy awful tech shouldn't be placed everywhere in your pc. I think he even hate it in same way as me, HaHa

 

 

 

 

Yep,, he hate bling bling. From 19:40 No ligthts, period, LOOL

 

[tps3443]

23 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

I like it. It's a KPE 3090 on steroids and better binned than my KPE 3090.

 

Sold my KPE 3090 on ebay for $2800. Bought it originally direct from EVGA for $1999.

Bought the KPE 3090ti for $2499.99 but after contacting EVGA CS a few times after the price drop to $1999.99 at the time they refunded me the $500 difference PLUS the associates code 3% on top making it $1924.99 so I was ok with that since they didn't have to. That included the 1600w PSU which I actually needed as my best PSU was a 1000w Seasonic and a 850w EVGA which both lacked the PCIe ports I needed.

 

Basically an upgrade from my KPE 3090 to a 3090ti, plus a bit back AND 1 600w PSU.

 

I'm content and the WoW Beta and FO76 aren't even stressing it at 4k. Actually FO76 doesn't even push it above 150w and Blizzard seems to have optimized their code finally which is nice but we will see with the final launch.

 

With all the EVGA/Nvidia problems along with my two main games having no problems at 4k with it I'm definitely skipping the 5000 series.

 

Downside of course is if you want to block it that's a no go. 🙂

 

I wouldn't block it, but after having a FTW 3090ti in my case for a week, I will never put a furnace of that level inside a cased system ever again. In the future it will always be hybrids or a potential block.

 

 

 

 

 

How does the memory overclock? 

[Ashtrix]

Nvidia shafted Ampere owners big time and new owners at the same time as well lol.

 

 

Quick takeaways - Spec sheet link

 

TSMC 4N not 5nm

500W is confirmed

NVENC is barely improved, Encoder (now 8th gen) adds AV1 for those streamers and Decoder is same as 5th gen version.

DLSS 3.x is only for RTX40 series from the looks of it. Not confirmed yet but the spec sheet clearly says so shafted hard on Ampere owners. RIP I guess, anyways I never liked this upscaling nonsense esp it looks worse in 1080P and 1440P, and FSR2.0 is going forward very well Ironic isnt it ? Nvidia owners relying on AMD's FSR2.0 more than the DLSS, I bet DLSS2.x is now EOL. Also Jensen says DLSS 3.x uses Ada Lovelace's new OFA (Optical Flow Accelerator) but when showing the perf charts the OFA exists in Ampere too here below. As I said earlier this trash company is becoming like Apple.

 

 

Pricing is horrendous.

 

They jacked up a LOT.

 

RTX4090 $1600 24GB G6X AD102 (looks like it has NVLink on the side not the top) , $100 increase over 3090. 2X Raster over 3090Ti, 4X in RT, 450W

RTX4080 $1200 16GB G6X AD103 gimped new silicon vs Ampere lineup but lets call it real xx80. 450W again, 2X Raster over 3080Ti, 4X in RT, 320W

RTX4080 $900 12GB AD104 gimped hard fake xx80 lol, 4070 rebrand. 285W. Probably similar perf as above no idea as they say it's same per their slides.

 

 

Performance increase in Raster is what I was after and it looks good but also kinda expected however pricing is also too high now, AIB cards will add $100-200 extra over that so an xx80 card will go up-to $1000 start to $1300+ No wonder EVGA left this is looking ridiculous pricing they cannot stay alive and mint money from this. At this rate RTX5000 Blackwell will have even more worst pricing. By 2030 Great Reset things will become so worse on all aspects and PC DIY might even look like some Luxury 6 digit car ownership. Unfortunate BS tbh.

 

Also are the new games even worth ? With Socio political nonsense not to me (GTA VI plotline got leaked and if that's true it's horrible propaganda, I hated that Mafia 3 garbage for this reason). I'm done stick with good old games. At best maybe 1 to 5 games in 2 - 3 years worth playing I do not have much hope in this industry, esp with that new GaaS model that every one wants on top.

 

RTX30 series will co-exist with these but 3080 will be gone I think only 3060 starting again at $329 WTF lol, there's no 4060 so Ngreedia Green Goblin is milking to death. Awful business.

 

You know AMD can axe Nvidia totally by giving their cards at reduced prices by at-least $250 variance, plus use their open source FSR2.x and improve on it and give more support for ROCM then Nvidia's CUDA can be kicked to the curb for good. But I really do not think they will reduce price even if that would make them super popular and get their marketshare. I hope for the best else the future PC DIY looking much much worse for Tech that deprecates super fast.

[cylix]

What a bunch of scammers are NVidia!! Selling the 4070 as a 4080.

Didnt they get the memo that ETH merged and mining is useless? What are this prices??

NVIDIA is the New Apple, i hope everybody boycotts this company. I for one will go 100% team red, Fuck them..

 

And not forget the marketing bullshit of dlss 3x going only on the new 4x  furnaces. ..

[electrosoft]

54 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

Nvidia shafted Ampere owners big time and new owners at the same time as well lol.

 

 

Quick takeaways - Spec sheet link

 

TSMC 4N not 5nm

500W is confirmed

NVENC is barely improved, Encoder (now 8th gen) adds AV1 for those streamers and Decoder is same as 5th gen version.

DLSS 3.x is only for RTX40 series from the looks of it. Not confirmed yet but the spec sheet clearly says so shafted hard on Ampere owners. RIP I guess, anyways I never liked this upscaling nonsense esp it looks worse in 1080P and 1440P, and FSR2.0 is going forward very well Ironic isnt it ? Nvidia owners relying on AMD's FSR2.0 more than the DLSS, I bet DLSS2.x is now EOL. Also Jensen says DLSS 3.x uses Ada Lovelace's new OFA (Optical Flow Accelerator) but when showing the perf charts the OFA exists in Ampere too here below. As I said earlier this trash company is becoming like Apple.

 

 

Pricing is horrendous.

 

They jacked up a LOT.

 

RTX4090 $1600 24GB G6X AD102 (looks like it has NVLink on the side not the top) , $100 increase over 3090. 2X Raster over 3090Ti, 4X in RT, 450W

RTX4080 $1200 16GB G6X AD103 gimped new silicon vs Ampere lineup but lets call it real xx80. 450W again, 2X Raster over 3080Ti, 4X in RT, 320W

RTX4080 $900 12GB AD104 gimped hard fake xx80 lol, 4070 rebrand. 285W. Probably similar perf as above no idea as they say it's same per their slides.

 

 

Performance increase in Raster is what I was after and it looks good but also kinda expected however pricing is also too high now, AIB cards will add $100-200 extra over that so an xx80 card will go up-to $1000 start to $1300+ No wonder EVGA left this is looking ridiculous pricing they cannot stay alive and mint money from this. At this rate RTX5000 Blackwell will have even more worst pricing. By 2030 Great Reset things will become so worse on all aspects and PC DIY might even look like some Luxury 6 digit car ownership. Unfortunate BS tbh.

 

Also are the new games even worth ? With Socio political nonsense not to me (GTA VI plotline got leaked and if that's true it's horrible propaganda, I hated that Mafia 3 garbage for this reason). I'm done stick with good old games. At best maybe 1 to 5 games in 2 - 3 years worth playing I do not have much hope in this industry, esp with that new GaaS model that every one wants on top.

 

RTX30 series will co-exist with these but 3080 will be gone I think only 3060 starting again at $329 WTF lol, there's no 4060 so Ngreedia Green Goblin is milking to death. Awful business.

 

You know AMD can axe Nvidia totally by giving their cards at reduced prices by at-least $250 variance, plus use their open source FSR2.x and improve on it and give more support for ROCM then Nvidia's CUDA can be kicked to the curb for good. But I really do not think they will reduce price even if that would make them super popular and get their marketshare. I hope for the best else the future PC DIY looking much much worse for Tech that deprecates super fast.

 

I'm definitely waiting to see what AMD has to offer both CPU and GPU before I would make any kind of moves

I've never been a fan of nor will I ever use DLSS.

I do like RT but WoW DF beta has kept it to just shadows like before and cleaned up their code base

FO76 doesn't even push my 3090ti above 150w full 4k everything to ultra

We knew the price hike was coming but the major scum move is introducing some oddly tiered 3080 w/ cut down cores and less memory and charging $900.......yeah we can all spot what should have been the $599 3070....

I like their charts where they are pressing HARD to show RT/DLSS gains as rasterization gains (which we know are being shown in their best light) are......ok. You will most likely need the full fat 3080 16gb and above to beat a 3090ti outright.

 

Like you said, this is AMD's time to strike.

 

I expect if AMD comes out with performance at or slightly greater than Nvidia in Rasterization and other areas that we will get the 4090ti sooner than later.

 

With EVGA out of the picture, my enthusiasm for the 4000 series has dropped massively. As for the other AIBs, the only card so far that looks compelling is the Colorful Neptune 360mm AIO. All of the others are massive case thermonuclear reactors. MSI has an AIO model but it has a 240mm.....ok.....

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

We knew the price hike was coming but the major scum move is introducing some oddly tiered 3080 w/ cut down cores and less memory and charging $900.......

Look at this... The cheaper RTX 4080 ($899) is a bit more modest, with 12GB of GDDR6X memory and a 2.31GHz base clock speed. Still, it promises more than twice the speed of its predecessor, and an upgraded 16GB RTX 4080 ($1,199) gives customers the best of both worlds.

 

What do they compare the new scam with? 3070 Ti or 3080@12GB cards ? Will be fun to see if the new castrated 4080 will perform over the double vs 3080 performance. What's your guess on this? What Nvidia have done with the 4080 branding name is disgusting. Nothing different than what they did for the laptop-jockey's with Max-Q mobile graphics.

 

RTX 40-series is much more expensive

Now for some bad news. Worries about even-higher price points for the RTX 40-series proved accurate. The RTX 4090 starts at $1,599, a $99 premium over the RTX 3090. The 16GB GeForce RTX 4080 costs $1,199, the same price as the RTX 3080 Ti and an astonishing $400 more than the $700 RTX 3080. Finally, the mysterious 12GB RTX 4080 starts at $899, a $200 increase over its predecessor.

 

4080@16GB now with Ti prices is awful. And a real 4080 card at $1200 is disgusting. And the reason they added $100 for the 4090 was to make space for coming 4080 Ti (Super) cards).

 

Hope AMD can do something with this. 

[cylix]

5 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

4080@16GB now with Ti prices is awful. And a real 4080 card at $1200 is disgusting.

 

Hope AMD can do something with this. 

 and that 1200 $ is FE price, the partners will have to charge 100-200 extra and the Shops will have aswell their cut..so a partner board will be around 1400 1500 Dollar.

Incredible what a bunch of snakes Nvidia are, now everybody understands EVGAs move...

[Papusan]

10 minutes ago, cylix said:

 and that 1200 $ is FE price, the partners will have to charge 100-200 extra and the Shops will have aswell their cut..so a partner board will be around 1400 1500 Dollar.

Incredible what a bunch of snakes Nvidia are, now everybody understands EVGAs move...

This means a 16GB GeForce RTX 4080 AIB card will have an MSRP near or +1300$. Almost mining prices for a simple xx80 card. Thats perverse. 

 

I expect nvidia with this will try to grab more market shares for their own brand as Founders Edition cards. No in Hell the AIB partners is able to sell loads of new overpriced cards if the gamer kids can just grab it cheaper from Nvidia. Nvidia want to get rid of their partners and sell most cards themself.

[cylix]

Exactly, and now there are no miners in sight to buy  at this prices, they are out of the equation. I dont see so many kids with deep pockets to replace all that miners and scalpers like in the past. I really dont know what will AIB partners do, they are already selling 30xx at a loss..

 

LE: We are in a recession, people dont have money to pay the bills, rent and food and they jack up the prices like this..

 

[Clamibot]

If these prices I'm seeing are really the prices Nvidia is going to charge for their new cards, not many people are going to buy them. These are absolutely INSANE prices for graphics cards. We're no longer through the roof, the prices are through the sky now!

 

The prices needed to go down, not up. Prices were already way too high before, and they decided to be a douche and jack up prices even more. Not many people are going to be able to afford next gen GPUs by the look of it.  Good job Nvidia on pricing out your consumer base.🤣 You won't get a lot of sales comparatively speaking since low margin, high volume is where the money is at.

 

I can't wait for integrated graphics to become powerful enough to meet my needs. I'll pass on ridiculously overpriced dGPUs.

 

Look, I get the point of a business is to make money, but enough is enough. There is such a thing as wanting too much money.

[electrosoft]

32 minutes ago, Papusan said:

This means a 16GB GeForce RTX 4080 AIB card will have an MSRP near or +1300$. Almost mining prices for a simple xx80 card. Thats perverse. 

 

I expect nvidia with this will try to grab more market shares for their own brand as Founders Edition cards. No in Hell the AIB partners is able to sell loads of new overpriced cards if the gamer kids can just grab it cheaper from Nvidia. Nvidia want to get rid of their partners and sell most cards themself.

 

This.

 

Nvidia has so many other markets captured outside of consumer cards that we slowly see them taking control of the consumer markets now with their fixed AIB pricing while also offering their own cards too.

 

As AIB pricing and FE pricing slowly inch towards each other (IE, raw GPU/Mem fabs vs full on the shelf FE products), AIBs will have to jack up their prices to remain profitable to an extent that it makes no sense to spend 10-20% more for their model when you can grab an Nvidia model for much less.

 

Next step is for Nvidia to prioritize allotments to their own products and dole out what's left to AIBs.

 

EVGA had the right idea and as numerous charts have shown, AIB profits plummet year after year while Nvidia's rise.

 

If Nvidia wants full vertical control this is the right way to achieve it. Not outright ban AIBs but focus on their own FEs and make AIB pricing unappealing till they start to jump ship due to pricing and other practices that result in at best razor thin margins at worst losses.

 

If you aren't an AMD fan, now is the time to start putting them on your radar along with backing Intel. For family and friends build outs I think I am going to start using them instead when able.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DISCLAIMER: If EVGA comes back to Nvidia, all bravado and chest pumping is potentially  null and void... 😁

 

 

 

[Reciever]

Well if amd follows suit then my outlook on anything new will be locked into an disinterested state regardless of vendor, I'll start looking at old stuff for some fun. 

 

Though I already am I guess :/ lol

[Talon]

I'm excited and annoyed at the same time with this launch. The prices are pretty crazy considering the market were in post crypto and free money boom. At the same time I paid more for both my 3090 KPE and 3090 Ti FTW3. I expect though that means my AIB card will be more expensive and unfortunately now I can't go with EVGA. I really want an answer on what Nvidia plans to do with DLSS 2.0 supported cards now that it seems 3.0 is 40 series exclusive as I use DLSS 2.0 whenever supported. If they pull some shit like ending 2.0 and therefore 20/30 series cards support going forward in new games, I am going to heavily look towards AMD because that is a total dick move and a carpet pull for sure. 

 

If I grab a card at launch it will be a 4090 Strix or similar model. 

[cylix]

14 minutes ago, Reciever said:

Well if amd follows suit then my outlook on anything new will be locked into an disinterested state regardless of vendor, I'll start looking at old stuff for some fun. 

 

Though I already am I guess 😕 lol

Well prices for the new Zens just appeard on one French website and they dont look good.. Over 700 euros for a 7900x😢😢

 

 

[Reciever]

4 minutes ago, cylix said:

Well prices for the new Zens just appeard on one French website and they dont look good.. Over 700 euros for a 7900x😢😢

 

 

Well then, I am glad that my current hardware gets me across the finish line lol

[Papusan]

58 minutes ago, cylix said:

Well prices for the new Zens just appeard on one French website and they dont look good.. Over 700 euros for a 7900x😢😢

 

 

From before AMD prioritized Ryzen chips over graphics due more profits from same silicon. So AMDs coming Radeon graphics cards has to be priced on a certain level to make it profitable.  And newer AM5 motherboards will be damn expensive as well. And even worse in Europe due their massive love for taxes. At least DDR5 will stabilize at slightly lower prices than before. But a brand new AM5 platform will be expensive. This on top of the disgusting prices from Nvidia’s new gen graphics. It will be very expensive being an gamer kid. 
 

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-preorders-for-asus-x670-motherboards-now-available-in-europe-for-e510-to-e1475

[tps3443]

Okay, I’m almost ready for a new generation of CPU’s whether that be 12th or 13th, it’s new to me! Unify-X is Much smaller than the Z590 Dark. So I’ll be able to use the 120MM metal bendable fan arms that were included with my Praxis complete edition test bench. I also grabbed 10ft a fresh tubing for the new build, it’s definitely time for a complete flush! It has been so long since I have maintained my loop. I have been using only distilled water and pouring in additives periodically. 

 

Rule of thumb: Your radiator should always be larger than your motherboard for optimal cooling. 
 

 

 

[Papusan]

Back to flow rate and water pumps bro @Mr. Fox

 

 

I tried reach out to Eddy Alphacool on Techpowerup forum as you can see in the link and pict. Wonder if I get an answer back. Or if he will disappear and never respond/reply back.

 

 

 

Can you check how the tests was done and then compare the results and come with a final answer. The Thermaltake Pacific TF1 flow/thermal sensor was tested by Igorslab and he wasn't very pleased with the reliabilty on this version. But it can't be so bad that the results would be so very differnt as in the two tests. Something is very fishy. Either from Alphacool or the flow sensor results. 

 

 Swiftech MCP-655 Laing/Xylem D5 pump results....

 

 Alphacool VPP755 D5 pump results...

 

 

Pump D5 vs VPP755 techpowerup forum
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/pump-d5-vs-vpp755.298154/post-4838796

 

 

[ryan]

If gpus were women

 

benchmarking=first base

Highest score=second base

gaming at 4k/120=home run

 

bah im afraid I have to do more homeruns. stuck at first base with my damn GPU. 2 games run at 120/rest dip around 100

 

im thinking upgrading to a 4070 might not be a bad idea but we will see what the prices are and if its going to be like 9 inches thick and 50kg

[jaybee83]

On 9/20/2022 at 11:11 PM, Papusan said:

From before AMD prioritized Ryzen chips over graphics due more profits from same silicon. So AMDs coming Radeon graphics cards has to be priced on a certain level to make it profitable.  And newer AM5 motherboards will be damn expensive as well. And even worse in Europe due their massive love for taxes. At least DDR5 will stabilize at slightly lower prices than before. But a brand new AM5 platform will be expensive. This on top of the disgusting prices from Nvidia’s new gen graphics. It will be very expensive being an gamer kid. 
 

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-preorders-for-asus-x670-motherboards-now-available-in-europe-for-e510-to-e1475

soon super broke gamer kid coming through... 😅☠️

 

u know, this is really ridiculous, pricing for the 4090 is actually "senseful" when considering inflation, but 3080 and 3080 fake edition are just bonkers. shouldnt it be the other way around?

 

for anyone looking for a nextgen gpu ill also recommend waiting to see what RDNA3 has to offer, this gen should be the most competitive ever vs. Nvidia, the only reason why the green goblin decided to go so overboard with power consumption = keep the performance crown at any price (and 4090 Ti in the back hand just in case AMD surprises them).

unfortunately for me waiting will not be an option, so my eyes are fixed on the 4090. my lady and me got our first kid on the way (yay!) due in mid march, which simply means: an extra month waiting is an extra month gaming time lost 🤪

 

with EVGA out of the picture, im now considering Asus, MSI or Zotac due to their warranties and/or known well built cooling designs / power deliveries. i think in the end ill just have to check and see how aftermarket pricing looks like for the respective models and decide spontaneously...

 

one thing is for sure though: at 1949€ 4090 pricing in Europe, AIB cards will likely START at 2100-2200€ *sigh*

 

(please let the Zen 4 chips be a bit cheaper than the first placeholder prices listed in France!)