*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[jaybee83]

16 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

To be fair, Intel set the date and so did AMD, then AMD changed their review date embargos 2x for BIOS issues. I'm willing to bet it was more than likely some bios issues, but also some not wanting to give Intel all the data they need for an AM5 comparison for their launch presentation. All of these companies and their games. 

 

Latest Dark BIOS seems to have brought some stability to A-Die chips. Just finished up a few rounds of BF2042 at 7400 CL32 and now doing a longer stress test, will let it run for an hour or so and check for stability issues. Then back to gaming and regular use. Next stop 7600 CL32 lol. 

 

oh absolutely, those games are being played by all sides. like to that! (just out of reactions for today, too many good post 😄 )

 

cmon man, get out of those peasant 7x00 ranges, give us the 8000 we want and NEED 🤘😁

[Mr. Fox]

That is how it should be. There is no place for being a gentleman in business. You do what is best for yourself, your company/employees and your customers, in that order. You do what is worst for your competition and do it deliberately.

[jaybee83]

7950X ordered 

 

now for the mobo....hmmmmm

[Mr. Fox]

18 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

7950X ordered 

 

now for the mobo....hmmmmm

It's got to be exciting. Motherboard is a tough one. With EVGA no longer in the game for AMD none of the acceptable options have respectable warranty support. Not to mention you'd probably be waiting for a year for the first parts to drop. EVGA is always painfully late product releases.

 

Probably should stick with ASUS as much as I truly hate to say that. Hopefully they'll have a good two slot DDR5 option like the Apex. 

 

Are you going to get a delid tool and bare die frame from der8auer?

[jaybee83]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It's got to be exciting. Motherboard is a tough one. With EVGA no longer in the game for AMD none of the acceptable options have respectable warranty support. Not to mention you'd probably be waiting for a year for the first parts to drop. EVGA is always painfully late product releases.

 

Probably should stick with ASUS as much as I truly hate to say that. Hopefully they'll have a good two slot DDR5 option like the Apex. 

 

Are you going to get a delid tool and bare die frame from der8auer?

 

aaand done, actually went with ASUS on this one. i prefer 4 dimm slots since capacity is also a factor for work related stuff. ill still try to squeeze more Mhz out of the sticks, naturally 😛 

reason why i chose Asus over Gigabyte and MSI were sturdier VRMs, USB4 included, 10G LAN and overall more balanced package. the others always had something lacking and if possible i wanna keep this board until AM5 is EOL, so i dont mind paying more now. excited!

 

oh one more thing that convinced me to go Asus: they have this nifty feature implemented where u can automatically switch between stock boost algorithm for max single thread and manual all core OC for max multi thread performance. best of both worlds 🙂 

 

delid tool looks definitely interesting, will keep tabs on that. bare die frame not sure yet, so far im going with the AF II 420 AiO, so bare die would only be sensible if i switch to custom loop down the road.

[Mr. Fox]

44 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

aaand done, actually went with ASUS on this one. i prefer 4 dimm slots since capacity is also a factor for work related stuff. ill still try to squeeze more Mhz out of the sticks, naturally 😛 

reason why i chose Asus over Gigabyte and MSI were sturdier VRMs, USB4 included, 10G LAN and overall more balanced package. the others always had something lacking and if possible i wanna keep this board until AM5 is EOL, so i dont mind paying more now. excited!

 

oh one more thing that convinced me to go Asus: they have this nifty feature implemented where u can automatically switch between stock boost algorithm for max single thread and manual all core OC for max multi thread performance. best of both worlds 🙂 

 

delid tool looks definitely interesting, will keep tabs on that. bare die frame not sure yet, so far im going with the AF II 420 AiO, so bare die would only be sensible if i switch to custom loop down the road.

ASUS definitely offer feature-packed options, but they have had a horrible track record of failures including a fire and killing a 100+ SP CPU during one of the failures. It is always with great fear and intrepidation I purchase anything from them. When everything goes welll they are outstanding. When you need their help, they suck. If it were not for their poor reliability and lousy warranty service they would be the best. But, most of their competitors offer equally lousy warranty service, so I can't single them out on that character flaw. What is most interesting about my experience is their flagship products are the only ones I have had reliability issues with. The Prime and Strix mobos have been very dependable, but less capable.

 

[saturnotaku]

29 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

ASUS definitely offer feature-packed options, but they have had a horrible track record of failures including a fire and killing a 100+ SP CPU during one of the failures. It is always with great fear and intrepidation I purchase anything from them. When everything goes welll they are outstanding. When you need their help, they suck. If it were not for their poor reliability and lousy warranty service they would be the best. But, most of their competitors offer equally lousy warranty service, so I can't single them out on that character flaw. What is most interesting about my experience is their flagship products are the only ones I have had reliability issues with. The Prime and Strix mobos have been very dependable, but less capable.

 

 

This is one advantage to buying a prebuilt from a system integrator. My desktop is a PowerSpec/MicroCenter build. The AS(S)Rock motherboard they used crapped the bed. I was able to take it to them, and they replaced it with a better Asus model. I had the machine back in my possession in less than a week - no fuss, no muss.

[tps3443]

The 13900KF for $629.99 is an amazing price!!!. I’ll have a really nice upgrade from my 11900K. I imagine it will be competitive with 7950X multithreaded with slightly faster single thread performance.

[Talon]

Intel Event Live Now -- actually a live event again. I am so sick of the pre recorded cold "events". 

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/events/on-event-series/innovation.html?cid=sem&source=sa360&campid=2022_q3_cbu_us_gmocoma_gmoetii_traf_text-link_brand_phrase_cd_intel-innovation_3500062592_google_b2b_oos_non-pbm_intel&ad_group=brand_event_na&intel_term=Intel+innovation+2022&sa360id=43700072954822513&gclid=CjwKCAjwvsqZBhAlEiwAqAHElfbq_AjbkCR7Me8OZaVW5b-NeZnvfiW-6deD4z3D6Fq-WI2kJk8kgxoCmksQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[Talon]

Preorders LIVE!!

 

Ships Oct. 20!

[tps3443]

I might just get a 13700KF. It’s practically a 12900K and it’s only $429. 
 

 

Any thoughts? I’m torn. This is such a huge upgrade as it is, I skipped 12th Gen all together. 

[Ashtrix]

Intel announced new Raptor Lake Processors

 

5.8GHz ST boost as per rumors confirmed, improved IMC for sure, more E cores for all of the stack for MT. Clocks as well, more Chipset lanes for mobos for I/O. Surprisingly NewEgg pricing was higher than MSRP Intel is launching today. I think they want to take all the potential sales from AMD's Zen 4 Platform, probably a last minute pricing change is my guess. Pricing wise Intel is heavily undercutting Zen 4 the i9 is significantly cheaper than AMD R9.

 

Now they are going to retake the ST IPC from Zen 4 I guess. MT I think AMD might lead. Gaming performance is not much there to be really honest both Zen 4 and RPL will fight hard, even though they both are just mild improvements from camps this round. These high end processors are for those who are on pre-9th gen parts to be realistic.

 

Overall anyone who wants to lock in and buy right now, Intel Z790 platform could be a good deal but need to note the potential EOL of LGA1700, although the BIOS and QA of AMD is still up, they need to prove it still AM5 is going to outlast the current Intel on that end.

 

Looks like Intel is also offering that new 65W option which AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 7000 series did as well.  Due to the high heat density of these modern x86 processors.

 

There seems to be that Inevitable top Binned i9 13900KS coming soon in Q12023 with 6.0GHz out of box clock rate, either Zen4X3D counter for that bragging rights or just the yields. Gotta see. I think anyone with existing 12900K should skip the 13900K and wait for KS bin, if they want to upgrade because that will be the ultimate final chip for LGA1700 CPU. AMD wanted to get 6GHz on their Zen 4 but could not hit it seems as per Anandtech. But looks like Intel is going to be first in getting that magical figure out of box for a retail chip.

 

Those P cores are looking mighty powerful, I really wish we got a 10C20T variant instead of this Biglittle nonsense which I really despise. Also no improvement on the ILM side of Z790 probably they did not want to break HS and Cooler compatibility so that reinforcement of the LGA1700 and CPU is still a DIY task.

 

Below is the slide deck.

 

 

Also probably the last of it's kind ? EVGA Z790 DARK and yeah all Z790 boards are released as well. I do not see much ILM changes here on the front, maybe there's no improvement on the ILM side unfortunately.

 

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, Talon said:

SK Hynix A-Die 🤠 7200 CL32 @ 1.4v VDD/ 1.34v VDDQ.

 

Just testing a bit now, just got home from a trip so 4 days to test/tune it. My previous M-Die could not do 7200 stable at all after testing 3x kits. 7000 is where they seemed to top out and usually required 1.55v BIOS to achieve. Really excited to see Raptor Lake launch today/tomorrow and hopefully even better IMCs. 

 

Very nice!

 

9 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Sitting at around 113K Read, 103 Write and 102 Copy. 53ns. This is stock manual speed and primary timings set. I just updated the BIOS and lost my old profiles. 

 

I grabbed them from Splave and right now I'm questioning the value over a good cheap M-Die kit that can hit 7000 CL32. I think EVGA needs to update their BIOS to fully support A-Die because I'm having trouble getting anywhere near the 8000 CL32 booting he quoted me. I am testing 7400 CL32 at 1.5v VDD/1.4VDDQ at the moment but not stable yet. 

 

13th Gen Raptor Lake already listed on Newegg 

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i9-13900k-core-i9-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118412?Description=13900k&cm_re=13900k-_-19-118-412-_-Product

 

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-13700k-core-i7-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118414?Description=13700k&cm_re=13700k-_-19-118-414-_-Product

 

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-13600k-core-i5-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118416?Description=13600k&cm_re=13600k-_-19-118-416-_-Product

 

Well it was a good run Zen 4, it was a good run...

 

 

There was no way Intel was going to let AMD have all that singular purchasing glory! Smart move on Intel's part if someone was on the fence. 🙂

 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The 13900KF for $629.99 is an amazing price!!!. I’ll have a really nice upgrade from my 11900K. I imagine it will be competitive with 7950X multithreaded with slightly faster single thread performance.

 

This is exactly how it is going to turn out.

 

AMD? Intel? We all win since they are competing HARD against each other. Same with AMD vs Nvidia. I'm loving it. 🙂

 

 

[Talon]

13900% coverage in honor of the new 13900K

 

7400MTs CL32 stable 🤯

 

 

 

 

 

Moving on to 7600 CL32 -- A quick test. This A-Die is crazy stuff now that I'm dialing it in and using the newer BIOS. 

 

[electrosoft]

52 minutes ago, Ashtrix said:

Intel announced new Raptor Lake Processors

 

5.8GHz ST boost as per rumors confirmed, improved IMC for sure, more E cores for all of the stack for MT. Clocks as well, more Chipset lanes for mobos for I/O. Surprisingly NewEgg pricing was higher than MSRP Intel is launching today. I think they want to take all the potential sales from AMD's Zen 4 Platform, probably a last minute pricing change is my guess. Pricing wise Intel is heavily undercutting Zen 4 the i9 is significantly cheaper than AMD R9.

 

Now they are going to retake the ST IPC from Zen 4 I guess. MT I think AMD might lead. Gaming performance is not much there to be really honest both Zen 4 and RPL will fight hard, even though they both are just mild improvements from camps this round. These high end processors are for those who are on pre-9th gen parts to be realistic.

 

Overall anyone who wants to lock in and buy right now, Intel Z790 platform could be a good deal but need to note the potential EOL of LGA1700, although the BIOS and QA of AMD is still up, they need to prove it still AM5 is going to outlast the current Intel on that end.

 

Looks like Intel is also offering that new 65W option which AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 7000 series did as well.  Due to the high heat density of these modern x86 processors.

 

There seems to be that Inevitable top Binned i9 13900KS coming soon in Q12023 with 6.0GHz out of box clock rate, either Zen4X3D counter for that bragging rights or just the yields. Gotta see. I think anyone with existing 12900K should skip the 13900K and wait for KS bin, if they want to upgrade because that will be the ultimate final chip for LGA1700 CPU. AMD wanted to get 6GHz on their Zen 4 but could not hit it seems as per Anandtech. But looks like Intel is going to be first in getting that magical figure out of box for a retail chip.

 

Those P cores are looking mighty powerful, I really wish we got a 10C20T variant instead of this Biglittle nonsense which I really despise. Also no improvement on the ILM side of Z790 probably they did not want to break HS and Cooler compatibility so that reinforcement of the LGA1700 and CPU is still a DIY task.

 

Below is the slide deck.

 

 

Also probably the last of it's kind ? EVGA Z790 DARK and yeah all Z790 boards are released as well. I do not see much ILM changes here on the front, maybe there's no improvement on the ILM side unfortunately.

 

 

Seeing as 7950x is just matching the 12900k ST basically, you know the 13900k is going to smash it ST but MT is where things are going to get real murky I agree.

 

And I definitely am waiting till next year for any platform upgrades when the 13900KS / 7X00X3D variants drop.

 

Before, I didn't put much stock into motherboard/platform longevity because MB prices weren't outlandish overall but with the way modern motherboard pricing has been, AMD has a point when you can keep the same platform/socket/motherboard and literally drop in CPU upgrades as needed.

 

I know those former 1700x owners who dropped in a 5800X3D are giggling with glee.

 

That Z790 KP MB warms the heart....

 

 

[electrosoft]

EVGA also redesigned the Classified Z790 too. Looks like the consolidated form factors and build approach between the two for costs.

 

https://videocardz.com/press-release/evga-announces-z790-dark-kngpn-and-z790-classified-motherboards

 

[cylix]

Intel shots fired. Those prices are sick, for sure they changed it last minute so they can take the spotlight from AMD.

Competion , i love it!. best thing for us. the customers. Need to give it to AMD aswell how they keep up on two fronts, CPUs and GPUs with the juggernauts that are NVIDIA and Intel.

I already smell some price cuts on the Zen 4 coming

[electrosoft]

1 minute ago, cylix said:

Intel shots fired. Those prices are sick, for sure they changed it last minute so they can take the spotlight from AMD.

Competion , i love it!. best thing for us. the customers. Need to give it to AMD aswell how they keep up on two fronts, CPUs and GPUs with the juggernauts that are NVIDIA and Intel.

I already smell some price cuts on the Zen 4 coming

 

Isn't it awesome?

 

If anyone is looking for 7950x's they're in stock at both Best Buy and Amazon.

 

I'm going to sit back and let AMD, Intel and Nvidia go to war and casually walk through the darkened battlefield after the smoke clears and collect my spoils in Q1/Q2.

 

 

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

ASUS definitely offer feature-packed options, but they have had a horrible track record of failures including a fire and killing a 100+ SP CPU during one of the failures. It is always with great fear and intrepidation I purchase anything from them. When everything goes welll they are outstanding. When you need their help, they suck. If it were not for their poor reliability and lousy warranty service they would be the best. But, most of their competitors offer equally lousy warranty service, so I can't single them out on that character flaw. What is most interesting about my experience is their flagship products are the only ones I have had reliability issues with. The Prime and Strix mobos have been very dependable, but less capable.

 

 

duuuude, dont make me regret my purchase like 5 minutes after i made it 🤣 but thats ok, here the warranty is actually handled by the shop u purchased from, so i naturally chose one that had a long standing reputation and good customer support. nice lil addon: asus has a promotion going on currently where u can get 100€ cashback plus another 25€ if you leave a review on the purchased X670 mobo. not bad!

 

2 hours ago, Ashtrix said:

Intel announced new Raptor Lake Processors

 

5.8GHz ST boost as per rumors confirmed, improved IMC for sure, more E cores for all of the stack for MT. Clocks as well, more Chipset lanes for mobos for I/O. Surprisingly NewEgg pricing was higher than MSRP Intel is launching today. I think they want to take all the potential sales from AMD's Zen 4 Platform, probably a last minute pricing change is my guess. Pricing wise Intel is heavily undercutting Zen 4 the i9 is significantly cheaper than AMD R9.

 

Now they are going to retake the ST IPC from Zen 4 I guess. MT I think AMD might lead. Gaming performance is not much there to be really honest both Zen 4 and RPL will fight hard, even though they both are just mild improvements from camps this round. These high end processors are for those who are on pre-9th gen parts to be realistic.

 

Overall anyone who wants to lock in and buy right now, Intel Z790 platform could be a good deal but need to note the potential EOL of LGA1700, although the BIOS and QA of AMD is still up, they need to prove it still AM5 is going to outlast the current Intel on that end.

 

Looks like Intel is also offering that new 65W option which AMD Zen 4 Ryzen 7000 series did as well.  Due to the high heat density of these modern x86 processors.

 

There seems to be that Inevitable top Binned i9 13900KS coming soon in Q12023 with 6.0GHz out of box clock rate, either Zen4X3D counter for that bragging rights or just the yields. Gotta see. I think anyone with existing 12900K should skip the 13900K and wait for KS bin, if they want to upgrade because that will be the ultimate final chip for LGA1700 CPU. AMD wanted to get 6GHz on their Zen 4 but could not hit it seems as per Anandtech. But looks like Intel is going to be first in getting that magical figure out of box for a retail chip.

 

Those P cores are looking mighty powerful, I really wish we got a 10C20T variant instead of this Biglittle nonsense which I really despise. Also no improvement on the ILM side of Z790 probably they did not want to break HS and Cooler compatibility so that reinforcement of the LGA1700 and CPU is still a DIY task.

 

Below is the slide deck.

 

 

Also probably the last of it's kind ? EVGA Z790 DARK and yeah all Z790 boards are released as well. I do not see much ILM changes here on the front, maybe there's no improvement on the ILM side unfortunately.

 

 

1 hour ago, Talon said:

13900% coverage in honor of the new 13900K

 

7400MTs CL32 stable 🤯

 

 

 

 

 

Moving on to 7600 CL32 -- A quick test. This A-Die is crazy stuff now that I'm dialing it in and using the newer BIOS. 

 

 

oh boy thats gonna be sooooo clooooose between the 13900K and 7950X! looking at the gaming benches, the 5800X3D still stands strong compared to the 13900K and thats saying something in Intel's own slides.

as for the 7950X, really depends which review ure looking at, its either slightly ahead of both the 12900K and 5800X3D or slightly behind, so overall on par Id say. CB R23 single thread will likely go to Intel, but for gaming i think itll be more murky. as for multithread, no idea either to be honest. depending on how much they were able to pimp up their baby cores they might squeeze out a win here and there.

 

overall pretty close fight and fierce competition, means WE win as consumers *mwahaha*. in the end i chose to go with whats available first and which platform has the highest chance for long term support 🙂 

 

31 minutes ago, cylix said:

Intel shots fired. Those prices are sick, for sure they changed it last minute so they can take the spotlight from AMD.

Competion , i love it!. best thing for us. the customers. Need to give it to AMD aswell how they keep up on two fronts, CPUs and GPUs with the juggernauts that are NVIDIA and Intel.

I already smell some price cuts on the Zen 4 coming

 

u said it bro! AMD really tickled the giants and gave us competition again! i love it!

 

28 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Isn't it awesome?

 

If anyone is looking for 7950x's they're in stock at both Best Buy and Amazon.

 

I'm going to sit back and let AMD, Intel and Nvidia go to war and casually walk through the darkened battlefield after the smoke clears and collect my spoils in Q1/Q2.

 

 

 

and THAT how u do it 😎🤘 rock on bud

[Papusan]

51 minutes ago, cylix said:

Intel shots fired. Those prices are sick, for sure they changed it last minute so they can take the spotlight from AMD.

Competion , i love it!. best thing for us. the customers. Need to give it to AMD aswell how they keep up on two fronts, CPUs and GPUs with the juggernauts that are NVIDIA and Intel.

I already smell some price cuts on the Zen 4 coming

I just hope AMD will take an Intel for RDNA 3-based RX 7000 cards and destroy the fun for Nvidia. And they can do that with their new cards. Blink blink, Jensen 🙂

 

[jaybee83]

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

I just hope AMD will take an Intel for RDNA 3-based RX 7000 cards and destroy the fun for Nvidia. And they can do that with their new cards. Blink blink, Jensen 🙂

100% agree, i hope Lisa will be able to show that arrogant Jensen whos boss and how its done 😄 

 

[Talon]

25 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

duuuude, dont make me regret my purchase like 5 minutes after i made it 🤣 but thats ok, here the warranty is actually handled by the shop u purchased from, so i naturally chose one that had a long standing reputation and good customer support. nice lil addon: asus has a promotion going on currently where u can get 100€ cashback plus another 25€ if you leave a review on the purchased X670 mobo. not bad!

 

 

 

oh boy thats gonna be sooooo clooooose between the 13900K and 7950X! looking at the gaming benches, the 5800X3D still stands strong compared to the 13900K and thats saying something in Intel's own slides.

as for the 7950X, really depends which review ure looking at, its either slightly ahead of both the 12900K and 5800X3D or slightly behind, so overall on par Id say. CB R23 single thread will likely go to Intel, but for gaming i think itll be more murky. as for multithread, no idea either to be honest. depending on how much they were able to pimp up their baby cores they might squeeze out a win here and there.

 

overall pretty close fight and fierce competition, means WE win as consumers *mwahaha*. in the end i chose to go with whats available first and which platform has the highest chance for long term support 🙂 

 

 

u said it bro! AMD really tickled the giants and gave us competition again! i love it!

 

 

and THAT how u do it 😎🤘 rock on bud

For sure it will be close. But keep in mind  AMD used 6000 CL30 DDR5 with EXPO timings for their Zen 4 gaming performance demo. 
 

Intel used 5600 CL28 for 13th Gen and 3200 CL14 for AMD Zen 3 and 3D. So Intel used their maximum “supported” memory while AMD used an overclock because they only officially support 5200. 
 

https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/performance/benchmarks/desktop/

 

 

As I’ve shown even my 12th Gen can push far higher memory clocks. 13th Gen and Z790 will only extend that lead. While AMD sweet spot is what they demoed with. 

[Papusan]

On 9/22/2022 at 11:02 PM, Papusan said:

Dell continue with their +20 years chassis construction (wrapped with glossy pastic) for their high end gaming desktops (Alienware). What a tragedy. And Tomshardware give it 4 out of 5 stars. Double tragedy!

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/alienware-aurora-r13

Dell Alienware with a huge uprade of their +20 years old chassis construction (a old box wrapped in with glossy pastic). I don't mean the chassis. The re-fresh is in short the same old trash-box but with 240mm AIO, slightly stronger PSU and a couple of more fans. Yep, a huge upgrade this time from Dell. Yep forgot, they even offer DDR5-4800 memory this time. Dell = Today's Joke. And I'm 100% sure the Alienware fanboys will be very pleased/happy with this new fantastic upgrade. Oh' gosh, happy i don't have to spend a dime on this. 

 

Alienware Aurora R15 Gets 13th Gen Intel, RTX 40-Series, Better Cooling
By Tomshardware.com | Today

Finally, a 240 mm AIO CPU cooler. Yep, that huge 240 mm AIO will make wonders for the 13th gen Intel unlocked flagship. 
 

 

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/alienware-aurora-r15-update-rtx-4090-intel-13th-gen/

 

Huge beeefy VRM cooler-block heatsinks. And Alienware says the Aurora R15 supports whopping eight lighting zones, including several internal ambient and other lighting capabilities. So you should be able to customize the lighting to your specific tastes (and to show off to others - your equals). 

[tps3443]

Newegg is upsetting me right now. I needed to split purchase to pre order my 13900KF, because I’m a broke A$$ kidding lol. Anyways, they won’t take PayPal either for a pre-order, so instead I bought (2) gift cards from Newegg. They emailed 1 right away. The other is still pending for some reason.. 
 

I hope they don’t sell out of these things. This is really so silly. 
 

I just want to order my 13900KF. I’ve already bought these non-refundable gift cards. And my hands are tied. 
 

Doesn’t make sense how they process two orders for the same thing at the same time. And only send one of the orders right away. 
 

I’m constantly checking this email. Waiting for this last gift card code to come through. Once it does, I’ll be pre ordering a 13900KF. Fingers crossed!