*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

8 minutes ago, ryan said:

I know but they might have actually done it this gen...like I get why you don't have faith in them but I think it will happen I think we wil see 100percent boost in performance.. dont you think so if not what are you guessing and lets put in the chips

Me.....🙂

 

[ryan]

lol I know bro but don't you think if they can do 100 percent increase with 4090 over 3090 they can do the same with laptops?

[Papusan]

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

lol I know bro but don't you think if they can do 100 percent increase with 4090 over 3090 they can do the same with laptops?

Depending on the game and if you use new modern features. But new doesn't mean 100% performance uplift ofer it's predecessor. Nvidia never offer this. Neither do AMD or intel. It's called.....

 

[tps3443]

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Depending on the game and if you use new modern features. But new doesn't mean 100% performance uplift ofer it's predecessor. Nvidia never offer this. Neither do AMD or intel. It's called.....

 

 

I think it actually is about 95-100% faster in GPU limited games lol. It’s terrible to say it..But dang that 4090 is crazy fast! Breaking 20K+ in Timespy extreme is just ridiculous. Imagine overclocked AIB cards on water cooling. We may be looking at 4090’s breaking 23-24K stable that can put that down in games.
 

Until a new Gen game releases that makes it look SLOW that is..lol.

 

That 4090 is the real deal from the looks of it. It may just be the largest generational leap there ever was. 

[jaybee83]

5 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I feel like the stock 13900K is going to easily outperform the 7950X in single threaded and in games etc. However, the stock 13900K is most likely going to be about 4.5% slower than a 7950X in multithreaded performance while maintaining that 250w boost power.

 

However, I imagine the 13900K will overclock and outpace the stock 7950X once the power levels are cranked up, the 13900K is also cheaper though. I have never seen Intel and AMD so closely matched. Where there really isn’t a major downside with either. AMD is actually the more expensive option, and they aren’t the budget choice with any downsides at all.
 

I was able to buy a 13900KF, MSI Unify-X (2) Dimm motherboard, and 32GB DDR5 6000 CL36 for a grand total of $1,105 for everything.
 

The 7950X is awesome. But, I’d be in for wayyy more than $1,105 if I wanted one. 

 

 

yep your choice really depends on what ure focussing on for an upgrade or new build. if ure already on alder lake then its a no brainer since its a simple drop in. if ure the kinda guy who upgrades his platform every 1-2 years anyways, then it doesnt bother u that socket 1700 is a dead one due to last supported gen. on the other hand, if ure looking for a longterm build for multiple dropin cpu upgrades and dont mind the high initial cost then ryzen 7000 all the way.

 

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

I see more games below 90 fps. The few inflated games that is above 150 fps screw up the whole graph. I would say well below 90 fps 🙂 

 

welp, thats arithmetic mean for ya dude, just flattens out all valleys and peaks 😄 seems like ure rather looking at the mode instead. in the end it just depends on which games ure testing or playing. every game will show u different results.

[ryan]

i wont lie,im not buying it but its exciting seeing a leap in performance around 95 percent, never happened before

[tps3443]

19 days to go. 

[tps3443]

12 hours ago, ryan said:

i wont lie,im not buying it but its exciting seeing a leap in performance around 95 percent, never happened before

 

Considering the RTX4090 can just barely double the RTX3090 in Timespy Extreme graphics score. I would think something similar would happen with mobile GPU’s as well. 
 

I’m not going by any cuda cores or specs or anything like that. The RTX4090 leaked benchmarks are smashing the RTX3090 by a good 96% on the graphics score. That’s just absolutely scary freaking fast!!!!

 

Looking at the new RTX4080 16GB model that cost $1,199. It is scoring roughly 15,000 in Timespy extreme graphics. The RTX3080 FE 10GB model scores roughly 7,950 in Timespy extreme. This would represent almost a 89-90% graphics score improvement going from RTX3080 to RTX4080.

 

Now that RTX4080 is about 70% more expensive than the $699.99 dollar RTX3080 LOL. But, let’s get real you are actually getting what you pay for here with that price jump AND SOME… And, as for the cheap $699.99 RTX3080FE..No one could even buy one for $699.99 until roughly 2 years after it’s initial launch. So, that was a bunch of BS for Nvidia to even try and launch a super fast RTX3080 for $699.99.. No one could even get one except for famous YouTubers of course.

 

Based on how the desktop side looks. I would expect almost 90-100% improvement in gaming laptops easily. That may sound crazy. But, these leaked benchmarks are displaying pretty much this. ^ 

 

Huge generational leap. Unless these leaks are BS, and all fake. But I don’t think they are.

 

[Papusan]

13 hours ago, ryan said:

i wont lie,im not buying it but its exciting seeing a leap in performance around 95 percent, never happened before

"Nvidia has said that next-gen Lovelace GPUs will be capable of doubling up rasterization performance compared to Ampere graphics cards". Haven't nvidia said the same before?🙂

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Benchmark Leak Shows A 60 Percent Gain Over RTX 3090 Ti

It's the first of October, which means there's only 11 days left before you can buy your own GeForce RTX 4090—assuming your pockets are deep enough, anyway. 

 

We have already seen that AMD struggle sell out the new Ryzen AM5 platform due awful value (the full package is more than the Ryzen 7000 chips). The Chip production falls due bad times. And Nvidia still hope that people will pay more than ever for new graphics cards. Also overprice for castrated cards as 4080@12GB that should be labeled the 3070 replacement. Not so sure nvidia will manage to make huge profits on greed this time, if AMD and Intel play their cards well. I don't think people is ready to pay crypto prices for new graphics cards after two years in the dark (due miners, gredy retail, lack of cards and scalpers). We'll see. Maybe Nvidia are able to sell out the first batch cards, but the cards will be in sales 2 years forwards. Maybe nvidia's ceo Jensen have seen the paint on the wall? 

 

Would you pay up to $1,999 for one of these custom RTX 4090 cards?
https://www.techspot.com/news/96155-third-party-rtx-4090-cards-listed-up-1999.html

 

Asus in front and try out how far they can push the price point

 

GEFORCE RTX 4090The first custom designs are on the market for 1,999 to 2,549 euros

The first custom designs of the GeForce RTX 4090 have already arrived in stores at prices ranging from 1,999 to 2,549 euros.

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

The RTX 4090 is far too expensive even if it does offer double the performance of a 3090. This is abusive Kingpin/HOF overclocking enthusiast niche GPU pricing on belly-button video cards with cancerous firmware made for Joe Blow the gamerboy. They will have gimped performance. And, if they pull more shenanigans like they did last time, there will be a 4090 Ti and you will be stuck with a second fiddle graphics card that you paid more for than it was worth. Even if it were priced appropriately, it would be prudent to wait and see what cards are going to have good water block support and which ones will not. An enthusiast version of any GPU is going to be boost clock impaired and thermally gimped if it relies on air cooling or a hybrid setup. My confidence in NVIDIA or AIB partners to do the right thing and not deliberately rape people willing to cough up the cash is near zero percent.

[tps3443]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The RTX 4090 is far too expensive even if it does offer double the performance of a 3090. This is abusive Kingpin/HOF overclocking enthusiast niche GPU pricing on belly-button video cards with cancerous firmware made for Joe Blow the gamerboy. They will have gimped performance. And, if they pull more shenanigans like they did last time, there will be a 4090 Ti and you will be stuck with a second fiddle graphics card that you paid more for than it was worth. Even if it were priced appropriately, it would be prudent to wait and see what cards are going to have good water block support and which ones will not. An enthusiast version of any GPU is going to be boost clock impaired and thermally gimped if it relies on air cooling or a hybrid setup. My confidence in NVIDIA or AIB partners to do the right thing and not deliberately rape people willing to cough up the cash is near zero percent.

 

 Newegg is showing some decent prices around $1,599 for RTX4090. But, what I don’t get is why Asus believes they can sell their stupid 4090 Strix for $1,999? I mean, that’s just an air-cooled RTX4090..It may be good. But, it’s not +$400 premium good. 
 

What’s even dumber is, the 3090 Strix air cooled was actually more expensive msrp than the 3090 Kingpin Hybrid. I would love to know what Asus is smoking that makes them think they can charge all of this extra money. 
 

Nvidia also left room for a 4090Ti, so when it does release it’ll be more than a 3% bump in performance this go around. 

[electrosoft]

3 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

 Newegg is showing some decent prices around $1,599 for RTX4090. But, what I don’t get is why Asus believes they can sell their stupid 4090 Strix for $1,999? I mean, that’s just an air-cooled RTX4090..It may be good. But, it’s not +$400 premium good. 
 

What’s even dumber is, the 3090 Strix air cooled was actually more expensive msrp than the 3090 Kingpin Hybrid. I would love to know what Asus is smoking that makes them think they can charge all of this extra money. 
 

Nvidia also left room for a 4090Ti, so when it does release it’ll be more than a 3% bump in performance this go around. 

 

If MSRP is $1599 and AIBs are averaging $1599 to $1999 so far, you can fully expect the 4090ti to be at least $1999.99 MSRP and prices ranging from $1999.99 to $2399.99.

 

Only way this self corrects is if AMD comes in with the thunder at a great price and/or consumers simply don't buy for numerous reasons. Normal Joe Consumer who upgraded to a 3000 series during the Pandemic is going to skip the 4000 series. Only enthusiasts and those with money to burn upgrade each generation.

 

7950x sales are reported to be beyond lackluster so far so there's hope in this world wide downturn overall.

 

As for Strix 4090:

 

 

[Papusan]

More proprietary filthy similar what Dell is known to offer gamer kids is coming to all brands of HW. When is enough enough? 

 

 

From an older Wccftech article - May 24, 2022.... "Such a motherboard design will be useless in existing PC cases which means that Project Zero is going to extend beyond just a cool motherboard design and MSI will offer its own gaming PC case as a part of the DIY Kit. The motherboard with its all-black aesthetics really does more just to the Stealth naming used by Gigabyte & AORUS for their own custom kit".

 

Now a new article pop up about the same filthy but with ASUS in mind.....

 

ASUS DIY-APE Revolution concept improves cable management for Intel and AMD PC motherboards | Oct 1, 2022, 

ASUS unleashes new DIY-APE Revolution project to improve PC cable management for Intel and AMD motherboards
Gigabyte has made its attempt at cable management with its Stealth program while MSI teased its Project Zero, bearing a similar concept of a clutter-free chassis. The company utilizes a combination of graphics cards, additional components, and the motherboard to assist in improving and limiting cord clutter. Gigabyte's design is proprietary to them, so other companies have attempted to improve cable management by their means.
 

ASUS's newest design is more of a collaboration than what we have seen before. Companies such as LIAN LI, SAMA, CoolerMaster, Phanteks, Cougar, and Jonsbo are working with ASUS to create the new DIY-APE Revolution design, which is anticipated to be available for Intel H610, B660, and B760 motherboard compatibilities. However, the company has also talked about working with AMD and its motherboard lines. Of course the chassis makers want to be with them into this journey.

 

I think the direction goes to slimmer and smaller, pretty kute Chassis. 90% + of all chassis sold will be more as Dell's high end gaming flagship Junk. 

[ryan]

something fun....this was leaked back in late feburary..ha not a bad leak but  off

 

just saw an ad on my phone saying the new 4000 series will require a 1500w power supply!! thoughts?

 

16,384 CUDA cores

 

Nvidia RTX 4090 specs: 24GB GDDRX VRAM, 16,384 CUDA cores.25 Sept 2022

oh and it gets released in sept

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4000

According to what Wccftech calls “reliable leakers," the new hardware will likely pack a punch. There’s talk that the Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 flagship card will be powered by the Ada Lovelace AD102 and come with 18,432 CUDA cores with a clock speed as high as 2.5GHz and 92 teraflops of compute performance.

For comparison’s sake, the current top-end Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 card packs 10,752 CUDA cores, a 1.6GHz clock speed and around 37 teraflops of compute power.

[Papusan]

10 minutes ago, ryan said:

something fun....this was leaked back in late feburary..ha not a bad leak but  off

 

just saw an ad on my phone saying the new 4000 series will require a 1500w power supply!! thoughts?

 

16,384 CUDA cores

 

Nvidia RTX 4090 specs: 24GB GDDRX VRAM, 16,384 CUDA cores.25 Sept 2022

oh and it gets released in sept

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4000

According to what Wccftech calls “reliable leakers," the new hardware will likely pack a punch. There’s talk that the Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 flagship card will be powered by the Ada Lovelace AD102 and come with 18,432 CUDA cores with a clock speed as high as 2.5GHz and 92 teraflops of compute performance.

For comparison’s sake, the current top-end Nvidia GeForce RTX 3090 card packs 10,752 CUDA cores, a 1.6GHz clock speed and around 37 teraflops of compute power.

From the horse mouth.... GeForce RTX 40 Series & Power Specifications - Nvidia staff

 

 

For more information about RTX 40 Series System Specifications please see: RTX 4090

RTX 4080

 

And I have already posted info about this... Here

[ryan]

pretty wild how close the cuda core count was but they were way off with TDP....almost double off

 

as for leaks I think a feb leak is way to early to have anything accurate or true

[Papusan]

5 minutes ago, ryan said:

pretty wild how close the cuda core count was but they were way off with TDP....almost double off

 

as for leaks I think a feb leak is way to early to have anything accurate or true

Nvidia test different design before they nail all specs. 

 

And they know there is leaks. One of the reasons they want that the GPU-Z author has to hide info about not released HW.... GPU-Z update will limit NVIDIA engineering sample GPU leaks

[ryan]

yeah.. I don't really care anymore as 95-105 percent bump in raw performance is enough for me to blink twice.....I think im going to get a 4090 egpu setup as the 11800h is still pretty good.

 

5 hours ago, Papusan said:

Nvidia test different design before they nail all specs. 

 

And they know there is leaks. One of the reasons they want that the GPU-Z author has to hide info about not released HW.... GPU-Z update will limit NVIDIA engineering sample GPU leaks

thats actually a really good idea....but as for now this is an exciting time and I cant imagine how excited @jaybee83is. he is going to get like 400fps maxed at 8k with crysis lol....yuppers i think we can finally say we ran crysis

 

 

also i'd like to add they are all sold out lol....kinda like saying im buying a ps5..(year 2030) by the time you can actually buy it they will have a new model out

 

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[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, ryan said:

yeah.. I don't really care anymore as 95-105 percent bump in raw performance is enough for me to blink twice.....I think im going to get a 4090 egpu setup as the 11800h is still pretty good.

 

More like ~60% but that is still a pretty massive uplift. I'm equally interested in RT performance gains too. DLSS can kick rocks for all I care.

 

Compared to your laptop 3060, almost anything in the desktop realm is a massive upgrade 3080 on up.

 

 

[jaybee83]

16 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

Considering the RTX4090 can just barely double the RTX3090 in Timespy Extreme graphics score. I would think something similar would happen with mobile GPU’s as well. 
 

I’m not going by any cuda cores or specs or anything like that. The RTX4090 leaked benchmarks are smashing the RTX3090 by a good 96% on the graphics score. That’s just absolutely scary freaking fast!!!!

 

Looking at the new RTX4080 16GB model that cost $1,199. It is scoring roughly 15,000 in Timespy extreme graphics. The RTX3080 FE 10GB model scores roughly 7,950 in Timespy extreme. This would represent almost a 89-90% graphics score improvement going from RTX3080 to RTX4080.

 

Now that RTX4080 is about 70% more expensive than the $699.99 dollar RTX3080 LOL. But, let’s get real you are actually getting what you pay for here with that price jump AND SOME… And, as for the cheap $699.99 RTX3080FE..No one could even buy one for $699.99 until roughly 2 years after it’s initial launch. So, that was a bunch of BS for Nvidia to even try and launch a super fast RTX3080 for $699.99.. No one could even get one except for famous YouTubers of course.

 

Based on how the desktop side looks. I would expect almost 90-100% improvement in gaming laptops easily. That may sound crazy. But, these leaked benchmarks are displaying pretty much this. ^ 

 

Huge generational leap. Unless these leaks are BS, and all fake. But I don’t think they are.

 

 

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

 Newegg is showing some decent prices around $1,599 for RTX4090. But, what I don’t get is why Asus believes they can sell their stupid 4090 Strix for $1,999? I mean, that’s just an air-cooled RTX4090..It may be good. But, it’s not +$400 premium good. 
 

What’s even dumber is, the 3090 Strix air cooled was actually more expensive msrp than the 3090 Kingpin Hybrid. I would love to know what Asus is smoking that makes them think they can charge all of this extra money. 
 

Nvidia also left room for a 4090Ti, so when it does release it’ll be more than a 3% bump in performance this go around. 

 

my bet is that these insane prices will fall pretty quickly once the nvidiots realized theyre not the only gpu game in town anymore @RDNA3 and they finally got a read on the global consumer room not willing to pay such mining pandemic prices that have completely overstayed their welcome!

 

1 hour ago, ryan said:

yeah.. I don't really care anymore as 95-105 percent bump in raw performance is enough for me to blink twice.....I think im going to get a 4090 egpu setup as the 11800h is still pretty good.

 

0mg dude....the only thing more crazy than getting a 4090 on launch (look whos talking amirite 😇) is getting it for a frigging egpu setup and pairing it with an 11th gen mobile cpu 😂

 

1 hour ago, ryan said:

thats actually a really good idea....but as for now this is an exciting time and I cant imagine how excited @jaybee83is. he is going to get like 400fps maxed at 8k with crysis lol....yuppers i think we can finally say we ran crysis

 

 

also i'd like to add they are all sold out lol....kinda like saying im buying a ps5..(year 2030) by the time you can actually buy it they will have a new model out

 

me? excited? dunno what u talkin about... 🤪

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

More like ~60% but that is still a pretty massive uplift. I'm equally interested in RT performance gains too. DLSS can kick rocks for all I care.

 

Compared to your laptop 3060, almost anything in the desktop realm is a massive upgrade 3080 on up.

 

 

 

Videocardz said it’s 77.5% faster than a RTX3090.

 

It looks like that leaked RTX4090 Timespy Extreme benchmark that doubled the RTX3090 is obviously overclocked. It did score over 20,000 though.
 

Regardless it’s massively faster. We’re looking at almost 80% going from a RTX3090 to a RTX4090. 

 

[tps3443]

I’m looking at the Corsair DDR5 6600 C32. I’m considering just selling my current set and grabbing these for the 13900KF. Does it make sense to still buy Hynix M-die right now?

[electrosoft]

26 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

Videocardz said it’s 77.5% faster than a RTX3090.

 

It looks like that leaked RTX4090 Timespy Extreme benchmark that doubled the RTX3090 is obviously overclocked. It did score over 20,000 though.
 

Regardless it’s massively faster. We’re looking at almost 80% going from a RTX3090 to a RTX4090. 

 

 

When the real results come out you are going to see on average stock for stock (let's say 3090ti FE vs 4090 FE) a 50-70% depending on situation is my estimation. Either way, like I said before, it is a beefy uplift. Massively to me is 2x faster or more which it is not which is usually reserved for every other generation comparison (IE 2000 vs 4000, 1000 vs 3000).

 

Gigabyte has introduced their Waterforce version of the 4090 for a full 360mm AIO based card (non hybrid), but I find myself still liking the MSI Suprim X 4090 AIO hybrid for some reason lol along with the Colorful.

 

Depending on AMD and market conditions, I still feel like the 4090ti is going to be coming sooner than later, but we will see. This time around the TI moniker will pack a serious punch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[electrosoft]

17 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m looking at the Corsair DDR5 6600 C32. I’m considering just selling my current set and grabbing these for the 13900KF. Does it make sense to still buy Hynix M-die right now?

 

How much are you willing to spend and what are your expectations? The Dom Platz look righteous though.  I picked up a pair of Hynix sticks w/ heatsinks installed from gtz for sub $150 shipped because there is no way I'm dropping crazy money on DDR5 sticks this early in their maturation process. I did the same with DDR4 and DDR3 for the first few years after launch till they hit their stride then paid more.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I’m looking at the Corsair DDR5 6600 C32. I’m considering just selling my current set and grabbing these for the 13900KF. Does it make sense to still buy Hynix M-die right now?

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

How much are you willing to spend and what are your expectations? The Dom Platz look righteous though.  I picked up a pair of Hynix sticks w/ heatsinks installed from gtz for sub $150 shipped because there is no way I'm dropping crazy money on DDR5 sticks this early in their maturation process. I did the same with DDR4 and DDR3 for the first few years after launch till they hit their stride then paid more.

 

I agree. The SK Hynix A-die is way too expensive right now, and the degree to which it would be beneficial is questionable.  @tps3443 I would say wait a while. I could not tell any difference in performance with SK Hynix M-die at 6800 versus the Samsung B-die you purchased with the mobo running at 6400. At 6400 and equivalent timings the M-die Hynix and Samsung B-die perform within a margin of error of the same. The only way I could measure a difference at 6800 was with a memory benchmark. I ran some game benchmarks, Cinebench and 3DMark and the difference was not really detectable. In most things the performance of the DDR4-4000 on my Strix D4 matches the performance of my DDR5-6800. I'd say when the A-die price falls to about what we are paying now for M-die it will be worth it at that point. 

If you are just wanting it for impressive memory benchmarks and don't mind paying a ridiculous amount for the A-die, then by all means do it just for shiggles. I want it for no reason other than the AIDA64 benchmark, but not bad enough that I would be dropping a bunch of money on it for the reasons stated above. The overpriced A-die is a very poor value and there is no bang for the buck at this point.