*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[johnksss]

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

I did not look outside of Amazon for that liquid metal. Thanks for the link.

I was trying to see if that company sells it by itself, Elecgear. 

[jaybee83]

15 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Alright, CENN said he’d buy the chip for $1,050 plus shipping and hook me up with a Z790 Dark from Vince too. I’ll do it. 😁😁😁

 

sweet deal!

 

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

Micro Center Prices RTX 4080 Close to RTX 4090's MSRP

 

If your budget can stretch to $1,500 for a RTX 4080, you may want to consider a RTX 4090 if you can find it near MSRP, which will be noticeably faster card for just $50 more on some models.

https://videocardz.com/newz/microcenter-confirms-geforce-rtx-4080-us-pricing-from-1199-to-1549

 

Who in the right mind would pay $1550 for an ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 ROG Strix Oc'd? 

Is this placeholder (MC confirm the price) or do Asus/Micro Center think consumers are stupid? 

 

It seems Asus is one of the worst Nvidia partners regarding price setting of own home baked Nvidia products. This is laughable and should not be taken seriously.

 

totally awesome price, if you ONLY compare asus 4090 vs asus 4080 LOL

 

13 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The market will be flooded soon with AMD and Nvidia GPU’s. I’ll happily sit back and wait with my 3090 KP HC. I’m waiting until I can pick through several options on Newegg. It may be a little while though.

 

do u really think tho that nvidia and AMD will flood the market with product and thus severely risk having to lower price per item? not so sure about that... Nvidia demonstrated a pretty clever strategy with the 4090, offering it in batches bit by bit so they can finetune availability and not risk oversaturating the market. why wouldt AMD follow that example? in any case, im skeptical, lets see whatll be up in a few months time.

 

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

There goes $107 dollars down the drain. Omg lolz

 

8 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

Very close save. What I don't get, if this guy CENS is scamming others, why is he still active on that forum? If you are a known overclocker/scammer, wouldn't that make the rounds?

 

I don't want anyone thinking I don't believe Falkentyne, but it is a bit interesting that EVGA has a guy on their OC team that is a scam artist. 

 

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

You know what’s crazy. Falkentyne is all go team Asus. And Cens is team EVGA. Makes me wonder. Someone even joked about that in the forums and I quote them here. “Damn Falk you really don’t want EVGA to win this one do you” they have since edited the post and removed that. Apparently Kingpin and Luumi both will vouch for this CENS guy. So I don’t know….I already refunded him either way. 

 

Also, the person he apparently scammed they said he baits and switches the CPU’s out, apparently his samples are claimed as really amazing and promised to run this and run at that, and the person gets an actual turd of a CPU once they receive it. I have no

idea whats going on. And now I feel like I’ve been fooled by everyone LOL. 

 

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Im not messing with it anymore. I’ll gladly just keep it. Delid the chip. Run it etc. 

 

well that took a crazy turn, wtf. all this doesnt add up tho, if hes an official EVGA OC team member then why hasnt he been called out yet? in any case, best to keep out of that drama!

 

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, the 2080 Ti is repaired and will be on its way back to me tomorrow. The gentleman from Northwest Repair (Tony) is a standup dude. The one Samsung chip that MATS testing identified as bad was the only thing wrong with it. He had a new one in stock to replace it. Price was very reasonable, and I gave him a little extra because it is worth it to me to reward him for his talent. He recorded the repair. I hope he uploads a video of it.

 

wow that was fast and smooth! thats awesome man! keep us updated if theres indeed a vid out 😁

 

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

I was trying to see if that company sells it by itself, Elecgear. 

 

huh interesting. i actuall know Elecgear from a previous purchase, specifically an external ssd enclosure. had no idea they also did thermal pastes / contact frames?

[Mr. Fox]

31 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

wow that was fast and smooth! thats awesome man! keep us updated if theres indeed a vid out 😁

Should be fine. As you may recall from his videos, he always tests every repair by maxing stress with Furmark, then runs Heaven, Valley and Superposition before he calls it good. But, I will post if there is any issue.

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Well, this is cool. Getting things in order for selling the Strix Z690-A D4 and 12900K and RAM kit, and I found a couple of settings to get the ram stable at DDR4-4400 16-18-18-36 1T. I had to give the IMC and the DIMMs about 0.025mV more juice. I could only get it to boot at 4000 with the 12900K before. Runs great now.

 

@electrosoft

[jaybee83]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Should be fine. As you may recall from his videos, he always tests every repair by maxing stress with Furmark, then runs Heaven, Valley and Superposition before he calls it good. But, I will post if there is any issue.

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Well, this is cool. Getting things in order for selling the Strix Z690-A D4 and 12900K and RAM kit, and I found a couple of settings to get the ram stable at DDR4-4400 16-18-18-36 1T. I had to give the IMC and the DIMMs about 0.025mV more juice. I could only get it to boot at 4000 with the 12900K before. Runs great now.

 

@electrosoft

 

just goes to show how little it sometimes takes to get things stable, 2.5mV is nothing!

[Mr. Fox]

13 hours ago, tps3443 said:

That’s actually a really nice looking alien ware. I love the styling. But it’s still very NICE.

mmmm... ok. If you say so. 😉 I suspect the people that designed it think so, too.  If not, then they're pretty sadistic. Any consideration for aesthetic preferences aside, their products are exceedingly horrible in terms of build quality and proprietary limitations at a component level. Limited options, built to fail, and availability at their discretion. In every way a fake enthusiast product designed for fake enthusiasts. I think it looks absolutely hideous, but that much is subjective.

 

The Alienware R13 is easily the worst pre-built gaming PC we've ever reviewed. Dell manages to downclock an i9 to equal an i7 performance instead, yet charges $5000 for the PC. - GamersNexus

 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

do u really think tho that nvidia and AMD will flood the market with product and thus severely risk having to lower price per item? not so sure about that... Nvidia demonstrated a pretty clever strategy with the 4090, offering it in batches bit by bit so they can finetune availability and not risk oversaturating the market. why wouldt AMD follow that example? in any case, im skeptical, lets see whatll be up in a few months time.

 

 

The parameters are different this time around. We are back to Turing conditions. No Crypto-boom along with no Pandemic or logistical conditions deriving thereof. Tomorrow will be officially one month since 4090 launch.

 

What we saw before was AMD and Nvidia weren't holding anything back. They were literally pumping out as many GPUs as possible and still couldn't keep anything in stock.

 

Unless something suddenly introduces new conditions (TSMC issues or another crypto-boom being the biggest potentials), all the perceived "holding back" will not stop the demand curve from shrinking unlike before where it was impossible to exhaust because even at inflated prices slamming any decent GPU into a rig was a money making device.

 

If/when 4090 prices suddenly jump and move consistently > $3k on eBay/StockX then you will know we are somewhat in previous conditions.

 

So many variables are against previous market conditions repeating themselves but like I said before the scarcity PTSD from 2019 to early 2022 still linger.

 

~Feb 2023 will be the first checksum on market conditions.

 

 

[johnksss]

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

mmmm... ok. If you say so. 😉 I suspect the people that designed it think so, too.  If not, then they're pretty sadistic. Any consideration for aesthetic preferences aside, their products are exceedingly horrible in terms of build quality and proprietary limitations at a component level. Limited options, built to fail, and availability at their discretion. In every way a fake enthusiast product designed for fake enthusiasts. I think it looks absolutely hideous, but that much is subjective.

 

The Alienware R13 is easily the worst pre-built gaming PC we've ever reviewed. Dell manages to downclock an i9 to equal an i7 performance instead, yet charges $5000 for the PC. - GamersNexus

 

This reminds me of when Vivian and I were at CES and I was benching their Alienware "Throttlebooks"  and people were like for reals! 100C in less than 5 seconds.🤣

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Should be fine. As you may recall from his videos, he always tests every repair by maxing stress with Furmark, then runs Heaven, Valley and Superposition before he calls it good. But, I will post if there is any issue.

---

Well, this is cool. Getting things in order for selling the Strix Z690-A D4 and 12900K and RAM kit, and I found a couple of settings to get the ram stable at DDR4-4400 16-18-18-36 1T. I had to give the IMC and the DIMMs about 0.025mV more juice. I could only get it to boot at 4000 with the 12900K before. Runs great now.

 

@electrosoft

 

Very nice! Glad to see the G2 opening up and CR1 to boot!

 

I was thinking of selling my Strix D4 + memory setup too and starting fresh and going full DDR5 finally. We're on the same wavelength (again). 🙂

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Very nice! Glad to see the G2 opening up and CR1 to boot!

 

I was thinking of selling my Strix D4 + memory setup too and starting fresh and going full DDR5 finally. We're on the same wavelength (again). 🙂

 

 

My Strix Z690-E is supposed to be delivered today and I will use my spare 32GB of generic green M-die on that system with the 12900KS.

 

I am debating whether to keep the 2080 Ti FTW3 or sell it. I don't need a third GPU. I shipped it for repair with the hybrid kit installed. Last night I decided to clean up the Vector block while waiting for the GPU to come back and when I got ready to take it apart I noticed a lot of hairline cracks in the plexi around the screws. It wasn't leaking and I doubt it would leak, but it looks like crap. I can't really sell it that way, and it doesn't make sense to buy another block for it. I'm thinking the smart thing would be to sell it and just keep the 3060 Ti. I've already done all the benching I would ever do with the 2080 Ti at this point, and the only reason to keep it would be sentimental, which is kind of silly.

 

Maybe somebody would want to buy it as a complete package with the 12900K, RAM and D4 mobo.

[johnksss]

Okay, so maybe a few seconds longer than 5...😂

 

[Mr. Fox]

57 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Okay, so maybe a few seconds longer than 5...😂

 

What makes it especially sad pathetic is that the CPU is only clocked at 4.7GHz. 

[Mr. Fox]

The people that like SFF computers might appreciate this.

 

 

[KING19]

I decided to update my NVIDIA drivers for once the other day to 526.47 because of the DX12 performance increase in games and my score end up going up a bit lol.

 

 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/82673616

 

[Mr. Fox]

32 minutes ago, KING19 said:

I decided to update my NVIDIA drivers for once the other day to 526.47 because of the DX12 performance increase in games and my score end up going up a bit lol.

 

 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/82673616

 

Tiny, but measurable. https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/32438399/spy/32438674

[tps3443]

@Mr. Fox you were right. The Rockitcool IHS wings do not fit. And the IHS is literally crooked inside the thermal right frame. I took a steel file and in just a couple minutes I got it to fit perfectly! I can’t believe my temps were as good as they were when the IHS wasn’t even touching the freaking die LOL. It was merely floating above it and dipped in LM puddle I guess. 

[tps3443]

I seriously regret deliding my 13900KF everything went smooth with that, but it’s other stuff that ruins the experience and makes me question that decision. What a waste of time and money this has been. I spent $90 dollars with shipping for a delid tool and IHS to run it the proper way. And Rockitcool is just an idiot for not even test fitting their Copper IHS inside of the bend correction frames to begin with. I mean, they are just complete idiots for selling this stuff at all, do they not realize that people could potentially destroy their processors just by mounting their crap IHS with a thermal right bend frame? No matter what I do, I always end up running something ghetto in the end I swear lol. Delidding my cpu wasn’t enough, I’ve got to file down the pretty copper IHS to make it fit at all. Once I filed it down to make it fit the Bending frame. The bending frame holes do not line up with the motherboard holes. So now I can’t screw down my CPU at all..

 

As always here we are. My cpu is running in my PC, but I have (4) screws in my hand. Can anyone guess what screws those are lol? 
 

 

ROCKITCOOL YOU SUCK! I’m gonna run out of liquid metal continuously removing my cpu and remounting like a crazy person and discovering another issue yet again. 
 

I’m about to ditch the IHS all together and try that. No ILM, no frame, just bare die on block.. That worked great with my past CPU’s. And I have it running at the moment only an IHS and frame that’s not even screwed down under my water block. No memory channel issues, or anything like that. Only my water block presses my cpu down and it’s working on the first try. 

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I seriously regret deliding my 13900KF everything went smooth with that, but it’s other stuff that ruins the experience and makes me question that decision. What a waste of time and money this has been. I spent $90 dollars with shipping for a delid tool and IHS to run it the proper way. And Rockitcool is just an idiot for not even test fitting their Copper IHS inside of the bend correction frames to begin with. I mean, they are just complete idiots for selling this stuff at all, do they not realize that people could potentially destroy their processors just by mounting their crap IHS with a thermal right bend frame? No matter what I do, I always end up running something ghetto in the end I swear lol. Delidding my cpu wasn’t enough, I’ve got to file down the pretty copper IHS to make it fit at all. Once I filed it down to make it fit the Bending frame. The bending frame holes do not line up with the motherboard holes. So now I can’t screw down my CPU at all..

 

As always here we are. My cpu is running in my PC, but I have (4) screws in my hand. Can anyone guess what screws those are lol? 
 

 

ROCKITCOOL YOU SUCK! I’m gonna run out of liquid metal continuously removing my cpu and remounting like a crazy person and discovering another issue yet again. 
 

I’m about to ditch the IHS all together and try that. No ILM, no frame, just bare die on block.. That worked great with my past CPU’s. And I have it running at the moment only an IHS and frame that’s not even screwed down under my water block. No memory channel issues, or anything like that. Only my water block presses my cpu down and it’s working on the first try. 

We'll talk about the people that told you that it fits right... How smart are they? Yeah you lost a little bit of money but I think it probably sucks more to be them. Did the delid tool bugger up your stock IHS like it did all of mine? It almost seems like Intel improved their soldering process because delidding helped my 12th Gen processors as much as it did all the prior generations.. 

 

Just put the stock IHS back on and be done with it.

[Papusan]

Have asked about buying this board on the second-hand market. I'll see if I can get it. Under half price vs new (barely used). Support DDR4 and not DDR5 but this should not be a problem. I am going to set up a reasonable gaming machine for my eldest son. Any suggestions on OK DDR4 (32GB)kit? Need to be a kit from the QVL list. My son will use it for gaming and for the usual on the web. He is not a tweaker. The board will cost around $160 here home. New is +350$. Yep it's an Asrock Z690 Extreme but an older used Asus Z390/Z490 board is at same or sligtly higher price here on the used market. So the price ain't bad. And he will get my golden 12900K and cooling for cheap. Target is Cyberpunk at 1440P with a mid end graphics card.

 

 

 

Edit. I'm looking at led strips to have some lighs in my chassis. All white. No need for color change features or installing awful software to make it work.

 

I have this option here home... akasa Vegas LED Strip Light White Bundle

 

Corsair 1000D is a big chassis. The Akasa led strips above is only 50 cm long (without connectors). I'll need 60 cm long led strips to fill each side (without connectors). Any suggestions? Cheap, all white and bright. Most likely brand name due limited parts supply here home. And I I prefer Magnetic attachment. Thanks

 

[tps3443]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

We'll talk about the people that told you that it fits right... How smart are they? Yeah you lost a little bit of money but I think it probably sucks more to be them. Did the delid tool bugger up your stock IHS like it did all of mine? It almost seems like Intel improved their soldering process because delidding helped my 12th Gen processors as much as it did all the prior generations.. 

 

Just put the stock IHS back on and be done with it.

This is the solution 100%. ^^^

 

I was already in the process. Before I read your post. I polished the inside up the IHS with Fritz. Sanded down the lip of the IHS so it spun on the die like silk. Then LMed the inner IHS until it was soaked to the max and reach an equilibrium. LMed the die and rubbed it to death so I know it’ll be good and painted on to the die, and it’ll last longer than the life of the chip. I put my adhesive in tiny dabs on the corners and wings then I put it in the relidding clamp. Which does seem to line it up properly at least. 
 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

This is the solution 100%. ^^^

 

I was already in the process. Before I read your post. I polished the inside up the IHS with Fritz. Sanded down the lip of the IHS so it spun on the die like silk. Then LMed the inner IHS until it was soaked to the max and reach an equilibrium. LMed the die and rubbed it to death so I know it’ll be good and painted on to the die, and it’ll last longer than the life of the chip. I put my adhesive in tiny dabs on the corners and wings then I put it in the relidding clamp. Which does seem to line it up properly at least. 
 

 

 

FWIW I have always had better temps with the stock IHS than I have with the Rockitcool copper IHS. I have used them to avoid destroying the markings on the stock IHS, but the temps are usually a degree or two higher. I always looked at it like I already shaved 10-20°C off the load temps by delidding, so I can  afford to take a step backwards 1 or 2°C for the purpose of keeping the stock IHS like new.

[tps3443]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

FWIW I have always had better temps with the stock IHS than I have with the Rockitcool copper IHS. I have used them to avoid destroying the markings on the stock IHS, but the temps are usually a degree or two higher. I always looked at it like I already shaved 10-20°C off the load temps by delidding, so I can  afford to take a step backwards 1 or 2°C for the purpose of keeping the stock IHS like new.

Check out my temps after the relid and seal using the stock IHS. I am very very impressed by this! Water temp as you can see is 25C. I have also had bad luck with using copper IHS's. I tried them with 7980XE, and an 8086K. They just suck.. Stock IHS is KING! Anyways, this delid helped core to core temps drastically. I also reglued the IHS, and made it looks as clean as it can be. It looks OEM 100%. I am happy again with it at least. This is the best the temps have ever been. I’m using TF7 thermal paste too which is surprising how good my temps are. 



 

[jaybee83]

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

The parameters are different this time around. We are back to Turing conditions. No Crypto-boom along with no Pandemic or logistical conditions deriving thereof. Tomorrow will be officially one month since 4090 launch.

 

What we saw before was AMD and Nvidia weren't holding anything back. They were literally pumping out as many GPUs as possible and still couldn't keep anything in stock.

 

Unless something suddenly introduces new conditions (TSMC issues or another crypto-boom being the biggest potentials), all the perceived "holding back" will not stop the demand curve from shrinking unlike before where it was impossible to exhaust because even at inflated prices slamming any decent GPU into a rig was a money making device.

 

If/when 4090 prices suddenly jump and move consistently > $3k on eBay/StockX then you will know we are somewhat in previous conditions.

 

So many variables are against previous market conditions repeating themselves but like I said before the scarcity PTSD from 2019 to early 2022 still linger.

 

~Feb 2023 will be the first checksum on market conditions.

 

 

 

hoping ure right my man! 100% do 😁

 

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The people that like SFF computers might appreciate this.

 

 

 

yep saw that vid and thought to myseld: now thats the option for former highend true DTR fans nowadays.

 

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

@Mr. Fox you were right. The Rockitcool IHS wings do not fit. And the IHS is literally crooked inside the thermal right frame. I took a steel file and in just a couple minutes I got it to fit perfectly! I can’t believe my temps were as good as they were when the IHS wasn’t even touching the freaking die LOL. It was merely floating above it and dipped in LM puddle I guess. 

 

aw man watch out for that LM puddle, ive done similarly myself and got good temps cuz the cpu ihs was literally swimming in LM lol. be very careful, those LM droplets can fly everywhere and destroy everything they touch 😅

[Mr. Fox]

Getting a little bit closer. Banshee isn't going to have to swim in his on own radiator farts too much longer.

 

[tps3443]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Getting a little bit closer. Banshee isn't going to have to swim in his on own radiator farts too much longer.

 

 

What are your thoughts on the Pora3? 😁

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

What are your thoughts on the Pora3? 😁

It looks good and I have no doubt it is going to be great. I won't know with 100% certainty until it is hooked up, but there is no reason to expect anything short of excellent.

 

Getting ready to swap out the mobo now and pull the pumps and rads out of the 5000D.