Official Clevo X170SM-G Thread

[srs2236]

5 hours ago, MaxxD said:

 

Yes, stable! TimeSpy is one of those "GPU" tests that throws you out if there is a lot of OC.

For me it was different. TimeSpy ran with +130MHz on Core OC but during many real life tests in games the final stable value was only +85MHz🥲 but this is with my 3080. I remember my 2080 could do +145MHz stable aswell so might be a 2080 thing.

[FTW_260]

22 hours ago, MaxxD said:

When can we expect this detailed test of the product?

Hopefully this weekend.

[MaxxD]

51 minutes ago, FTW_260 said:

Hopefully this weekend.

 

I would be interested in the "water pump kit" (?)

What does it look like? Is it simple, or is it difficult to purchase, does it have to be built separately, or is it also compact?

[FTW_260]

@MaxxD I'll describe everything in more detail when I get the kit in my hands.

[MaxxD]

On 1/19/2023 at 8:21 PM, FTW_260 said:

@MaxxD I'll describe everything in more detail when I get the kit in my hands.

 

I would be interested in the pipe connection that connects to the laptop water heatsink. Looking at it, it's just a plain connector (pipe), which is not special looking at the picture. Opinion?

 

 

I have an original spare complete cooler for the X170 machine and both (CPU and GPU parts) are polished. CPU was delideled a year ago.

 

 

 

I use a washer under the screw, so the surface is not worn by the spring part of the screw. I also received special screws from a laptop service friend. (I have not used it yet - the original screw is still in use) I also have the original screws (full set) because the German XMG/Schenker was the source of purchase.

 

 

(poliamid screw washer)

 

and full screw set to X170 (series)

 

 

 

special screw

 

 

I'm really thinking about getting this kind of water heatsink and I would add a controller (pump, radiator, fan, etc.) to it, but I'm a little afraid that it would just be a waste of money... 😒😔

[Clamibot]

8 hours ago, MaxxD said:

 

I would be interested in the pipe connection that connects to the laptop water heatsink. Looking at it, it's just a plain connector (pipe), which is not special looking at the picture. Opinion?

 

 

I have an original spare complete cooler for the X170 machine and both (CPU and GPU parts) are polished. CPU was delideled a year ago.

 

 

 

I use a washer under the screw, so the surface is not worn by the spring part of the screw. I also received special screws from a laptop service friend. (I have not used it yet - the original screw is still in use) I also have the original screws (full set) because the German XMG/Schenker was the source of purchase.

 

 

(poliamid screw washer)

 

and full screw set to X170 (series)

 

 

 

special screw

 

 

I'm really thinking about getting this kind of water heatsink and I would add a controller (pump, radiator, fan, etc.) to it, but I'm a little afraid that it would just be a waste of money... 😒😔

 

Those connectors are just regular connectors. Water will drain out of them once you unplug the laptop from your cusom loop. I know quick release fittings exist which would remedy that problem, but I'm unsure if they will fit on top of those connectors. I'd be great if they did fit though as quick release disconnects would make your custom loop plug and play with the laptop.

 

As for the effectiveness of the hybrid air/water heatsink, I imagine it would be a significant upgrade over the stock one, especially if you use a water chiller in your custom loop. The only downside is the massive upfront cost of doing such a custom loop. However, if you reuse the loop with future systems, it's worth it as you can consider it an investment in your current and future machines.

 

Having said all of this, the heatsink is definitely not worth it if you aren't planing to push this laptop to the max. However if you are planning to do so and are planning to reuse the custom loop in something else in the future, then yes it may be worth it. It all depends on what you want.

[ssj92]

If upgrading from 20 series to 30 series, gpu power cable is the same correct?

[MaxxD]

15 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

Those connectors are just regular connectors. Water will drain out of them once you unplug the laptop from your cusom loop. I know quick release fittings exist which would remedy that problem, but I'm unsure if they will fit on top of those connectors. I'd be great if they did fit though as quick release disconnects would make your custom loop plug and play with the laptop.

 

As for the effectiveness of the hybrid air/water heatsink, I imagine it would be a significant upgrade over the stock one, especially if you use a water chiller in your custom loop. The only downside is the massive upfront cost of doing such a custom loop. However, if you reuse the loop with future systems, it's worth it as you can consider it an investment in your current and future machines.

 

Having said all of this, the heatsink is definitely not worth it if you aren't planing to push this laptop to the max. However if you are planning to do so and are planning to reuse the custom loop in something else in the future, then yes it may be worth it. It all depends on what you want.

 

Yes, unfortunately that's how I see this thing, so from a distance and I didn't have it in my hands. 

They don't hold out much hope. 

I don't think I'll buy it knowing that, because I'd just be stuck with it! 

I don't understand why the person who designed and manufactured this didn't think of the right connection?

That would have been very important! 😢

[srs2236]

7 hours ago, ssj92 said:

If upgrading from 20 series to 30 series, gpu power cable is the same correct?

I think so yes, because for my P775 the cable fit just fine.

[ymsv]

3 hours ago, MaxxD said:

 

Yes, unfortunately that's how I see this thing, so from a distance and I didn't have it in my hands. 

They don't hold out much hope. 

I don't think I'll buy it knowing that, because I'd just be stuck with it! 

I don't understand why the person who designed and manufactured this didn't think of the right connection?

That would have been very important! 😢

 

One solution is if they can be made to use a XMG OASIS . 

 

[MaxxD]

5 hours ago, ymsv said:

 

One solution is if they can be made to use a XMG OASIS . 

 

 

Unfortunately, it is not compatible with it, nor with the X170 model.

[FTW_260]

Hi all!
A short report l about the Chinese liquid heatsink.
I received the package the day before yesterday, and was busy almost all this time. Just an hour ago, I finished the installation, all the thermal pads job, and ran a short test in the BF2042. The result is impressive. 
At standard fan speeds (when you can’t hear them at all, + the pump for the liquid circuit is on) for an hour of playing, I got the following temperatures:
GPU (200W): maximum 60 degrees.
CPU (140W, 4.6Ghz, without limits): 70 degrees max.
And once again - the laptop fans practically do not work, the laptop is not audible at all. Only the pump is barely buzzing, and the fans on the liquid heatsink run at about 1.2k rpm.
In more detail, with photos, and also with information about quick-release fittings, (which I also ordered ) I hope that I will tell you in the coming days. 
I'm sorry for the delay.

And yes, it's really heavy.

[MiRaGe]

Which trader is the best on AliExpress for those heatsink (both for P775TM1, they both look the same, but one of is listed for 100€ less)?

 

€ 241,03  20％ Rabatt | DIY wasser Luft/wind kühlung heasink heizkörper upgrade für Hasee GX8 G1 Terraner Kraft X711 shinelon V87 GTX10 RTX2080 RTX30 RTX3080
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJWkHa9
 

€ 359,74 | Laptop Stärken wasser kühlung Kühlkörper Für CLEVO P775TM P775 P775TM-G P775TM1-G Kompatibel mit GTX RTX Neue Luft/wasser kühlung
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EGF3sfb

[1610ftw]

4 hours ago, FTW_260 said:

Hi all!
A short report l about the Chinese liquid heatsink.
I received the package the day before yesterday, and was busy almost all this time. Just an hour ago, I finished the installation, all the thermal pads job, and ran a short test in the BF2042. The result is impressive. 
At standard fan speeds (when you can’t hear them at all, + the pump for the liquid circuit is on) for an hour of playing, I got the following temperatures:
GPU (200W): maximum 60 degrees.
CPU (140W, 4.6Ghz, without limits): 70 degrees max.
And once again - the laptop fans practically do not work, the laptop is not audible at all. Only the pump is barely buzzing, and the fans on the liquid heatsink run at about 1.2k rpm.
In more detail, with photos, and also with information about quick-release fittings, (which I also ordered ) I hope that I will tell you in the coming days. 
I'm sorry for the delay.

And yes, it's really heavy.

 

Thanks for the report - impressive temps!

 

Can you please let us also have the weight of the stock heat sink for comparison?

And I take it that this is in kg?

 

[FTW_260]

@MiRaGeI bought directly from Taobao, at a price two times lower than on Aliexpress. I think it's worth buying from a seller where it's cheaper.

@1610ftwYes, these are grams in the photo. (1.25kg)

I will weigh the standard heatsink and update the message in the evening.

[MaxxD]

11 hours ago, FTW_260 said:

Hi all!
A short report l about the Chinese liquid heatsink.
I received the package the day before yesterday, and was busy almost all this time. Just an hour ago, I finished the installation, all the thermal pads job, and ran a short test in the BF2042. The result is impressive. 
At standard fan speeds (when you can’t hear them at all, + the pump for the liquid circuit is on) for an hour of playing, I got the following temperatures:
GPU (200W): maximum 60 degrees.
CPU (140W, 4.6Ghz, without limits): 70 degrees max.
And once again - the laptop fans practically do not work, the laptop is not audible at all. Only the pump is barely buzzing, and the fans on the liquid heatsink run at about 1.2k rpm.
In more detail, with photos, and also with information about quick-release fittings, (which I also ordered ) I hope that I will tell you in the coming days. 
I'm sorry for the delay.

And yes, it's really heavy.

 

Thank You! Is this better than the Aliexpress version or the same? I would be interested in a water pipe connection, do you have a picture of it? (empty and after connecting the pipe?)

 

2 hours ago, FTW_260 said:

@MiRaGeI bought directly from Taobao, at a price two times lower than on Aliexpress. I think it's worth buying from a seller where it's cheaper.

@1610ftwYes, these are grams in the photo. (1.25kg)

I will weigh the standard heatsink and update the message in the evening.

 

Can I also order from there to the EU?

[FTW_260]

@1610ftw The weight of a standard heatsink is 688 grams.

 

I will describe the whole process in more detail.
I bought a heatsink, pump, and quick-release fittings in one store - *link*

The total delivery time from the seller in China to receipt is 2.5 months.

The cost of the components themselves: $137 for the heatsink + $65 for the pump and $15 for the fittings.

 

Initially, I received the heatsink mutilated at the edges, with curved side heat pipes and crumpled fan covers.
For about two hours, with the help of my hands and additional heating, I was engaged in restoring the geometry of the heatsink. It was so crooked that I had to use my whole body weight to get it back to normal. In the end, everything went almost successfully. Leave small dents, but I think it's nonsense. 

 

Additional accessories for the heat sink werelonger screws, a few large pieces of thermal pads (not sure of their quality), and caps for the fluid holes. (required while carrying the laptop)
The liquid pump is a standard 240mm aluminum radiator, with two 120mm fans, to which the pump itself with a water tank is attached through a plastic plate and special washers. All this was rather carelessly assembled, and I disassembled everything completely, and reassembled 

 

Quick-release fittings consist of two parts - one is screwed directly into the heatsink, and a water hose is put on the second part. By turning 180 degrees, both parts are securely fixed and disassembled in the same way. Inside there is a valve that is pressed by a powerful spring, so when you connect / disconnect the connectors, not a single drop of water leaks. Very comfortably. 

 

By default, these fittings are not supplied with the heat sink and must be purchased separately!

 

With the main task of efficient cooling, this system copes perfectly well, and even without liquid, the result was better than with a standard heatsink.

I can finally play in silence 

 

[1610ftw]

2 hours ago, FTW_260 said:

@1610ftw The weight of a standard heatsink is 688 grams.

 

I will describe the whole process in more detail.
I bought a heatsink, pump, and quick-release fittings in one store - *link*

The total delivery time from the seller in China to receipt is 2.5 months.

The cost of the components themselves: $137 for the heatsink + $65 for the pump and $15 for the fittings.

 

Initially, I received the heatsink mutilated at the edges, with curved side heat pipes and crumpled fan covers.
For about two hours, with the help of my hands and additional heating, I was engaged in restoring the geometry of the heatsink. It was so crooked that I had to use my whole body weight to get it back to normal. In the end, everything went almost successfully. Leave small dents, but I think it's nonsense. 

 

Additional accessories for the heat sink werelonger screws, a few large pieces of thermal pads (not sure of their quality), and caps for the fluid holes. (required while carrying the laptop)
The liquid pump is a standard 240mm aluminum radiator, with two 120mm fans, to which the pump itself with a water tank is attached through a plastic plate and special washers. All this was rather carelessly assembled, and I disassembled everything completely, and reassembled 

 

Quick-release fittings consist of two parts - one is screwed directly into the heatsink, and a water hose is put on the second part. By turning 180 degrees, both parts are securely fixed and disassembled in the same way. Inside there is a valve that is pressed by a powerful spring, so when you connect / disconnect the connectors, not a single drop of water leaks. Very comfortably. 

 

By default, these fittings are not supplied with the heat sink and must be purchased separately!

 

With the main task of efficient cooling, this system copes perfectly well, and even without liquid, the result was better than with a standard heatsink.

I can finally play in silence 

 

 

Thanks a lot for the detailed post - the price and performance sounds great, the weight not so much. The increase in weight moves the X170 into P870 territory, but with only one GPU!

 

Back to the time of the 11 lbs+ laptops when only real men could carry their laptops around 😄

 

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, FTW_260 said:

@1610ftw The weight of a standard heatsink is 688 grams.

 

I will describe the whole process in more detail.
I bought a heatsink, pump, and quick-release fittings in one store - *link*

The total delivery time from the seller in China to receipt is 2.5 months.

The cost of the components themselves: $137 for the heatsink + $65 for the pump and $15 for the fittings.

 

Initially, I received the heatsink mutilated at the edges, with curved side heat pipes and crumpled fan covers.
For about two hours, with the help of my hands and additional heating, I was engaged in restoring the geometry of the heatsink. It was so crooked that I had to use my whole body weight to get it back to normal. In the end, everything went almost successfully. Leave small dents, but I think it's nonsense. 

 

Additional accessories for the heat sink werelonger screws, a few large pieces of thermal pads (not sure of their quality), and caps for the fluid holes. (required while carrying the laptop)
The liquid pump is a standard 240mm aluminum radiator, with two 120mm fans, to which the pump itself with a water tank is attached through a plastic plate and special washers. All this was rather carelessly assembled, and I disassembled everything completely, and reassembled 

 

Quick-release fittings consist of two parts - one is screwed directly into the heatsink, and a water hose is put on the second part. By turning 180 degrees, both parts are securely fixed and disassembled in the same way. Inside there is a valve that is pressed by a powerful spring, so when you connect / disconnect the connectors, not a single drop of water leaks. Very comfortably. 

 

By default, these fittings are not supplied with the heat sink and must be purchased separately!

 

With the main task of efficient cooling, this system copes perfectly well, and even without liquid, the result was better than with a standard heatsink.

I can finally play in silence 

 

 

Awesome to finally see it purchased and in action, thanks!

 

Do you have hard data of your original heatsink vs the newer/beefier heatsink in regards to temps? I'd be curious to see the original heatsink vs the new heatsink (no water) vs the new heatsink (water engaged) if possible.

 

I know getting those fans under control is always a blessing. 🙂

 

 

[Bidelloman]

how normal is a gpu hotspot of around 90 to 92 C ? (2080s @0.975 2085Mhz and 10600k) while the gpu temp sits at least 15C below? After many cleansings and changings of LM i'm thinking it's the old stock pads that maybe aren't up to scratch

[electrosoft]

On 1/24/2023 at 4:18 AM, joe4kyo said:

how normal is a gpu hotspot of around 90 to 92 C ? (2080s @0.975 2085Mhz and 10600k) while the gpu temp sits at least 15C below? After many cleansings and changings of LM i'm thinking it's the old stock pads that maybe aren't up to scratch

 

Your hotspot should be around ~76 and GPU around ~65:

 

 

If your temps are that out of bounds, try switching to a thicker thermal paste not LM. The problem could be contact issues and if you don't have an optimal pairing LM and it's very thin nature is a liability instead of an advantage. For LM to truly shine you need to make absolute sure your pairing is tight and optimal and on laptops that is sometimes hard to achieve.

 

 

[electrosoft]

Got my X170SM-G back today.

 

Absolutely loved the tech (Matt) assigned to it. Friendly, knowledgeable, in constant contact and this wasn't his first rodeo with X170SM-G units. He is the type of tech you hope gets assigned to your repair.

 

After further diagnosis, both the Motherboard AND GPU were shot.

 

I had asked to get rid of the K5 Pro gunk of death if possible.

 

Ended up replacing the motherboard, GPU and heatsink (yay no more shiny former LM spots to deal with). Also returned it to 100% thermal pads (no K5 anywhere). He was also kind enough to send back my bad 2080 Super too. I wish all techs were like this.

 

I swapped back in my Golden 10900k and it booted right back up to my original Raid 0 (256GB x 2) diagnostic install.

 

Bad news is no Prema on the replacement board so I'll have to contact him on that but considering @ssj92 bought a new (ish) X170SM-G from them and no Prema or Prema listed on their site for some time it looks like they may not be doing setups/flashes with Prema anymore.

 

Since it has a new heatsink, it doesn't have any of the original mods on it which is fine.  I don't miss finding little tiny globs of LM from the initial config from ZtecPC in all types of hidden nooks when they switched it back to traditional paste.

 

The way the unit looks, I'd almost think parts of the chassis are new too. It looks great!

 

FYI the new old stock 2080S they ordered from Clevo direct  is dated December 2020 so that gives you an idea of when Clevo started to ramp down production of cards most likely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Clamibot]

On 1/23/2023 at 2:19 PM, FTW_260 said:

@1610ftw The weight of a standard heatsink is 688 grams.

 

I will describe the whole process in more detail.
I bought a heatsink, pump, and quick-release fittings in one store - *link*

The total delivery time from the seller in China to receipt is 2.5 months.

The cost of the components themselves: $137 for the heatsink + $65 for the pump and $15 for the fittings.

 

Initially, I received the heatsink mutilated at the edges, with curved side heat pipes and crumpled fan covers.
For about two hours, with the help of my hands and additional heating, I was engaged in restoring the geometry of the heatsink. It was so crooked that I had to use my whole body weight to get it back to normal. In the end, everything went almost successfully. Leave small dents, but I think it's nonsense. 

 

Additional accessories for the heat sink werelonger screws, a few large pieces of thermal pads (not sure of their quality), and caps for the fluid holes. (required while carrying the laptop)
The liquid pump is a standard 240mm aluminum radiator, with two 120mm fans, to which the pump itself with a water tank is attached through a plastic plate and special washers. All this was rather carelessly assembled, and I disassembled everything completely, and reassembled 

 

Quick-release fittings consist of two parts - one is screwed directly into the heatsink, and a water hose is put on the second part. By turning 180 degrees, both parts are securely fixed and disassembled in the same way. Inside there is a valve that is pressed by a powerful spring, so when you connect / disconnect the connectors, not a single drop of water leaks. Very comfortably. 

 

By default, these fittings are not supplied with the heat sink and must be purchased separately!

 

With the main task of efficient cooling, this system copes perfectly well, and even without liquid, the result was better than with a standard heatsink.

I can finally play in silence 

 

 

The CPU side of the custom air/water unified heatsink looks a lot beefier than the stock one. I'd imagine this heatsink yields better thermals on the CPU than even the modded zTecpc heatsink.

[FTW_260]

@ClamibotYes, I did all three modifications, and yes, the standard heat sink still loses.(

[Bidelloman]

15 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Your hotspot should be around ~76 and GPU around ~65:

 

 

If your temps are that out of bounds, try switching to a thicker thermal paste not LM. The problem could be contact issues and if you don't have an optimal pairing LM and it's very thin nature is a liability instead of an advantage. For LM to truly shine you need to make absolute sure your pairing is tight and optimal and on laptops that is sometimes hard to achieve.

 

 

even after cleaning away the LM and replacing it with phobya, same thing's happening

 

Small note, there were 2 double pads on one of the gpu memory sides, dunno why.

 

I should also say that not matter how much I tried, I couldn't restore the entire reddish copper colour on the vapor chamber, used alcohol, the solver I used to remove the stock tim on the cpu and fritz polish afterwards but there are still some uneven bits.