clevo p870tm/tm1-g Official Clevo P870TM-G Thread

[MiRaGe]

On 5/22/2023 at 10:37 AM, Developer79 said:

My new Test: Horizon Zero Dawn (exactly same Settings)

Laptop(P870TM RTX 3080) vs. Laptop(MSI Stealth 17 RTX 4080)

 

The top picture is the P870TM:

 

I think the main difference come from the fact that MSI Stealth 17 has 105W (+25W) RTX 4080. 

there is no way for RTX 3080 to be faster than 150W (+25W) RTX 4080 or even close…

[Developer79]

12 hours ago, MiRaGe said:

I think the main difference come from the fact that MSI Stealth 17 has 105W (+25W) RTX 4080. 

there is no way for RTX 3080 to be faster than 150W (+25W) RTX 4080 or even close…

Hi,
this is just one example laptop of many! I test all kinds of laptops against each other! All the pictures I have shown are all different laptops with different performance classes. Unfortunately you can find little well documented test on Youtube on the new RTX4080/90 laptops. Can I also understand, they want to sell the new Lapotps!!! Even at Notebookcheck.com, some results can be poorly understood! In any case, the exact information is not always made or sometimes you have to rely on the information given! Often you also do not know in which scene the values were determined! I always try to find good comparisons, which you can understand yourself. But that is often difficult, because the testers reveal all the details. Only in Youtube videos you can understand well!

 

Greetz:-)

[Developer79]

Here is a quick test comparing Notebookcheck and Cyberpunk:
However, I don't know how Notebookcheck comes up with this average value!!!! They don't give exact test conditions!!!! I think it's a bit dishonest to people not to reveal exact test details!!! I can only run the standard benchmark myself and compare like this. I think an average of 5 FPS slower with an RTX4080 175W is not bad, if the test conditions were the same!!!

[Developer79]

Here is another test from someone independent on Youtube. You can see all the settings and apply them exactly the same way. Gaming performance is identical for the comparison and the P870TM / RTX3080 / 9900KS performs equally fast to the RTX4080 at 175W / Intel Core i9-13900HX!!!!

The comparisons rather show the picture, the RTX4080 performs on the old RTX3080 MXM level! The RTX4090 laptop is slightly faster than a RTX3080 MXM! With DLSS 3.0 comes even more distortion to it and brings only in the supported games extra performance. All old games remain rather the same speed compared to the RTX 3080 MXM!

 

[srs2236]

17 hours ago, MiRaGe said:

I think the main difference come from the fact that MSI Stealth 17 has 105W (+25W) RTX 4080. 

there is no way for RTX 3080 to be faster than 150W (+25W) RTX 4080 or even close…

I also agree with the latter statement and call BS on some of those benchmarks. I might be wrong just my opinion.

[Developer79]

20 hours ago, srs2236 said:

I also agree with the latter statement and call BS on some of those benchmarks. I might be wrong just my opinion.

Yes, I agree that the benchmarks are somewhat changed so that the new laptops RTX40xx looks good! Anyway, that's my experience in measurements:-) You must also remember that an MXM card would generate more reading. But because everything is basically soldered there is more interference and influence!

[Developer79]

I have a comparison here between Computerbase and my tests on Cyberpunk. The exact settings are documented here. Take a look at the amazing results! The P870TM / RTX3080 / 9900KS performs better in raytracing than without! With raytracing, the P870TM / RTX3080 is almost 20 FPS faster than an RTX4090 and without it is about the same, maybe about 5FPS slower!

[Scruffy]

4090 superposition 1080p high

 

4090 superposition 4k optimized

 

test made with alienware m16. my stock 3080 with 9700k @4.6ghz score 16,5k on 1080p high and around 8000 at 4k

 

[MiRaGe]

massive difference!!!

my 2080 200W +170/+250 scores 16,5k on 1080p high too.

 

[srs2236]

5 hours ago, MiRaGe said:

massive difference!!!

my 2080 200W +170/+250 scores 16,5k on 1080p high too.

 

Yeah, when I said I call BS on some of those benchmarks I meant that the 4080/4090 is still much better than 3080. IDK what the hell is going on but there is no chance that the 3080 is better than 4080. Again, just my opinion, I don't own 40 series nor have fully studied the benchmarks.. Just purely by the specs its just superior in everyway unless maybe 4K performance because of the 12GB ram limitation but idk...

[ViktorV]

On 6/10/2023 at 7:11 PM, Developer79 said:

Hi,
again basically. You don't necessarily need a Dsanke bios to upgrade to RTX30xx series. Everything works without!!! The Dsanke only enables the detection of the RTX30xx series in the system bios and support as a system-associated graphics card! That's all. As I said, but basically the Dsanke bios does not have to be on the computer!!!
There is no RTX3090 from clevo! It only goes up to the RTX3080 series in MXM format! Then it's over.
Yes, the P870xx is one of the best laptops ever in my opinion. My current project goes worldwide only with the machine no other laptop offers so much scope for upgrades!...

Also, my tests comparing it to the latest RTX4080 generation show that the P870 with RTX3080 is still faster! Only the RTX4090 series is slightly faster and depends on config of the laptop! There you see again the advertising that blinds people!:-)

Greetz:-)

Bios for rtx30 is not bios from Dsanke, we just took his mod as a basis and added support for rtx30))))

[ViktorV]

rtx2080super mxm 16g gddr) 200w tgp

[ViktorV]

rtx3080ti 16g mxm in the project)))

[srs2236]

57 minutes ago, ViktorV said:

rtx3080ti 16g mxm in the project)))

Niiice, I wanted to do this myself 😂

 

The pinout is the same, it is a matter of ordering the IC, desoldering 3080/soldering 3080 Ti on the 3080 MXM PCB and flashing one of the Clevo 3080 Ti VBIOS!

 

I litterally was looking for the IC's today. Let us know how it goes! I ļike to believe it's doable 100%!

[ryan]

14 hours ago, Scruffy said:

4090 superposition 1080p high

 

4090 superposition 4k optimized

 

test made with alienware m16. my stock 3080 with 9700k @4.6ghz score 16,5k on 1080p high and around 8000 at 4k

 

more the double my 3060. man im jealous of you guys.

just ran 8k optimised and got just over 3000

[Developer79]

I did another test with Guardians of the Galaxy. I found well comprehensible settings at Computerbase. Comparing the P870TM / RTX 3080 with the RTX 4080 4090 laptop now shows that the RTX3080 performs on the level of an RTX4080. In both settings with ray tracing and without, the whole thing is as just described. The RTX3080 is about as fast as the RTX4080. The RTX4090 is always a bit faster in the game.

 

[Developer79]

I don't know why most people are so surprised when comparing the RTX3080MXM with the RTX4080 4090 laptop! It has always been the case that the laptop versions are somewhat weaker than the desktop versions in the same generation. The performance values of the RTX4080 4090 laptop are also electrically reduced compared to the desktop version. Then there is the influence that they are no longer MXM laptops. With an MXM card, the electrical influence is separated to a port with a certain distance to the rest. The electromagnetic influence is then lower.

[jluo1336]

On 10/5/2022 at 9:45 PM, ViktorV said:

Gallery of modifications Clevo p870tm

@ViktorV Where did you get the copper heatsinks and the blocks from? Are they on TaoBao/AliExpress? Also, how did you get the Evangelion skin on it? It looks so sick!

[Developer79]

On 7/13/2023 at 9:58 PM, jluo1336 said:

Where did you get the copper heatsinks and the blocks from?

You don't have to have the copper heatsink. There are also adapters to continue using the original heatsink. The temperatures are at full load with me between 55-60 degrees with the air cooling and RTX3080. See pictures in the thread. I think this cooling performance can be seen:-)

[Scruffy]

On 7/13/2023 at 9:58 PM, jluo1336 said:

@ViktorV Where did you get the copper heatsinks and the blocks from? Are they on TaoBao/AliExpress? Also, how did you get the Evangelion skin on it? It looks so sick!

this exact heatsink was used by a russian dude... it reported to have high temperature on full load when only with air cooling mode. that's because it's not made of full copper and it has 2 heatpite each gpu side... too few for better performance.

 

it's on yt..... search for p870 rtx 3080... there are metro exodus test and u can see gpu temperature is really gigh. i talked to that guy on vk and he confirmed heatsink was expensive and he get gihg temperature.

 

for me best performance/price is the other heatsink viktor showed us in this thread.

for 100€ my heatsink is not that bad too 🙂

 

ps: about that 3080 with p870 score that are close or equal 4080-4090.... to get that score, massive overclock has to be done..... if an 3080 mobile score like 4080 mobile..... fair comparison would be compare overclocked cpu, overclocked gpu on both system....

 

 

[Developer79]

I mean of course the Vapourchamber for the P870Tm as cooling! This is the best air cooling ever with the RTX3080!!!

[Csupati]

On 6/22/2023 at 2:47 AM, ViktorV said:

Bios for rtx30 is not bios from Dsanke, we just took his mod as a basis and added support for rtx30))))

The bios mod is only for nvidia driver to support new hardware ID, we tested a 3080 in a 751dm2-g and its started without any issue and the internal screen worked , only the driver has to be modded . Its kind of same like the oldel Clevo /Alienware/MSI laptop where the old GTX 7-8xxM series was replaced with 9xxM or 10xx cards and you had to add the gpu hardware ID to the inf file. 

[cmgver]

Guys,

 

I will try to share as much experience gained as possible. Finally I managed to connect the 3090 ti to my p870tm-g using a m.2 to pcie converter. I connected the converter to the only m.2 that I had available, it is the one used for optane disks. I am using my screen connected directly to the 3090 ti. I got this adapter but I am planning to change it for the k43sg because is newer and it supports pcie 4 https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803093134104.html?aff_fcid=eb2bd4815b5e447d8e8ae81dbaa86663-1689688648425-04964-_DDbI7T

 

I didn't have to unlock the bios, but I had to disable the ACPI. I would have never found that if it wasn't for @MR007RM thank you man, you are the best 🙂

 

During that path @Tenoroon (1 million thanks) shared with me this link where you can get the latest Dsanke bios, the one using an external programmer as well as the one where you only need a flash drive and several steps described inside. https://files.catbox.moe/b9081g.zip

 

I even tried to get some help from Eurocom to get the unlocked bios, which they clearly have, but they wanted to charge me around $100 for that. Please buy used gear from Eurocom, they don't deserve to have good customers from this community.

 

Thank you @MR007RM and @Tenoroon for your invaluable help guys!!! You rock!!! Also thank you @ViktorV, @Developer79, @Scruffy, and @runix18 for so many advices to solve so many mysteries 🙂

 

I have a question that maybe you might help me solving: Do you know how can I make to enable both the 3090 ti using the converter, as well as the 1080 mxm installed in the laptop simultaneously? I know that in desktops you can do it, and our board is so similar that maybe that could work. It would be great to have both cards enabled, so I can plug more displays to work. Right now only the one connected to the 3090 ti is working, but I'd love to have also the one connected to the mini displayport.

 

Thank you guys!!!!!!!!

[Scruffy]

an rtx 3080 heatsink for that model made by you would be really appreciated 😄

 

till now im good with my home made one 🙂

[Eurocom Support Team]

1 hour ago, Scruffy said:

an rtx 3080 heatsink for that model made by you would be really appreciated 😄

 

till now im good with my home made one 🙂

we are working on this.