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I got the €1550 one for €1348. Yes it was expensive. I’m happy it’s the 2nd best though, and CENS not coming off the 1st best. But I would have gladly taken one of the cheaper ones too. I’m pretty surprised they all sold and went so quickly after a few people including my self bought the very first ones. You had to be fairly quick with his follow up sales post to grab one of the cheaper ones. I looked back in my emails, and saw that I bought my 13900KS in March of 2023. So I had a long run with a below average SP104 KS. I’ll keep this new chip until 15th gen. I’ll be able to get at least a good year out of it. Until 15th gen is out in the wild.

One of my friends bought CENS last R batch chip. He bought the P-SP117, E-SP84, and mcsp85, he paid €1,248 EUROS shipped. So about $1,350 USD. CENS tested over 65 CPU’s and every single one of them was an R batch. So, he was essentially binning and selling the very best, from the “Should be” very best chips. Very nice CPU though. And the prices for these chips are not bad at all, considering what retail US samples are looking like. You are essentially guaranteeing your self a very strong P/E core with low voltages and also a very strong IMC. 😎 I’m all for it! Buy once cry once. Unless KS comes out, then it’s buy once cry twice. 😂

This looks like a really tricky cpu to delid. Not just that, but you have 3 dies to clean and worry over lol. I’ve seen a few of these break after delids. I am starting to change my views on delidding. Of course it works amazingly well on some chips. But I have kind of realized that the gains are only +100Mhz for Intel chips. I am gonna give the stock IHS and stock Intel solder a solid chance with my new 14900KF. And if it’s great I am gonna leave it be. But if it is unsatisfactory, then I’m delidding it and going back to Supercool direct die cooling. I’d rather run the stock Intel IHS and stock Intel solder because of its longevity and consistency after long periods of time. Fingers crossed. With chilled water and lots of flow rate, you’d think it would work extremely well. (I hope so) 🙂

Got me a waterblock ready. This thing was disgusting inside from using some cheap pastel coolant with it in 2020. I had to sand it down to bare copper and make it completely flat. 400 dry sand 400 wet sand 600 dry sand 600 wet sand 1000 dry sand 1000 wet sand This block is as flat as flat can be. One thing I don’t have is proper mounting hardware. So, I had to use what I had. Using just long screws with plastic washers on each side to protect the motherboard. Hopefully this works okay.

I know! I’m ready to test it. It should be crazy strong. That P-SP128 KS would manage 1.274V at 6.0P/4.8E which is still righteously good. While I have seen a SP103 R-batch 14900K with direct die and 14C water managing 1.205V. So, I think SUB 1.200V load voltage for 6Ghz is already going to be easy. And absolutely SUB 1.100V load for 5.8Ghz. I have a waterblock that I cleaned up for it ready to go already lapped it flat. If I’m happy with it, I may not even delid it. It shouldn’t need it with 13-14C water.

I delidded and tested two different SP117’s from two different people. Unfortunately I was using a MSI Unify-X Z690 right at the time frame. So no bios VID’s. I did make videos of both chips though, if anything useful can be gathered from that. This was a (SP117 KS) This chip has P-SP128 P-Cores . It ran 6.0/4.8/5.1 with around 1.274V load. It was a really nice CPU but quickly ran out of steam. I even told him I had tested better with lower SP, and he actually sold it apparently and bought another high bin. P-SP124 (SP117) (This P-SP124 was far better and it would run 6.1P/4.8E/5.1R with 1.298V. This was a crazy expensive cpu from a Europe overclocker that a guy in the US bought. This chip was just very good. By far the best KS I have ever tested. I made two videos on the P-SP124 chip. At 5.8Ghz and at 6.1Ghz. @electrosoft I know the P-SP124 KS had 5.8 VID of 1.369V. I forget the others though. My P-SP121 13900K had a 1.363V 5.8 VID and the KS would just obliterate it. It was no comparison.

I always have fun looking at VID and SP ratings, and then speculate with mental overclocking on how good something may be. I’ve always enjoyed doing this. But who even knows how good any of these chips may be in real life haha. I got a masters degree in speculation man 🤣

Few things I want to mention why that chip would still be an utter monster though, not for You / Or @Mr. Foxthough lol. And someone would absolutely want to negotiate a better price if someone did buy it. Because it’s like 1,150 USD not including shipping 🤣 (1) The P-Cores are solid. It’s all good there. (2) The E-Core VID is based on 4.4Ghz. So we can’t compare that to a 13900KS. The IMC is only MCSP79, but this is a 14900K so it’s a smidge better. So DDR5 8200+ is a done deal 100%. @Mr. Fox Below is a 14900K R batch with no delid and its E-Core E-SP is only 86 🫣! And that beast is chugging Y-Cruncher 2.5B at 4.9Ghz on the E-Cores 🤯🤯🤯. Its E-Core VID is 1.299V. I’ve tested a (SP117 Global) 13900KS with E-Core SP of 103 and I couldn’t get it to run at 4.9Ghz with my chiller and direct die no matter what I did 😞 This tells us that a E-Core 85 on a 14900K is more than enough. I think 14th gen has seen a substantial improvement to the E-Core quality.

Does your E-Core voltage change when you set it to 4.4Ghz? If so, what is it?

Yes, I saw that. I think that SP106 chip CENS is selling would be a really solid chip for someone. What I’m really curious is how those E-Cores compare. Because my 13900KS has a E-Core VID of 1.324 with SP86 E-Cores, but that’s for 4.3Ghz. So if that SP106 chip is SP85 E-Cores and a lower VID of 1.304V that’s gotta still be really good because that is 4.4Ghz. So, those are still some really really good E-Cores probably. Maybe SP95 equivalent for 13900KS? As for the IMC SP I think that’s the main issue being mcsp 79, but people say it’s about +3 compared to 13900KS so I’m sure it could still rock DDR5 8200-8400 easily. I think the SP106 he is selling is a winner though. Maybe not the best IMC. But strong chip. And it’s not too crazy expensive.

Those 4090’s aren’t too bad of a value. I’d rather pay $1,200 for a 4080 Super with 20GB and be just a little slower though. But this $1,500-$1,600 is the new norm LOL. And yeah the 4090 is a tank. I should have bought one 😫

I am not liking the direction that supercool computer is going. Their new 14th gen DD design is $155. I already know my lapped 13th gen Supercool DD would slay it. Bigger is not better. More expensive is not better. His prices are scaling up, and the parts are getting fancier looking. I mean, I think it’s great. But dude we like the cheap direct die kit lol.

It’s easy to get the bug when buying retail chips. You start getting in that hunt mode. I’ve been there my self. I am blown away by Sugi’s 14900K. It’s a SP104/ MC87. This is what kinda pushed me to go for another chip. And that thing is running Y-Cruncher 2.5B at DDR5 8850c38 and some crazy tight timings. It has P-Core of just SP111, but it just hammers on direct die with a super good IMC. What an amazing CPU. That’s the one Asus sent him. Not the best by any means, but just a really well rounded chip. sugi0lover screenshot below. Look at that SP104 and MC87 just whooping DDR5 8850 below. It’s so impressive. @electrosoft @Mr. Fox

I believe it’s worth it buying a good chip and paying more than MSRP if it’s a really really top chip that offers what you want/need it is definitely okay doing this, It is also important to accept that your chip isn’t the best in the world lol. Most who sell golden chips have more than 1 golden chip because they’ve tested 50 or 100+ chips. They will obviously keep the very very best chip for themselves, and yeah it really sucks paying all that money for 2nd or even 3rd, but it saves you on the let down later, but when you’re after something specific what can we do? It’s difficult to buy 100+ chips our self and test them all this would be north of $55,000 USD all for a silly cpu. Finding that 2nd best or 3rd best or even worse is so rare already and very acceptable to me. It’s sad opening a new CPU only to see its IMC is a MCSP65 🤣 (Some dude got a MCSP55 once with a 14900K) I also know another guy who bought (3) 14900K’s, and (2) of them were P-SP117’s. It’s unknown what we get. I just want a decent chip that’ll stretch up to these numbers without struggling to do it. I find it hilarious that even just a (14900K) SP103 is like a total beast of a chip though. So being able to pay for something’s that has those super low VID’s and has a really good IMC its always the easier route. Check out Sugi’s friends binning chart on SP and MC findings he just posted up. The best option would be if we didn’t care at all, and we just all used turds for CPU’s and used DDR5 6000 😂 good to go! That’s how it was when I was younger.

@electrosoft You know you’re right, your KS really is fantastic. So replacing such a chip with even the best, is not gonna do much. That P-SP120 14900K would have been equivalent to a P-SP130 13900KS which would still have only a slightly lower VID than you. I think about where I’m coming from which makes it more of a worth while jump. My KS is not like yours man, it has 1.484V VID’s, so It’ll be like stepping over the chart and then stepping off of the chart in to 1.413V VID’s. I think it should be a substantial bump from what I had.

Yes you are absolutely right about the business PP F&F is not being allowed, I didn’t know that at the time, my mistake. Anyways, I had the thought of grabbing this one as well, and possibly keeping the best of the two. But the smart option was letting my buddy in Malasia fund this deal and let him buy it, because the guy didn’t respond to him apparently, so I was trying to make the deal one way or the other whether for me or someone else. The IMC thing worried me the most because I felt like I had to pry that info out of him, and he didn’t confirm for sure without a doubt if it would be okay on normal ambient cooling. His responses were very vague when he mentioned the IMC would give out when it got too cold (Should be okay) or (It may not be a problem) (It will be aight). I don’t mind paying F&F at all or doing a bankwire. But here’s the thing, this guy wouldn’t come off that proof of ownership pic, and when he finally did, I couldn’t even read anything on the chip in the pic, since it was so hard getting that pic, I was just like man what the heck, enough is enough lol... I also thought it was fishy he was selling it after only 2 weeks of just getting it, but hey that’s merely speculation, he did just buy it binned from another country though. I definitely wasn’t gonna test them both if I had gotten it. I just love me a nice binned chip! TESTING those Global SP117 13900KS chips a while back was such a BLAST man! Lol. And lately I really want a strong IMC 🙂

Very odd and shady experience with the guy with that P-SP120 14900K on overclock.net for sale section he was being a little strange. I’m not sure why. But when that add first popped up yesterday, I went for it right after it appeared, either my self or someone else I know would have bought it, no doubt I was probably the first to PM him (Lucky). He texted me right after the PM and yesterday I spent the next 8 hours texting him periodically trying to make a deal and pay for the thing. He would not accept normal PayPal, and because he said he had a business PayPal he also couldn’t accept PayPal F&F. Some sort of strange behavior is going on with the chips IMC which seems to be the reasoning behind not wanting to use standard paypal, which is also why he’s selling it apparently. He runs it on LN2 which it could be an LN2 only issue as he stated, but he wasn’t positive if the IMC would run/clock normally on ambient water either. I said I’d be willing to do F&F payment, if he could send a proof of ownership pic. Write down “my” phone number on a piece of paper and take a pic of the actual R batch CPU that I’d receive. It took him 6 hours to make this picture happen. And when he finally sent the pic, he sent a pic of “his” phone number and all of the letters on the cpu are non legible at all. So, I think it’s a scam at this point, unless he’s just totally oblivious as to how good his pictures are. He wanted to do bank transfer only at this point. And, he said he was afraid of someone filing a dispute with PayPal against him with normal payments lol. I’m like dude, #1 if I receive it, #2 if it works and #3 its an SP108 global chip, then there is no dispute from me. if those boxes are checked lol. 😂 anyways, I wasted about a half a day trying to make a deal with that guy, and even offered PayPal F&F as an option. Apparently he is a Asus sponsored overclocker from what he says, but I feel like something is wrong with the CPU, or he’s trying to pull one over on someone. Below is the pic he sent me as “proof of ownership” lol which we can’t even see if it’s the same cpu from the add. I didn’t want to be disrespectful and post this over there. But I backed out as of earlier this morning “I’m good” Buyer beware!!!

I keep seeing this with the Team Group kits not sure why. So far G.Skill has been working for me. If I ever buy more ram that is XMP, it’s gonna be Gskill. The R batch chips say it right in the batch#, or right on the chip. Some stores will let you look at the boxes. So a chip may be X335R150 So long as it has the “R” as the 2nd letter in the batch # it’s a good chip. Every single R batch is gold sample.

Yes, I got CENS chip. I will check it out. Also I didn’t even know it was a KF. Anyways, these dang R batch chips are really insane. Literally everyone of them is keeper, cut from a special cloth 🤷‍♂️. I saw someone with a lower P-core SP111 and they were overclocking that chip to 6Ghz on ambient water with no delid pretty easily. Anyways, he was asking 1550 euros for one SP107 chip, which is like $1,697 United States dollars 🤯 (I did not pay anywhere near that much) but yeah still expensive either way. I really enjoy cpu and memory overclocking mostly. Part of the reason why I’ve held on to this 3090 so long I guess. I keep spending all my money on binned CPU’s. It’s the same CPU. I got it for a reasonable price though. I thought about just binning some 14900K’s. But the chances of finding one that’s good are so slim. Literally 98% of them are not very good it seems. And the other 2% are all golden chips. I think anything SP101 or better is like a really really good chip for the most part. Then we have IMC to deal with. So many of those SP101+ chips have a MCSP of 78 or lower. It’s very unfortunate. I really am digging that dual pump AIO. Are those really performing much better than more traditional AIO’s?

Yes the chip is pre-tested. And it’s got a very very strong IMC 8600+. No SA bug. Not gonna lie though, seeing that P-SP120 roll through has made me cry a little. 😂 But hey, SP107 vs SP108. probably not much of a difference here.

Thanks, I thought so. I agree with your thoughts as well. I just bought a R batch with 1.413V VID’s for 6Ghz. The MCSP is 86-87 range with ambient water. It’s a P-SP117 chip. I am not gonna delid it right away. I have a cheap Alphacool waterblock I am gonna test it with. I’m not sure what the 5.6 or 5.8 VID’s are yet, as I haven’t received it just yet. But being a R batch. I would expect the 5.8 VID to be 1.370v or less worst case scenario. It’s gonna be a surprise for those two VID’s as I really don’t know them. I am primarily after that good IMC though. I’m limited to 8533c40 with my current KS and it’s a MCSP80. PS: I am selling my current KS for super cheap if anyone is interested.

@electrosoft What would you consider a gold sample 14900K? I imagine you been doing a little research and checking here and there on them.

Same to you friend and that goes for everybody else!! Another thing I’m thankful for is my current IMC being good enough stabilizing DDR5 8533 in Y-Cruncher. It only took 2 me days. And about 250-300 visits to the bios lol. Now I can run Y-Cruncher 2.5B a few gazillion times reboot and run it some more. This bios profile is not as fast as the 8600C38 profile. But, this one is bullet proof stable if you wanna try it.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!

My actual flow rate using a mechnical flow meter is 715.68 L/H 😎 using a calibrated Aquacomputer HighFlow 2. This is really some bonkers flow rate with (5) D5 pumps at 100%. 🤯