jaybee83

would it though? iirc the baby cores were at about 0.67x IPC of the respective P cores. at 16 E-cores, that would equate to 16*0.67 = 10.7 P-Cores gotta consider the frequency differences too, so lets say 4.3 Ghz max. for E cores and 6.0 Ghz max. for P cores, thats a factor of 1.4 in advantage for P cores. 10.7 P-Cores / 1.4 = 16 E-Cores equate to 7.4 P Cores when both IPC and frequency are considered. so current configs at 8 P-Cores + 16 E-Cores would already equate to 8 + 7.4 P-Cores = 15.4 P Cores. A 16 P-Core config would then just be only +4% faster overall at full utilization...would that be such a huge difference then? oooh me likey....Nvidia stock go CRASH, AI demand go DOWN, more supply of gpus for US with better prices 😛 (one can dream lulz)

sooo... that leaves PNY, Palit, Gainward, Colorful and GALAX (regular skus)? fun fact: i just started playing Titanfall 2, pretty great looking game, esp. considering its from 2016 😄 maxxed out im running in the range of 100-200 fps, pretty smooth. what i was surprised of though: its pushed my 4090 to new heights, got a new all-time high at 1125 W while gaming (full system via wattmeter at the socket). gpu is regularly pulling 700+ W. crazy stuff!

tru, the perf bump would be REAL, and that at half price 😛 guessing time: would 16 P cores be enough to beat a 9950X?

sure thing, no prob: how does 1000W TDP at stock with a price tag of 1500 USD sound? 😄 knowing Intel, that would roughly be the specs for such a cpu hahaha funny enough tho, if they removed the E cores (+2 P cores) and also the iGPU (+4 P cores) or just supplied a bare minimum igpu like AMD does (just display windows desktop, thats it, great for troubleshooting purposes or backup), then they might have enough die space to make it work on LGA1700.

yes yes and yes on all points. the suprim offers better cooling, especially on the vram, more heatpipes overall and that at 400 USD LESS (= 500€ LESS) than the astral. plus the fact that scalpers will focus on the FE and Astral first and foremost. the two extra power stages on the astral doesnt make up for all that (24 vs. 22 on the suprim for the core, and an equal 7 vs. 7 for the vRAM). wont make any difference for the amount of OC possible anyways... i got my card picked, triggerfinger is ready 😛

sooo basically, what it boils down to me to is this: - i already got the budget, so might as well try to get my hands on one - 4090 pricing will be nice n stable for a while with such a huge gap between 5090 and 5080, so ill get a good chunk of my money back - in many games im interested in, the 5090 pushes the FPS "just over the edge" into playable territory without having to use excessive upscaling (want to avoid that as much as possible, DLSS quality worst case, no FG for me) - highly interested in the 50-100% uplift for transcoding videos, thatll give me a tangible increase in every-day productivity for typical workloads of mine 🙂 all in all, im WAY more hesitant to pull the trigger on the 5090 than i was with the 4090 (ofc that has smth to do with the fact i was coming from a 980M and not a 4090 LOL). and although im likely going ahead with the purchase, im much more relaxed if i dont get one right at launch day tbh.

sooo basically, what it boils down to me to is this: - i already got the budget, so might as well try to get my hands on one - 4090 pricing will be nice n stable for a while with such a huge gap between 5090 and 5080, so ill get a good chunk of my money back - in many games im interested in, the 5090 pushes the FPS "just over the edge" into playable territory without having to use excessive upscaling (want to avoid that as much as possible, DLSS quality worst case, no FG for me) - highly interested in the 50-100% uplift for transcoding videos, thatll give me a tangible increase in every-day productivity for typical workloads of mine 🙂

coupled with the insane price increase we can already see enthusiasts jumping ship. i guess were finally hitting an upper limit of what highend gamers are willing to pay for halo gpus 😄

spot on! with the 5090 the choice of display / resolution is more important than ever. even with the 9800X3D its BOTTLENECKED TO KINGDOM COME at 1440p. so it really only makes sense at 4K+ with RT enabled. happy with ur current 1080p / 1440p display? go get urself a faster CPU or an even better 4K display, ignore the 5090, easy as that 🙂

my wife wouldve said the exact same thing 😄 bless their hearts hahaha

MSI pricing updates taken from overclock.net:

be careful when going the FE route, blocking it will not be easy due to its freaky 3 board design... nice to see! 4K + RT is what a card like the 5090 is made for! 🙂

dont worry about DP 2.1a vs. 2.1b. ALL RTX 5000 series sport DP 2.1b. the standards are interchangeable, 2.1b is basically just a functionality update with regards to active cables. thus, 2.1b = 2.1a with active cables, thats it. look again at the specs page @Papusan just posted for the Suprim: since 2.1b was only just announced at CES, im guessing not all vendors have updated their GPU specs yet, thats it 🙂 btw, interesting to see that the Astral weighs about 200g more or roughly +7% vs. the Suprim. I wonder if this is due to extra heatpipes, larger VC or if thats just due to the extra fan....hmmm

btw, confirmed that both the Astral and the Suprim cards will sport the phase change thermal pads. also, we got updated review embargo dates, MSRP card reviews will hit first: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reviews-go-live-january-24-rtx-5080-on-january-30

be sure to subtract the respective tax (listed in the link) before converting to USD to get closer to what you could expect in the US. but yeah, ill BARELY be able to do the list price with a small buffer on top, but not much more....ugh

looks like i was right to be still worried, even with my considerable budget saved up: https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-geforce-rtx-5080-and-rtx-5090-pricing-emerges-made-for-gamers-with-deep-pockets @Papusan get both your kidneys ready bud: as for us here in euro-land: holy guacamole, the MSI Suprim will actually be MORE expensive than the Astral?! O.o

same rule of thumb as in investing: diversify. check on as many potential shops as possible to maximize your chances. and dont give up after just 30 minutes, most ppl do exactly that. keep at it! supply situation looks dire for the 5090 though, comparable if not worse than the 3090 / 3090 Ti launch, ugh....

yup, the three separate boards alone keep me away from it, total nightmare to service / repair / tinker around with it...

gotta admit, it does look quite sleek. but boy do i wonder how much its keeping back the 5090 in terms of being able to stretch its legs with a proper OC...

yep, things are looking rough...latest rumours suggest initial supply will be super tight here in europe. but at least there were 7 reputable shops listed in germany that would get day 1 supply. i plan to register and prepare accounts on all of them and flip through them until i get one grabbed 😄

curious to see how many of the initial "hold outs" here will cave and get a 5090 nonetheless 😄 hardware itch resistance is futile - NvidiBorg 😄

yeah....lets hope that "new trend" of Nvidia wanting to have cute lil tiny coolers on their flagship GPUs doesnt perpetuate into the future 😅 that is absolutely a 100% valid buying strategy, get whatever u can put into your basket and manage to check out 😄 beats empty hands and a 5090 budget burning a hole into your wallet lulz As for AMD, since they understandably neither have the manpower nor the budget that Nvidia has, theyre likely taking a "break" for highend to get all their IP / resources together for a proper counter to the 60 series... i mean, they have done it before, so its nothing new or surprising.

pshhh dont give them ideas.... 😉

nice, looks like well have a full 6 days to read up on reviews and decide on which card to get, 5090 reviews coming up on 24-Jan! https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reviews-go-live-january-24-rtx-5080-on-january-30

congratz on the better bin 9800X3D 🙂 yeah the Suprim SOC seems to have the largest total volume out of all cards with known dimensions thus far. its about 10% larger in total volume than the 4090 Suprim and a tad (0.8%) chunkier than the Astral. absolutely humongous 😄 wouldnt be too sure if my budget will be enough...after all thats happened i always expect the worst when it comes to new GPU launches, ugh....heres to hoping tho.