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    Thanks, I guess I wasn't sufficiently up to date! That is the performance i would have expected from the start and it represents a ca. 50% multicore increase over the 7760 which is very impressive!
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    MSI GT77

    1610ftw replied to VEGGIM's topic in MSI

    Yep, quite impressive what it can do despite some thermal limitations - the new chips are excellent and MSI favors the GPU over the CPU which helps gamers.
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    The Legion achieved over 20K with a 30 minute test duration which is quite brutal and on par with other solutions that pride themselves in having a silly amount of (not very effective) fans and heat pipes (MSI GT77): No reason why the Dell 7770 should not be able to achieve at least 18K even though this is already on the lower side but from what I remember we haven't even seen 16K so far due to silly power limits on the CPU. Not quite sure what is the issue here as the predecessor could sustain a higher power limit with less demanding CPUs and they are not known to have had any significant issues.
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    Excellent R23 performance! TimeSpy seems a bit modest for a 3080TI, liquid cooling and a prema-fied bios. Have you tried MSI Afterburner? If not then that should help you to go above 14 for the graphics score. While I cannot get excited about their BGA only policy Tongfang / Uniwill have given us some interesting laptops recently so I hope they will some day consider a real flagship design with more modularity, screen size, memory and storage.
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    That guy is hilarious - DGFF -> Didn't Give a Flying F### 😄 He also refers to BGA books as turdbooks - obviously a man of good taste.
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    MSI GT77

    1610ftw replied to VEGGIM's topic in MSI

    Oh I forgot about the infamous bios blunders with the A51 and from what I have gathered in the past MSI does not do these things - they don't have to as they have the loudest fans in the market in their Titan series 😄 It would be interesting to see how fast the GT77 could be without going up to deafening noise levels - probably not that fast given the fact that it is now very slim compared to previous iterations of the Titan lineage.
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    I see that they are following that line of thought but I am not sure that people who actually care about upgradability and modularity really want something that small and cramped. Hope I am mistaken as I would hat to see them fail. With one of the reasons that we do not have big DTRs being that they are expensive to develop vs the sales numbers such an upgradable chassis would be a big benefit as a proper chassis could house different boards and screens and external connectors for many generations and they would only have to develop it once.
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    I mean that they basically try to build the windows equivalent to a 13" Macbook that is serviceable. While I support the idea of modularity and upgradability I cannot really get excited about a company that wants as much money for a new mainboard that elsewhere gets me a decent Lenovo gaming laptop with a 15 or 16" screen. The problem I see is that for this kind of laptop the price for a new mainboard is too high and just does not make sense as for the money of the upgrade one could easily get a new mainboard with similar or better performance. If that would be possible with let's say a chassis like the one of my MSI GT75 that I like a lot it would be fantastic - I would immediately replace the mainboard and drop one in with a 12800HX CPU and the ability to hold 4 x 32GB memory instead of 4 x 16GB. So I think that the idea is very good but the laptops have to be higher performance and more powerful for it to really make sense and I would like to see them team up with a big manufacturer to improve upgradeability, serviceability AND performance. And just in case it comes over differently - I like what they are doing in principle and if those kind of designs help them grow they did everything right, it is just not something I can get excited about.
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    It is too bad that they have decided that their best chance to survive is a baseline of tiny and boring nothingness...
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    Did they give any reason for doing that? Maybe they miscalculated the price?
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    Reviewed already courtesy of notebookcheck.com https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Titan-GT77-12UHS-Laptop-Review-Alder-Lake-HX-poster-child-with-unhindered-desktop-class-performance.640632.0.html The 4K display of the CreatorPro X17 on the right, looks good to me:
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    Interesting information, might be good to post this in the general section as it also is of interest regarding other manufacturers? Without going into the politics of this it is good for people to make an informed decision.
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    MSI GT77

    1610ftw replied to VEGGIM's topic in MSI

    I know what you mean about no upgrades for laptops even though in theory it should be possible. I have the X170KM-G and it is the end of the road so far for that one with regard to both the maximum CPU and GPU it can take. Still keeps repair prices down but upgradability is only a thing if you do not get the biggest and baddest parts right out of the gate. Nice to hear you are happy with the GT77. How are noise levels in everyday use - do the fans run at a stable level or are they fluctuating a lot? The noise spikes in a GE76 I tested were rather annoying with the fans getting pretty load from time to time just because I was opening another program for example. From what I heard the Area 51 could be pretty quiet so it would be interesting how you feel about noise levels when comparing these two.
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    Indeed not a single review so far. Would be cool if you could either open a thread in the MSI section or post in the GT77 thread. When will you get it?
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    That was a bit of a strange review and each time I see people discuss the power brick being too large and chunky I want to puke - not that difficult to get a smaller version for travelling. With a battery life of at least 4 hours and up to 6 I doubt that a battery would even be necessary in the boardroom meetings like the one he pretends to be crashing with the "monstrous" power brick. I also never had an issue to connect a Thunderbolt dock to any of my MSI laptops (Akitio, Dell (2x) and HP) in order to get a third monitor output but hey I must be some kind of wizard.... As for the membrane keyboard my contact at MSI confirmed that to me, probably the keyboard you already know from the GE76 save for the numpad section. Software could indeed use some improvement but I am not quite sure to which lengths MSI would go to differentiate the X17 from the GT77 - they do not even seem to have a proper workstation logo any more but then the Dragon does not look too bad in all black and white: https://www.msi.com/Content-Creation/CreatorPro-X17-A12UX/Gallery#lg=1&slide=4 In any case this is probably better discussed over in the MSI section.
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    MSI Germany for sure knew nothing about it either but here is a review that is quite interesting: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-WT75-8SM-Xeon-E-2176G-Quadro-P5200-Workstation-Review.416746.0.html With todays knowledge I would always go for a unified heatsink as that allows all of the cooling capacity to help out with CPU or GPU only workloads and if they had done away with one of the 2.5" drives and turned the other SSD array by 90 degrees they would have been able to afford more space to the GPU but for the time that was a solid design As @win32asmguy says it even had a working GPU switch and therefore some usable battery life without negatively impacting maximum performance so a real win-win.
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    Very true - the WT75 was a socketed monster and MSI could have improved upon it quite easily with the next generation but instead they released their first really good design in years as a workstation only and one might as well have thought it never existed as so few were sold. In Europe it wasn't even on offer in most countries and almost nobody knew about it. And agree 110% on screen size - I cannot understand people who are actually happy with 15" - it is so tiny while 17" is at least acceptable. The only laptop where I ever though this is a nice screen size was the 20" 16:10 HDX Dragon - that size felt really good and it would fit in a Alienware 18 sized chassis - not that I expect to ever see something like that...
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    My thoughts exactly - it is as if they have already given up on any semblance of ambition once they decided to go fully soldered. It may be fun to get one of those with a beefier aftermarket cooling solution and at least 450W of sustained power from the power supply(s) and then we'll see if it isn't possible to sustain 160 or 180W on the CPU and 200+W on the shunt modded GPU 😄
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    The GT76 allowed for 200W to the GPU and 200W to the CPU with 400W combined for both, reduced now to 250W because according to MSI more isn't needed - must be one of the biggest regressions ever to lose that much capability in one generation! As for the soldered GPU and CPU it seems to be a trademark of MSI for maybe 10 years now that they always offer one degree of modularity less than is possible. Back when it was possible to have both CPU and GPU socketed they only ever had one of each socketed within their Titan series and now where they could at least have kept the socketed CPU to very good effect (13900K coming up) they chose to solder both to chase some exaggerated thinness and weight goals that nobody asked for in the first place in a top of the line model. It is called Titan after all, not Elf.
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    What is even more troubling is that this is the only system in this generation that even allows for this much sustained power to the CPU while also allowing for more than the now typical 2 + 2 memory and storage slots. So this is already as good as it gets and I am really tired of this laptop fat-shaming - the GT77 isn't heavy, it barely weighs 7lbs! I am sure many here know that 7lbs was a relatively low weight for a 17" laptop not too long ago and look where we are now! My best guess is that 3mm added height and 350g added weight would have been enough for a higher performance unified vapor chamber and SSD cooling and 5mm and 550g should have been enough to also add a socketed CPU and still stay at or below 8.5 lbs. Adding weight in the right places and for the right reasons gives the owner more performance and a little bit of exercise which cannot hurt for most of us. And for people who want weak featherweight laptops there is still the vast majority of laptops on the market that offer just that: Mediocre at best performance in a slim and (supposedly) pretty package.
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    tales of Titans: Here is an interesting video with some benchmarks for the MSI GT77 that only manages to allow for an average of 140W delivered to its CPU in a CPU only benchmark even though its heatsink should allow for up to 250W cooling capability for both CPU and GPU: Overall it looks like the GT77 does bring little to no improvement to the table over the smaller and cheaper GE77 when it comes to GPU and CPU so not worth the added money if a performance increase is the goal. That used to be different with previous Titan models but not any more it seems and it should lead to MSI reconsidering their cooling concept that is let's say not delivering as hoped for despite their effort with numerous heat pipes and 4 fans. A notebookcheck review has also uncovered that where previously Titan models had very good SSD cooling this one has no cooling at all which leads to unsatisfactory reads and I am sure also writes: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Titan-GT77-12UHS-Laptop-Review-Alder-Lake-HX-poster-child-with-unhindered-desktop-class-performance.640632.0.html This is some kind of advance sample by Intel but from what I have seen the release version also has no heatsinks which is probably due to the misguided insistence on making this one extra slim. Of course we all know that this is what is most important for a flagship laptop...
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    Haha, all first place scores sounds good - instant legend 😄 I have a number of half-breeds and it is quite infuriating how good they can be if it wasn't for the crappy soldered CPU. I currently use the 7760 most of the time and it is indeed well built and has really usable fan curves even without any add-on trickery - it was a nice surprise. I still hate that rubbery palm rest and that the bottom has to be held in by screws whereas on almost all other laptops I can just snap it in but other than that it is a pretty refined user experience that also works well with external thunderbolt docks and 10G network adapters. With some added TLC it also has nice cooling capability for the SSD slots by effectively turning the bottom cover into a big SSD heatsink.
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    There are no workstations that he could point to, the first one released is from Dell. This is why I pointed to another Dell unit and an MSI with the most similar hardware and size. Ultimately it will be up to Dell to let him know about what performance can be expected of the 7770 and I doubt they will tell him that he should be happy with what he has got, it definitely does not qualify as good performance.
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    The new 16" 16:10 screen are almost exactly the same height as current 16:9 17.3" screens but they have 1600 instead of 1440 vertical pixels to go with the horizontal resolution of 2560. As I already find QHD too small on a 17.3" screen I do not really see that much of a benefit with a 2560 x 1600 resolution on these 16" screens when not scaling everything up. 2560 horizontal pixels is big for me as it makes using two windows side by side possible whereas 1920 x 1080 does not really cut it when I want to do that.
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    You may want to open up a case with Dell and ask why the low CPU and GPU numbers. Here is a review of an Alienware X17 with the same GPU and lesser CPU achieving higher results: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alienware-x17-R2-laptop-review-Peak-175-W-GeForce-RTX-3080-Ti-performance.617938.0.html#toc-3 More than 50% higher CR23 with this one with the equivalent 12900HX: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Raider-GE77-HX-12UHS-in-review-4K-gaming-notebook-with-top-performance.634343.0.html I think that both laptops weigh less than the 7770 so it is not like it is slim and light compared to them. Can't hurt to do that while you are waiting - let them do the work for now.
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