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The DirectX installer is pretty good about not overwriting newer versions of files so I don't think this will be an issue. ... Just had my second motherboard replacement completed. I had to wait two days because they had too much going on to get me scheduled in for yesterday. I was able to be fully productive on the Precision 7530. (Easy enough to just move the drives back and forth. Very little driver/config work necessary because this Windows install actually previously came from my Precision 7530.) Anyway, the second replacement motherboard does not have the switch by the PCIe4 drive slot. (Perfect!) There is a little gray square in its place. Photos: This tech was pretty fun to talk to, he knew a lot about laptops and again was also quite competent with the replacement. I watched him do a good job cleaning off the old thermal compound from the heatsink and GPU. He even asked if I had any thermal paste laying around, and we used some Arctic MX-4 for the CPU and GPU instead of the stock stuff that he had on hand. This one also came with BIOS 1.5.0. I won't be updating the BIOS on this one until Dell posts a new BIOS online... and then goes like 60 days without yanking it down.
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Precision 7670 and 7770 bottom panels... now for sale on eBay 🙂 https://www.ebay.com/itm/284573177524 https://www.ebay.com/itm/284568053404
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I don't think it will happen either. If Microsoft is going to take action to improve the Windows 10 / Alder Lake process scheduling "situation", I'd be surprised if they have not shared their plans (including timing) with OEMs (under NDA). So I can think of three likely scenarios for Microsoft backporting ITD to Windows 10. Microsoft releases the backport as a fix to Windows 10 (version 21H2) within the next few months, as part of one of the cumulative updates; they've been holding it back as a "carrot" to get more people to upgrade to Windows 11, but realize that isn't going to go over with larger businesses which take more time to move. It would make sense to line up this release with the push of Alder Lake business systems, which will be happening in the next few months, and there may be some light coordination between Microsoft and OEMs on this. (I sort of expect this to happen by June, if it's going to happen at all.) Microsoft will release the backport as part of Windows 10 (version 22H2), which we know is coming this fall. That seems a bit late to me, but it could happen. (It will be mildly disappointing if there's no way to get it active on Windows 10 LTSC 2021, but I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to do that.) Microsoft doesn't backport ITD support to Windows 10 at all. So what does Dell do? In the case of #1, Microsoft and Dell have already come to some understanding of when Windows 10 ITD support will be available and when new systems will be launching. A Windows 10 build option should be available at launch or very shortly afterwards. In the case of #2, Dell releases products when they are ready. A Windows 10 build option might not be available until around the end of the year. In the case of #3, Dell releases products when they are ready, and they might be available with Windows 11 only (especially if Microsoft has some sort of OEM sales requirement that new systems can be made available with the latest version of Windows only — yucky but wouldn't surprise me either). I think that the next interesting milestone is Intel's event on March 30. Even if you don't care about the Intel laptop dGPUs, a pile of new systems will surely be announced right after it is done, and some interesting tidbits regarding the next round of laptops should come out of that.
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Interesting tidbit there; do you have solar panels or is the Powerwall just there for backup purposes? (We have solar panels but no battery solution; something I'm considering for a few years down the line when our net metering agreement with the power company runs out.)
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I'm planning an Alder Lake upgrade within the next few months and I will be running Windows 10 on it, regardless of whether or not Microsoft backports Thread Director support. I just posted over here in the Precision section my thoughts on the situation. I think that Windows 10 on Alder Lake will be workable even without Thread Director support, at least if you are aware of what the potential issues are and the available workarounds. (Ads in File Explorer is only the latest problem, I have this other post going into detail on my issues with Windows 11. And Windows 10 isn't immune to added cruft either. In addition to the "news & interests" feature that they added last year, they're now adding this "search highlights" feature which actually might throw stuff into your taskbar and search for holidays and the like. LTSC avoids post-release feature additions like this.)
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Well if that doesn't happen, I'm planning to run Windows 10 on Alder Lake anyway (until such a time that there is a LTSC Windows 11 release). It isn't that bad, there are just some edge cases where you have to sort of be aware of how the process scheduler works. References: Most tests show Windows 10 and 11 performance basically the same on Alder Lake, with Windows 11 a tad faster in some cases. Tests involving below normal priority processes show pretty bad performance from Windows 10 + Alder Lake. Handbreak forum has a good post on this issue. Windows 10 schedules below normal priority processes on E cores only by default. Ways around this are: App developers can update their app to accommodate for this behavior; configure affected processes to run at "normal" priority instead of "below normal" or "low"; or, use the "High performance" Windows power profile which does not have this scheduling behavior. Not sure what Dell will do if Microsoft does not take action. I don't expect them to delay Alder Lake business systems past mid-year. They're clearly working on a number of models — in addition to the Precision model number "leaks" that I've been posting in this thread, it's not hard to find Latitude ones as well. I also don't think they'd offer them with Windows 11 only (they've got to know businesses won't like that). Maybe they will offer them with Windows 10 or 11, and a disclaimer of some sort if you choose Windows 10. [Edit] Oh, I also wanted to mention that the Intel Alder Lake game dev guide has a direct (but vague) reference to thread director being (partially) backported. You can just search the page for "backport" to find it.
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Tempting fate, I ran the 1.8.0 update. It completed successfully but the system would not boot afterwards. Black screen with keyboard backlight blinking on and then off every 20 seconds or so. (Maybe the reason it was pulled has something to do with this?) Back on the phone with ProSupport and they’re setting up another motherboard replacement for tomorrow. In the meantime, I’m on my Precision 7530. [Edit] Holy cow is the display panel on the Precision 7560 way better than the one on the 7530. Didn't realize what I was missing until I didn't have it anymore. 😛 On the 7530 it feels like I am at 60% brightness (even though it is set to max) and the backlight near the left and right edge of the panel seems off.
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Motherboard swapped out a bit ago. The tech seemed competent. The process took about an hour. The new motherboard does have a switch by the PCIe4 slot. I know that @katalin_2003 mentioned that he had a motherboard without the switch, and someone posted a photo (that I can't find right now), so, I guess I didn't get the new revision. (The stock of parts that they are using for replacements is certainly separate from the stock of parts that they are using to build new systems, and it could be much older as well.) Anyway, all three drives are currently showing up, so the problem is "solved" for now. I haven't had the PCIe4 drive disappear after about an hour of use. I'll try it and see how it goes.... [Edit] For an indication of its age, maybe, the replacement motherboard arrived with BIOS version 1.5.0.
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Start11 now adding "legacy customization options" back to the Windows 11 taskbar. (I am aware that other products like StartIsBack are also doing this... but I think it is just by invoking the Windows 10 taskbar?) https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/16/22980730/start11-windows-11-taskbar-ungrouping-features https://www.neowin.net/news/start11-v12-beta-brings-back-taskbar-ungrouping-and-more-in-windows-11/
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Here you can see the score distribution for systems with a RTX 3080 laptop GPU. Looks like average is 11,500. I'm not surprised that the Precision 7560 scores a good bit lower. RTX 3080 is generally seen in beefy/larger gaming laptops. Being a 15" system and locked to around 90W, the RTX 3080 is not living up to its full potential in the Precision 7560. (Still a high score compared to prior GPUs. The fastest one I have personally tested was a Quadro P5000 system which scored around 4,600.) I don't know enough about the normal score range to say if this seems unreasonably low or not. From the little chart, it looks like there are a good number of 3080 laptop results in the 8500-9000 range (just not nearly as many as there are for higher ranges). I'd be interested to see how much difference there is between that and your 7760/A5000. If you do more tests, if you can post your result URL that should be interesting too. (It will show stuff like scores and FPS for individual tests, what the GPU clock speed was like during the test, etc.) Just got off the phone with Dell ProSupport. Explained the issue and they started out by trying to ship out a replacement NVMe drive. When I explained that the drive is working in an external enclosure and that I tried another drive in that slot and it didn't work either, they switched to wanting to replace the motherboard (which is what I wanted). Pretty no hassle / painless conversation, as has been my general experience in the past with ProSupport. The whole call lasted about ten minutes, including the initial stuff just going through the phone prompts. The rep I had didn't seem super knowledgeable about the system specifically (they asked if I was dealing with a HDD or SSD... there's no way to attach a HDD to this system, internally) so I didn't get into the business with their being a switch on the motherboard that is causing the issue which has been removed in later revisions... Just stuck to the basics ("I put a drive in the slot and it doesn't work"). They're saying that they'll be able to have a tech here to do the replacement tomorrow. We'll see how that goes.
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Intel is now saying that they're going to have a presentation on their new Arc laptop GPUs on March 30. This will probably be followed by new laptop model announcements from various manufacturers. ...Not expecting Alder Lake HX or Precision 7X70 news at this event, but we could maybe see news for XPS or Precision 3000/5000 systems? Precision "3570" was shown briefly at CES 2022 and it will be available with the new Intel Arc dGPU. [Edit] Found this page on Precision 3570. Not sure how valid these details are or where they came from but it looks reasonable to me. https://www.laptop6.com/us/laptops/dell/precision-3570-(2022)-8850 I've been really curious about Dell's Windows 10 / Alder Lake support and this is the first real hint of it. All of their currently shipping Alder Lake systems ship with Windows 11 only. (I'm still thinking Microsoft may backport some Thread Director support to Windows 10. Dell/OEMs would probably already know of these plans, under NDA, and Dell would be waiting for that to happen before shipping Alder Lake business systems.)
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Can't actually say. I noticed it a little while after I went to 1.8.0. However, that was the first time that I had tried to use data on the PCIe4 drive today. It could have "broken" sometime in the past four days (I haven't used the PC since Thursday). As soon as I noticed it, I tried swapping the original system drive into the PCIe4 slot... That always worked before, but this time, the system still reported no drive in that slot.
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Precision 7540 & Precision 7740 owner's thread
Aaron44126 replied to SvenC's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
Precision 7X30 BIOS update 1.20.1 was posted on Friday, 3/11. From the release notes: - Supports Dell Dock HD22Q. https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=65m8t&oscode=wt64a&productcode=precision-15-7530-laptop -
Got 1.8.0 installer. Here is a link for anyone who would like to try it out: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsIwJHFk4EFdqJ0KDwOV5rWbuFTx5Q?e=FG2eSJ (Expires September 14, six months.) I can confirm that NVIDIA Dynamic Boost 2.0 switched from "No" to "Yes" on my Precision 7560 + RTX A2000 when I upgraded to BIOS 1.8.0. (Using Dell-provided NVIDIA driver, version 472.88.) Also having an issue with my NVMe PCIe4 drive slot again. Now, it will not recognize any drive, at least not consistently. (Seems like my "fix" did not hold, or a new problem has come up.) I'll be contacting Dell tomorrow to inquire about replacing the motherboard... and in the meantime, I have one of my NVMe drives connected in an external enclosure.
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There’s a paper clip sized metal bit thing inside the latch for the hooks to clip onto. It can come loose (…and get lost…) when you are taking the palmrest off. One of mine broke so it only latches on one side.- 133 replies
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Optimus only works with an LVDS display in this system. If you have an eDP display, Optimus cannot be used and the option is hidden in the BIOS setup. The eDP display will be connected to the NVIDIA GPU and the Intel GPU will be disabled. Quadro P4000 can work in the Precision M6700 with a certain vBIOS applied. @TheQuentincc, you had it working, right? There is a mSATA port (looks like full size mPCIe) so you can install an mSATA SSD as the fourth drive. I believe these are available in capacities up to 2TB.- 133 replies
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Core i9-12900HX showed up on GeekBench. 8P+8E, 2.5 GHz base, 4.9 GHz boost (or so it appears — that's probably the maximum clock speed that occurred during this run). https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/4414406
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I'm also greatly looking forward to Silksong; Hollow Knight is one of my favorite games of all time. The "early 2022" window came from an NVIDIA leak which had it pinned for February 2022 (...which would seem to indicate that it is not launching as a Switch exclusive). NVIDIA has said that the leak was genuine but a bit speculative. (A number of games from the leak list which seemed a bit "out there" at first have since released.) In the end, Team Cherry has said nothing regarding the release date other than "We'll release it when its ready". They probably won't announce anything until it is very nearly done. As for why it is taking so long, it seems that the "scope" of this game has increased dramatically from what they had originally envisioned, so I'm thinking that the long wait will be worth it in the end. I'm hoping that maybe we'll hear something around the E3 timeframe (...if E3 even ends up happening this year...). It would not be surprising to have it be announced during a Nintendo presentation, as they did the only gameplay presentation that I am aware of at Nintendo's E3 2019 show, but that wouldn't necessarily mean that it is a Nintendo exclusive. (Recent such example from the leak list: Chrono Cross.)
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Well, it looks like Microsoft is finally adding tabs to File Explorer. There's a genuinely good improvement. (Currently in preview builds, but only as a "hidden" feature not enabled by default.) https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-is-finally-adding-tabs-to-file-explorer-in-windows-11/ (I've been using Directory Opus for years so this isn't exactly a draw for me to upgrade.)
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Windows 10 daily images; how to enable for domain-joined machines
Aaron44126 replied to Steerpike's topic in Windows
This page seems to describe how to set it up and how to manage it from GP. Maybe it is disabled in your domain? https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/windows-spotlight [Edit] Nevermind, ha, that's the exact same link you posted in your edit...- 1 reply
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Eh, I've heard other people suggest that Microsoft will start charging a monthly fee for Windows before. I don't buy that. Microsoft knows that general consumers won't pay money to use Windows anymore. If they charge for an upgrade, the vast majority of people just won't upgrade (until they buy a new PC). That's why Windows 10 and 11 were released as free upgrades. Also, PC sales are declining, as a combination of the facts that you just don't need to upgrade your PC as often anymore, and more and more people are just turning to their phone. So, they've turned to finding ways to monetize Windows users to keep a revenue stream coming in. The cycle sort of reinforces itself now. As they roll out more monetizing features, they need people to install them, so the upgrades have to continue to be free for "general consumers". Not that they won't milk money directly out of business users. These days I imagine most medium to large businesses are making yearly payments for their Windows 10 Enterprise deployments. They're trying really hard to get people to move to their "cloud" offerings for Office/Exchange/SharePoint/etc., and that allows them to charge monthly rather than one time for the software. And they've even slashed the support timeframe for Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC and Office (perpetual license versions) from ten years down to five, so that it's harder to sit on one version for a long period of time. I don't necessarily blame them. Microsoft does whats in its own business interest. I just wish they'd release a "cut the crap" version (basically Windows LTSC for ordinary people). Heck, I'd pay extra for it.