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Precision 7540 & Precision 7740 owner's thread
Aaron44126 replied to SvenC's topic in Pro Max & Precision Mobile Workstation
Just leaving these here: Legacy NBR owner's thread — https://www.nbrchive.net/forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dell-precision-7540-and-7740-owners-thread.830037/ Legacy NBR pre-release thread — https://www.nbrchive.net/forum.notebookreview.com/threads/precision-7740-7540-specs-release-date.827802/ Driver RSS feeds: Precision 7740 • Precision 7540 No idea about HD22Q dock. I wonder if we will see similar messages in the next BIOS updates for other Precision 7000-series systems. (They often release these within a few days of each other so we might know soon.) I'd speculate that this is a new dock launching with the next round of hardware in a few months. Maybe that's not even the real model number, it could be a Dell part number a new dock. -
Link 2022.02.22 = Дата регистрации нотификации / Registration date 2022.03.04 = Дата публикации нотификации / Publication date Also interesting: Precision 5470 and 5570 models (no 5770?), also some XPS, and AMD G15+Alienware systems. For context: Precision 7560/7760 was registered on 2021-03-01, formally announced on 2021-05-11 (with Intel's Tiger Lake H45 announcement), and orderable on 2021-06-15.
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This just in. Consumer Alder Lake CPUs support ECC memory. (Workstation chipset required.) https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-enables-ecc-on-12th-gen-core-cpus So, it seems likely that there will be no differentiation between workstation and non-workstation CPUs for the Alder Lake HX line. (Alder Lake H CPUs have the chipset built in, so they will not have ECC support unless separate workstation versions are introduced.)
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Not happening, unfortunately; the mods tried to get them to list all three of the spin-off forums (two of which have since died) but basically no one was able to get any sort of response out of TechTarget during the closure/transition period. This will be reversed soon (efgxt.net pointing to notebooktalk.net, which will be the primary domain for this site).
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The link I left in the post immediately above lets you see the member list (with a total count) ordered by most recently joined. You do have to dig a bit, but it's there... (I just have this bookmarked.) I hadn't thought very hard about it but you are right, the editorial content (reviews) that NBR used to have probably helped a lot to build the user base up, especially early on before there was so much in-depth tech stuff in the forums. I think that @Reciever mentioned that he has some ideas or plans for a reviews section on this site. I definitely am making plans to take a stab at a professional quality review for the Precision 7770 once it is available. (I was already planning to do this on NBR, before the move.) I think that having some quality technical content will bring in more users over time just as they stumble upon it via Google (I'm talking about in-depth GPU upgrade threads and troubleshooting stuff like we used have at NBR). Getting the momentum going to build up a library of that content will be the tricky part. The old NBR threads will also help out; users will find their way in via NBRCHIVE (banner at the top) ... once it is more well indexed and showing up in web queries.
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We're getting multiple new members daily (most days). Not really sure how many are fully new or how many are trickling in from NBR. Getting people to engage or stick around is another matter...
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I was going to say, "No way I can do this because I use the numpad to enter special characters all of the time." Things like Alt+0151 for em dash —. ...But I tried it just now and this actually works whether num lock is on or off. So, maybe I will experiment with this too and see how I like it...
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21H2 is the final release, it's not beta... This is just how it is. 😕 (I've gone on about this before but I do believe it was/is a beta quality release and certainly needed more bake time.)
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I've never seen a 7760. I do have a 7560 as my work system and I like it. The best thing about it is the new fan management system that Dell has implemented — the fans can run at much more granular levels now, they are often running around 1000-1200 RPM (on but silent) whereas previous systems had no speeds for them to run at between 0 and ≈2300. I have never considered the M6700 to be "dead silent". It has a fan cycling on-off behavior that really bothers me and led to me producing fan management software to control how it behaves. The worst thing about the 7560 for me is the PCIe4 "drive disappearing" issue which I have addressed in the second post of the 7X60 owner's thread here. I don't like taking off the bottom cover, since it "wraps around" the sides of the chassis and also covers up the ports, I feel like I am pressing down on the USB-C ports and getting them bent out of position when I am putting it back on. Oh, and there's the lack of dedicated Home/End and PgUp/PgDn keyboard buttons which I ended up solving for myself with some "creative" key remapping. Otherwise, I can't think of any issues with it really, it does its job well.
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After mulling it over for a few days now, I am basically in agreement with you here. I'd like to keep the ports on the back but I'm willing to trade them off for the increased cooling potential that it looks like we are getting. I really just care about power and Ethernet on the back. At least they put these together at the very back of the left side. I'll use a right angle adapter for power to get the plug pointed "backwards" and I think that it will be fine, actually not very different than the normal position of the power jack (before 7X50). Ethernet can just bend around and I will tie the Ethernet and power cords together. (Used to using right angle adapters to free up space. On both of my current systems, I use a right-angle USB adapter on the right side for the mouse, and also for a 3.5mm headset.) I would say, if you don't want the increased cooling potential, you could look at Precision 3000-series which should have Alder Lake H CPUs and not HX.... But it looks like those are going to have ports on the side, too. 😕 The model shown briefly at the Intel CES presentation seems to have an identical port configuration to the existing Precision 3560/3561 systems.
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Technically, based on this, the 16:10 displays are 17.0” and not 17.3” (even though 16:10 has slightly more total display area). Anyway, I think we will see a mix of 16:9 and 16:10 for a while, with a lot of gaming-focused systems staying on 16:9.
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Found this leaked block diagram and commentary regarding Alder Lake workstation CPUs. It looks like Intel might be changing up the branding and not using the word "Xeon"... or at least raising the bar on what it takes for a CPU to be considered a "Xeon", and just calling the "regular old Core CPUs with ECC memory support" (that we see here in the MWS space) something like "Core for Workstation". https://hothardware.com/news/intel-alder-lake-xeon-server-cpu-w680-block-diagram (This is for the desktop workstation CPU/chipset.) There are lots of articles discussing the W680 chipset (for desktops) over the past month or so, so it seems that Alder Lake workstation CPUs are indeed in the queue and coming "soon", regardless of what they end up being named. [Edit] I wonder if the 2.5Gb Ethernet will make it down to the mobile platform...
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Mobile Xeon is usually just for workstations so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see those until ≈6 weeks after Alder Lake HX actually launches. (Intel hasn't even acknowledged HX to the public yet.) Not sure about the desktop side. I did notice that there are no Xeons yet but I'm not sure what the normal timing for those is. Timing could be off from what a "normal" generation looks like because there are a lot of unusual things going on with this generation. I'm a little bit wondering about if there are process scheduling changes coming to Windows 10 in the near future that will be timed with when Alder Lake business systems (that Xeons would land in) become more broadly available. Both OEMs and MS must know that the vast majority of larger businesses aren't ready for Windows 11 yet.
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Where did you get that from? (Just curious...) Xeon CPUs usually show up some weeks after the rest of them. If they support ECC on the i7/i9 then it makes no difference. Or, maybe ECC support from the CPU is now not so important since DDR5 requires ECC as a matter of spec? (Though this ECC required by DDR5 can fix errors on the memory module, but not errors in transmission between the memory module and the CPU.)
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Core i7-12650HX has appeared on UserBenchmark. 6P+8E, like desktop i5-12600K. First "in the wild" spotting of a HX CPU, AFAIK. https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/50932654 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/alder-lake-hx-cpu-spotted-specs-disclosed [Edit] Updated top post with what is known so far about CPUs and GPUs for this generation. I'll try to keep that up to date as more information becomes available.
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They've changed the 7000-series keyboard before. (7X30/7X40 layout was fine.) ...Not really holding out hope but I'd love to see it addressed. I don't especially care about the power button not being separate, but not having dedicated Home/End and PgUp/PgDn keys is quite obnoxious... LAN port has a spring jaw (you can see it in the pictures of the bottom panel). I haven't had an issue with it getting stuck, but I find it a bit tedious to connect (without looking) and also I'm worried about the spring jaw sort of loosening up over time if you use the Ethernet port a lot. Audio port is in roughly the same spot, on the right side of the laptop. I've just started using a right-angle adapter for it as well so that it is less obnoxious. (Cord pointed straight towards the front rather than sticking out to where the mouse goes.) I think opening the bottom cover is going to be roughly the same as 7X50/7X60. Looks like it has captive screws and the whole thing will come off in one piece. It "wraps around" to the sides and covers up all of the ports. The design process is about two years so they would definitely be at the tail end of it by now. One of the bottom panel photos shows an October 2021 manufacture date. Thanks for the info on the right angle adapter. I'll pick up some of these. I guess that I was just worried that it wouldn't work with 240W, or it wouldn't support passing through the info that the laptop needs about the PSU's capacity.
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The more I think about it, the more I want to know what the heatsink/fan assembly is like. Are they going for three fans? How else does it make sense? What are those cutouts on the left/right of the back for? Precision 7X60 doesn't have that. Seems kind of big for hinges. Maybe, though, the display enclosure also seems to have cutouts in the same place.
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Windows 11 to use carbon intensity data and schedule Windows 11 updates for when the most renewable energy is available during the day, in your location? (One of the oddest features I've seen them do. I don't feel like applying an update is that resource intensive. Or at least it shouldn't be.) https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2022/03/02/announcing-windows-11-insider-preview-build-22567/
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That's what I gathered from the model number change and that is what makes me think that we are looking at 16:10 panels now.... (maybe). But if that's the case, I wonder how big the difference between 16" and 17" will really be... [Edit] If this thing actually works then I don't care so much about the power connector being on the side at least.
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I was thinking about it, and I guess, they have moved from two heat exhaust ports on the back to three. This was probably done as part of a cooling system improvement to accommodate the new higher TDP of the Alder Lake HX CPUs (and maybe to bump up the GPU power as well). Really curious to see what the heatsink/fan assembly looks like. So I guess the back ports had to go? I don't like it but I would rather have the ports on the sides than heat exhaust ports on the sides.
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Found the one for Precision 7770. https://www.taobao.com/list/item/664909765380.htm Port arrangement is similar to 7670. I'm not sure where mDP is. I guess the rectangular ports (one on the left and one on the right) might be mDP or USB A, and it's possible that mDP is fully omitted and they just expect you to use USB-C. Also with the placement of the HDMI port, I am guessing that it is not directly attached to the dGPU card anymore? It looks like there are speaker grills on the front, so I am suspecting that they moved the speakers and they're not above the keyboard / right under the screen anymore. Also found this one with the display enclosure. Can't really discern if it is 16:9 or 16:10. But yeah. I am not liking that they took ports off of the back that have been there for over a decade. It's so much cleaner for cable management if power, Ethernet, etc. are not hanging off of the side of the system.
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Found this. Link Hello? Precision 7770 and 7670? If they decided to change the model number in this way, that tells me that a form factor shakeup may be coming (maybe finally bringing us 16:10 displays...). I dug around some more and ran into this which appears to be the bottom panel for the Precision 7670. Doesn't quite look the same as the Precision 7X60 with SSD door. Model number Precision 7670 is clearly visible. A little bit worried about that notch thing in the top right. Is that where the Ethernet port is? I really liked having it on the back... Ok, with this one you can see where most of the ports go, it looks like there are none on the back. Blah. I do like that they have a mixture of USB A and C on the sides though, instead of having all USB C on the left and all USB A on the right. Anyway... Things are happening. (Maybe.)
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I have not heard any rumors about a 4TB Samsung 980 Pro. For high-capacity NVMe drives you can look at the Sabrent Rocket drives. Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus 4TB has 2800 TBW and a 5-year warranty. An 8TB model will be available "soon". This drive uses TLC cache like the Samsung 980 Pro. Note that the high-capacity Sabrent drives are double-sided (chips on the top and bottom side of the drive) — they will fit in Precision 7000-series but may not fit in smaller systems. I have Sabrent Rocket Q 4TB in my Precision 7560. It's QLC, so less endurance (still plenty high if you ask me), and I haven't had any problems with it. Sabrent Rocket Q is already available in 8TB.