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I think yesterday, this forum was showing when posts are edited ("Edited by user at time" at the bottom of the post). It doesn't look like it is doing that anymore. I do think that there is value in seeing that a post has been edited. I would like to be able to make quick edits, within perhaps five minutes of the post going up, without the notice being shown. I tend to post and then read it again and make quick edits. However if the only options are show the notice "always" or "never", I'd rather have it "always". [Edit] See? I just had to make a quick edit to this one 🙂 [Edit 2] Actually there seems to be mixed behavior. This post shows that it has been edited but this one does not (I edited the latter within the last hour, over 24 hours after it was posted). [Edit 3] Test edit.

Welcome. Just adding links herehere: NBR "legacy" M4800 owner's thread https://www.nbrchive.net/forum.notebookreview.com/threads/m4800-owners-thread.736032/ M4800 driver RSS feed

I mean that it should be this low. You originally had screen shots of four drives (that's what I saw when posting); the Samsung drive shows 75% and the rest showed 90%+. I think it's a reasonable value given the amount of writes that the drive has. I just made the comment because again the health status is prominent in the screen shots and it makes the Samsung drive look "bad" if you don't look at the writes too.

I am wondering if it would also help to get a thicker thermal pad and put it on the other side of the "heatsink" so that there is contact between the heatsink and the chassis bottom cover (in particular if you have the chassis without the SSD door). I haven't seen any information about anyone trying this to see if it helps reduce the drive temperature.

Just commenting on the "health status" which is pretty prominent in these screen shots. Here, the Samsung drive has the most writes (nearly 50 TB) and it is on the small side (just 256 GB) so you would expect it to have the lowest "health status" percentage of the bunch. The TBW rating for a 256 GB Samsung drive (TLC) is just 150 TB. (For a 2 TB drive it is 1200 TB.) [Edit] When I posted this there were four drive screen shots but it looks like it has been edited down to two.

Precision 7X60 is kind of weird here I think. The PCIe4 slot has a plain metal plate heatsink and nowhere really for the heat to go. The heatsink would at best serve to "spread the heat out" a bit. The multiple PCIe3 slots each also have metal plate heatsinks, but they also have thermal pads on top which come into contact with the chassis so at least the heat can go there. Since you would expect the PCIe4 drive to run the hottest of the bunch, definitely a curious design choice. I wonder if it was because of the "SSD access door" which is specifically for that slot. (My 7560 does not have the access door, but it still did not come with thermal pads on the heatsink there.)

I have probably six or seven Samsung SSDs and those have worked great for me. If I was buying a 2TB SSD I would probably look at Samsung 980 Pro for top speed, or Samsung 970 EVO Plus if you want something a bit cheaper.

Might be a small thing but I kind of wish we had a "thumbs up" rather than a "heart" icon for liking a post 😛

Unfortunately, there is limited time to archive information off of the old site, and TechTarget's firewall does not help — if you make HTTP requests too quickly then you will get blocked. I'm archiving some Dell sections and there is some information about how I am doing it with WinHTTrack in this thread at NBR. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/forums-closing-at-the-end-of-january-alternatives.837530/ To avoid any copyright issues I will be hosting the archives that I pull separately from this forum... though I do encourage individual users who have posted guides or things like that to re-post them here. NBR user "Sandy Bridge" has a tool specifically designed to grab information from a XenForo forum and he's been trying to grab some stuff too. (See page 8 of linked thread.) Finally, a lot of stuff is backed up at archive.org, at least. I heard that they have been informed about the pending shutdown and are making an effort to make sure that the forum gets re-crawled. https://web.archive.org/web/http://forum.notebookreview.com/forums/panasonic.1012/

Hmm. Alder Lake is a decent step up from Tiger Lake, and the hybrid architecture is the reason that I have decided to wait one more year before replacing my M6700 (home system, almost a decade old now). But the new efficiency cores are a bit divisive and certainly add complexity, and as of now, Intel's "Thread Director" hardware scheduling assistant only works on Windows 11. — I personally think that this will have to change when Alder Lake business systems start rolling out. Dell has not announced any such systems yet. You can see that Alder Lake performance is a good step up from Tiger Lake. (More benchmarks here. More should be available in February when the first Alder Lake laptops launch.) These are H45 CPUs, and the Precision 7000 series may get H55 (which have been "leaked" but not yet formally announced), so the difference will be even greater. On the GPU side, I expect the Ampere refresh not to be that big of an improvement; 20% tops, probably a good deal less for most workloads. We might get a chassis refresh (Dell has been doing those more or less "every other iteration", so we are due). That could improve cooling. I expect them to pay some attention to cooling if we get the Alder Lake H55 CPUs (higher power use & more heat than Tiger Lake). We're also looking at DDR5 support, and possibly PCIe4 support in all of the NVMe slots instead of just one. Who knows what the supply chain situation will be like when it releases. We just ordered another 7560 with 4K display for the office and it won't be arriving until April. I imagine that they will be modestly more expensive. Dell typically lowers the Precision price slowly over the course of the year and then it is "reset" when a new model releases. [Edit] Oops, included a desktop CPU benchmark chart; found a mobile one and switched it out.

Note — I am personally not recommending upgrades to Windows 11 at this time. I have some issues with how Microsoft is handling things which I will discuss in a future post. However, if you would like to upgrade then I will still do my best to offer support. The purpose of this thread is to discuss what is needed to get Windows 11 running on Precision mobile workstations, with an emphasis on systems released before 2018, which Microsoft is not officially supporting. Windows 11 was released on October 5, 2021. The launch is starting with new PCs releasing late in the year. Existing PCs won't be offered the upgrade through Windows Update right away; they will start offering it to new PCs only and broaden eligibility gradually through mid-2022. "Go-getters" are able to go and download the install media and perform an upgrade on their own at any time after the official launch. Windows 11 is a free upgrade over Windows 10, it is accepting old Windows product keys for activation going all the way back to Windows 7. Microsoft has posted system requirements for Windows 11. Most systems will easily meet these requirements, but there are two big ones which will be trouble for many users: * A "compatible 64-bit processor" means anything older than Intel's 8th generation is not supported. (Microsoft is supporting select 7th-gen CPUs on systems with all-DCH drivers, but that is not the case on Precision systems of that era.) * Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0. (You can check your TPM version by looking in Device Manager under "Security devices".) Which Precision mobile workstations are supported? Dell Precision workstations released in 2018 or later have 8th generation CPUs. That is Precision 3530, 5530, 7530, and 7730. These systems also have TPM 2.0. These models and any successor models should meet the requirements for Windows 11 easily. Dell has posted their own supported model list which aligns with this. https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/...ed-for-upgrade-to-windows-11#Precision-DT-W11 What about systems that do not meet the requirements? Microsoft would recommend that you do not attempt to install Windows 11 and stick with Windows 10, which will still receive security updates until October 14, 2025. CPU requirement There is no option to upgrade a system from an unsupported CPU to a supported CPU. A motherboard swap would be required, and while some systems can be upgraded one generation if the chassis is compatible, the first 8th-generation system (Precision 7X30) came with a chassis refresh. TPM requirement Precision XX10 and XX20 systems (2015-2017 release years) qualify for the TPM 2.0 firmware update. Older systems have TPM 1.2, going all of the way back to the Precision M65 (released in 2005). Microsoft previously noted in the requirements that the TPM 2.0 requirement is a "soft floor" and TPM 1.2 is the "hard floor"; however, this note has been removed. Validity of the system requirements This is my personal opinion here... You can take these requirements and throw them in the trash. Nearly all systems that can run Windows 10 will be able to run Windows 11 without issue. Microsoft posted a clarification on the requirements and the reason for setting the bar high for CPU and TPM support is for security, not for performance. They are also preferring newer systems which have DCH drivers for "reliability" reasons. At present, the TPM requirement has a trivial workaround and the CPU requirement is not enforced at all. I've been reading reports on users who have upgraded old systems and I haven't seen any major issues popping up. Systems with older CPUs or without TPM support will miss out on some security features (...which is already the case with Windows 10) but should otherwise be fully functional. Of course, these systems will remain "unsupported" by Microsoft, so there could be issues yet to be discovered that will go unfixed, or new issues that pop up later. So it's basically a "try it at your own risk" situation, but I think that the risk is pretty low. How to install or upgrade to Windows 11 Systems that meet the system requirements The preferred approach according to Microsoft would be to wait until Windows 11 is offered to your system via Windows Update, and upgrade at that time. However, you can upgrade early by downloading the installation media (ISO) and using that. Installation media can be downloaded here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 Systems that do not meet the system requirements These systems will not see the Windows 11 upgrade offer through Windows Update, but upgrading using the installation media (ISO) is still possible. The installer will put up a warning about the system being unsupported that you must click through. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11 One thing mentioned in the warning is that unsupported systems may not be "entitled to updates". We'll find out on October 12 if the regular monthly cumulative patch is offered to systems with unsupported CPUs or not. I personally suspect that such unsupported systems will get monthly cumulative patches automatically, but not feature upgrades — those will have to be installed manually. Feature upgrades will be released yearly, in the fall. The installer will enforce TPM and Secure Boot requirements. TPM 1.2 seems to be accepted, so all Precision systems from the past 15+ years should be good there; just go enable it in the BIOS if necessary. Secure Boot is available on Precision systems released in 2012 and later (with Intel 3rd-gen CPU or better). You can bypass the compatibility checks if you need to. Microsoft has some documentation on it: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...ndows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e [Edit] Update 2022-05-17 It looks like Microsoft is making the TPM requirement more strict with Windows 11 version 22H2 (launching fall 2022). The bypass that they have previously documented does not work. Users who have upgraded systems that "do not meet the system requirements" may have to jump through hoops to upgrade to Windows 11 version 22H2 beyond just sticking a registry setting in and running the upgrade off of the Windows 11 22H2 ISO. Legacy NBR version of this thread — http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dell-precision-windows-11-information.836379/

Release date: June 15, 2021 11th gen (Tiger Lake) CPUs NVIDIA Ampere GPUs, up to NVIDIA RTX A5000 (similar to GeForce 3080, mobile version) Up to 128 GB RAM (ECC support with Xeon CPU) One PCIe4 NVMe slot Driver RSS feeds: Precision 7760 • Precision 7560 Legacy NBR 7X60 owner's thread You can order Precision 7X60 with GeForce RTX 3080 GPU (might support 110W in Precision 7560?) (part numbers) Solving "disappearing drive issue" by keeping the PCIe4 drive slot switch pressed down Display panel and cable part numbers

Information in this opening post is kept up to date with the latest developments. Alder Lake HX CPUs ("Intel 7" process / 55W base TDP / up to 8P+8E) NVIDIA Ampere refresh workstation GPUs (RTX A5500 at the top; GA103S chip with 7,424 CUDA cores; 16GB vRAM; similar performance to GeForce 3080 Ti mobile version) DDR5 support — up to 128GB (non-ECC) via CAMM, or up to 64GB (ECC or non-ECC) via SODIMM PCIe4 support in all NVMe slots Four NVMe slots in Precision 7770; three in Precision 7670 performance chassis; two in Precision 7670 thin chassis Chassis refresh 7670: 16" 16:10 7770: 17" 16:9 Release date (available to order): July 7, 2022 (now available) CPUs: 4P+8E: Core i5-12600HX 8P+8E: Core i7-12800HX, i7-12850HX, i9-12900HX, i9-12950HX No Xeon CPUs. Select Core CPUs support ECC memory. Note as of 2022-05-18: 12800HX and 12900HX might be pulled from the lineup. 2022-05-27: 12800HX and 12900HX have been removed from the spec sheet. GPUs: NVIDIA Ampere refresh workstation GPUs (see table below), NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti, Intel Arc A770M (later) Full list of Precision systems confirmed for this generation: Dell Precision 3470 • Announced 2022-03-31 • Available to order 2022-05-19 • Spec sheet • Support Dell Precision 3570 • Announced 2022-03-31 • Available to order 2022-04-19 • Spec sheet • Support Dell Precision 3571 • Announced 2022-03-31 • Available to order 2022-04-19 • Spec sheet • Support Dell Precision 5470 • Announced 2022-03-31 • Available to order 2022-04-19 • Spec sheet • Support Dell Precision 5570 • Announced 2022-03-31 • Available to order 2022-04-19 • Spec sheet • Support Dell Precision 5770 • Announced 2022-03-31 • Available to order 2022-04-19 • Spec sheet • Support Dell Precision 7670 • Announced 2022-04-26 • Available to order 2022-07-07 • Spec sheet • Support Dell Precision 7770 • Announced 2022-04-26 • Available to order 2022-07-07 • Spec sheet • Support See also: Legacy NBR 7X70 pre-release discussion thread

If you come across any particularly interesting posts with technical details, part numbers, fixes, or how-tos, let me know and I will include them on this list. Many of these link back to the Notebook Review forum, which is going offline on January 31. I will change the links to point to the NBR Precision archive once I have it ready. Upcoming systems: Precision 7670 & Precision 7770 CPU — Intel Alder Lake HX (12th gen) – Intel 7 process, hybrid architecture, 8P + 8E cores, bump up to 55W TDP GPU — NVIDIA Ampere refresh – RTX A5500 with GA103S chip; 7,424 CUDA cores; 16GB vRAM; similar performance to GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Laptop GPU DDR5 (up to 128GB) PCIe4 support — Alder Lake S-BGA supports 36 lanes of PCIe4 (20 at CPU and 16 at PCH), so all NVMe slots in the system should be PCIe4 enabled Expected to be available to order in mid/late second quarter 2022; could be earlier, primarily depends on release timing of Alder Lake HX CPUs, which is currently unclear Pre-release discussion thread Driver / BIOS RSS feeds See: Dell driver RSS feeds General Windows tips for newer Precision systems Dell Precision / Windows 11 information Switching from RAID to AHCI/NVMe mode (same process can be used to return to RAID mode) Switching from AHCI/NVMe mode to RAID mode, if the Windows instance has never seen RAID mode before (...specific to 7X60, will need to be tweaked for other systems) Remapping keys to get dedicated Home/End, PgUp/PgDn Bluetooth fix Precision 7560 & Precision 7760 You can order Precision 7X60 with GeForce RTX 3080 GPU (might support 110W in Precision 7560?) (part numbers) Solving "disappearing drive issue" by keeping the PCIe4 drive slot switch pressed down Display panel and cable part numbers Precision thermals & performance Great interview with Dell thermal engineer Travis North, six parts: one | two | three | four | five | six Notes on disabling the CPU power/throttle limit in modern Precision systems: one | two Notes on undervolting CPU in modern Precision systems Discussion on undervolting GPU in modern Precision systems Insights on Precision allocation of PCIe lanes Explanation of (lack of) performance difference between NVIDIA 4000- and 5000-level GPUs Use 17" GPU vBIOS on 15"/16" GPU to raise the power limit Precision 7560 + NVIDIA RTX A4000 (110W -> 130W) GPU upgrades DGFF upgrades in Precision 7X30, 7X40 Notes on modding NVIDIA INF file Notes on signing a modded NVIDIA driver, so that "test mode" or "disable driver signature enforcement" is not needed Working Quadro P3000 / P4000 / P5000 vBIOS images for Precision M6700, M6800 Dell Precision M6800 / Quadro P5000 vBIOS flash Dell Precision M4800 + Quadro T2000 upgrade Dell Precision M6700 – Quadro M5000M (worked great for me), Quadro P5000 (not so much) Other upgrades Precision M6600-M6800 / M4600-M4800 – different fan types (Sunon, AVC, Delta) Using M.2/NGFF cards in Precision M6700 Precision M6700 45W CPU heatsink replacement Precision M6600 / M6700 IPS display upgrade guide

Current link to 3.0 beta version (GUI) — https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsIwJHFk4EFdqNc2I45BxBqHhwaKIA?e=YjUSPn Please note that this software is not currently under active development and it is released in an "as is" state. Also note that it does not work with Dell systems released in 2022 and later. Requirements: • 64-bit Windows • The program is intended for use with Precision 7000-series systems, but it will likely work with all manner of Dell laptops, and maybe even smaller desktops (with Intel Sandy Bridge / 2nd-gen CPU or better) • BUT systems with 11th-gen CPUs and later (systems released in 2021 or later) are currently not supported. (The program may run, but you will not be able to control the fans.) • Current Visual C++ redistributable (https://aka.ms/vs/16/release/vc_redist.x64.exe) • .NET Framework 4.8 runtime (https://dotnet.microsoft.com/download/dotnet-framework/thank-you/net48-web-installer) • .NET 6.0 runtime (https://dotnet.microsoft.com/download/dotnet/6.0/runtime, desktop x64) • In the registry, visit HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\CI\Policy, make a DWORD value called "UpgradedSystem" (no quotes) and set it to 0. Then, reboot. This allows drivers without a Microsoft EV signature to be loaded. (At some point I will have a version that will offer to set this value automatically at first launch.) To run the program, extract the zip file, and then open "DellFanManagement.exe" with elevated permissions ("as administrator"). Source code is here: https://github.com/AaronKelley/DellFanManagement More information regarding previous 2.0 version (command line) — https://web.archive.org/web/20211121044820/http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/dellfanmanagement-dellfankeepalive-–-tools-for-managing-the-fan-speed-in-dell-laptops.833340/