Mr. Fox

I agree, but I see it as a "corporate world view" that is not limited to America. This is a worldwide problem with big business and China is the biggest offender. Although, American corporations should be an exception to the norm. We should expect them to rise above and be better than that.

This design made it very hard for me to embrace Ryzen and I still really hate the design. It is an idiotic approach to processor design. It adds latency, unnecessary complexity and additional opportunities for failure. Along with the foolish elimination of hyperthreading the tiled design (a conceptually similar display of poor judgment and bad engineering decisions) was also a major factor in my rejection of Core Ultra and movement to Ryzen. The good old days are gone boys. What we're left with is the machinations of fundamentally bad people, educated idiots, greed on steroids and mainstream stupidity. End users get whatever end users get and they expect us all to feel grateful for getting screwed. Just as Big Pharma doesn't care about people getting better as long as they keep taking their lifelong poison meds, Big Tech doesn't care what is best for the people that buy their crap as long as the money keeps coming. They only pretend to care and listen when it is necessary to recover from a slowdown in revenue generation.

I have a Byski block on it already. That's the one in the photo. I ordered a Core for it (should be here Thursday) just because I think it looks a lot nicer. It's really chunky looking and has the backplate formed around the perimeter so there is no visible PCB or air space between the acrylic front and metal backplate. But, thank you for asking. What block for the Suprim do you have?

Sorry to hear about your CPU Brother @jaybee83. Something similar happened to Brother @Raiderman. I delidded his 9950X and tested it out. Everything worked great. I use the TG Mycro direct die block. He had issues with contact and thermals using a die frame and regular waterblock. He removed the CPU and when he put it back in the thing was dead. It has nothing visually wrong with it. By the way. I finally found a 48GB EXPO 8000 kit and it is totally stable in the Gigabyte Master. It's on the QVL as well. I believe it is a new SKU. All other 48GB memory I have tested on every AM5 motherboard was unstable. G.SKILL and TeamGroup Intel XMP kits were never stable even with all manual tuning. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DGRLW7V7 Nice to see you Brother @Rage Set. I hope all has been well with you. About the storage addiction... no explanation for it. Don't need it. Don't use it all. But I like doing things in excess. Congrats on the Astral Brother @johnksss. I'd be happy to delid the 14900KS for you. I think I may still have an extra LGA1700 IceMan or TG Mycro direct die block. If I still have one its yours as a gift. I am almost done with the projects. My tiny office has never felt so big, LOL. I still need to install the IceMan dual D5 pump in the O11D XL EVO. I just ran out of time so I slapped a single Byksi pump along with the Alphacool pump/res. I am going to have to fabricate a bracket for the dual D5 pump and just didn't have enough time or energy left to fuss with it right now. I also still need to delid the second 9950X CPU and install the second TG Mycro block. I'll probably do all of that at once in a couple of weeks after the Alpahcool Core block for the 4090 Suprim gets here. So, the O11D XL EVO turns out to be too small for push/pull with the fat radiators I installed. Heatkiller rads in top and bottom, Alphacool X-Flow in the side next to the mobo. Using the awesome Montech Metal Pro fans. I really like these fans. I have some in the Gene build as well. Since I have extras due to not being able to do push/pull on the O11D XL EVO I am going to use them to replace the inferior fans in the Gene. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DJ45JWL1?th=1

The cancer has caused a lot of reflection to occur. I feel mostly normal and haven't changed much overall, but after having to "donate" a $10K after-tax bonus from work to pay medical bills and further enrich a wealthy institution instead of stuffing most of it into a Roth IRA made me begin to re-evaluate things even more than the condition itself. The cynical side of my personality has been boosted rather dramatically, especially when it comes to things where the price tag is ludicrous, opportunistic and abusive and/or the product is a poor price to value proposition. I can't identify a better example of that than a 5090. I go in on 5/30 for tests to confirm the treatment was effective and boost my medical expense account balance from zero to whatever my deductible and copay is going to amount to. Side benefit... my updated forum signature is smaller now.

I really like the 9070 XT. First AMD GPU I have owned that I can say that. Not the world's fastest, but probably the best bang for the buck. I will try the newer driver this weekend and see how it compares. I just got the build with the Gene redone. I like it. The Antec Constellation C8 case is such a nice one, just a bit smaller than I would like it to be. After putting the 9070 XT in it and putting the RAM back on air, the dual 360 loop with only the CPU on water really cleaned things up. Now I need to redo the build with the triple radiator in the O11D XL EVO, delid the CPU in the Gene, then I think I am done. On a personal note, I am so happy I cancelled my Apex order and did not buy a 5090. I really like the AORUS Master mobo. A couple of minor gripes: no BIOS option to disable WiFi/BT M.2 slot and no setting to adjust the POST wait time to enter setup, but the Cabron was also missing the latter for some stupid reason. I will either physically remove the WiFi7/BT card that I have no use for or maybe see if I can mod the BIOS to add the two missing menu options. (Already asked Gigabyte and they just said no and used the excuse that nobody else is complaining about it and suggested I disable it in Device Manager if I don't want it. Losers.) After selling the Gigabyte 4090, white Apex, TG Xtreem 8200 and 14900KS I purchased the second 9950X, second TG Mycro, 5 radiators, 12 fans, my third Sabrent Quad NVMe card, two D5 pump/reservoirs, tubing, fittings, an Alphacool Core block for the 4090 Suprim (replacing the Bykski block primarily for aesthetic reasons favoring the look of the Core) a couple more 2TB NVMe, a 9600X CPU for the B850 build given to my grand daughters, two 800W UPSes and still have $600 sitting in my PayPal account, LOL. I would have needed to add money to buy a non-FE 5090. When I stop and think about this it makes the thought of buying one just seems totally ludicrous to me now. I was very tempted to blow $3K+ on a GPU I didn't need.

Plenty of NVMe storage... GPU still PCIe 5.0 X16. Both Sabrent Quad NVMe cards running at their full Gen3 X4 speeds on both chipset X16 slots. No botched up bifurcation trash. 10 NVMe, 3 SATA.

That's excellent. If it's 1.100V without even using the 100mV slider that is very good news, especially if using it takes it up to 1.200V. The 4090 Suprim and Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC are both 1.100V max with the extra 100mV, which isn't enough.

I don't mind a game having options available to use a controller. I know some people prefer that and I'm okay with whatever floats their boat. Gaming should be done in whatever matter the gamer wants it. What I don't like is having no controller connected and being forced to work my way through configuration menus that assume I have a controller attached even though I don't, and all of the on screen action prompts show me controller buttons to press even though no controller is attached. There are a lot of console games ported to PC that don't have that kind of a shortcoming. That's awesome brother @johnksss I'm super glad to hear that you're pleased. PNY has my attention and I expect to see great things develop with their brand with Vince involved. If given the chance I'm pretty sure he's going to take them to greatness like he did with EVGA

I generally do not ever enjoy playing RPG titles. That won't come as a surprise to anyone here, but this one has lots of long cutscenes and too much boring time wasted watching them other than actually engaging in action. I don't mind a few short cutscenes here and there in a title with lots of pulse pounding action, but I'm not too much into watching fantasy cartoons. And the plethora of unimportant character configuration options is pretty annoying. Just give me a 30 second intro at the start of a chapter, give me guns and bullets, then get out of my way while I rain down hellfire and brimstone, LoL.

So, I got Monster Hunter Wilds as a freebie with the second 9950X. I'd already run the free Steam benchmark and was pretty sure I thought it would suck. Kind of like the Final Fantasy franchise. Nice benchmarks, but sucky games. I was right. I redeemed the code and installed it, and it is an extremely sucky game. Can't believe they get $60 for such a piece of crap. It's essentially everything that don't like in a game, LOL. Fortunately it was free and I don't have to care. Will reclaim the drive space wasted on it. On top of everything else, it's built for people that love using gamepad controllers and not a keyboard-friendly title.

That will be helpful for the fragile petite power cables as well. Those slim cables are just so darned cute... especially the RGB type. If you choose red you won't even notice when the fire starts.

I'm gladder than ever that I didn't allow my hobby to drive a reward of overpriced bad behavior. The Green Goblin is long overdue for getting a red-hot ice pick to the gonads.

It will be fine. No pain, no gain. The world needs to be reminded that delayed gratification is a good thing. Long term results are more important than fulfillment of short-sighted passions and addictions to things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. The crappy stuff that China sells to us doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. They are expendable and unnecessary commodities that can be produced elsewhere without the sweat of slave laborers and lab rats that bow before the throne of a godless devil. It's time for the tail to stop wagging the dog. Be happy for the world, but especially for the people of China as they prepare to chop off the head of the snake and bring destruction from the inside. China and the Xi Jinping dynast should be memorialized in history for their grandest contribution to the world (COVID-19) and you know what they say about payback.

Maybe for a while, but it is a short-sighted concern that loses sight of the end game. But, it looks like it is working according to plan. Hopefully this will cause China to implode and collapse into a century of poverty, pain and obsurity on the heels of a massive civil war and the end of an evil empire. It might hurt a little bit for us, but in the end the world will profit with the destruction of the Red Devil. It's natural to worry about what it means for us in the short term, but it is important to care more about what it means long term, for us and the rest of the world, our children, grandkids and great grandkids and the optimism that will come to a world in which China no longer matters to anyone. They're going to hurt a lot more than any of us will. And, that's how it should be and according to plan. No work, no money, no food... won't take much longer, especially with so many starving and newly unemployed slave worker mouths to feed.

Sad to see so much performance gimping happening on a GPU where the manufacturers did not gimp on the price. Hardly seems right. Because it isn't. It's realy messed up, just like the unrealistically unethical and totally absurd overpricing. In light of the predatory pricing they should all be capable of a running double stock core and VRAM clocks.

How much is real versus imaginery is open to speculation or further evidence as proof, but I've heard more than one person say that when installing an X3D CPU the only guarantee of full performance is to do a clean install of Winduhz. Maybe that only applies to changed from a non-X3D to an X3D CPU or dual CCD on the same platform. Thanks. That's definitely a goal. I am so tired of having the congested work space with no wiggle room.

I am using the same driver as you, too. Maybe it is something with the 9800X3D that doesn't like that game? The B850 AORUS Elite got a 9600X CPU and the Srix 1080 installed with a DDR5-6000 kit that I tightened up the timings enough that it is almost as swift as my DDR5-8000 tuned in both 9950X systems. (90GB/s read and 56.0ns latency.) My grand daughters are elated and binging on Fortnite at 1440p. (I also gave them one of my Predator 1440p 165Hz IPS monitors.) Anyhoo... I still have a few things to find a place for in my tiny little hot office. But, it is tidied up enough for me to function when I return to work tomorrow. (Today was a day of PTO.) While I don't consider myself "old" yet, I can tell that I am not young anymore. I basically spent three days redoing things. Got rid of one of my sit/stand desks and one of the storage cabinets to make it not feel so cramped. I could have done this in one day 5 or 10 years ago without feeling tired or sore from moving furniture around and lifting heavy objects. I moved the ASUS 4K 144Hz display to the wall mount and have the two Predator 4K 160Hz screens on the desk. So, eliminating one desk, one desktop computer and two monitors in this 12x12 space makes me feel a lot less claustrophobic. 🤣 Next project is to build the internal loop inside of the O11D XL EVO with valves to switch between internal loop and chiller. I have sold the XT45 1080 Nova radiator setup pending my finishing that project. This camera phone isn't great. I think the glass cover over the lens is getting dirty or fogged up on the inside. Lights off... Lights on...

I finally got around to running this. Stock GPU, 4K and Ultra Preset:

That would be totally unacceptable. I would return it for a refund or an exchange. Accepting a bad hand in the silicon lottery is just not tolerable with a GPU that costs $3,000+ and the "sorry, no guarantees as long as it runs stock" is pure bull crap. That wouldn't fly with me for even a hot second.

The A$$zeus fanboys are gonna love this post... 😆 https://www.overclock.net/posts/29457390/ I wish them all good luck with the grossly overpriced and poorly designed Apex with defective PCIe bifurcation.

Yes, but it may be a couple of days. I'm buried in projects and my office is totally torn up and I'm not able to use either system at the moment. Sold the MORA and dual XSPC Photon 240 D5 pumps to Brother @johnksss. Getting it boxed up was difficult. The weight was 35 pounds and I used the box the Montech AIR MAX came it. Something for FE-lovers. https://www.overclock.net/threads/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card.1815879/

Price. I would buy a 5080 if it were a good value like the 9070 XT. It doesn't need to be the best if it is good and the price is in scope with the performance. It should be priced between $750 to $1000 for non-FE cards. They're about twice what I would be willing to spend on one.

I received product availability emails today from MSI for severely overpriced 5080 GPUs. No thanks.

Finally received the radiators and fans for the O11D XL EVO. Still waiting for the tubing and should have it tomorrow. Besides high GPU prices I am finding it harder to get some things fast from Amazon and NewEgg because nothing is in stock and I have to piece together parts from various sources. The large 13/19mm tubing I prefer to use is harder to source than it used to be. I guess the kiddos like the skinnier tubing because it looks nice. EPDM was even considered as an option, but the 13/19 size was sold out everywhere with no ETA on new stocck.