Mr. Fox

That sure is some crazy high latency. Are you sure that is accurate? It looks like AIDA64 is not reading some things correctly. It does not show your actual memory clock and I have my doubts that the CPU clock is reading correctly (9900% overclock with 25MHz default). If you do a full report in AIDA64 and choose the option to send it to Finalwire along with your email, there is a good chance they will update it for proper function on your CPU. You can include a message asking the same when you send it to them. (You do that from within AIDA64.) They have done this for me many times over the years. Sometimes it takes a few days, but they've always gotten back to me.

Try kicking that voltage up to at least 1.450V or 1.500V and I think progress will come easier. Tighter timings and higher clocks will be attainable. The voltage you are using (under 1.100V) is too low and that will make it difficult to find stability. Edit: nevermind. I missed you said mesh. I thought memory.

It makes me very happy to know that efforts of technology leaders (dumbasses) to advance AI are failing and I hope they continue to fail hard so that all companies abandon it because their financial losses are too great for them to continue pursuing something so stupid and undesirable. Not only am I pleased about that, I am equally filled with glee that it demonstrates a failure on the part of those companies to influence (manipulate) consumer mindset about this unwanted and unwelcomed technology. They will have to find a new way to advance their nefarious schemes and extortion plots to defraud the human race. I hope their losses are so painful and severe that they are reluctant and fearful of trying pulling another similar stunt in the future. Along with this, I hope that NVIDIA suffers financial losses equivalent to what Intel has suffered in recent days. They all need to be pulled off of their high-horses, gruffly smacked around, and taken down a peg or two... or three. Yes, one can 3D print all sorts of things, but that doesn't mean that one should. 3D printing offers endless possibilities for creative expression, apparently none of which should ever be viewed as "too tacky" for consumers. Tacky products will always have a place because being tacky has become mainstream, at least generationally. (Look no further than the absurdly ugly trash for sale like Yeston GPUs and PC cases plastered with stupid-looking Manga and anime graphics.) I knew we were starting to circle the drain when decals somehow became an important and valuable "accessory" included with motherboards. God, please save us from the stupidity that surrounds us. Isn't that already one of the primary underlying commercial purposes and intents behind AI? I might (maybe) know what is prompting you to ask that question. It's unfortunate that stupidity has become the new normal. It's tragic when the stupid have no idea how stupid they really are.

Not knowing, or having no explanation... unacceptable

I just ordered one of these from China on eGay - new/unopened - New ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR X670E GENE AMD X670 Socket AM5 Micro ATX DDR5 Motherboard This only after confirming that using the PCIe slot does not drop the GPU to x8 from x16. It will be interesting to see how much more pleasant the Ryzen memory overclocking will be with a legit 2-DIMMer mobo. I hope it is as beneficial as it has been on Intel to not be saddled with a crappy 4-slot mess. https://www.overclock.net/posts/29405574/ The refund on the Carbon will cover 2/3 of the cost of the grossly overpriced 2-DIMM Gene. It sucks that we have to pay ludicrous prices to get something we want when you know it didn't cost more to make it than the options that you don't like. I don't like A$$zeus at all, but I keep ending up as a customer due to the alternatives being less appealing based on bad the design decisions of the manufacturers that I would prefer to buy from. I am very skeptical of the rumors that several 2-DIMM DDR5 enthusiast-grade motherboard options are coming soon for AMD or Intel. Better to grab this now, while still available, than to wait until they are gone only to find out too late that the rumors never materialized and all we are left with is crappy 4-DIMM configurations. The Gene only needs to beat this to be worth its salt. I suspect it will do that handily. Considering the Carbon is cursed as a 4-DIMM, it is very respectable based on its physical handicap. So, I will be joining Brother @jaybee83in the X670E Crosshair Fellowship.

Finding it in the size I need is a challenge for me, and when I do it is generally 3 to 5 times more expensive. Tygon is more durable and chemical resistant in industrial applications than EPDM, but I doubt there are any discernable difference in the way we would be using them for PC cooling. Edit: I actually just found this. I might get some the next time I need tubing. Still a bit more expensive, but not nearly as bad as the EPDM sold for PC cooling. https://www.fixsupply.com/zusa-ht-443-epdm-tubing-1-2-id-x-3-4-od-x-10-ft-long

I have not found any except for the overpriced options sold for PC cooling. Do you know of one that does not have the specs printed on the tubing that is reasonably priced? I won't buy the Tygon/EPDM tubing sold for use on PC because it is extremely overpriced and a poor value. It is also difficult to find Tygon in the tubing size I use (13mm ID x 19mm OD) and buying all new fittings in the smaller 10mm ID x 16mm size would be very costly. I have been using the larger tubing size for years, but it seems to be losing popularity for some reason.

I have been buying up new and used EK-Quantum Torque G1/4 fittings and EK AF ball valves (which are hard to find) on clearance and eGay just so I can have spares. The Quantum Torque rotary fittings and AF ball valves are unmatched quality. Very brawny, top quality and have never leaked around the moving parts. (I have had numerous rotary fittings, even name brand, being to have minor leaks over time, but never once with the EK parts mention above.) The clear tubing from Home Depot works fine for my long runs from PC to radiator/chiller, but it's not ideal for use inside of the chassis if you have any sharp turns because it is WAY TOO STIFF. It also has a memory and tries to return to its coiled shape, and that seems to last forever. So, if you are going to have any sharp turns do go with the Tygon instead. I thought I could straighten the coiling memory issue by laying a long tube of it in my backyard pulled straight and left in the blazing Arizon heat (110°C+) for a while. While it did soften it while it was too hot to touch, it did not help with the tubing trying to coil up. My last round of tubing replacement I used automotive rubber fuel/heater hose (0.5"/13mm ID x 0.75"/19mm OD) for the long runs from the PC to the radiator/chiller and it works perfectly. Like Tygon, but a fraction of the cost.

By all means check with the liquid metal to confirm the improvement, but I would strongly recommend getting the Ryzen Mycro Pro direct die block from Thermal Grizzly at some point anyway when it can be worked into your budget. It is ideal and designed exclusively for direct die application. It's near perfect and it was engineered to be. The same applies to the IceMan Cooling direct die blocks. They're not engineered with the same level of precision and attention to detail as the Intel Mycro Pro (I have both) but still work extremely well (essentially identical to the Mycro Pro). Either option on my LGA-1700 systems is far and away better than anything else.

Same here. I have no issues whatsoever being happy with SATA SSD speeds for OS drives or frequenty-access storage, or SATA HDD for occassional-access file storage, such as drivers, software installers, OS ISO files, Macrium drive image backups, etc. NVMe SSD speeds (even Gen 2) are nice to have but anything above Gen 3 is not what I would consider necessary and not worth paying extra for. The only thing I see as a drawback with SATA is the extra cables and the added physical space it occupies inside of the computer. What I care about most is having storage that is the least expensive option and reliable. Average mainstream speeds are totally sufficient. This 6-second snippet was my favorite part of the video.

Very informative video that cuts through all of the silly nonsense and deceptive marketing hype associated with storage. PCIe 5.0 is really a waste that steals resources from motherboards and attached components that could be put to a much better use (extra M.2 slots, SATA ports and PCIe slots).

💯old = reliable and stable / new = inconsistent and compromised

I wish MSI would get their firmware sorted. They've confirmed they know "per CCD" overclocking is broken, have released numerous beta BIOS updates, but have yet to fix it. The only way I can set the weaker CCD at a max stable clock and max out the stronger CCD is by using Windows software. I really hate that, and Ryzen Master is a crappy piece of rubbish. This function worked on the Taichi, but memory overclocking on the Taichi really sucked. The Safe Boot feature on the Carbon is also broken. Safe Boot will work on one BIOS version, then they'll break it on the next, then fix it again. As much as I hate A$$zeus I may have have to ignore what a sorry outfit they are and order a Gene from China and send the Carbon back to NewEgg before my holiday return window closes. I really like the Carbon, but don't know why they can't figure things out on the firmware. (These are things the PBO gamerboy sheeple would probably never know were broken.) https://hwbot.org/submission/5725591_

Intel mesh would likely see solild gains in the same way FCLK (Infinity fabric) overclocking helps on Ryzen. There is not a lot of information to be found online because overclocking is being slowly killed by retarded architectural trends and engineering defects. I always thought it was difficult to find good information for Intel non-HEDT overclocking, but it is far more difficult with AMD to find any useful info. There is less on HEDT to be found most likely because of the comparatively astronomical cost of the motherboards, CPUs and extra memory modules making the purchases of those parts cost prohibitive for overclocking enthusiasts. The only way to get into it without it costing an arm, leg, one eye and the soul of your first-born is to wait until the parts are obsolete/EOL products. EVGA Dark and Classified motherboardd included an option in the BIOS to disable the Intel ME and I always disabled it because it is totally worthless and unnecessary. It should be a standard BIOS feature on all motherboards, all price ranges. A side-benefit that some people care about is computers with Intel ME disabled are more secure. EVGA did, and ASUS does, provide an option to select micro-code versions in the BIOS on their enthusiast-tier consumer motherboards. I would hope the same should be applied on HEDT boards. If not, there should be. I do not remember seeing options to choose micro-code version in the BIOS prior to LGA-1700.

I am excited to see how much it drops your temps as well. It always has been unnecessary and a bad idea. ASUS is the worst about bundling it in the BIOS cancer updates rather than letting computer owners decide if they want the new ME cancer. It's stupefying and baffling that there are people that go out deliberately looking for ME updates to manually upgrade to the newest feces to slow down their computers.

I don't use it anyhow. No need for silly bloat like that IMHO. I felt the same way about GeFarts Experience and do not install it. There is nothing I can identify to suggest a good reason for me to install the new NVIDIA App or GeFarts Experience. I am very sad with the thought that the no-nonsense legacy NVIDIA Control Panel will be going away. It's going to suck having to install the App trash

Yes, they are totally legit. But, they are primarily a local storefront. Many things they sell are not available for shipping, and must be picked up in person. Much like MC only a whole lot smaller. One thing to be aware of, if you were not already... if your motherboard does not have Resizable Bar Support the Intel GPU may not work correctly. Intel's GPUs must have that functionality to work correctly. I do not know if your HEDT motherboard has that or not. Totally accurate. They are not a 24/7 e-tailer focused on internet sales, but I have found them pleasant to work with and I had no issues at all with the trash bin 14900KS I returned to them because it was rubbish.

Had Core Ultra included hyperthreading it is somewhat unlikely I would have purchased the 9950X. The lack of it was the nail in the coffin for 285K. It made the CPU a eunuch on face value. No testing necessary. Game over. It was as if Intel deliberately forfeited the match and simply handed AMD the win. Bastards. So, speaking of 9950X, @Raiderman CPU delid is done and it's ready to send it back home again. MSI released BIOS v1.A1G for the X870E Carbon. This platform was very sketchy using 24GB memory modules. I can now run my TeamGroup Xtreem 8200 48GB kit on it with the memory tuned at 8000 manually. It will boot 8400 and run 8200 with some minor errors that I could likely tune away if I wanted to waste an inordinate amount of time trying to. There is not a lot of difference between 8000 and 8200 or 8400 and 8600 on Intel. There is even less difference in those steps on AMD. It's kind of freaky how 8200 and 8000 are nearly identical on the 9950X. Read/write/copy and latency don't really change or improve with the higher clock, so I am probably not going to waste time trying to tune 8200.

That's odd. I have not experienced either of those issues and I use Zoom at work and it works fine. Did you get the out of GPU memory playing games? I don't play games a whole lot, but haven't run into that with COD or BF, Crysis titles, etc.

I mentioned a couple of times the PCIe quad NVMe card that I use in the bottom PCIe slot on the Carbon with no effect on the GPU, but could NOT use on the Taichi without the GPU falling to x8. So, Brother @cylix even if the Taichi were not an E-ATX, being able to use all 4 NVMe slots at the expense of forfeiting the viability of using the bottom x16 slot makes the Taichi is a horrible trade-off and that makes it an instant loser. (Nevermind the fact that it sucks at memory overclocking and has horrid memory latency compared to the Carbon.) The Carbon has 1xM.2 Gen5 above the GPU slot and 1xM.2 Gen 5 below the GPU. It has two more Gen4 M.2 slots, so four in total. If you use the M.2 slot under the GPU slot it will cut the GPU slot to x8. So, I leave that M.2 slot empty and use the bottom PCIe x16 slot with the Sabrent card (Quad NVMe) with no effect on the GPU. I give up one M.2 slot for the luxury of adding three move NVMe drives. So, I have seven NVMe drives in use on the Carbon and the GPU is still x16. This is what I use. I have one in the Z790 Apex as well. SABRENT 4-Drive NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter Card [EC-P3X4]

I am finding X870E Carbon 1A1B Beta (from svet as MSI forum) is working as well as 1A14 or maybe a little better, but only if I leave PPT set to "Auto" instead of disabled. Disabling PPT seems to adversely affect memory training on AMD. It reduces latency on Intel. https://hwbot.org/submission/5717708_

Fanboys of any sort are hard to respect. I have a lot more respect for people that have no issues calling balls and strikes and are not afraid to tell someone their baby is ugly, as long as they give credit when it is due regardless of brand. There is a list of pros and cons for everything.

https://browser.geekbench.com/ai/v1/155172 | https://hwbot.org/submission/5716615_ 3DMark11 Physics Only (CPU) https://hwbot.org/submission/5716585_