Mr. Fox

Nope, I already have the equivalent of that from ASUS and I refuse to use it. I do not want Gen5 because I want my GPU to run at Gen4 x16. If you put Gen5 in an x16 slot with a card like that the GPU will not run full speed. It will drop to x8. Plus, NVMe Gen3 speeds are good enough for me. Even the very first generation of NVMe is good enough for me. I don't care about drive speeds after Gen3. The faster speeds of Gen4 and Gen5 NVMe do not matter to me. The only way I would want it is if nothing else had to be compromised as a trade-off. None of the compromises or trade-offs are worth it. I would want one of those MSI cards if it was x1 or x4, but not x16. I have a Sabrent PCIe x4 quad NVMe card and it is awesome. That is very sad, but also not surprising. ASUS is not a good company and, as far as I know, they never have been. If they ever were a good company it was sometime before I purchased my first ASUS ROG motherboard. They sucked before everyone discovered they do.

That is just wonderful news, brother. I'm so happy that it worked out exactly like you wanted. Not only did you get your GPU working again, but you got the vBIOS working that it should have had from the factory.

Funny, I just watched that video today. "Seems like you hate efficiency got it 👍" warrants a response like "Seems like you love e-waste and disposable products... yeah, that's really efficient... good job." and these are the same ridiculous bozos that believe humans are causing climate change and have the ability to affect or influence it. Hypocrisy is just one of the syptoms of abject stupidity.

Products coming to market brandishing an "AI" label on them are for artificially intelligent consumers (aka idiots) that believe they are buying something special or unique. Even something as idiotic as a mouse with a button to launch Copilot feces shows how low the bar is set on consumer stupidity.

Nice to see Roman calling BS on all of the AI idiocy. We've never had as much smoke blown up our butts as this stupid AI crap.

Me too. But, I want to be convinced with other people's money first. People I know that think like me. No more crash test dummy life for me. Too many regrets with that approach.

Allowing updates to occur is never smart. Too many undisclosed things can occur. I have updates "paused" until August of 3000 and my target version for updates is 21H2 (22H2 is installed). According to Micro$lop documentation, if you have an invalid target version manually selected, no feature updates will be available to the computers with an invalid target version. I have also disabled the ability for the OS to query Micro$lop Update servers for the presence of available updates. A "don't ask, don't tell, do nothing" approach to managing updates. Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 ; Created with Winaero Tweaker 1.62.1.0 ; https://winaero.com [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\PolicyState] "DeferQualityUpdates"=dword:00000000 "DeferFeatureUpdates"=dword:00000000 "BranchReadinessLevel"="CB" "IsDeferralIsActive"=dword:00000001 "IsWUfBConfigured"=dword:00000000 "IsWUfBDualScanActive"=dword:00000000 "PolicySources"=dword:00000010 "QualityUpdatesPaused"=dword:00000001 "QualityUpdatePausePeriodInDays"=dword:000571d1 "FeatureUpdatesPaused"=dword:00000001 "FeatureUpdatePausePeriodInDays"=dword:000571d1 "PauseFeatureUpdatesStartTime"="2023-08-05T23:00:00Z" "PauseFeatureUpdatesEndTime"="3000-07-11T22:00:00Z" "PauseQualityUpdatesStartTime"="2023-08-05T23:00:00Z" "PauseQualityUpdatesEndTime"="3000-07-11T22:00:00Z" "TargetProductVersion"="21H2" "TargetReleaseVersion"="21H2" "UseUpdateClassPolicySource"=dword:00000000 "SetPolicyDrivenUpdateSourceForFeatureUpdates"=dword:ffffffff "SetPolicyDrivenUpdateSourceForQualityUpdates"=dword:ffffffff "SetPolicyDrivenUpdateSourceForDriverUpdates"=dword:ffffffff "SetPolicyDrivenUpdateSourceForOtherUpdates"=dword:ffffffff "ExcludeWUDrivers"=dword:00000001 "IsDisableDualScanConfigured"=dword:00000001 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UpdatePolicy\Settings] "PausedFeatureStatus"=dword:00000002 "PausedQualityStatus"=dword:00000002 "PausedFeatureDate"=hex(b):00,58,a2,8f,f0,c7,d9,01 "PausedQualityDate"=hex(b):00,58,a2,8f,f0,c7,d9,01 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings] "ActiveHoursEnd"=dword:00000011 "ActiveHoursStart"=dword:00000008 "AllowAutoWindowsUpdateDownloadOverMeteredNetwork"=dword:00000000 "ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate"=dword:00000001 "FlightCommitted"=dword:00000000 "IsExpedited"=dword:00000000 "LastToastAction"=dword:00000000 "UxOption"=dword:00000004 "FlightSettingsMaxPauseDays"=dword:00000e46 "PauseFeatureUpdatesStartTime"="2023-08-05T23:00:00Z" "PauseFeatureUpdatesEndTime"="3000-08-02T18:11:10Z" "PauseQualityUpdatesStartTime"="2023-08-05T23:00:00Z" "PauseQualityUpdatesEndTime"="3000-08-02T18:11:10Z" "PauseUpdatesStartTime"="2023-08-05T23:00:00Z" "PauseUpdatesExpiryTime"="3000-08-02T18:11:10Z" "SmartActiveHoursSuggestionState"=dword:00000000 "SmartActiveHoursTimestamp"=hex(b):16,2a,62,53,d6,b3,da,01 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\UX\Settings\ModelState] "SignalRegistered"="::2F204AE060" Pause Windows Updates until Aug 3000.reg

Yeah, too many unknown issues to be excited about this change. The way things go now, things rarely turn out as good as expected and I do not expect this will end well. It's unusual when new tech stuff doesn't suck. This is because the companies that design and manufacture technology products are idiots and the industry is composed of entities that are fundamentally dishonest. So, a wait and see ho-hum approach is the safest bet. Time will tell. I don't want to fund their unnecessary and frivolous experiments.

I am curious why would you want a proprietary/unproven new form factor intended for turdbooks on a desktop motherboard. This whole thing seems like an unnecessary change for the sake of change and just a gimmick to drive sales/profit for people selling hardware. There is nothing wrong with the memory slots we already have. Moving to this would limit your options as well. Just like the retarded 12VHPWR connector IMHO... totally unnecessary and possibly with more negatives than positives from what I can see right now. It might have some benfits, but I would definitely wait a year, maybe two, and see what happens with this. We don't know what the gotchas will turn out to be so it might be best to let others use their money and pay to be guinea pigs. Especially so if the CAMM memory kits are more expensive. Potential Pros: It might be easier to cool with a waterblock than two DIMM modules Speeds start at 8400 (if that ultimately proves to be accurate and isn't just marketing hype) Eliminates the challenge of identifying an acceptable 2-DIMM motherboard (4-DIMM sucks) Being cynical and skeptical, I wonder if the main reason this is being experimented with on desktop boards is because somebody does not want their pet project to fail. The idea of using these CAMM things in turdbooks is probably DOA because it takes up as much or more space than SO-DIMMs in a market where an irrational pursuit of thin and light trash is the primary driving force. If it survives for two or more hardware generations, can be purchased for less than traditional memory kits, and becomes the new industry standard, at that point it would be something where I would embrace adoption.

They will backtrack on the surface due to public rejection of the idea while quietly redeploying it with the other malware payload already hidden in Winduhz 11. They only care about optics (and then only sometimes) when they derive a benefit such as avoidance of critical scrutiny and legal challenge, but their sleazy sliminess never diminishes. Ugliness is sometimes only on the outside with great beauty on the inside. Sometimes there is beauty only on the outside. With them, ugliness starts on the surface and goes all the way to their core. Find something good about them has never been more difficult. I am not sure there is anything. The mere fact that they created this should cause everyone--even really stupid people--to question their intelligence and their integrity. But, there will still be idiots that opt-in to this filth. Those that don't opt-in will still have their data collected and stolen in secret. But, they will have the placebo of security because they said no. They refused to give a straight answer before. Skunks do not change their stripes. They'll just do it in secret going forward. Big tech ranks along side big government and big parma when it comes to being unworthy of trust and respect. There is not a shred of decency to be found in their miserable existence, and these clowns are the godfather of big tech slime. Because they are certifiably idiots with delusions of grandeur. The only way to legitimize the use of Winduhz 11 is to butcher it so that it no longer resembles the excrement they envisioned. The most satisfying element of that is the pleasure that comes from the defiance in violating the EULA and terms of service.

I really hope that is true. It would be kind of nice to see nobody release anything for two or three years. Just keep selling what they already have. CPU and GPU. Maybe then more people would pull their heads out and realize they don't actually need anything new because what we already have is more than good enough, and what comes next will cost more and probably not be as good in some ways. The tech world is long overdue for a healthy depression/reset and having them take a "chill pill" would be nice. They could use the "time out" to clean up some of their sloppy messes from rushing half-baked crap to market.

Speaking of this place... It's not even close to summer weather yet. If you have ever heard the expression "dryer than a popcorn fart" this is what it means. Today's high will be the overnight low in a few more weeks. No need to worry about condensation using the chiller. There ain't nothing to condense, LOL. 🤣

You are mad, Brother. A mad overclocker, and that's a good thing.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/hands-on-with-the-only-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-model-that-has-12v-2x6-power-connector.323300/post-5267709

Being the 12V-2x6 (H++) variant of the same underlying trash design doesn't make it OK. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/hands-on-with-the-only-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-model-that-has-12v-2x6-power-connector.323300/post-5267267 https://www.overclock.net/posts/29336456/

And, they probably think having no USB Type-A port is something they should be proud of. Only, Type-C? Throw out all of your Type-A USB devices? Or, use an adapter for everything? So, that is the solution? Hmmmm... As we know...

Seems like a fitting place to share this. There is also a Vista GUI option. https://r8p.teknixstuff.com/ Besides low system resources, it seems like this GUI correction actually improved performance. This is much closer to Windows 7 wprime 32m performance than Windows 10/11 can do. Windows 10/11 wPrime 32m performance is normally horribly sluggish.

Hmmmm. Inspired by kitties? I don't think so. Kitties are cute and all that, but that's for wusses and mama's-boys. I prefer computers to be inspired by weapons of mass destruction and a bone-crushing fear of the apocalypse.

Stupidity has never been more repulsive. I don't give a rat's butt about efficiency or battery life. Give me maximum performance and let the chips fall where they may on the other unimportant nonsense. If they want to focus on stupid stuff like that for turdbooks, then fine. I don't care. Just don't eff up my desktop with idiotic mobile trash priorities.

I'm so happy that you got your GPU working again that's awesome. My heart was just sick for you that it was messed up. I'm not sure why there is not more of them. It makes no sense. Two DIMM has always been better for memory overclocking. There's really no point in it and they know it. Two slot boards should be common and four slot rare. It almost feels like the motherboard manufacturers are mocking us by producing almost exclusively 4-DIMM crap.

Exactly. While that can be true when many things are equal, many things are often not equal. If we were paying attention we learned this from Bulldozer and Piledriver rubbish CPUs that had high clock speeds and performed like crap. A CPU that performs better only because it has more cores doesn't make it a better product. If you calculate dividing by core/tread count it might be worse. A CPU that has fewer cores/threads and higher clocks and performs equal or better with the lower core/thread count is a stronger CPU, it just lacks cores and threads. If it clocks higher and performs worse when the core/thread count is equal or greater, then it is a trash CPU. What we need is more of MOAR and more MOAR of everything. More cores, more clock, more IPC and more power. When you hit go, all hell should break loose, the lights should dim or the circuit breakers should trip. Doing more with less is the wuss way out. We can leave that to the pantywaisted sissy-boys that use "efficiency" as a crutch to justify lackluster garbage and love their "efficient" overheating turdbooks. So, it only uses 50W. Well whoopdeedoo. If it only pulls 50W then why is it thermal throttled at 105°C? Simple. Because it is garbage. Totally different than it's 105°C because it is pulling 650W and you have a crappy thermal solution.

Boom, boom, boom, boom, beep, boop, beep, beep...

Seems like it is getting harder to find 2-DIMM DDR5 mobos, which are the only kind that make sense for enthusiasts and gamerboys that care about RAM speed. That suggests to me that the mobo OEMs are stupid or don't give a rat's butt what their customers want or need, and maybe also suggests that most of their customers are ignorant. You would think they would want people to be happy with their purchase and the reputation that follows having happy customers. Selling 4-DIMM gamer and enthusiast mobos is a good way to increase the chances that they will not be happy. The people that don't know any better will buy a 2-DIMM 8000 kit that won't boot, or won't run stable, and blame the RAM or the mobo OEM instead of understanding it is their bad choice. I will not purchase a 4-DIMM DDR4 or DDR5 mobo. Doing so is like flush money down the toilet. Longer traces means lower clocks, higher latency and often more voltage is needed. No thanks.

I expanded on your thoughts a little bit (above). It is truly disgusting. It is not only barely large enough for a basic build, whether air or water cooled, but it is extremely limiting in more ways than I care to count. This product is for the person that values weird aesthetics and form more than flexibility and function. It smells like the same substance that makes turdbooks so sucky. This engineering abortion is more limiting than my SFF build that is half the size. Well... just... eeewwww. 🤪

It's very sluggish for me as well. The Lian Li design team must have been intoxicated when they designed this. Perhaps the most illogical design I can remember. I wouldn't touch this abortion it with a 10-foot pole. Truly idiotic design.