Mr. Fox

Spoiler Alert: I decided to do something constructive. When the 3060 Ti block and other parts arrive and I have time to tinker, I am going to be moving Banshee to an external cooling solution like Wraith. Both of the high quality internal radiators will be offered for sale in the forum marketplace. Having radiators inside of the chassis traps too much heat. This became glaringly evident with an air-cooled GPU, which is kind of an engineering abortion in its own way... does exactly the same thing as the radiators do, only worse. (I didn't realize having air cooling on a GPU sucks so much.) Under load it gets 20°C hotter with the side panel on that it does with no side panel, and blowing hot air onto everything is kind of stupid when you stop and think about it. "Hey computer parts! Enjoy this hot air. Love you guys." LOL

It is unfortunate that it is white, that Colorful GPUs are seldom found for sale in the US, only the GPU core is actively cooled (RAM and power rely on passive cooling) and the pump is located inside of the block rather than on the radiator. I suspect it is overpriced on top of having some fairly glaring bad design decisions. Latency is too high. XMP profiles always suck at performance. I am not sure why they exist. (Actually I do know, but it is very condescending toward a particular demographic, so I will keep that opinion to myself even though it is accurate.) Read my review on the product and try some of the settings I show there. https://extremehw.net/all-reviews/corsair-vengeance-rgb-ddr5-6000-32gb-memory-review/ You can also try the motherboards custom memory overclocking profiles. Chances are good they will perform better than an XMP profile. When you get SK Hynix RAM, this review and the associated video might make it easier to jump in without a lot of trial and error. Every SK Hynix kit I have owned has behaved nearly identical with only minor variances in the max overclock limit based on silicon lottery. https://extremehw.net/all-reviews/sabrent-rocket-ddr5-16gb-u-dimm-review/ Yeah, I had no idea either. When I received that kit from Corsair for review I was like "huh? what?" It performed well enough until the voltage cap whas exhausted. I really don't like RGB memory and would deliberately go out of my way to avoid it, and pay a little extra for RAM that is not downgraded by RGB (even though you usually pay more for that fancy stupid gamerboy disadvantage). That being said, it is the most attactive RGB kit I have seen before. I think it looks better than the Dominator modules.

Yeah, those temps are great. Seeing what they are, I would not delid that CPU. It runs cooler than my 12900K and 12900KS (both delidded) despite running much higher clocks. Maybe Intel figured out how to do the soldering right to eliminate the need to delid. Corsair Vengeance 6000 kits can come with B-die or Hynix M-die. I included that kit with the mobo and he has it overclocked to 6400. The PMIC is locked to 1.435V, so 6400 is the highest I could get that kit to run. If the PMIC were not capped I suspect they would run 6800. Performance at 6400 was basically identical to Hynix at 6400.

Looking good. Do you have 5 NVMe drives to fill up all of the slots on that mobo? Remember to change those options in the BIOS for PCH power management to keep the PCH nice and cool. They are set to "disabled" by default and the PCH runs hot unless you change the settings to "auto" and then it drops about 18-20°C.

I have been to that Micro Center more than any other, and one in Houston almost as often. Any time I am in Dallas overnight I go into your store. I used to spend about a week in Richardson about a dozen weeks out of the year for work. I would go there and to Hard 8, Spring Creek and Salt Grass religiously, LOL.

I suppose it depends on how you look at it. Am I jealous that I don't have one where I live? You betcha. But I don't think fairness applies, at least in my mind, because that carries a sense of entitlement. It's not unfair that I don't have one here because I haven't done anything to deserve one and there was no promise made that was broken. I think it's fine for private businesses to make decisions that don't allow for equal opportunity for all employees or all customers. If it's privately owned then I think it's up to the owners to make decisions on their own without any concern for outside influence, opinion or input. It's their business to own and run however they deem appropriate, or at least it should be. The government really screws things up by trying to make a level playing field and everything turns out much better in the absence of regulatory Nazi influence and control. But yeah... I'm jealous, LoL. All that said, there are things that I can identify about some of the places that do have a Micro Center that would make me extremely unhappy about living there (high crime, high cost of living, the dominant mindset of the society residing there, higher taxes, objectionable and overbearing government policies, etc.) and having a Micro Center available wouldn't come anywhere close to making it a good enough reason to consider living in those places. I do find it a little bit puzzling that, on the surface, it kind of seems like the ownership of Micro Center are frequently tolerant and forgiving of those conditions. Otherwise they wouldn't open shop in places like some of those cities. I think they would be a lot more profitable in a lot of places other than where they have certain stores because the cost of operation would be dramatically reduced and less regulated, and sales would be equally robust. This might be a reflection of the opinions held by Micro Center ownership... but, that is speculation.

Being in the US doesn't do you any more good than being from somewhere else unless you live within driving distance from a Micro Center, and the one you are close to has this sort of customer-centric policy. For everyone else in the world it doesn't matter because there is no way to buy from them unless you have a friend or relative that lives there and can ship the products to you. They have a web site, but that is also totally useless for anything unless you want to check prices before you go to the store. I recommend that against visiting their web site because all it will do is create anger and/or sadness about the stock availability and prices that you cannot benefit from.

Macrium Reflect, even the free version, is one of the most useful software tools I know if. It has never let me down. It works to image and clone Linux drives as well (when using bootable USB media).

Somebody has to keep that young buck in line, and who better to do it than a crusty old fart like Grandpa Fox? Man, I can't believe how lazy I am getting. I just now put my water-cooled memory kit back in. I have been using the Sabrent memory I did the review for at ExtremeHW all this time because it was too much "effort" to insert it into the motherboard slots and connect two QDC fittings to the manifold.

Let me know when you get ready to delid. You will need some QuickSilver and Flitz, as I don't have any extra on hand.

Dude... yes you do. You're just not remembering. You have a brand new tube of TF7 in the box with that brand new Thermalrite CPU frame that I gave you as a freebie with the mobo. It comes with the CPU frame. And, TF7 is actually a decent compound, so you should be set.

It looks like they are sold out already.

I have owned several TeamGroup Delta DDR5 kits. They make good products, and the Delta RAM is some of the best money can buy. Better than G.SKILL in my opinion. One word of caution about them. Look at how they are shaped. The weird appearance is not the issue, but clearance problems could be. They presented a fairly serious clearance issue for my 3090 backplate waterblock. I had to move the waterblock to a less favorable position in order to install the memory. Just something to be aware of, because the problem is not obvious until you encounter it. If you need to RMA TeamGroup products, you have to pay to ship them back to Taiwan on your own dime and wait for them to process it. So, don't expect anything to happen fast if you have a problem after the easy return/refund period passes with the vendor you buy it from. Awesome. Thanks for sharing this.

How do you know this? Is there a video somewhere I missed? I haven't looked for a couple of weeks, but last time I checked there was no verifiable info that I could find. Depends on what you are wanting to accomplish. In almost everything the performance using that memory kit overclocked to 6400 produced results that were roughly identical and indiscernably different than SK Hynix running 6800. AIDA64 benchmarks were better, but it was difficult to quantify improvement in most things. That said, going from 6400 to 7400 should provide a benefit. It will still be somewhat dependent on what you are doing whether it will be measurable or meaningful. Paying $400 for two 8GB memory sticks is pretty horrible. I bet you will be able to buy A-die for about half that much in 6 to 8 months. All of the early adopters are clamoring to get their hands on it and it is rare right now. It will probably soon become common and inexpensive, just as we saw with M-die. It started out rare and expensive too, 6 or 8 months ago.

That is an indication of an issue with a NewEgg employee(s) or crime somewhere else in the supply chain. Hard to know where, but probably someone that works there is stealing or people in charge of returns are not doing their job. Don't forget about the CPU that I bought from B&H photo that someone returned that was an older CPU with a new CPU IHS on it. I bought it as new, not open box. That doesn't mean B&H tried to pull a fast one on me, but it does say something about the QC and management. Good help is hard to find. I am not excusing it at all. It is inexcusable. I am only saying it is not necessarily an indication that NewEgg is a dishonest company that has a goal of defrauding customers as much as mismanaged or hiring sketchy employees that belong in jail or 6-feet under instead of working at NewEgg. If it is an employee problem, they do not deserve a job and the only real solution for that kind of problem is euthanasia. People that do things like that are sick puppies that do not deserve a place in our world, and do not deserve free (taxpayer paid) room and board in prison. People will stop using them when they have another option. I used to have a Fry's here. Not as good as Microcenter, but better than Best Buy. For a few things (not much) Best Buy is OK. They're not awesome and they don't sell 95% of what I want to buy. So, my options are NewEgg, Amazon, or pay more than something is worth somewhere else that also has a terrible returns policy and charges a lot for slow shipping. If I stop using NewEgg, that leaves me without an option in some cases. Their prices are often better than Amazon.

Yeah, it makes a huge difference, especially since Turing and Ampere have uncontrollable adverse behavior affected by temperature long before the GPUs actually get "hot" and need to throttle. This air cooled GPU is the only desktop GPU I have owned other than a 780 Ti and it is getting seriously hot when overclocked. I hate air cooling, LOL. It sucks. Here is another before and after comparison showing what a huge gap exists between 3060 and 3060 Ti... whodathunkit? That a huge leap between the two. https://hwbot.org/submission/5103306_mr._fox_catzilla___1080p_geforce_rtx_3060_(ga106)_31237_marks https://hwbot.org/submission/5103815_mr._fox_catzilla___1080p_geforce_rtx_3060_ti_(ga104)_40137_marks Do we already know that 13900K is exactly the same under the IHS, with no hidden surprises lurking there? I have not seen a delid video yet that shows us that a 12900K delid tool is safe. I have one you can borrow if you need to. I know it looks the same on the outside, but there could be some SMDs or other landmines. Unless I missed it, Roman hasn't popped the top on one yet.

I am still planning to try to fix the 2080 Ti FTW3. That GPU has been too wonerful to throw away. I just haven't had time to do it. The 3060 Ti never would have been purchased otherwise, and I chose it because (a) it was the cheapest half-decent option available, and (b) Intel's Arc A770 wasn't available. That A770 would have been my first choice for a low cost GPU, and the performance is very similar to the 3060. This purchase was based on business need as it involved the computer I use for work and I use my triple-monitor setup to the point of being crippled without it. I could only use two with the Intel iGFX and using a USB Type C docking station did not support the third monitor. My original plan was to spend nothing and just use the iGPU until I figured out whether or not I could repair the 2080 Ti, but that did not work out. Overclocking doesn't require the newest or most expensive hardware to be fun. Wanting the lastest and greatest is a first-world hangup for me and most of the people I know and like the most, LOL. Even if I hated the 3060 Ti and viewed it as a piece of garbage I would still overclock it and push it to the edge of functionality, just because I like doing that. Even BGA trash that can be overclocked is fun to play with to some degree. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

It does seems weird for sure. But, we are also talking about my "work" computer not my benching beast. And, yeah... totally economic. For economic reasons I may be hanging it up as a matter of having priorities straight. It has never been inexpensive, but I'm just not OK with the absurd and abusive extortion-level pricing of desirable tech, and every time I say yes to overpriced stuff because I want it, I become part of the problem and a direct contributor to their criminal behavior.

True, but if it runs long enough to let you pass benchmarks with a higher score then it just doesn't neeed to be daily driver stable. You can do daily driver mediocrity when you're not benching. (This is obviously a statement for the benefit of readers, not you, LOL.)

Yup, a nice bump for $20 less, LOL. And, this is with it running crazy hot using a Strix vBIOS with a 65W higher power limit. I guess I am going to have to shunt mod this little scrapper after the water block gets here. Before/After links... https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/31679598/spy/31408485# https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/28627838/fs/28566515 https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sw/38525/sw/13298

Well, I got a GPU upgrade for less than the Zotac 3060. I grabbed a 3060 Ti FTW3 on sale from EVGA for about $20 less than the low budget Zotac. Zotac is on its way back to Amazon for a refund. I found out after it was too late that the Zotac 3060 (maybe all of them) have a different bolt pattern around the core and nobody makes a block for it. I have a used EK block incoming for the FTW3. All I should need to do is remove the coupling in the line and screw the compression fittings into the block. (The G1/4 female-to-female coupling is in there now between the compression fittings because I had to remove the 2080 Ti from the loop and that required less effort than messing with tubing.)

Ummm, how 'bout no. No workey. Option to buy online and pickup at the store like Best Buy doesn't seem to be an option for Microcenter. Yeah, totally. It's a good business model even though it is of zero benefit to me. I don't blame them for running things that way. It's really smart on their part.

I am considerably more jealous about the access to a Microcenter that I do not have and may never have than I am the 13900K. That's just wrong, LOL. 🤣 I would buy things from them online, but 100% of the time 100% of anything I would buy is "in store only" so they may as well not exist for me. I am not sure they actually sell anything that involves shipping. This is good for them and good for the people that have access to their stores. It only sucks for the people that don't have access. It looks like you can maybe complete a purchase online, but still have to pick it up at the store.

Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. The first issue I would have with that is him. He would not be down with that. He's almost 30 so he's not a little boy that I can push around. The second issue is that it is a laptop and, while I have one, they're not very interesting to me anymore. I have some fond memories of better days and they will be with me forever. But, even if it were built with current generation desktop CPU and MXM graphics, that ship has sailed and I chose to get off of it while it was still docked. I saw the storm on the horizon. I wouldn't even want it at this point. Desktops are too much better for me to embrace the idea. I came to peace with the idea that laptops are dead to me. The ease of rejecting the X170 was the last litmus test. It just felt good and natural to say no to it. Your comments made me feel happy though. Thank you.