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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Simple. They're just really extra stupid people. And, we get their poop splattered on us. In some cases they fling it on us. I don't have too many issue with Android, but it is like Windows and Mac OS. It gets uglier and loses functionality and has more restrictions with each update And, it is because the people designing software are idiots. No other explanation for it. On top of that they have morbidly disgusting taste when it comes to the aesthetic atrocities they implement. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Sometimes changing the web browser to "desktop view" can help with that, but everything becomes smaller and harder to see. You can pinch zoom to enlage text so it is readable. If I go to HWBOT Forum I cannot even log in with mobile view. There is no option available for my credentials to be entered and nothing on the menu to select for signin unless I switch to desktop view. I think a lot of this is more an issue with Chrome being dumbed down for mobile than it is the Android OS. The Alphabet company is run by monkeys and they produce things for zombie monkeys that are even dumber than they are. Everything revolves around their empire of trash. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Human beings are fundamentally evil and will behave in a manner consistent with being born wicked unless they are taught to believe, think, behave and interact differently. When they are allowed to just figure it out, or handed over to a degenerate public education system for flawed brainwashing, nurturing of their depraved mindset, and malicious programming we get what we've got now. Lots of broken trash thanks to the broken idiots giving it to us. The problem is much bigger than tech hardware turning to feces. That is just a symptom of the deeper problem. It's going to get worse, so buckle up. We ain't seen nothing yet. -
Released today @ryan.
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Yes, I agree. I would do the same. You could flip them for some good money at that price. At that price it would even be worth buying it as a spare part to set on the shelf in case of emergency. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
From a PC, yes. I cannot figure out a way to cut/copy and paste quotes using a mobile platform. That does not work correctly for me on Android even though it is a cinch using a PC. Selecting normal text is easy enough, but selecting the quotes doesn't seem to work on the mobile platform. If there was a way to toggle the post to show the underlying code markup instead of rendered code it would be easy to select like ordinary text, but I do not see that option. (One of the many reasons I hate smartphones and tablets... Slimy touch screen filth versus a keyboard and mouse always sucks. Ctrl+A, Ctrl+X wins every time.) -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
You snagged a new Asrock Z790i Lightning for $116? I just looked and did not see it available for that price. That's insanely cheap and worth buying at that price. I am only seeing it for $279. https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Lightning-Mini-ITX-DisplayPort-Motherboard/dp/B0D3S7Z3YG Or, were you referring to the AIO? -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Interesting that single core would be worse than multi, rather than multi being an exponential equation. A symptom of the stupidity in having a large disparity in turbo clocks on only one or two cores. It sounds like the article is finding the nice things to say so that people who are already predisposed to buying it will buy it. Which is what we expect from most "influencers" in the media. We live in a time where lying is accepted and "marketing" and "journalism" are the politically correct words for the behavior of liars. -
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Are they showing multi-core at all, or not even mentioning it? -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
They should not be having any problems with BIOS defaults, and if that is the case then something is wrong with the BIOS defaults. I have only encountered that "out of memory" error one time and the problem was fixed by dropping the cache overclock from 52x to 51x. My impression is it is largerly caused by inexperienced people trying to overclock or undervolt incorrectly. Starving a CPU of voltage reduces performance and causes instability for sure. I never run my CPUs or memory stock and never hestitate to give them more voltage when they need it to run right, but doing that is a common mistake made by many. I could be wrong, but I suspect these issues are primarily user-induced. Inexperience and ignorance are extremely common, and unintentionally misplaced blame often follows when things don't turn out as hoped. Games are sometimes not the most stable software coding examples and they can have stability issues of their own even when everything is tuned right from a hardware perspective. On top of that, stability issues with gamer noobs getting overzealous with undervolting too much are certainly nothing new. When you have a product that is pushed to the near edge already in its stock form that is going to be even more problematic for them. Some may be undervolting where the solution they actually should be looking at with a sub-par silicon sample is over-volting, but they don't know enough to recognize that their tuning efforts are going 180 degrees in the wrong direction. Yes, I agree. I suspect thermal issues are often a factor. Expecting a caviar-level experience on a crackers and peanut butter budget doesn't happen. We know good and well there are going to be people dropping their i9 into a cheap motherboard with a $25 Amazon air cooler from China and expecting it to run the same as a system that someone else spent 300% more on their build. Not gonna happen. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Nice! Thanks for the link. Maybe it will be more optimal for DDR5. Here was the Russian text: Часть секции ресурсов перекинута из TM5.EXE в TM5.DLL, чтобы тупые антивирусы заткнулись. Google Translate: Part of the resource section is moved from TM5.EXE to TM5.DLL so that stupid antiviruses shut up. Wow, I am jealous. Sweet new toy. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
How do you get the voltage to 1.150V though? Is there a vBIOS that allows more than 1.100V apart than owning a Galax HOF 4090 with XOC vBIOS and overclock software to increase the voltage? I am not aware of any way to increase the voltage unless you own a Galax HOF GPU or break out the soldering iron and use Elmore hardware mods. Yours just might not be cold enough with the air cooler. I know for a fact that the Gigabyte 4090 will not do 3000+ stable on ambient water on the smaller (unchilled) loop. Core clock speeds since Maxwell forward are capped/throttled based on temperature ranges, and got capped worse from Turing forward. The 4090 Suprim has always been run with a much larger liquid cooling system with the chiller, so I cannot directly compare the two GPU in that scenario. I just haven't been motivated enough to test it on the loop with the 5 gallon reservoir and chiller. And, my office ambient temps are just way too hot to be ideal for regular water cooling, and truly terrible for air cooling. It's 7:30 AM here with the central AC set to 73°F and my office is already almost 80°F. It will be 85°F in my office before the end of the day. And, that is only with my ITX (work) computer running. If I turn on two or all three desktops the ambient temperatures go even higher. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I hardly used it on air. Ordered the water block and switched it as soon as I could. I do remember being impressed with the air cooler's ability to keep it cool. It has never been benched on the chiller so I haven't really done any serious benching with it. Memory overclock on both 4090s is stable at +1700-1800 depending on the task. I use the Galax 1000W vBIOS on both GPUs. I did not have good results with the 666W vBIOS. Both GPUs worked better with the stock vBIOS than they did with the Galax 666W and both work best with the 1000W. For 3000+ on core you need to keep the voltage locked at 1.100V. At least it do. If it drops below 1.100V (the wimpy max) stability gets sketchy. I use Afterburner curve tool to lock it at 1.100V. I think the 4090 Suprim may have a slightly stronger core, but I've not done a good head-to-head comparison on chilled water. The 4090 really needs a core max of 1.200V to shine. The 1.100V limit is pretty wimpy. The OEMs and NVIDA are probably worried about the crappy 12VHPWR sockets melting and castrated the voltage to keep the watts lower. Nope. I don't really care about that. It's the least important measurement to me, and I don't do any single core benchmarks. When I consider the mentality of the people that do care and make a big deal about it, it makes me care about it even less. @Papusan I am working our a deal for a ASUS ROG Rampage IV Gene and 4820K with 32GB (4x8GB) Kingston HyperX 2400MHz quad channel and a Titan GPU. I am doing an even trade for some spare parts I am not using. I should have those parts in another week or two. I will initially install them on the open bench. I think I will use it with the CR360 Dark AIO since that is just sitting on a shelf. After extracting everything the 4820K can muster, I am probably going to grab a 4960X and a Xeon E5-1680 V2 to rack up some extra CPU hardware points. These CPUs are direct cheap on eBay. After I am done racking up some points, I might put everything into the Dark Base Pro 901 case, load it up with mechanical HDDs and stick it under one of my desks to use it as a Windows 7 machine or Linux server. Not sure yet, just an idea. If I do that the Apex Encore and Gigabyte 4090 will move over to the open bench. Since it is HEDT it has 40 PCIe lanes and will support X16 *2 GPU along with NVMe, SATA or NIC add-in cards. I might grab a second Titan or another 2080 Ti for some SLI benching if I can get them cheap enough. I am also thinking about grabbing a cheap 240 radiator to use with the 2080 Ti Waterforce GPU. I already have a spare D5 and reservoir I can connect to it. In a couple of years I expect X299 parts will be just as cheap as these X79 pieces. I still have my X299 CPU delid tool. -
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It was 113°F today. Tomorrow the forecast is 115°F with a nighttime low of 103°F. But, it's a dry heat. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
De-evolving is how they succeed at sucking. When you make people stupid, it is easy to perpetuate lies and make them happy about being lied to. People that have a functioning brain and don't want to drink the Kool-Aid are nay-sayers. The tech space needs more nay-sayers and trouble-makers to stir up righteous levels of hate and discontent. The Goombah Gamers will believe what they are told. It reminds me a lot of this. Watch the clip... at least to 1:18. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
This is why I purchased extra LGA 1700 CPUs that I do not need. I have two sitting on a shelf because, at this point, I am not planning to embrace next generation tech. I absolutely DO NOT care about gaining any energy efficiency unless it gets put to use as extra headroom. I do not support using more E-cores or discarding hyper-threading to use less power. I really only care about performance. If you can produce more performance using less power that's OK as long as you don't leave anything on the table by avoiding using up the power saved. We should always do more with more, not more with less. If new tech can use less power that is only nice if the response is to increase the clock speeds and add more cores and consume the same amount of power as we did before. Consume all of the extra headroom created. Treat power efficient gains in the same as you would lower temps. That is an opportunity to crank it up and use it all, push if further, not be happy about using less. I think maybe I am going to be holding the line and might be purchasing obsolete hardware going forward. TIme will tell. I am not expecting to be impressed. I am expecting disappointment because priorities are getting all jacked up by stupid people with an agenda I do not agree with. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Things will never get better as long as fake experts make lame excuses for trash that the zombie sheeple embrace. Mobile computing is perma-broken and will never get better. It needs a wooden stake driven through its heart. Absolutely hopeless lost cause And yeah... not enough axes... Nice example documenting exactly what I have always said... PC gamers don't need to be performance PC enthusiasts. All gamers need is something better than a console. Which isn't very hard. -
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As you know, I am married to a Viking. One of the most valuable things I have learned from my Viking bride is this... -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
I hope the weather improves on your vacation. Sounds less miserable that last summer's heat without AC though. I think the ILM lottery you refer to was more caused by a variety of third-party vendors producing them with poor quality control, which would not be the fault of Intel. It would be the fault of motherboard manufacturers cutting corners and paying less to get less for the sake of maximizing profits. Not to mention the fact that QC is in the toilet across the board for pretty much everything. Particularly true of products manufactured in China, the trash production capital of the world. The fact that some had problems and others did not pretty much negates the notion that the design itself is flawed and squarely places the blame on the shoulders of companies that produce sloppy crap. I have never experienced the randomness personally because I never use the stock ILM. Everyrhing has bare die or Thermalright CPU frame. I prefer it even if QC was impeccable. Much cleaner design with the frame versus ILM. Also, much better mess control for thermal paste or liquid metal. -
This is his latest masterpiece (released several weeks ago).
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
If you have proof of the return take them to small claims court. You'll easily win and if they don't show up you'll win by default. It will only cost you time. Never buy Lenovo garbage. They are a trashy company that specializes in selling trash. Why did you buy two tablets? You probably could have built or bought an insane high-end monster desktop with the cumulative money you have spent on disposable rubbish portable electronics in the past couple of years. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Every person that files complaints and YouTube crusaders like Louis Rossman and Steve Burke at GN make a difference. Nice to see it finally getting some attention. All the governments of the world need to hold Chinese manufacturers accountable for their scummy behavior. Allowing them to get away with the nonsense makes it easier for them to sell defective trash and get away with it. They're not alone, but it seems like most of the time (excluding crApple) when this right to repair interference surfaces it is with a Chinese manufacturer. They need to also start forcing the issue with making service part specs, part numbers, service manuals and schematics available. One of the few things Dell has done consistently well and better than competitors is publish service manuals and made components available, and offered reasonable warranty service and not tried to void warranties of those that service their own computers. But, they haven't released schematics. -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
@tps3443 same settings as above only 4K. If you choose full screen instead of borderless you may find the benchmark doesn't read performance correctly for some reason. Not even close, but not sure why. (On my systems full screen reflects a single-digit average framerate, 0 FPS min and max about 100 FPS higher than actual, so there is some kind of bug with full screen setting.) -
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Mr. Fox replied to Mr. Fox's topic in Desktop Hardware
Sure, here they are: I have not installed it on my system with the 4K monitor, so 1440p is the highest resolution tested so far.